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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 05:27 PM Oct 2014

WA high school shooter was the freshman Homecoming King.

So probably not an outcast, just some angry kid with a gun.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/24/us/washington-school-shooting/

The gunman who opened fire Friday at Washington state's Marysville-Pilchuck High School has been identified as freshman Jaylen Fryberg, fellow students, including eyewitnesses, told CNN.

Fryberg was announced as the high school's freshman homecoming king on October 17, according to YouTube video of the ceremony and accounts from students to CNN.

Fryberg's multiple social media accounts depict him frequently hunting, and using rifles. His social media accounts say he was a Native American and a member of the Tulalip tribe.

[Breaking news update, posted at 4:23 p.m. ET]

A student at Washington state's Marysville-Pilchuck High School walked into the school's cafeteria, went up to a table with students, "came up from behind ... and fired about six bullets into the backs of them," witness Jordan Luton told CNN. "They were his friends, so it wasn't just random," Luton said.

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WA high school shooter was the freshman Homecoming King. (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2014 OP
Apparently he was suspended from the football team malaise Oct 2014 #1
He shot several kids, including a girl, not just one. pnwmom Oct 2014 #4
Yes he shot five people malaise Oct 2014 #26
And the victims were all his friends, and two were his cousins. nt tblue37 Oct 2014 #77
"I have no idea what his motive was because yesterday at football practice, he was all fine, talking jtuck004 Oct 2014 #23
Dads need to rethink introducing their kids into the gun culture. Hoyt Oct 2014 #2
It's a wider issue Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #8
Good point. Hoyt Oct 2014 #9
Teaching conflict resolution in school (and at home), frazzled Oct 2014 #10
What if Janey wants to make Tommy YarnAddict Oct 2014 #63
I disagree woolldog Oct 2014 #67
"Janey, when Tommy tries to take your toy away and it makes you angry, betsuni Oct 2014 #72
No wonder society is in such a mess frazzled Oct 2014 #73
ya. hoping they are not the parent, lol. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #75
Your comment makes me feel sad and hurt. betsuni Oct 2014 #76
It's hardly ingrained.... Oktober Oct 2014 #49
I owned guns when in high school... Adrahil Oct 2014 #64
Why? former9thward Oct 2014 #12
Unfortunately, some gunz manufactured to meet your questionable needs end up with folks like this. Hoyt Oct 2014 #14
I doubt they did. former9thward Oct 2014 #15
Gunners keep manufacturers in business, not to mention NRA that promotes gunz and other right wing Hoyt Oct 2014 #16
What other RW causes does the NRA promote? GGJohn Oct 2014 #71
Are you naive enogh think when Grover Norquist, John Bolton, or T Nugent lobbies under guise of NRA, Hoyt Oct 2014 #78
Again I ask, what other RW causes is the GGJohn Oct 2014 #80
I told you. Quit fondling your gunz for awhile and wise up. Here are a few links to keep you busy. Hoyt Oct 2014 #81
None, and I stress, NONE of those links GGJohn Oct 2014 #82
And you like things just the way they are.... daleanime Oct 2014 #24
A very open ended question. former9thward Oct 2014 #28
Your going to duck anyways...... daleanime Oct 2014 #30
Unlike those who seek to take away rights former9thward Oct 2014 #33
aw yes you do Skittles Oct 2014 #34
Thanks Skittles.... daleanime Oct 2014 #56
who do they think they are kidding? Skittles Oct 2014 #68
Yes, yes, better to continue the blood shed.... daleanime Oct 2014 #38
Emotional appeal, devoid of facts. former9thward Oct 2014 #47
Honest responds to the violent death of kids... daleanime Oct 2014 #55
Ended a lot of animals' lives, I'm sure phil89 Oct 2014 #87
Well, I certainly have ended alot of game animals lives over my lifetime, GGJohn Oct 2014 #90
Well I guess my kids have been introduced to the gun culture... NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #46
Actually, I don't have an issue with folks with a gun or two AT HOME. Toters Hoyt Oct 2014 #48
Because it raises the risk of tragedy when you hand a gun over to a hormonal teenager. pnwmom Oct 2014 #20
Analogy fail. former9thward Oct 2014 #27
Teens who own guns are far more likely to kill or injure someone with a guns pnwmom Oct 2014 #29
Teens with cars are far more likely to kill others former9thward Oct 2014 #31
Teens get licensed by the state to drive after taking driving tests, and can't drive without pnwmom Oct 2014 #35
