Michael Brown Autopsy Report Leaked. Here It Is.

[eridani]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/22/1338289/-Michael-Brown-Autopsy-Report-Leaked-Here-It-Is


The deceased body sustained multiple gunshot wounds, three (3) to the head...

It was reported that the deceased's mother was on the scene...

Detective HOKAMP... provided the following preliminary investigative details...

During the struggle the Officer's weapon was un-holstered. The weapon discharged during the struggle.

The deceased then ran down the roadway. Officer Wilson then began to chase the deceased. The deceased turned around and ran towards Officer Wilson. Officer Wilson had his service weapon drawn, as the deceased began to run toward him he discharged his service weapon several times...

[TransitJohn]

1. That doesn't really sound like an autopsy report

It sounds like the report of a police investigation.

[Ms. Toad]

2. They are both there. n/t

[TransitJohn]

3. How was I supposed to know that?

OP stated autopsy and quoted something else. A little explication in a post goes a long way.

[Ms. Toad]

4. Click the link? n/t

[TransitJohn]

5. Of course you would say that.

Maybe the OP should expend a little effort to be coherent.

[Nitram]

6. Gee, John, no need to be so irritable.

Why not just check out the link before jumping to conclusions?

[TransitJohn]

7. God forbid!

Heavens to Betsy!

[Oktober]

9. It's not really either...

It appears to be the statement of the initial medical coroner and how he came to be on the scene, his initial impressions and the circumstances under which he was told that the event occurred.

[Ms. Toad]

13. Since people seem to be click challenged today . . .

The links at the bottom of the article the OP linked to:

Autopsy report

The entire report.

[Oktober]

20. Click challenged doesn't really mean...

... clicking to your site, finding the link on there and going to another site...

Relax...

[Ms. Toad]

43. Is clicking, skimming, and then clicking to the underlying material really that challenging? n/t

[Rex]

8. Just like the cops wanted it to, the narrative plays out exactly the way Wilson said.

Then again, some of us knew Brown would never get a fair day in court.

[snooper2]

11. so the medical examiners and FBI are in on it?

[Rex]

12. Why would they have to be in on it?

What do you know that nobody else does?

[snooper2]

14. Well, I actually read the entire report, no gunshot wounds in the back-

two were in to the head in a downward postion, IE you stand in front of someone, put your head down, and get shot. One shot entered at the scalp line went through his face and out his jaw.

Initial "reports" said he was shot while running away, remember- Guess we will have to wait for the Grand Jury who looked at all the evidence.

[Rex]

15. The report kept saying homicide, I guess that is why Wilson fled like a coward.

Dunno, but the prosecutor will make sure the Grand Jury does not go after Wilson. IMO.

[snooper2]

18. I noticed that but figured it was just how medical examiners write to be accurate

technically, yes, it was homicide. One human killed another human-

Now, for the cop was it a justifiable homicide is the question for the Grand Jury-

[Rex]

19. Maybe.

If Wilson wasn't guilty of unjustifiable homicide, then he should have never fled like a criminal. Stupid move on his part imo.

[Oktober]

22. If he fled within the boundaries of law...

... which it seems that he did, then what was criminal about it?

IOW, he was under no restrictions legally and we haven't heard any claims that investigators were searching for and unable to find him.

[Rex]

41. So you don't know what he did right after killing Brown?

Interesting to say the least. He murdered someone and the PD helped him flee the crime scene. Sad that you don't even know that.

[Oktober]

42. Aside from anything pertaining to law...

... or the justice system...

You nailed it...

[Lee-Lee]

25. Fled? What did I miss?

He has stayed away because of multiple threats on his life, but he hasn't "fled". He obviously was around and available to testify in front of the Grand Jury when summoned.

[KingCharlemagne]

31. You're deliberately misstating what Dorian Johnson actually said, so much so that it

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has to make one question your bona fides.

Mr. Johnson reported that Mike Brown was shot at while running away and seized up "like he had been shot in the back." From that, one may infer that Wilson was firing at MB as the latter fled, but Wilson's shots missed. Other eyewitnesses concur that Wilson was firing at MB as he ran away. It may have appeared to some of those witnesses that MB was hit in the back. But those witnesses are not forensic examiners.

Your attempts to impeach the consistent accounts of multiple eyewitnesses on grounds that they never even claimed are contemptibly laughable.

Are you disputing that MB attempted to flee Wilson's vehicle after two gunshots were discharged inside the vehicle?

Are you a cop?

[Rex]

40. It's sad watching people pretend to be ignorant of the circumstances.

Even sadder to watch them pretend to be cops in RL. I have a feeling nothing could be further from the truth.

