Author Wants Southern States To Secede Over Gay Rights, Name New Country 'Reagan'

[KamaAina]

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/author-wants-southern-states-secede-over-gay-rights-name-new-country-reagan

While speaking yesterday with Janet Mefferd about his book, “The Secessionist States of America: The Blueprint for Creating a Traditional Values Country…Now,” MacKinnon called for a movement of states, starting with South Carolina, Georgia and Florida, to establish a new country that will adhere to the Religious Right’s political agenda.

Texas, MacKinnon explained, was not included in his secessionist blueprint because “there have been a number of incursions into Texas and other places from some of the folks in Mexico.”

He added that the South had “seceded legally” and “peacefully” during the Civil War, but greedy Northerners like President Lincoln “waged an illegal war that was in fact not declared against the South after the South basically did what we’re talking about in this book now in terms of peacefully, legally and constitutionally leaving the union.”

After lamenting that “for whatever reason the leaders that we’re picking are deciding not to stand firmly for traditional values,” MacKinnon repeated his view that a new country should be formed, and even proposed an “interim name” for the ultraconservative breakaway nation: “Reagan.”

[hifiguy]

1. Wingnuttia.

I think it has been proposed before. NB, this is from Betty Bowers.





Teh stoopid never stops.

[bigwillq]

15. So happy I live in the USLE!

[hifiguy]

17. Me too!

[jwirr]

30. Me to.

[MrScorpio]

22. Same here nt

[drm604]

26. Me to.

[calimary]

55. Same here!

[KansDem]

77. Not me. I'm glad I live in USJ!

One less letter to have to memorize.
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[stage left]

42. I hope the United States of Liberty and Education will be taking refugees.

Because I'll be packing my bags. I vote for Moronika for the new Nation. We can tell them it's French or something.

[KansDem]

79. Hmmm, I wonder how refugees would be accepted.

Like this?


Or like this?


It boggles the mind...

[appalachiablue]

108. Keep it 'Reagan Country' as the author suggests and permanently.

It'll be a good reminder of what an old, RW, California B Movie actor did to the USA. What an enduring legacy for good old DUTCH.

[LiberalElite]

99. Would Canada want to be annexed to us? nt

[appalachiablue]

105. 'Canada will only take you (Americans) if you're rich, healthy & young'

I heard this 3 yrs. ago from a well-known media progressive, confirmed by contacts in Seattle.
No govt. wants dysfuntionals, cruel but probably true at least while this Great Recession continues.

There is an interest among some in Pacific NW and No. CA to join w/ Canada. I don't know how widespread it is. There was and is an idea about forming a region called 'Cascadia' in these areas since the 1800s.

It is inevitable that the US will divide, likely into 2, 3, or 4 states according to some persons.
(We are already in '2 states'- the rich and the poor, with a rapidly diminishing Middle Class).
Separate states/nations is a way to resolve political, cultural and geographic issues obviously.
It would be a huge effort but stranger things have happened.

[JaneyVee]

2. Jesus Christ. Where do they find these people?!

[hifiguy]

7. They are manufactured by the millions

in RWNJ "churches" all across the country. A lower grade of zombie, to be sure.

[Warpy]

62. They're not making southern Good Ole Boys any smarter

than they made them in the Jim Crow south. Bless their hearts.

Most of them got through school playing sports and getting C grades in class they didn't have to show up for and it really is obvious when they grow up and think they know it all. Bless their hearts.

Just like this dumb, ignorant bastard. Bless his heart.

[LiberalElite]

100. Wherever they find them, I do wish they'd lose them again nt

[riqster]

3. No worries. We will just take each and every piece of federally-funded everything back ere they go

Roads, buildings, infrastructure, equipment, telecom, taxes, payrolls, law enforcement, FEMA, and so on.

Let them live as they wish. We'll take in liberal refugees and allow Fundies to enter Reagan for the rest of their lives.

I would call it a win.

[hifiguy]

6. Sounds good to me!

[deutsey]

9. Well, following the economic model of the Reagan era

they'll be free to sell weapons to the Iranians and will likely have quite a lucrative cocaine import, as well.