A car license does not stop you from killing people. former9thward Oct 2014 #36
It increases the chances you'll be a competent driver. Everyone should get licensed pnwmom Oct 2014 #37
Dads have been introducing kids to hunting for generations NickB79 Oct 2014 #83
Yeah, but the urban and rural right wing racist and militia types have increased dramatically. Hoyt Oct 2014 #84
I go to firearms shows almost every weekend, GGJohn Oct 2014 #85
Next time you go, take a photo. Would love to see what you call diversity. Hoyt Oct 2014 #86
Number 1, I have nothing to prove to the likes of you, GGJohn Oct 2014 #88
Yet the shooter here was a Native American NickB79 Oct 2014 #89
Female student dead. bravenak Oct 2014 #3
One eyewitness said the girl who was shot wouldn't go out with him. Brickbat Oct 2014 #5
I wonder why. pnwmom Oct 2014 #6
Rape culture is an ugly thing. Brickbat Oct 2014 #13
yes it was over a girl. they found a posting of his misterhighwasted Oct 2014 #7
According to what I read, they dated for a while and then broke up. nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #11
With friends like this azmom Oct 2014 #17
Prince, not King Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #18
Two links about this. In first, he was rebuffed by a girl who didn't want to date him: freshwest Oct 2014 #19
Thanks, freshwest. What is not a mystery is that someone made the mistake pnwmom Oct 2014 #21
It's legal, AFAIK in WA. and he was into hunting. Although... he didn't use the rifle at the school? freshwest Oct 2014 #22
Yeah, it's legal. Iggo Oct 2014 #65
I saw posts from his page cwydro Oct 2014 #39
I didn't see those. There may have been some further in that gallery, but my computer wouldn't show. freshwest Oct 2014 #40
Thank heavens his immature prefrontal cortex had access to a firearm! valerief Oct 2014 #25
Good point LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #32
Oh heavens to betsy! Oktober Oct 2014 #51
So not giving a child access to guns is the same as keeping the child in a locked box? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #53
That is a... unique... way to interpret that Oktober Oct 2014 #54
Guns are a common denominator mythology Oct 2014 #57
It's not really an insult but an observation. Oktober Oct 2014 #62
Sure, we *could* lock kids in boxes LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #69
Uncounted things could keep it from happening... Oktober Oct 2014 #70
Reductio ad absurdum LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #79
It sure is mighty convenient... Oktober Oct 2014 #91
Reading his Twitter account makes one wonder about what makes the young ones popular AuntPatsy Oct 2014 #41
Yesterday I pissed off some gun loverz here on DU by saying the gun culture in this country was Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #42
Good for you! Kath1 Oct 2014 #44
+1 Hoyt Oct 2014 #50
It's gunz hack89 Oct 2014 #66
+++++ totally agree marions ghost Oct 2014 #74
I read the book "Columbine" by Dave Cullen. Kath1 Oct 2014 #43
That's not what the song says... Tom Ripley Oct 2014 #45
You beat me to it, Tom! randome Oct 2014 #60
They were calling him a Homecoming PRINCE on the nightly news....so I guess a 2nd tier winner?? nt MADem Oct 2014 #52
Could be that only the senior class has the honor of king and queen MissB Oct 2014 #58
My knowledge of that cultural aspect of American coming-of-age is pretty much limited to MADem Oct 2014 #61
Reminds me of a song, in a gallows humor sort of way. randome Oct 2014 #59

malaise

(268,966 posts)
1. Apparently he was suspended from the football team
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 05:29 PM
Oct 2014

after a fight. I also heard that the fight started after someone used a racist slur about him.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
4. He shot several kids, including a girl, not just one.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 05:40 PM
Oct 2014

Maybe there was someone who used a slur against him but that obviously doesn't justify what he did.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
23. "I have no idea what his motive was because yesterday at football practice, he was all fine, talking
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:04 PM
Oct 2014

.... having a good time," he said. "And then today, just horrible. I don't know what went through his head or what caused him to do it."

By all accounts, Fryberg was a popular student. Just two weeks earlier, he had been named as the high school's freshman homecoming prince, according to a YouTube video of the ceremony and accounts provided by students to CNN.