[Savannahmann]

21. Let me ask you this.

If I may. Just to make sure I have the story straight. A fight ensued in the car, and the weapon discharged. Supposedly blood in the car proves this. Fine. I've never really disputed that, but whatever. Then Michael Brown ran. This I can totally understand, because it is normal fight/flight response. It's totally human, and I would believe that anyone could or would do exactly the same thing. I could even believe that someone stayed and continued to fight through the window, attempting to win or whatever.

But here is where I have a problem. The idea that he ran away, and then after Darren Wilson fired again, turned and charged to attack. That makes no sense. No sense what so freaking ever. It makes far more sense that Michael Brown was surrendering, turning to surrender in other words. The shots in the face/head. I find it easier to believe that happened while he was going down after getting shot elsewhere, than I do with the idea that he was lowering his head to try and tackle Darren Wilson.

I just don't believe that anyone who intended to attack the cop would run away, and then turn and run back towards. Why surrender all the advantage you had by running away? In that scenario, Michael had his hands on the cop. He was in close physical proximity. Then he threw the advantage away, by opening up the distance in an effort to escape. Then knowing that the cop has already shot him, and knowing that he will shoot again, turn and attack?

I can even believe that Michael was leaning that way, as his body weight shifted to allow him to come to a stop. But to come to a stop, reverse, and then charge? Nope, I've searched the dictionary, and I can't find a word to properly describe how unlikely that is.

Absent the presence of some seriously mind altering drugs, or a history of serious mental health issues, I'm not buying it. I'm just not. Nobody with a modicum of sense, with any experience with violence does that. In the modern world, I consider it very unlikely that Michael would grow to graduate high school anywhere near St. Louis and never had been in a fight or exposed to any violence.

Perhaps you have a different take, or perhaps there is some history of mental illness that I've never heard of. Because frankly, you get more rational behavior out of people who have been hit in the head with a shovel than we're expected to believe Michael Brown displayed.

I would have a hard time believing that this scenario is the one that played out. I would have more than enough reasonable doubt to reject it, wouldn't you?

[Oktober]

23. I would suggest...

... that once the blood is up and conflict has begun then most people's logic and reasoning go straight out the window.

Unless you have experience or an extremely cool head, most people, especially most young men go straight down into the fight or flight the moment the first blow is thrown.

IOW, you are looking at it from an outsider's view and not the view of the person who was in the fight.

[Savannahmann]

44. I find it nearly impossible to believe that Michael Brown turned and charged.

Why did he run when the gun was fired? Fear. Fear, and the desire to escape. Blood splatter according to the reports shows he was shot in the car, probably in the arm. Even with adrenalin, he would know he had been shot. So he ran. Totally consistent with the emotional fight/flight response.

Next gunshots. He surrendered, turning to see the danger and see that it was abated. Again, totally consistent with fear.

Michael Brown grew up in a disadvantaged area, one with a fairly high crime rate. St. Louis and the surrounding areas are not known as bastions of genteel society. Nobody gets to 18 years old in the hood without knowing about violence first hand. Nobody who grew up in the hood is and who has survived long enough to reach 18 is dumb enough to charge at a man pointing a gun at them.

I know, I grew up surrounded by neighborhoods like that. When gunshots go off, people scatter, or they freeze in fear, or they surrender, or they shoot back. They don't run, stop, turn, and attack. Anyone that dumb wouldn't live to reach 18.

Ferguson's crime stats. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Ferguson-Missouri.html

I'm not saying that Ferguson is like the town I grew up in. I'm not saying that it is anything like the Barrio that was just across the main street from my neighborhood. But there is always violence in the cities, and the kids grow up understanding it far more than you can imagine. Michael was a survivor, he'd survived until the age of 18, which in most cities is no small feat. He knew about guns. He had heard them growing up. Nobody who grew up in that environment would be stupid enough to run, turn, and then attack.

My experience with violence, and the rationality/irrationality is a little different. When I first moved into the neighborhood in California, I was known as Gringo. After a couple years, it became Blanco. I learned to speak half assed spanish in self defense, to know when someone was after me. A persons actions are always logical, to them. You have to learn to see it from their point of view. You have to learn to understand what they are doing, and why. No one from any halfway rough neighborhood does what the police assert Michael did. They just don't do it. By the time you've reached 18 you already know to duck when someone is shooting. Your head is on a swivel, looking for danger. You strut and pose because you know if you look tough enough, then someone may not attack you. If your knee hurts, you don't let it show, because if you do you are showing weakness, and you are showing that you can be a victim.