[riqster]

13. And have a perfect incubator for voodoo economics!

[kentauros]

20. You wouldn't call it a win with me.

Because if I had to leave Texas, I'd insist that I bring my wonderfully hot and humid climate with me

(Yes, I know this idjit said he didn't welcome Texas, but the rest of DU would love to kick us out, too, because working to defeat right-wingers is hard!!!!1!)

[riqster]

21. Ya know, it's been a chilly season in Ohio. Bring the heat. It might help.

[kentauros]

49. I saw a funny version of that "Winter is Coming" meme-image on FB.

Going something like this:

"Winter is coming. No, it's warm. Oh, a bit chilly. Warm again. No, back to cold. Warm."

[riqster]

69. The "Stark" reality?

[ProfessorGAC]

82. But Just Consider. . .

. . .you'd need a passport just to drive to St. Louis, but wouldn't need one to fly there. Kind of interesting.

[LonePirate]

4. Will this traditional values country legalize slavery, rescind women's suffrage ...

and convert everything to a patriarchal, agrarian based society that shuts down on Sundays? If not, then this new country will not be a traditional values country.

[KingCharlemagne]

46. Actually, they probably have to go back to the various injunctions and prescriptions in the

Old Testatment book "Leviticus" (whence origintes much of today's virullent homophobia). Leviticus is some crazy-ass shit.

[happyslug]

50. Shut down on Sunday? What are you expecting Puritanism and their duty to protect the poor?

Sunday closing started with New England and spread elsewhere in the US. Sunday was a day NO ONE WAS TO WORK, thus everyone was guaranteed one day off work to do as he or she pleased. The South rejected that concept for it interfered with their ability to exploit people.

Now, prior to the 1960s most of the US was closed on Sunday, to give EVERYONE the ability to be off work one day a week. Yes, you could NOT go to the Movies, baseball games, or anything the charged a fee, but if it was free you could go. Such free activities were done North of the Mason Dixon line, less so as you headed south.

I am one of those people who SUPPORT Sunday closings, for how else do you GUARANTEE that everyone has at least one day off work? Yes, even in the days of old, you did not have 100% compliance, but you had enough to provide that free time.

Present law does NOT provide that freedom. A lot of people who work the weekends end up working two jobs, thus they often work seven days a week, 4-5 hours a day, but long enough to tie them up so they really have no real free time. Yes, an employer can NOT work someone over 40 hours a week without paying overtime, but employers work around that by employing people 20 hours a week, so the employee has to find another job or two, and often that includes work on Sunday.

Now, I am willing to accept any day of the week asbeing the day people are onm "at rest". When Constantine asked the Ancient Christians if they could move their Sabbath to Sunday, so to be on the same day and the holy day of the Sun Worshippers within the Empire, they agreed for the bible only says to keep one day a week "holy", it does NOT have to be Saturday or Sunday.

On the other hand Sunday is the day most people accept to be a day of "Rest" and thus should be the one pushed.

One way to do this in the modern age is simple, require anyone who works on Sunday be paid Overtime wages no matter how many hours he or she worked that week. Stores will then quickly decide whether the extra cost of staying open is worth it. Gasoline stations are now mostly self service so you do NOT need someone to operate a pump, and for most other items if people can NOT plan ahead one day, do you really want them to go out and buy something? This is especially true of people who want to buy alcohol, do you want people who can NOT plan ahead one day to go out and buy alcohol? Bad enough they can buy it six days a week, but lets see if they can PLAN.

Sorry the older I get the more I think the worse thing to happen to the US is opening of stores on Sunday. Yes, it makes it convenient for us who have money and work Monday through Friday, but what about the people who have to work Saturday and Sunday? How do they interact with their children, given most children are in school Monday through Friday? A few hours here and there is NOT good enough, a whole day would be better and best if BOTH parents can interact with each other AND their children on that one day.

I do not see a need to require Church Attendance, that is at best a minor issue. People interacting with their fellow family members other then as like ships passing in the night. I once told someone who had been in a verbal fight with a family member, at least you two are talking and thus interacting. It may be yelling at each other but it is NOT ignoring each other. Thus the relationship can be saved. On the other hand if interaction is limited any relationship is doomed.

I am sorry, this is one aspect people had right in the "days of olde" i.e. get people to interact by closing everything else down.