From the lead CNN story. Other than the thing about the girlfriend, this sounds like a normal kid who decided to kill. And while I know the gut reaction is to say that sin't normal, he lives in a nation where we use killing to solve our problems every day.

Maybe he was a better student of what we taught him than we want to admit?



Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. It's a wider issue
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 05:51 PM
Oct 2014

We as Americans need to ask why it's so ingrained in our nature to introduce violence into conflicts/arguments/situations where it is completely unnecessary...

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
10. Teaching conflict resolution in school (and at home),
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:12 PM
Oct 2014

from the very earliest years, is essential.

Preschool is not too early to help children find ways to manage their frustrations and conflicts.

"Janey, when Tommy tries to take your toy away and it makes you angry, what can you do?"

"Hit him?"

"That would make him sad and hurt. And we don't hurt other people. Perhaps you could try saying to him, 'I know we both like this toy. Why don't I take my turn first for ten minutes and then I'll give it to you.'"


Okay, maybe this sounds stupid, but it's essential to give kids the techniques for resolving issues, and it has to start early. This is why (noninstructional, developmental) preschool is so essential in this country.
 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
67. I disagree
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 02:38 PM
Oct 2014

"That would make him sad and hurt"

Who cares? If Tommy tries to take away Janey's toy, why should Janey show more respect for Tommy's feelings than Tommy shows for her feelings.

Put differently, why should Janey privilege her abusers' feelings over her own?

betsuni

(25,475 posts)
72. "Janey, when Tommy tries to take your toy away and it makes you angry,
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:15 AM
Oct 2014

why does Tommy do this?" "Because he wants me to get angry?" "Yes, Tommy wants everyone to be as sad and hurt as he is, tell him to go fuck himself."

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
73. No wonder society is in such a mess
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:23 AM
Oct 2014

With responses like this and the others above, we can expect more violence and self-interested behavior rather than comity and communal interests in our society. I give up. I'll just go cultivate my own garden.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
49. It's hardly ingrained....
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 04:03 AM
Oct 2014

The vast, vast, vast... did I mention vast... majority of all conflict in the western world, to include America, is solved non-violently.

A few hundred thousand high school kids will break up with a boyfriend/girlfriend tomorrow or get kicked off a team and will boo hoo for a sec and eventually move on.

I encourage you to look up some truly violent cultures where conflict virtually demands violence.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
64. I owned guns when in high school...
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 11:30 AM
Oct 2014

I didn't shoot anyone when they made fun of me for being fat, or being a band geek, or when my girlfriend broke up with me. This problem isn't about guns.

Your right, these are aberrations, but we do need to understand why they happen.

former9thward

(31,996 posts)
12. Why?
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:28 PM
Oct 2014

Last edited Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:12 PM - Edit history (1)

My dad introduced me to the "gun culture" when I was 6. Most of my friends at similar ages. Guess what? We never shot anyone even when we were so mad we wished them dead.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. Unfortunately, some gunz manufactured to meet your questionable needs end up with folks like this.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:32 PM
Oct 2014

Heck, Zimmerman, Michael Dunn, Curtis Reeves, Adam Lanza, etc., all said the same thing as you.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. Gunners keep manufacturers in business, not to mention NRA that promotes gunz and other right wing
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:48 PM
Oct 2014

causes not connected to gunz. But some folks just can't kick the addiction.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
71. What other RW causes does the NRA promote?
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 09:02 AM
Oct 2014

Looking at their website, can't find anything other than gun rights material, maybe I'm not seeing it, can you provide a link?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
78. Are you naive enogh think when Grover Norquist, John Bolton, or T Nugent lobbies under guise of NRA,
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:46 AM
Oct 2014

Last edited Sun Oct 26, 2014, 12:36 PM - Edit history (1)

they are only promoting gun issues. I'm sure when they walk into a legislators office, they don't confine their discussion to gunz. They crack racist jokes, push keeping taxes low on rich, cutting food stamps, bombing Muslims, etc. Things the the majority of gun cultists hold dear.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
80. Again I ask, what other RW causes is the
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 12:00 PM
Oct 2014
NRA promoting. Please post a link to what, other than firearms issue, they are promoting.

