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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAmber Vinson is Ebola-Free. So much for the Panic Platoon.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ebola-free-nurse-amber-vinson-to-leave-atlanta-hospital-111542052.htmlYep, calm, science-based medicine saved another Ebola patient. And the eedjits who were panicking are left with egg on their faces.
There has been no outbreak in Dallas. Not one in Northeast Ohio, either. So please, calm the fuck down.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)They will have all day to find something to panic about.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Panic isn't rational, after all.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)"So long as I don't lick every bowling ball in the city, I'll be OK", or words to that effect.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Guaranteed, the PP will insist that the Ebolacalypse is imminent, this is a false sense of security, and so on.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)folks with. Your pick, my pick is ISIS and looks like the old standbys of NK and Iran would do in a pinch, during a slow terror news cycle.
The American media are the terrorists, if not, enablers of terrorism. They are doing exactly, fucking exactly, what the terrorists want, to spread their terrorist news.
Maybe not a news blackout, but a dimming of the fucking lights.
riqster
(13,986 posts)But the government has cut way back on the "bread".
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Had he been admitted to the hospital in a timely manner, it seems he may have survived as well.
Perhaps the real question is why an utterly treatable virus (all ebola patients brought to or treated in the US except for Duncan have recovered) is killing so many people in West Africa. The answer is obvious: resource allocation.
We have not seen the brigade of people who insisted that those guys cleaning the sidewalk would surely die mention that Mr. Duncan's family is apparently ebola-free.
riqster
(13,986 posts)JI7
(89,283 posts)The Magistrate
(95,264 posts)The hospital pretty much killed him for being uninsured, black, foreign-sounding, and probably angling for pain-killers, like all the rest of 'those people' who show up at the emergency room....
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,775 posts)I'm confident that the only person who is still a concern is her boyfriend, and that is assuming they had unprotected sex when she had a fever.
riqster
(13,986 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Cray-cray.
Duct tape and Visqueen are useful things for home improvement protects, at least.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Not making fun of Ebola...
Obola as some call it now...
Or the poor victims...
Was it you posted a thread about how the Ebola was getting attention by the CDC, etc. in February...
But only in the last months is the media going nuts?
I think the elections are part of it... Sorry, but I do.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Textbook GOP: create a climate fear, get people to demand security , "we are the party of security, vote for us."
Works for them, and has for decades. Bastards.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)delivered from evil.
It is, after all, soothing to be frightened and then there is the relief when a Savior comes through.
Kind of fitting all this false alarm, fake fear, bed wetting and worst of all, not believing President
Obama, as Haolloween approaches.
Like God is playing a cosmic joke on America that it just does not get.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)As someone else pointed out, it is very troubling that Mr. Duncan died. No one else treated in the US has died from Ebola. It is obvious that his care was substandard. The only excuse the hospital may have is that he did not get early treatment. It is also very troubling about the death rate of the disease in West Africa. What is the difference between here and West Africa? I would like to see the news media ask that question.
riqster
(13,986 posts)I expect the difference between survival rates has a lot to do with resources.
ecstatic
(32,777 posts)As little as 10 simultaneous cases in the US could quickly spiral out of control, since the special bio containment facilities in this country have a total of 9 beds (for ebola patients) combined. For some reason, people still aren't grasping this when smugly comparing ebola to the flu or gloating about how high ebola's survival rate is in this country. Of course the mortality rate (so far) is low- every surviving ebola patient has been treated at one of the 4 special biocontainment units in the country. But think about the quality of care people would receive if the cases were to ever exceed 10. We'd see a much lower survival rate.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/best-us-ebola-care-remains-limited-in-scale-343868483864
Crunchy Frog
(26,701 posts)I think I may be one of the people you are intending to address. If so, I can assure you that I am pleased, but not surprised that she has recovered, and I never thought there was a very high probability that she would pass the disease onto anyone else, but.
I still don't think that she should have been flying around the country, or out visiting public businesses while she was incubating, and possibly in the early symptomatic stages of, this disease.
If anyone wants to take your agressions out on me, I'm here to be your punching bag.
riqster
(13,986 posts)How could one thus treat someone with a Whizzo Chocolate Company screen name?
Crunchy Frog
(26,701 posts)Who is it directed at then?
riqster
(13,986 posts)And people who leapt upon that bandwagon.
lob1
(3,820 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:57 PM - Edit history (1)
Leap to conclusions
Make mountains out of molehills
Jump at shadows
Repeat per the fitness coach's instructions.
cwydro
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Barack_America
(28,876 posts)We'll be up to our ears in Ebola scares. None of it WILL be Ebola, of course, but that doesn't matter because it COULD be Ebola because we haven't quarantined Africa.
Texasgal
(17,049 posts)dismiss the Flu.
It kills and people still go to work, Fly and go to grocery stores or send their kids to school.
As an RN we are way more concerned about influenza than anything else right now since the season is coming soon.
riqster
(13,986 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)The eternally red faced with rage and panic will step onto the next platform of despair in short order.
Logical
(22,457 posts)pnwmom
(109,021 posts)had gotten their acts together sooner, she would have been wearing proper protection from the very beginning.
But instead, the CDC was saying that Dallas and every other hospital with a private room was fully prepared to take care of Duncan.
Which obviously wasn't true.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)when they told her it was OK to fly to Ohio. And when they blamed the nurses for not following protocol, that was another big stumble.
I would have to imagine that public confidence in the CDC has dropped dramatically.
riqster
(13,986 posts)pnwmom
(109,021 posts)finally spoke up.
riqster
(13,986 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Which suggests to me the protocols worked for the other 74.