As to the argument of "Emergency care" that can be taken care of by paying everyone who works on Sunday Overtime UNLESS they are making more the Median Income (i.e. $50,000 a year). I am more worried about how lower income people interact (and NOT interact because everyone is on a different schedule) then on how upper income people interact. We need to encourage families to stay together and one way is to get them to interact on a regular basis. Closing everything else down on Sunday is the best way to do this given how the modern economy is moving.

The Puritans of New England kept Sunday closing not only for people to go to church but for other activities where people could interact other then as employee and employer. We need to return to that rule, the best way is to require higher wages on Sunday except for the well off.

[tabbycat31]

85. move to Bergen County, NJ

I will say (having used to work at a mall in a neighboring county in NY) that it did not stop people from shopping on Sundays. It just diverted business to neighboring counties (and states). I can tell you that when I showed up for a Sunday shift, more than half the license plates I saw in the parking lot were from NJ. (We could also tell because this county had a higher tax rate and they were not afraid to complain to us about it).

I think the only businesses in Bergen County that are opened on Sundays are gas stations, grocery stores, and drug stores.

[Tsiyu]

92. Ah. The Seventh Day Adventist or Orthodox Jewish involuntary day off

Mandated and legislated.

There's just one problem.

Do we take everyone off ventilators and other life support in the hospitals? Let 'em breathe or die? Once a week we'll have a mass die off so that all the doctors and nurses and other medical care support staff can have that mandated day off? Do people with your opinion ever think this thing through? I'm not being mean. Maybe it just seems obvious to me because I worked in health care. On Sundays.

If you fall down stairs getting ready for church, and break your neck, are you going to refuse to call an ambulance because it's that "special day?"


And will you demand no cops, no firefighters, no pharmacy be available if the kid is sick? Because it's Sunday?

Will nursing homes just tie everybody down? Planes all be grounded?

"Oh, no!" you say. "They would be exempted!" But they need gas for their cars, fast food to eat when they're working overtime and other goods and services available to other workers on their working days.

Law should be made to serve man, not man made to contort to a law. Everyone should have a day off to rest, but legislating a specific day is discriminatory, inefficient and could be dangerous in this day and age.

You can do like some sabbath observers I know. They hire heathen, who are going to hell anyway, to do their Sunday bidding.

I'm sure their god appreciates it.

[happyslug]

94. We have minimum wage workers operating ventilators???? We pay doctors Minimum wage??

I am sorry, my concern is for the people FORCED by their employers to work on a day most people have off. High paid employees do NOT work Sundays, with the exception of SOME Doctors (More nurses work on the weekends then Doctors, for Nurses take care of the patient's day to day needs).

My concern is low income people seeing their family break up do to that fact both spouses end up working two different shifts and thus having little interaction other then brief periods during the day.

In my post I clearly mentioned such a day off could be ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, but we have to permit people to interact and they can NOT interact if the only time their see each other is as one arrives home from work, while the other is leaving for work. That is bad for society and the reason Sunday Closing was done by Church.

There were always exceptions to the rule, but such exception could be handled by my propose rule that Sunday Hours be always over time pay. Thus if a business thinks it can make money by being open Sunday, it pays the extra money to the staff of the store.

By the way HOW WOULD YOU HELP PEOPLE (married or even just living together) BE ABLE TO DO THINGS TOGETHER ON A REGULAR BASIS? Right now such interaction is becoming rarer and rarer, stores being open on Sunday is just part of that problem. People earning less then Median Income tend to be the people who are forced to work those hours no one else wants for to pay to support their children their need their job, but their ability to interact with those children is limited for the Children are out of School only on the weekends, when one or both parents have to work.

The Religious aspects of closing down on Sunday is a minor concern for me. It is the lack of at least one day a week parents and children and interact together as a family unit. Sunday Closing provided even the lowest paid people the ability to spend one at least one day a week with their spouse and their children. We no longer have that for low income people. Middle Income people have that (even most Doctors on most weekends) but should we not at LEAST Try to give such low income people such an opportunity?

[Tsiyu]

97. we have minimum wage workers cleaning hospitals, doing linens,

running the parking deck booth, providing food and other services to people on their way to sunday jobs.

I agree with you that workers should have a day off, which is one of the reasons why unions fought so hard for 40 hour work weeks.

I just think it's silly to imagine choosing one day a week to try to shut everything down. It isn't going to happen. It SHOULDN'T happen.