They are as private citizens, but I sure as hell don't see anything on the NRA website about anything else.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
81. I told you. Quit fondling your gunz for awhile and wise up. Here are a few links to keep you busy.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 12:54 PM
Oct 2014

". . . . . . Why would they [NRA] "take heat" for supporting pro-gun Democrats? Oh right, because having the "correct" opinions about guns isn't sufficient for support, you also have to have the "correct" opinions on minorities, and the inherent evil of government, and all the other far-right notions that Wayne LaPierre and his legion of protoconfederates froth on about during one of their many speeches. . . . . . ."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/15/1336791/-The-NRA-is-a-far-right-conservative-organization-that-works-against-Democrats#


"People think the NRA is just a gun group. It's really not." Horwitz said. Horwitz's group has created a cheeky website, "Meet the NRA.org." It lists the NRA's board of directors, and it has a rolling information bar that features some of their more colorful statements."

"The NRA's board includes Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, and David Keene, former chairman of the American Conservative Union. The board also includes Robert Brown, creator of Soldier of Fortune magazine, and rock guitarist Ted Nugent."

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/06/politics/nra-alec/



NRA Preaching is Going Way Beyond Gun Rights
http://thenewstalkers.com/forum/topics/nra-preaching-is-going-way-beyond-gun-rights-pushing-right-wing


Sarah Palin’s NRA Speech Was Probably the Biggest Pile of Garbage I’ve Ever Watched
It was literally a twelve minute speech where she made absolutely no points, just spouted off a bunch of right-wing trigger words and phrases she knew the sheep in the crowd would eat right up.
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/sarah-palins-nra-speech-probably-biggest-pile-garbage-ive-ever-watched-video/



GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
82. None, and I stress, NONE of those links
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 12:58 PM
Oct 2014

prove tha the NRA is promoting anything other than gun rights.

Individual board members do promote other than gun rights, but not under the banner of the NRA

As usual, a big fat failure on your part.

former9thward

(31,996 posts)
47. Emotional appeal, devoid of facts.
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 01:24 AM
Oct 2014

Typical. When I went to high school we brought our rifles to school and used them to target practice and sometimes hunt after school. We stored them in our lockers. No body killed anybody. It is not guns that have changed, it is society.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
55. Honest responds to the violent death of kids...
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 08:52 AM
Oct 2014

are easy to portray as emotional. I grow up in the same kind of gun culture, all though we didn't bring them to school, we hunted. Hell, we build muzzle loaders. But just because I have fond memories is no justification for what's happening in America.

If you have a practical idea for reducing gun violence, let's hear it. If it seems workable and reasonable I think you find people getting behind it.

Or you can just be semi-snarky about the issue. Oh no, he doesn't understand the difference between semi and fully automatic.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
90. Well, I certainly have ended alot of game animals lives over my lifetime,
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 04:27 PM
Oct 2014

Elk, Deer, game birds, etc.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
46. Well I guess my kids have been introduced to the gun culture...
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 01:06 AM
Oct 2014

according to your way of thinking. They know that I have a shotgun and a pistol. I can guarantee you that neither of them is ever going to go on a shooting spree. There is a lot more to these cases than just kids whose parents have guns. There are obviously other things going on in their lives.

As for your crack about "questionable needs," who gets to decide what people's needs are? Do you think that people "need" to defend themselves and their families?

Most gun owners are like me, people who keep a weapon or two in the house for self defense, or else they like to hunt (which I don't). Almost all of the people I know own guns, and with the exception of one law enforcement officer who shot someone in the line of duty and one Vietnam veteran who saw a lot of combat, I don't know a single person who has ever shot anyone.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
48. Actually, I don't have an issue with folks with a gun or two AT HOME. Toters
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 03:58 AM
Oct 2014

Toters, lots of guns and ammo, militia types, bigots, gun promoters, those who practice on targets resembling people, Zimmerman types, etc., are a concern.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
20. Because it raises the risk of tragedy when you hand a gun over to a hormonal teenager.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:22 PM
Oct 2014

Your reasoning is the same as that used by cigarette smokers who say that cigarettes don't cause cancer because they know smokers who don't have it. Just because some people don't get cancer doesn't mean it doesn't raise the risk. Same with guns. If a teen owns a gun the risk is much higher that he'll shoot someone with it than if he doesn't own one.

former9thward

(31,996 posts)
27. Analogy fail.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:17 PM
Oct 2014

Tens of millions of teenagers have guns. Very few of them ever have any issues with them. While smoking does not cause cancer in everyone who smokes, almost all people who smoke regularly have some negative physical response from it.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
29. Teens who own guns are far more likely to kill or injure someone with a guns
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:19 PM
Oct 2014

than teens who do not.

