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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, center, and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie at a news conference on Ebola in New York, October 24, 2014. The governors of New York and New Jersey on Sunday stood by their decision to require medical workers who had contact with Ebola patients in West Africa into quarantine, despite deep concerns about the impact it might have on fighting the epidemic and the lack of clarity about exactly how the plan would work.
(Photo: Katie Orlinsky / The New York Times)
This Nation of Cowards
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed
Tuesday 28 October 2014
It is likely that most of us, myself included, will live out our entire lives and die without ever meeting someone who willingly and purposefully volunteers to spend their vacation thousands of miles away, tending to people with diseases that make the talking heads on CNN and Fox want to hide under the bed. Kaci Hickox, a nurse from Maine who graduated from Johns Hopkins, is one such person.
In 2010, Hickox traveled overseas with the organization Doctors Without Borders to treat people suffering from yellow fever, one of several trips she made with that organization. Until last Friday, she was in Sierra Leone for a month, spending her vacation time helping to treat people infected with Ebola, the virus that has been burning through western Africa at an unprecedented rate. Kaci Hickox went to one of the most unstable countries in the world to help fight a deadly disease because someone had to, and so she raised her hand.
On Friday, she came home to a timorous nation of cowards.
That same day, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo teamed up with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie to establish a mandatory 21-day quarantine for any health workers returning from West Africa. When she landed at the ironically-named Liberty International Airport in Newark, she informed an immigration official that she had just returned from Sierra Leone, and was immediately hustled into a room. For the next several hours, she was questioned harshly by several people wearing bio-suits without being told exactly what was going on. According to her, nobody seemed to be in charge.
One man whose gun was visible under his bio-suit, in Hickox own words, "barked questions at me as if I was a criminal." After several hours passed, she was brought to University Hospital in Newark in a speeding sirens-blaring lights-flashing caravan of eight police cars. Upon arrival, she was stuffed into a quarantine tent with scant furniture, a port-o-potty and no shower, and was informed that this would be her home for the next twenty-one days.
(snip)
"The tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny," Aesop tells us. These days, the tyrant will justify that tyranny by playing to the fears of the people. Kaci Hickox is but one example of a nation that has entirely surrendered to those fears, both real and imagined, because those fears are a facile way for TV networks to get ratings, and for politicians to get coverage by stoking those fears, which creates more fear, which generates ratings, which makes political careers. Lather rinse repeat.
This is what happens in a nation trained to be fearful by a media and political establishment which profits from that fear. We have seen it with terrorism, and with WMD in Iraq, and Bird Flu, and "They're coming for your guns," and immigration, and now ISIS, and in so many other moments as well. Now, it is Ebola, which is dangerous to be sure, but not to the point that we explode the Bill of Rights, again. For the record, it seems the CDC would seem to agree.
This is what happens to an ill-informed populace which is not taught to be strong, and fair, and true to the ideals of their founding, but is instead convinced by the very entities tasked to protect and inform them that they are, actually, about to die at the hands of this week's bloviated threat.
This is how a nation of cowards is made.
Mission accomplished.
The rest: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/27090-this-nation-of-cowards
unblock
(52,216 posts)seems there might be a certain, uh, hole in the logic of the utility of that gun....
calimary
(81,247 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)is that genius has its limits." A. Einstein.
The ammosexuals are NOT geniuses.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)One of the most chilling but entertaining novels I have ever read. "Entertaining Novel' being the key words here.
unblock
(52,216 posts)they should have taken in nice and slow. much safer.
lights and sirens are vastly overused. time was not of the essence, avoiding an accident was (at least if quarantine was the goal).
JHB
(37,160 posts)The goal was "Showing off how Tough Measures are done! (not like you-know-who)" by Christie.
A choice between grandstanding and public good? No takers on bets of which Christie will choose: sure things and sure losers make for bad wagers.
unblock
(52,216 posts)ebola patient thrown from ambulance onto crowded sidewalk! eek!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Aren't both NY and NJ allowing the quarantine to take place in the person's home, with compensation paid for lost wages?
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)There's stuff in the (snip). It's a lot of words, but they mean something. Try it.
Thanks for the kick.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)But do we really want doctors just back from West Africa treating Ebola patients to be taking the subway around New York and going bowling in rented shoes on their first day back? Not really.
I think the home quarantine with compensation for lost wages is a pretty good balance. I'm not seeing a "nation of cowards" so much as a few screw-ups in the first few days of an unfamiliar threat, followed by adjusting to the threat and getting the balance pretty much right.
geez sad attempt to be 'balanced and fair'. "Unfamiliar threat"? and on and on.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)would be supportive of reasonable quarantine recommendations.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=892080
heaven05
(18,124 posts)reasonable, not a tent in the parking lot without running water, ect???? Anyone would be supportive of not having draconian black plague mentality?
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:25 PM - Edit history (2)
... who, upthread, wrote:
"Was putting the nurse in a room with a porta-potti and no shower an overreaction? Yes.
But do we really want doctors just back from West Africa treating Ebola patients to be taking the subway around New York and going bowling in rented shoes on their first day back? Not really.