Darren Wilson did not have to fire his weapon when Michael turned around. He had more than thirty feet of distance. He had a second to see what was happening. He had a second to evaluate the situation. Instead he started shooting and did not stop until Michael had been hit in the head twice. There was no assessment of the situation after any of the shots, he just kept firing even when one of the bullets had already ended the victims life.

Darren Wilson was going for revenge, how dare this child attack me? I'm a cop, and you don't disrespect me. That is the only answer that makes any sense, and that is why the people of Ferguson are outraged. It was one more death, one too many in a long line of needless deaths. The citizens of Ferguson know all of this, but they have a hard time explaining it. But to those who have lived it, they know bullshit when they hear it. Because Michael Wilson would have died long before 18 if he was dumb enough to do what is suggested. You can't get away with it, you can't pull the trick off. Not from thirty plus feet away. Five or six feet, I might believe, but not thirty plus.

[Oktober]

45. You are projecting...

[Savannahmann]

46. I am analyzing.

Or perhaps if you prefer, utilizing deduction.

However, when one considers the quality of local law enforcement, and the predilection they have of modifying the story as they go. One is left the the impression that there is something we are not hearing about going on.

We know that they try to plant evidence and threaten people with false arrest in St. Louis.

We know that the police in St. Louis beat people in handcuffs.

We know the Ferguson police beat a man and then charged him with bleeding on their uniforms.

So we have enough there to be somewhat suspicious. Then we examine the story from the police regarding the death of Michael Brown, and even without those suspicions, we find that the probability of the events happening as described is pretty damned low.

[Oktober]

47. You have a... unique... interpretation of the word analyze...

[Savannahmann]

48. Then tell me where I'm wrong.

Tell me which of my conclusions are unsupportable. Tell me why.

[Lee-Lee]

24. When adrenaline is pumping people make choices that seem illogical

I have seen people turn what would have been a misdemeanor shoplifting charge with no jail time into a series of felony charges because they made the choice to flee, then assault the arresting officer when an arrest was attempted.

I have seen people turn what would have been just a reckless driving charge into vehicular homicide- get caught racing on a motorcycle, flee with a passenger on the back who gets killed in the wreck.

Police officers have been shot when pulling a person over for minor traffic violations.

None of their choices are logical, wise or reasonable- but they happened. That pattern repeats itself all the time.

People do stupid crap in encounters with the police all the time.

Based upon the video from the convenience store he was exactly making sound and wise decisions prior to the shooting either. And fighting with an officer for his gun- not too wise.

[Savannahmann]

32. My first experience was in 1988

There as a rent a cop, I was taking a class to get the permit for the Baton. This would allow me to own, and carry one at work. The Police Officer teaching the course told us that if we ever used the club, we should lie to the witnesses and tell them the individual we had beaten was a Child Molester. He told us that this made it easier to get the conviction later, as it turned potentially hostile witnesses into more favorable when they told their story to the Jury.

Since that time, I have become far more acquainted with the "Routine Lies" told by law enforcement.

There are tens of thousands of stories out there backed up by video about cops lying under oath, and lying on their reports.

http://khon2.com/2014/09/15/maryland-police-officer-punches-man-charges-him-with-assault/

All of those officers, and all of their reports all said the same thing. Now, how did they manage to get the reports to agree? Was it co-ordinated after the fact? Did the offending officer, the one who punched the man with no reason. Did that officer suspect that anyone in uniform watching would report the truth? Or did the officer have good reason to believe that the culture of the routine lie would back him up?

Even officers in other departments regularly lie to protect their brothers in blue. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-15/news/ct-police-testimony-lies-met-20140415_1_police-officers-five-officers-chicago-police

One by one, five police officers took the witness stand at the Skokie courthouse late last month for what would typically be a routine hearing on whether evidence in a drug case was properly obtained.

But in a "Perry Mason" moment rarely seen inside an actual courtroom, the inquiry took a surprising turn when the suspect's lawyer played a police video that contradicted the sworn testimony of the five officers — three from Chicago and two from Glenview, a furious judge found.

Without the videos that are now coming from every direction, the police would still be getting away with it over and over again. This man was lucky to survive, the police were telling the routine lie for the video so they could get away with killing the man, which would have been murder. Without this one tape, an innocent man would be dead, or in prison because of those cops. All of whom participate in the routine lie technique. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/police-dash-cam-video-exonerates-nj-man-implicates-cops-article-1.1701763

Police owe more to Hollywood than the armed forces. John Wayne made the military cool, a place for real men to go. Bruce Willis, Stallone, and how many others have made Cops the greatest people in the world regularly taking down huge criminal organizations in the minds of a dwindling majority of the public. Stories like the ones I've linked to, a fraction of a fraction of a single percent of what is out there I might add, are bringing the truth to light, and exposing the routine lie.