Allowing a young teen unsupervised control of a lethal weapon is just plain stupid.

former9thward

(31,996 posts)
31. Teens with cars are far more likely to kill others
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:25 PM
Oct 2014

and themselves than those who have no cars. I don't see anyone saying teens should not be allowed to drive.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
35. Teens get licensed by the state to drive after taking driving tests, and can't drive without
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:30 PM
Oct 2014

insurance. Which states require teens to get gun licenses after passing safety and shooting tests?

former9thward

(31,996 posts)
36. A car license does not stop you from killing people.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:32 PM
Oct 2014

Teens with cars kill more than teens without cars.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
37. It increases the chances you'll be a competent driver. Everyone should get licensed
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:50 PM
Oct 2014

to drive cars and to use guns.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
83. Dads have been introducing kids to hunting for generations
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 01:05 PM
Oct 2014

If anything, far fewer kids are being shown how to use firearms today by their parents than 50-60 years ago, given the slow drop in the number of rural families and hunters in this country.

Yet the trend of mass school shootings is a relatively recent phenomenon.

There is a deeper explanation that needs to be found than the simplistic one you imply.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
84. Yeah, but the urban and rural right wing racist and militia types have increased dramatically.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 01:15 PM
Oct 2014

Go to a gun show or gun store. The majority of yahoos drooling over AR15s, etc., aren't deer hunters.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
85. I go to firearms shows almost every weekend,
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 01:19 PM
Oct 2014

have yet to see anyone "drooling" over any firearm, and the racial make up is pretty diverse where I reside.
But I'm positive you'll post some stupid picture of all white males at a firearms show to attempt to prove your pathetic point.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
86. Next time you go, take a photo. Would love to see what you call diversity.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 01:24 PM
Oct 2014

You've been pushing your love of gunz far too long on this site. Weren't you the one who supported the Bundy Ranch armed militias?

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
88. Number 1, I have nothing to prove to the likes of you,
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 01:32 PM
Oct 2014

Number 2, I've only been here for about 4 weeks, so how have I been pushing my "love of guns", not gunz, learn how to spell, far too long on this site.
Number 3, I've never even commented on Bundy, so how the hell did you come up with that crap?

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
89. Yet the shooter here was a Native American
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 03:00 PM
Oct 2014
urban and rural right wing racist and militia types


And the mass shooter at Virginia Tech was South Korean.

And Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine killers, was raised by college-educated, middle-class, suburban parents who even named him after Dylan Thomas, a renowned Welsh poet.

Mass school shootings don't appear to follow any particular pattern, ie primarily by kids raised in families that hold racist or militia points of view. They appear to be spread across the racial and socio-economic spectrum, as the examples I gave above indicate.

Like I said, there is something deeper at work here than saying "da racist gun nutz caused it."

Personally, my completely unscientific opinion is that far too few children are being responsibly introduced to guns by their parents, and those who are being introduced to guns are often introduced in a way that makes guns more like toys than potentially lethal weapons. I have 25-yr old coworkers who's only prior experience with guns is through video games, going out and buying AR's and AK's because they look cool, and blasting away hundreds of rounds at a gun range.

Whereas I was introduced to shooting with a single-shot, pump pellet gun by my dad, couldn't shoot his .22-cal rifle for squirrel hunting until I passed gun safety when I was 12, and wasn't allowed unsupervised access to said gun until I was 16. And even then, I had to conserve ammo by shooting slow and safe, or I'd get no more bullets for a while. Even today, my go-to gun is a single-shot pellet rifle, albeit a high-powered one capable of hunting with.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
3. Female student dead.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 05:38 PM
Oct 2014

Shooter dead self inflicted gunshot wound. 6 victims in total, I don't know if that includes the shooter. The press conference just ended.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
7. yes it was over a girl. they found a posting of his
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 05:47 PM
Oct 2014

Saying (paraphrasing) " didnt you know she was still my girlfriend." . This from the local Inquisitor News.
(Apologize..i am on my phone & this is the best i can do till I get home later, to my laptop.)