Raising wages, lowering student debt, making health care affordable, all of these things can also create more family time.

So I agree with you in principle; perhaps I disagree with the application.

Peace and happy family times to you.

[Are_grits_groceries]

5. When I was in college, the KA fraternity

was big into the Confederacy. One of them told me they were going to lead another effort to secede.
I told him Lincoln and Lee were dead and I wouldn't follow any of those drunken mooks anywhere.

[deutsey]

8. I like the name

"Getabrain Morania"

[hifiguy]

10. The Three Stooges beat us all to it

in their anti-Hitler short "You Nazty Spy." Moe played dictator Moe Hailstone.

[deutsey]

11. LOL

Perfect!

[KamaAina]

12. Nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk!

[riqster]

14. Oh, wise guy!

[Mister Nightowl]

16. I hereby volunteer to help them pack

[Iggo]

18. That dude's hilarious.

Gonna sell a few books, too.

[KamaAina]

19. Kind of expensive for a doorstop

don'tcha think?

[brooklynite]

23. Anyone want to guess what the divorce rate is in the "traditional values states"?

[undergroundpanther]

29. zero...

Because it will be legal and biblical that the men get to beat thier wives into submissive servants forced to give birth and use no contraception. Women in wishing for divorce in that conservative hellhole?..oh around 90 %

[jwirr]

32. Divorce will not be a woman's right - men will be the only ones getting a divorce. In fact women

will not have many rights at all.

[JI7]

24. why don't they just move to some place like saudi arabia

[Marr]

25. Seriously-- what is it with the Reagan fetish?

It would be funny if it wasn't so creepy.

[hifiguy]

28. Coming soon

They think he is the only legitimate president of the last hundred years.

[Marr]

31. It's true-- they're about two steps from just running a reliquary with his sacred bones inside it.

The weird thing is that so many of them-- particularly the Tea Partiers-- have become so insanely fringe, that they'd even define Reagan's loony policies as liberal.

[hifiguy]

33. My guess is that about 20-25% of the voting public

would enthusiastically vote for the Nazi agenda if it were sold correctly by the Kochs and their allies. They'd probably have to rename their candidate Hilter, however. (Monty Python reference)

[Art_from_Ark]

98. Well, in the Monty Python sketch,

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"Hilter" didn't amass any followers, just a couple of curious onlookers.

[hifiguy]

109. He didn't have the Kochtopus' billions promoting him.

Just Henry Bimmler, Ron Vibbentrop and that nice Mr. MacGoering from round the corner.

[jmowreader]

35. It's a strange cult of personality

I carry on my tablet a list of Reagan's eleven tax increases. The file has the head "Reagan Tax Hikes" and lists such classics as the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982. I showed it to one of our local Reagan worshippers (they have a club, the Kootenai County Reagan Republicans" - I love the fair board, every year they put the AFL-CIO's booth right in front of the Reagan Republicans') and was told it was a liberal lie I should be ashamed of, because the Great Communicator never raised taxes once.

[KingCharlemagne]

47. That is some seriously scary shit. I despise Reagan and just about everything he stood for, but I

think even he might find tough sledding in today's neo-fascist Konklave.

[Art_from_Ark]

102. He certainly raised the FICA/Social Security tax

And he rang up a national debt that was more than that of all of his predecessors combined (and that was after chiding Carter for having an $80 billion defecit one year).

[jmowreader]

107. You missed the best part about his national debt

Not only did he run up the national debt he did, he scored the biggest rate of increase of any peacetime president.

[Skittles]

51. Reagan made ignorance and greed fashionable

apparently this was VERY much appreciated by the "traditional values" crowd

[calimary]

60. It's disgusting, if you ask me. There's this group calling itself the "reagan Legacy." And its

mission is hellbent on renaming EVERYTHING THAT DOESN'T MOVE after ronald reagan. I think there should be a clean-up squad following after them, and after everything they do, and clean up the mess, take the "reagan" name OFF whatever it is, and return it to its previous name. It's a sickness, I think.

[appalachiablue]

65. Start with reverting to Washington National Airport. It was already named for a president.

You don't want to know what it was like here in DC for 8 years under the Reign of Dutch and Nancy. Then 4 more of Poppy. 12 years of The Occupation before any light. In Jan. '81 the 'Texas Transition Team' arrived early in limo fleets all over town, with full mount minks, jewels, big hair and attitude for the 'naugral. Loud and obnoxious demanding everything and everybody serve them. Could not believe it. Guess we have some survivor genes from the family afterall.

