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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 08:00 AM Oct 2014

Automated Mass Surveillance is Unconstitutional, EFF Explains in Jewel v. NSA

Today EFF filed our latest brief in Jewel v. NSA, our longstanding case on behalf of AT&T customers aimed at ending the NSA’s dragnet surveillance of millions of ordinary Americans’ communications. The brief specifically argues that the Fourth Amendment is violated when the government taps into the Internet backbone at places like the AT&T facility on Folsom Street in San Francisco.

As it happens, the filing coincides with the theatrical release of Laura Poitras’ new documentary, Citizenfour. The Jewel complaint was filed in 2008, and there’s a scene early in the film that shows the long road that case has taken. In footage shot in 2011, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit hears argument in Jewel, and an attorney from the Department of Justice tries to convince a skeptical court that it should simply decide not to decide the case, leaving it to the other branches of government.

But the court did not agree to step aside. EFF prevailed on the issue, and the case continued, albeit very slowly. Now, years later, Poitras’ film underscores just how much the conversation around mass surveillance has changed. Americans are overwhelmingly concerned with government monitoring of their communications, and we hope to (finally) have a constitutional ruling in Jewel soon. (And another in Smith v. Obama, and still another in First Unitarian Church of Los Angeles v. NSA.)

Even so, the government continues to try to avoid a decision that any of its various means of mass surveillance is unconstitutional. The current procedural context is this: in July, EFF filed a partial motion for summary judgment requesting that the court rely on uncontested evidence that the NSA taps into the Internet backbone and collects and searches ordinary Americans’ communication to rule that the government is violating the Fourth Amendment. The technology at issue, which the government calls “upstream,” is illustrated here.

Under this surveillance, the government makes a full copy of everything that travels through key Internet backbone locations, like AT&T’s peering links. The government says that it then does some rudimentary filtering and searches through the filtered copies, looking for specific “selectors,” like email addresses.

The government filed its opposition to our motion in September. In our reply, we note that the government is effectively trying to sidestep the Fourth Amendment for everything that travels over the Internet. We explain:


There's more here:https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/automated-mass-surveillance-unconstitutional-eff-explains-jewel-v-nsa
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Automated Mass Surveillance is Unconstitutional, EFF Explains in Jewel v. NSA (Original Post) Luminous Animal Oct 2014 OP
Thank You - Thanks To EFF cantbeserious Oct 2014 #1
What is bizarre is that there are people here at DU who will defend this. djean111 Oct 2014 #2
Not even inside... Helen Borg Oct 2014 #4
The right to personal privacy should be in the constitution IMO. L0oniX Oct 2014 #5
The toilet bowl cam won't bother me too much if they seen a copy of the analysis to my doctor. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2014 #9
To an extent it is, in the 4th Amendment. But as we have seen over the past number of years sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #14
They'll make a law against hiding in your closet. L0oniX Oct 2014 #6
If I dug a hole and hid in it or moved into a cave the NSA would complain. L0oniX Oct 2014 #3
Plus we know from other sources that they keep the copy they make. hootinholler Oct 2014 #7
Yep,Bluffdale/Utah Data Center is open Go Vols Oct 2014 #12
OMFG hootinholler Oct 2014 #13
I can't either....Could it be photoshopped or are they so bold KoKo Oct 2014 #15
They are bold Go Vols Oct 2014 #16
+1 KoKo Oct 2014 #17
That's a parody site! hootinholler Oct 2014 #18
Unfortunately, the Utah site is viciously real. woo me with science Oct 2014 #22
Yes it is, but the photo is not n/t hootinholler Oct 2014 #24
+1000000 Orwellian chutzpah, woo me with science Oct 2014 #21
See below. hootinholler Oct 2014 #19
Love all the threads condemning the NSA. n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #8
Recommend...& BTW KoKo Oct 2014 #10
K&R woo me with science Oct 2014 #11
kick! woo me with science Oct 2014 #20
I can't figure the EFF out... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #23
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. What is bizarre is that there are people here at DU who will defend this.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 08:35 AM
Oct 2014

I think we are now thisclose to having little drones with cameras and sound-transmitting devices, flitting through our back yards. I saw one small as a hummingbird in an article last year. It could go inside buildings.
Pretty soon a closet will be the only private place we have.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
4. Not even inside...
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 09:33 AM
Oct 2014

There will be fly-like drones soon, that connect to existing wireless data networks to transmit data. It's a given.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
5. The right to personal privacy should be in the constitution IMO.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 09:38 AM
Oct 2014

They are complaining now about the new iphone encryption. If we keep letting them do this there will be cams in your toilet bowl.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. To an extent it is, in the 4th Amendment. But as we have seen over the past number of years
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 04:11 PM
Oct 2014

the Constitution has been replaced with the Patriot Act. Those who argue FOR attacks on Protesters eg, are arguing FOR the Patriot Act. And it's time for the rest of us to stop trying to explain to them what this country was supposed to be about. They KNOW, and they obviously, as Bush at least was honest about, find the Constitution to be an obstacle to the goals they have or their 'idols' have.

Now it's best to just ignore them, waste no time on them at all and work with organizations like EFF and the ACLU and support Whistle Blowers regardless of the childish garbage we see posted online trying to discredit them.

But to say we are LOSING rights, is wrong, we have LOST enough of those rights now that retrieving them has become increasingly difficult, especially when we have to deal with supporters of those losses.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
7. Plus we know from other sources that they keep the copy they make.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:02 AM
Oct 2014

WHich is why the multi-petabyte installation out west is being built. Anyone know if it's online yet?

FYI, the EFF pages are CreativeCommons copyleft thus the 4 paragraph rule is over-ridden by permission to post with attribution.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
15. I can't either....Could it be photoshopped or are they so bold
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 04:15 PM
Oct 2014

they don't give a flying "F****!" Chilling....

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
10. Recommend...& BTW
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:04 AM
Oct 2014

Did you see the long interview with Poitras on Democracy Now last week? It was a great interview and Jeremy Scahill follows about the Blackwater Indictment and more.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
23. I can't figure the EFF out...
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 07:51 PM
Oct 2014

They've stuck by Jewel for years while at the same time being in bed with Google...It's a bit ambiguous...

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