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
11. According to what I read, they dated for a while and then broke up.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:18 PM
Oct 2014

Not that that changes anything, fundamentally.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
19. Two links about this. In first, he was rebuffed by a girl who didn't want to date him:
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:21 PM
Oct 2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/jaylen-fryberg-marysville-shooter_n_6043976.html

He was popular kid and was expected to be a tribal leader, it also says.

In the second, there is a series of pictures, with his social media page. He praises his parents and says how much he loves them for his birthday present, a rifle. Other pictures are posing with a deer's head and there is another with a girl:

http://hollywoodlife.com/pics/washington-school-shooter-marysville-pilchuck-gunman-jaylen-ray-fryberg/?_escaped_fragment_=1/jaylen-ray-fryberg-shooter-of-marysville-highschool-ftr%26ref%3D/2014/10/24/marysville-school-gunman-shooting-jaylen-fryberg-gun-birthday/pos%3D#!1/jaylen-ray-fryberg-shooter-of-marysville-highschool-ftr&ref=/2014/10/24/marysville-school-gunman-shooting-jaylen-fryberg-gun-birthday/pos=

Don't know if that girl was the one he killed or if some other girl was the victim. One report says he smirked at a bystander after shooting.

Does not make sense for him to do this or to kill himself. Think of the kids who are dead or hurt and his family. One report says he appeared to be acting as everything was fine before this.

There's no telling what was going on in his mind and the mystery of his life and those he shot will not be resolved, probably.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
21. Thanks, freshwest. What is not a mystery is that someone made the mistake
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:23 PM
Oct 2014

of giving this 14 year old a deadly weapon.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
22. It's legal, AFAIK in WA. and he was into hunting. Although... he didn't use the rifle at the school?
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:00 PM
Oct 2014

The whole thing is more than a little creepy, to shoot his friends like that from behind. Now there is nothing left but time to heal the families of the dead and the wounded. But never enough.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
39. I saw posts from his page
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:13 PM
Oct 2014

where he continually made threats and talked about how unhappy he was.

I was reading on my phone at work so not sure where. Either CNN or Daily News. A pic of him on his page with a rifle, and a threat.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
40. I didn't see those. There may have been some further in that gallery, but my computer wouldn't show.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:36 PM
Oct 2014
Who was he threatening?

I understand if you can't go further because of your device. I'm on a desktop but it's an older machine and I'm having trouble viewing now. I also can't see Twitter or Facebook pages as I'm not signed onto to them.


valerief

(53,235 posts)
25. Thank heavens his immature prefrontal cortex had access to a firearm!
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:11 PM
Oct 2014

Goodness what would have happened if he didn't have a gun!













LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
32. Good point
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:26 PM
Oct 2014

He might have started a fist fight or something and given a kid a black eye or--heavens!--knocked couple of teeth out. Fortunately all that was avoided thanks to equipping the 14 year old with a gun.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
51. Oh heavens to betsy!
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 04:18 AM
Oct 2014

What would have happened if only he'd been kept in a locked box away from anything that could potentially influence him to hurt anyone ever?

Won't someone think of the children?!

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
53. So not giving a child access to guns is the same as keeping the child in a locked box?
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 04:49 AM
Oct 2014

That's fucking stupid.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
54. That is a... unique... way to interpret that
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 05:24 AM
Oct 2014

... but certainly not accurate.

The point, that whizzed by you, is that there are untold things that influenced that kid to commit his violent act and if any one of them hadn't happened or happened differently, he might not have made the same decisions.

If only his parents hadn't allowed him to date... If only he hadn't had access to the media, internet, bad influences at school. If only he hadn't ... whatever..

Take your pick...

A simple (and naive) view is to look at the last thing that happened and say "Well, that must be it. It's guns."

The complex, much more difficult but ultimately more accurate way is to look at the circumstances that led to such a severe choice over a long period of time.

Thinking like yours is what led the masses to concepts like zero tolerance because folks refuse to use the analytical part of their brain. It's just too difficult it seems.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
57. Guns are a common denominator
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 09:06 AM
Oct 2014

Guns make it easy to kill.