[calimary]

75. Welcome to DU, appalachiablue!

Glad you're here! Well, I don't know how it was in Washington DC, but I do know what it was like all over the Westside of L.A. when reagan came to town on one of his 170-thousand vacations out here. Yet ANOTHER California Vacation...

Sheesh, he had the whole Westside fucked up. Had to go from LAX where Air Force 1 landed, to Santa Monica Airport in Marine 1 (the presidential helicopter), then motorcade to the Century Plaza in Century City where he'd hole up while he was in L.A. if they weren't going to head on up to the Santa Barbara ranch. Streets were closed all over town. The commute was miserable. FREAKIN' MISERABLE - and SO DAMNED OFTEN!!!! He was here again and again and again and again and again and again - seems like it never ended. Like a case of hives that just wouldn't go away and would flare up again once every three weeks.

cheney fucked up the Westside, too, coming to one of the fancy Bel-Air type neighborhoods where big-ass developer Rick Caruso lived. He was evidently a big-time contributor or bundler for bush/cheney, and the dick would come out here to have some fundraising dinner with him or some such. Fucked up traffic all over the Westside - AGAIN.

On occasion, President Obama comes to the Westside and yeah, traffic is all totally messed up again. The commute is paralyzed. Awful. BUT, he's out here so seldom that it's much easier to shrug off. And whenever I hear people at the grocery store or anywhere else grumbling about that damn Obama tying up traffic, I do not hesitate to remind them about how it was when fucking reagan disrupted life here all the time.

[appalachiablue]

93. Greetings! fellow Duer & Reagan Caravan-Entourage Survivor..

Before I forget, I love the KITTY, fascinating! Noticed it last week. I like the J. Lennon moniker too.
Nice to be here at DU, I'm a chat room novice. Yes indeed, we've all lived through a lot over 34 years & the damage continues.
I understand about traffic tie ups in west LA, Bel-Airish area when RR & then Cheney arrived. What a real inconvenient mess for regular folks. (And Obama is called 'Imperial'. Dutch & Nancy esp. took the cake.).

I was in La Jolla once briefly, saw a bit of LA, Santa Monica. No time. A 3 day trip to San Fran. around '95. I have a cousin, longtime LA person now in Pasadena. Friends in Seattle w/ place in San Diego. Must get back West. I've been in DC a long while, came for grad school. Grew up in WV, see from my handle.

Dutch & the many, many, many Santa Barbara ranch vacations, remember that well. His Alzheimer's, hence daily afternoon naps, frequent need for rest etc. during the 2nd admin. esp., is a lot more openly discussed these days. (And I wouldn't wish that on anybody; I read where his father probably had it also. R. took that gun-shot pretty well for his age- 'honey, I forgot to duck' he said borrowing from boxing great Jack Dempsey. Was that a news surprise...).

I never saw R. in person in DC during his reign, but a nice boss of mine from Ill. did, at a historic house near the WH where we worked. She described to us his full face makeup, died hair. Old B-actor! And the brown suits...geeze.

Going into my bank in '99 in No.VA., I passed Cheney coming out. Unreal. A few occasional political sightings in DC. Geo. McGovern, walked past him on Penn. Ave., leaving work at the National Archives. POPPY Bush in a DC drugstore once, calmly looking at shelves of men's shaving products. Very tall & slim.
I have some more, but will save for another conversation hopefully.

Maybe we should start a REAGAN SUPPORT GROUP. Even advocate for awareness & treatment for PTRSD! It's needed & might be THE ONLY THING TO UNITE DEMS these days! Think I'll contact the DNC about it tomorrow. Why hasn't something been implemented for this widespread disorder?! Many are seriously affected. The venting & remembering is painful, but healthy for recovery! Take care & keep the faith.

[ProfessorGAC]

83. Um The Aircraft Carrier Moves, calimary

So, it's not just stuff that doesn't move. It's EVERYTHING!

[calimary]

89. Yeah, no kidding. That's exactly what they'd like. Rename frickin' EVERYTHING after reagan.

They do already have that repulsive label picked out as an "interim" name for the new country that would carve out the southern states and secede from the union. Wonder how long it'll take them to propose renaming Planet Earth after reagan, too?