And they don't just lie about important things, like felony arrests. They lie about traffic tickets regularly.

http://www.wsvn.com/story/23070302/ticket-talk

When police do commit crimes, the brotherhood comes riding to the rescue as much as possible, and the sentence is always far lighter than if a mere civilian had done the terrible deeds. If a police officer rapes a woman who was pulled over, well she shouldn't have committed the traffic offense in the first place. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/23/oklahoma-police-rape_n_5870752.html

My experience in the matter is one that is more than two decades. My experience in the matter is that the last people who would be trustworthy, would be the police. Their stories require a suspension of disbelief that is beyond ridiculous. The brutality is beyond systematic to ingrained. The abuse of the use of force is insulting, and beyond description.

We know the police are using excessive force. How do we know it? http://www.policefoundation.org/content/body-worn-cameras-police-use-force

Because when cameras are used the use of force drops dramatically. So it's not the suspects who are acting illogically and irrationally. It's the police, so long as they can get away with it.

Police Foundation Executive Fellow, Chief Tony Farrar, recently completed an extensive yearlong study to evaluate the effect of body-worn video cameras on police use-of-force. This randomized controlled trail represents the first experimental evaluation of body-worn video cameras used in police patrol practices. Cameras were deployed to all patrol officers in the Rialto (CA) Police Department. Every police patrol shift during the 12-month period was assigned to experimental or control conditions.
Wearing cameras was associated with dramatic reductions in use-of-force and complaints against officers. The authors conclude:
"The findings suggest more than a 50% reduction in the total number of incidents of use-of-force compared to control-conditions, and nearly ten times more citizens’ complaints in the 12-months prior to the experiment."

It might not make any sense to those who worship at the feet of law enforcement. But the truth is right there to be seen. Half of the incidents of the use of force by police, is unjustified. Half.

[justiceischeap]

34. Where this falls apart for me (as an outsider looking in)

Brown had already been shot in the SUV and decides it would be a good time to run from being shot at. Most would consider this a normal fight/flight response. Most would agree his adrenaline is really pumping after being shot, which is when he makes the decision to run.

Then we're supposed to believe that although he made what seemed like a fairly logical decision AFTER being shot, that in the middle of his fleeing for his life he suddenly gets stupid from the adrenaline and police confrontation and decides to charge the man actively firing a gun at him? Was he so high on MJ that he had no sense of self-preservation?

Let's not forget that it is very likely that the eyewitness accounts of Wilson firing at Brown's back are accurate because of the bullet that ended up in a woman's house and not in Brown's back. Plainly, Wilson missed.

This case is stinky and the "evidence" so far is all one-sided in favor of Wilson although an eyewitness completely contradicts the story being told by a police force already caught in multiple lies.

[spanone]

10. who is leaking this shit?

without context this is purely trying to influence the outcome

[Rex]

16. Ferguson PD.

Imagine that.

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. The Ferguson PD, St Louis County PD and Prosecutor are all acting on behalf of Darren Wilson

All the little racist assholes getting a kick out of this sham will gloat over yet another dead black teenager murdered with impunity, but this shit is gonna come back one way or another.

Keep that boiling pot on the fire, you racist shitheads. Time's gon come.

[AtomicKitten]

26. If it weren't for those pesky eye-witnesses ...

that contradict the propaganda leaked by the Ferguson PD. This not just going to blow over.

[nc4bo]

27. But we all know that in this country, the majority of the time, the po-po is right.

Something's gotta change, something's gotta give.

Anger burns hot.

[AtomicKitten]

33. I hope the Justice Dept is breathing down their necks.

This is NOT going to blow over.

[spanone]

28. three shots to the head of an unarmed person.... murder.

[Oktober]

29. In some cases... certainly...

... but being unarmed does not automatically qualify it as such.

[spanone]

35. in this case. murder.

[Recursion]

30. None of that sounds like an autopsy

Autopsies say where bullets A and B entered the decedent's body.

[snooper2]

36. a lot of people in this thread are having clicky link issues LOL

did you click the link? Read? A link to the full report is there-

[Recursion]

37. I did click, and got a series of tweets from... somebody?

Did I do something wrong there?

[snooper2]

38. See post 13 up above

[Recursion]

39. Umm... that's an autopsy that more or less confirms Wilson's story

Brown's arm was outstretched towards Wilson when shots were fired. That is what that says, yes?