Just like it's easy to insult others by saying that they refuse to use the analytical part of their brain because you don't like their opinion.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
62. It's not really an insult but an observation.
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 11:01 AM
Oct 2014

If folks aren't thinking by the time they are adults then they stand virtually no chance to start doing so.

Guns are an excellent case in point... It just seems to flip folk's switches to duhhhhh and/or outrage. For examples please refer to the high school photo thread.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
69. Sure, we *could* lock kids in boxes
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 08:29 AM
Oct 2014

Or we could let them go out in the world, experience all types of things, BUT NOT GIVE THEM WEAPONS THAT MAKE IT EASY TO INFLICT MASS SHOOTINGS WHEN THEIR HORMONES GET RAGING.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
70. Uncounted things could keep it from happening...
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 08:50 AM
Oct 2014

One bad friend, TV show, parental example, the list goes on and on...

Can't insulate from the world and nor should you even if you could...

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
79. Reductio ad absurdum
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:57 AM
Oct 2014

Why yes, we need to lock kids in boxes because a bad friend might influence them. Truly stupid. But gun humpers will grasp at anything rather than agree that maybe kids who aren't allowed to drive a car much less vote should have across to weapons.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
91. It sure is mighty convenient...
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 05:49 PM
Oct 2014

... that the thing you seem to be so spun up about is the single most important factor in every one of these incidents....

Just amazing how stuff like that works out once you take statistical analysis out of and replace it with hyperbole...

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
42. Yesterday I pissed off some gun loverz here on DU by saying the gun culture in this country was
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:22 PM
Oct 2014

sick and twisted and a disgusting fetish. I said that photos of teens posing with their guns gave me the creeps..Oooh, I hurt dere widdle feewings real bad!

And this is exactly why I said what I said. Fuck the sicko, gun-worshipping mentality in this country and the death and carnage it causes.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
44. Good for you!
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 12:54 AM
Oct 2014

Agree 100%! Fuck them. This has to stop.

Thank Christ people like you are speaking up.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
74. +++++ totally agree
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:27 AM
Oct 2014

Keep saying it.

As I've said before: PROSECUTE THE OWNER OF THE GUN--long term jail.

That would go a long way to stopping this. It was his father's gun.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
43. I read the book "Columbine" by Dave Cullen.
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 12:50 AM
Oct 2014

I recommend it. All of the missed signals before the tragedy and all of the lies, cover-ups and misinformation that went out after.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
60. You beat me to it, Tom!
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 09:20 AM
Oct 2014

I did a search for the word 'Homecoming' and wrongly thought no one had posted that. Oh, well.
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MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. They were calling him a Homecoming PRINCE on the nightly news....so I guess a 2nd tier winner?? nt
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 04:21 AM
Oct 2014

MissB

(15,806 posts)
58. Could be that only the senior class has the honor of king and queen
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 09:09 AM
Oct 2014

and the freshman-junior class gets princes/princesses. I dunno. My oldest sibling graduated from Marysville/Pilchuck and was homecoming king his senior year. But that was eons ago and things could've changed.

I went to the tribal elementary school on the Tulalip reservation for part of my early elementary years. Even way back then the school was very much immersed in the Native American culture. I still remember the school's song, and I left there in 2nd grade. The tribe had a lot of positive cultural traditions. That being said, I did travel there in my adulthood (to visit an elderly neighbor that my family had kept in touch with) and I remember all the memorial signs along the main road onto the tribal lands. The markers were reminders of folks that had lost their lives drinking and driving along the road. It was shocking, because as a young child I'd been completely unaware of any drinking issues the tribe may have faced. Not saying that this 14-yo from the Tulalip tribe had a family with drinking problems or anything. I just remember the positive culture of the tribe from my childhood and am saddened that this happened in the town I was born and raised in.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
61. My knowledge of that cultural aspect of American coming-of-age is pretty much limited to
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 09:35 AM
Oct 2014

what I saw in films--the whole football/prom thing is foreign to me, so who knows?

How fascinating that you were educated in in that school system, even if only for a short time, and it's wonderful that you came away with positive memories.

As for this young shooter, I'm sure we'll learn more as the story rolls out. I understand some of his victims were cousins.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
59. Reminds me of a song, in a gallows humor sort of way.
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 09:19 AM
Oct 2014

The Homecoming Queen's Got A Gun by Julie Brown. It's hilarious. This guy? Not so much.
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