[Tom Ripley]

88. Daddy issues most likely

[LondonReign2]

27. But remember, you aren't allowed to say anything

unpleasant about the South.

[Jamastiene]

37. Bullshit.

Call assholes in the south assholes, but realize there are gay people down here who would have our lives taken away by those assholes. Don't lump us in with them. It's not "the south." It is certain people in the south. It's lumping those of us who are NOT like them in with them that I have a problem with. Bash away at assholes like that. I'll join you, but don't assume that just because I'm from the south, I agree with assholes who'd make laws to have me killed, ffs. You are aware there are lots of gay people in the south, aren't you?

[LondonReign2]

38. That's true

there are lots of good Dems in the south. I happen to live in southern state myself.

The problem is a majority of our neighbors are insane and keep electing complete assholes to office.

[Jamastiene]

39. Tell me about it.

Trying to educate them is like talking to a brick wall. They insist on being willfully stupid. It is not that they cannot learn the truth. They refuse to learn.

[cordelia]

68. Yep, and another post from you that resonates.

Another thing that concerns me is that there may just be potential Democratic voters in the South looking for information. They see the outright hatred for Southerners posted by some on this site, and they lose their votes. The number may be infinitesimal, I don't know. We don't know.

[Art_from_Ark]

103. I agree

The South-bashing is quite annoying and it helped to drive my mother away from this site (I had recommended it to her, but she gave up after all the South- (and Christian-) bashing).

[LondonReign2]

72. Yup

They are absolutely impervious to facts. Anything information, no matter how verifiable true it is, is simply ignored by these cretins.

[yardwork]

43. As always, I concur, and thank you for saying it.

[walkingman]

59. Thank You

As a Texan I am disgusted that my homeland has turned into the land the right-wing wackos. There are a lot of people that are working hard to take this state back from the corporations and Jesus freaks.

[MFrohike]

48. Nah

The only real issue is when somebody decides to start a thread saying the south should secede, or stay seceded, or whatever. It's always a hypocritical gripe fest by people who can't see their own segregated neighborhoods, their own masses of wingnuts (hint: look in the country), or the mass economic exploitation in their own backyards. The south ain't perfect, but that type of thread always comes off as the pot calling the kettle black.

[Hosnon]

61. Oh give me a break

This is one person. ONE PERSON.

Your bigotry and ignorance are ridiculous. And may I remind you that Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, Bush, Romney, and, yes, REAGAN, are/were not Southerners (and there are many more).

[cordelia]

86. Exactly! This was proposed by ONE PERSON. But you know around here

people look for ANY reason to bash the South.

[johnnyreb]

34. You go on and git yo'self out there and secede, MacKinnon.

Go on, now! I'll be pleased as punch to move to a free state if you kin git most the rednecks to come down hyeah.

[Jamastiene]

36. I want to defect. I want to state that clearly as soon as possible.

I need rescuing, because I know those types of assholes. They won't be paying for gays in the south to move north and west. They'll kill us, slowly and painfully, and/or preach us into submission. I'm not going through the preaching shit and being held down by 2 women while a man rapes me in the name of God again. Fuck that shit.

[yardwork]

44. I'm terribly sorry that that happened to you.

[jmowreader]

40. Actually, I think they should if they want

There are conditions they must meet, though.

First condition: They must pay for the relocation of all US Government-owned properties that can be moved. You know all those huge Army bases down there like Fort Bragg? They have to build equivalent facilities outside of Jesusland at their own expense.

Second condition: A circle of land with 50 miles radius centered on Cape Canaveral, FL, will not be ceded to this new country because Cape Canaveral (on edit: the rocketry center, not just the little hunk of land) has to be where it is.

Third condition: They must pay for the relocation of any individual or business that does not want to be located in Reagan - and the "relocation expense" will include furnishing the requester with a home or business facilities equivalent to those being vacated. This means, you fools, that if Boeing only wants to make planes in America the Reagan government has to build a new airplane factory in America at their complete expense. And they must agree to pay this fee at any time - if someone decides they've had it five years after the country breaks away, they still have to fund the move.

Fourth condition: As Reagan is not a signatory to NAFTA its exports to America will be subject to tariff. And no, we won't let them join.