They had to make adjustments to account for more people being exposed and the risk that when the numbers increase, it is more likely something will go wrong.
Also, the bit lesson is self-monitoring and early detection works. It works to make it treatable, reduce infections and keep people less infectious-- safer treatment for the workers.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)apartment for almost a week, none of those relatives got sick, including the one who had been in charge of cleaning up his mess.
Or is that one of their "protocols" that you say "worked"?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)anywhere, especially in the apartment. I've always said that. Not sure what you're on about here.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)I think they were just lucky -- that the protocol that shut the family up in the contaminated apartment was stupid. So I'm glad you agree.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I said only two of the 74 were infected, speaking only about the health workers. No other health workers were infected.
It is true that none of the 50 or so family and pre-isolation contacts were infected either. But that is an entirely separate issue.
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Logical
(22,457 posts)pnwmom
(109,021 posts)despite what the CDC had been insisting for months.
Logical
(22,457 posts)The nurses did not spread it to ANYONE! Panic <> logic!
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)and they wouldn't have if the CDC had made sure all the hospitals were prepared, instead of just holding press conferences saying that they were.
Logical
(22,457 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I can only see one post at a time.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Notifying people who have been in close quarters with Ebola patients, and wiping down every possible surface in the patient's home and pathway. Maybe that would make the panic subside.
You can't have all this frantic activity and have people believe your soothing words at the same time.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)The messaging has been mixed and it's not helpful and contributing to the confusion.
People still need to be notified, though. And most, when they are notified, do seem to understand that it is an abundance of caution in the bulk of the situations.
The media is also playing up the ridiculousness though as well. Like "Why was she on a plane?" It's ok for the media to ask that, but I also expect them to get the answer to that as well, immediately. And not their own speculations, they should find experts to immediately give them information and answers.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Words or actions? I don't blame the public for losing confidence in the CDC and other health authorities to manage this.
And notification always causes concern, which in many people manifests itself as worry. I'm sure everyone who was on those five planeloads of notified people talked to at least a dozen friends and family members, and they in turn each talked to another dozen or so.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I would have just notified people directly next to, in front of and behind her. And that's it.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)I can't really recall. It must have been some sort of right wing plot.
I'd say more about what I think about you, but you're not worth the hide I'd get.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)was that they didn't have respirators. We are doing care here, that is not done if West Africa, such as dialysis and intubation. The gear they were wearing was eventually, obviously not at first, but eventually what the HCWs wear in West Africa. However, with care involving even more direct contact with bodily fluids, (Thomas Eric Duncan had a tube to remove vomit, a tube for diarrhea, a catheter) a respirator was needed. That has now been a change in the protocols as well.
uppityperson
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Enough openings to let virus in if she rubbed her neck with a contaminated hand. I wasn't there but that report made me flinch.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I don't know if they will ever know for sure. But the timeline for the typical signs of infection, 8-10 days or so, fits when they had proper PPE, but they did not have the respirators, yet.
But yeah, that was just the doctor's speculation, we probably really never will know exactly when the breach occurred.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Not for nothing are so many victims health providers.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)sarcastic one or obvious troll. Show me ONE link to someone here who said a communicable disease is impossible to get?
Except for a few circumstances, it IS very difficult to get, being spread through a contagious person's bodily excretions or dead body.
She got it from caring for his dying and dead hoghky infectious body wothout having adequate protective gear.
Being near or touching an asymptomatic non-contagoius person, it would be quite difficult to get it.
Washing feces, vomit from his dying and dead body? Quite a bit riskier and how it has spread.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Fully briefed and ready to swarm now, I see.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Gah! Sweaty hands, rented shoes, plastic beer cups, shared restrooms....aaaiiieeeee!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)others, like the care-givers, to consider.
Then there are the liars:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2812254/New-York-Ebola-doctor-LIED-police-travel-NYPD-discovered-rode-subway-ate-restaurant-went-bowling-cops-checked-MetroCard.html
And the headstrong:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/maine-nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-will-not-observe-quarantine/
KMOD
(7,906 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)So, are those eggs fried or scrambled?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Unless the Araucanas are laying. Cholesterol, feh...
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)You felt that need? Really?
Cha
(297,935 posts)dubbed on Hillary44.. So Bitter their tears. I don't even know how I got on that site.. just researching something and there I was.
Disclaimer.. this is not against Hillary supporters per se.. just the 44ers.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Not sure where idea that came from.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Only on what it DOES.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)grahamhgreen
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Infectious diseases
riqster
(13,986 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Maybe they were reassigned God forbid, they were laid off due to lack of work.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)First thing I do understand is it has a high killer rate. That much I get.
Everything I keep reading is there isn't much difference than transmission of AIDs or Hepatitis and I keep reading more to find something different but I can't. I'm not scared to be in the same room with someone with AIDs and I thought people did a long time ago. I understand the death rate which means I'll be less likely to share a needle with someone with Ebola than I would with someone with AIDs but that is where my panic ends.
I'm more of a panic over the panic.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Exactly!
The fact that so many people here are so quick to buy into the hysteria frightens the hell out of me. It is unbelievable on a site so easy to educate yourself on.
The TV is apparently very powerful.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)There will always be another Y2K just around the corner, exhorting the irrational, reinforcing the hysterical and validating the general impression that Americans should pay just a wee bit more attention in school.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Kaci Hickox.
BTW, my autocorrect has finally stopped arguing with me every time I put in her last name! Took long enough.