Fifth condition: The import duty on any product containing any percentage of Reagan-grown tobacco will be set to 100 percent of the price of the product in the most expensive convenience store in Atlanta, GA, and we can increase it if that doesn't reduce smoking by the expected amount.

Sixth condition: Reagan will not be eligible for foreign aid.

Seventh condition: They must buy the Tennessee Valley Authority at full fair market value.

Eighth condition: We won't take y'all back when you figure out your region can't survive without the Yankees propping it up.

[liberalhistorian]

45. We should send you

as a negotiator when they do actually get ready to do this! And there is, frankly, a large part of me that wishes that they would, indeed, so do.

There's even a part of me that wishes we'd let them go the first damned time they tried it, 150 years ago. The only problem with that is that it would have meant a continuation of slavery, with even worse conditions and no way for the north to do anything about them, for decades or more longer. And that would not have been acceptable.

[hifiguy]

78. I like this.

[Mariana]

41. He wants to name it after a known adulterer and philanderer?

And the guy that brought us the first no-fault divorce law, and who legalized abortion in California?

People like MacKinnon are just too ridiculous for words.

[Ikonoklast]

80. And signed some of the most restrictive gun laws as governor and president.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

52. Welcome to Dumbfuckistan.

[Kalidurga]

53. Satire is supposed to be funny.

[Segami]

54. LOL!

Might as well name it Al Capone...........

[happyslug]

56. Good I always wanted to be a "Copperhead"

I always liked the name, Copperhead, it implies something that is icky AND deadly but on the surface looks small and harmless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperhead_(politics)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agkistrodon_contortrix

Copperheads was the name given to NORTHERN DEMOCRATS who advocated against fighting the Civil War, they basically said, if the South wants to leave the union leave them and good riddance.

[noiretextatique]

57. please, please, please: leave and take all the wingnuts with you

they would hate their so-called paradise, so we would have to guard out borders vigorously.

[on point]

58. Since these states are net 'takers' from the federal budget, they will go bankrupt overnight

[RKP5637]

63. Fucken Idiot! n/t

[Rex]

64. Has anyone informed him gay people live in the South?

This has to be a joke right? Sometimes I have a hard time detecting satire. Texas has incursions? The Civil War was peaceful?

[scarletlib]

66. Better make that just North Florida

South Florida from at least Palm Beach County on down is really totally different from the northern part of the state. I for one would not want to be part of any southern secessionist country.

[Vinca]

67. I swear I'm going to change my name, write a batsh*t crazy book,

sell it to the right by the millions and then give the cash to liberal causes. You can sell anything to these people. Jesus candles anyone? http://www.hisessence.com/

[KinMd]

70. Reagan wouldn't have lived in Reagan

...he loved big blue California

[appalachiablue]

95. True. What irony.

[MineralMan]

71. Nutcase Reactionary Assholes, Each and Every One!

[Fawke Em]

73. As a Southerner (who is constantly maligned in this forum)

I say, "Um. No."

[cordelia]

87. As another Southerner (who is constantly maligned in this forum)

This MacKinnon person can go fuck himself.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

74. He wants Georgia and Carolina to form a union?

I thought they were against that sort of thing.

[Crunchy Frog]

76. I'd be fine with that.

Texas could become its own country, and we accept any refugees who didn't want to live in wingnut land.

Might be the best solution to this country's problems.

[HereSince1628]

81. does he know that country would ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE dikes

and other flood control to deal with rising sea level?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

84. Fuck off MacKinnon. and now placing this thread in the trash where it belongs.

You all have fun bashing the south.

[WI_DEM]

90. The Confederate States of Reagan.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

91. "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum." James Petigru

James Louis Petigru (May 10, 1789-March 9, 1863) was a lawyer, politician, and jurist in South Carolina. He is best known for his service as the state's Attorney General, his juridical work that played a key role in the recodification of the state's law code, and his opposition to nullification and, in 1860, state secession.

[Wella]

96. Some marginal people wanted to do this after Civil Rights too. Nothing happened.

It's a lot of hot air.

[PatrickforO]

101. Huh???

[Phlem]

104. please just do it already.

[Initech]

106. I'd like to tell them where they can shove their "traditional values"...

But in the interest of good taste, I won't.