I think the home quarantine with compensation for lost wages is a pretty good balance. I'm not seeing a "nation of cowards" so much as a few screw-ups in the first few days of an unfamiliar threat, followed by adjusting to the threat and getting the balance pretty much right."
heaven05
(18,124 posts)with compassionate care and treatment of potential ebola carriers and those that register positive. Just because that jerk christie backtracked as a result of negative press, it does nothing to change my mind about the ability of people,with the help of RW fear mongering to revert to draconian measures to deal with people who might be infected. I agree with anyone who uses empathy and compassion with people like Ms. Hickox. She's a hero who was treated shamefully by cowards and their lackeys. Hope she's treated better in her state.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Rainngirl
(243 posts)if we knew more about the disease and how it works. It doesn't sound like the officials definitively know all that much about it. The problem I have with people carrying on as usual straight off the plane is that (according to the wildly insufficient "news" reporting) it sounds like some people have a fever early on, but don't take it seriously, as it could be the flu or something else. The nurse who flew after checking with the CDC (according to one report I heard) DID have a fever when she was on the plain. A mild one, but one nonetheless. If that is a symptom of this thing, wouldn't it make sense to lie low until she knew more, regardless of what the CDC said? Obviously, they are not infallible.
If I were just coming back from possibly being exposed, I think I would WANT to self-quarantine in the beginning, just to make sure, because if I were infected and gave it to anyone else, I couldn't stand it. Doesn't some common sense have to be applied with regard to this issue without everyone going insane over it? Clearly, it's most dangerous when bodily fluids are coming out, but the whole fever issue (apparently the usual first symptom) is much less clear.
People (in general) are SO incredibly selfish and never seem to be able to think past their own noses. To come home after having been exposed to ebola and then going about your life, bowling, restaurants or whatever, seems ridiculously short-sighted. I just think a few more precautions should be taken (not to the extent of the quarantined nurse without any amenities--that was just cruel) until we know more concrete facts about how ebola works/mutates.
If anyone needs to yell at me, don't bother, since I haven't figured out how to get back in to check on replies. Just stating my uninformed opinion. And, for the record, I adore Will Pitt and almost always agree with him.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)those excretions get into your body by a cut or abrasion of your skin or through a mucous membrane like eyes.
I see no need for someone who is not contagious to be treated as if they are. They need to monitor themslves, like we all do, so signs and symptoms of disease. And call for help asap they notice symptoms because ESPECIALLY for those who have experienced this first hand, they know the sooner they get treatment, the better their survival chances and less chance of spreading it further.
Do not touch vomit or feces, do not touch dead people, don't have unprotected intercourse with a survivor for a couple months and get a flu shot. Oh, and wash your hands.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)The article is correct and timely. Christie decided to release his prisoner just yesterday, after holding her in a plastic tent in a parking lot, without running water, with only a bed and porta-potty, dressed in paper scrubs since Friday. This would also be subsequent to a lengthy trip from W. Africa which by my calculations last night, could have approached 20 hours of traveling including arriving at the first airport 3 hours early (a request from the airline) and a 6 hour layover in Brussels before flying on to NJ.
She left NJ yesterday afternoon at about 1:20, by car headed to Ft. Kent, Maine which is, for the record, north of Caribou and right by the Canadian border.
For the record, Christie has no jurisdiction here in Maine so had no authority to "allow" her quarantine in Maine. He later remembered he has no jurisdiction in Maine, and amended the prisoner's release to state that she would be "treated" according to Maine's laws.
calimary
(81,247 posts)New Jersey's no longer big enough for the big guy. This taste of power and influence on a state-wide basis has just whetted his appetite. And as we can all see, his appetites are rawther formidable. Like jeb and george p bush - he needs to be watched. CAREFULLY.
johnnyreb
(915 posts)(/sarcasm).
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... nonpartisan political cowards.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Cuomo is no Democrat. Third Way corporate toady?--sure.
MontyPow
(285 posts)because REPUBLICANS and SUPREMES!
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)or maybe not. Running for national office is hard when you are unpopular in your own state. Cuomo has been exposed for all to see, and not just by this latest debacle.
MontyPow
(285 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)I wept when Mario didn't run in the 1992 General Election. Literally.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)keep us scared. The Republicans for political reasons and their need for a bogeyman and the media to keep viewers watching so as to know when we're all going to die.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)calimary
(81,247 posts)When those commercials started running about bringing business to New York State and no taxes for TEN YEARS????? NO taxes for TEN YEARS????? What's going on here? sam brownback? Since when is business allowed to have NO obligations to the support of its community (from which it wants and expects to make money)? What about the infrastructure that business takes full advantage of and exploits as much as it can - and it's not being asked to support that with tax revenue? WTF????????? Where is the long-range wisdom in THAT???
That just doesn't make sense. You're invited into the NEW YORK market - which includes the biggest consumer base in the country outside of California - and they just give it all away to you for free????? Shit. There should be an entry fee, at least!!!
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Just sayin'.
The (D) does not bless one with sainthood.
unblock
(52,216 posts)going back just a wee be too far for that one. oversimplifying, but the parties essentially switched, between the wizard of oz election (1896) and the civil rights/southern strategy shift (1960s).
today's democrats bear no more resemblance to davis than today's republicans do to lincoln.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)But the point stands: (D) does not = untouchability.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)See: Evan Bayh
MontyPow
(285 posts)Apparently policy is a distant second, maybe.
Vote Charlie Crist, because any Republican with a D next to his name is fine with me.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:24 PM - Edit history (2)
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)Color-coded terrorist threat levels; anthrax and duct tape and plastic sheeting; AIDS, SARS, bird flu, swine flu . . . there's always something to make us get our national panties in a bunch (and to make us wet them). It's not a new phenomenon. For almost as long as I can remember the local TV news outlets were, and still are, in the habit of doing promos for the evening news that went like, "Is there a deadly hidden threat to your family in your basement? Watch KFUK at 10!" Fear grabs attention; big fear grabs big attention. Then, the media having already caused everybody's balls to pucker, the politicians see that if they aren't perceived as doing something about the deadly hidden threat in your basement, or in the sky, or in the air, they aren't Protecting America so they come up with some dumbass thing like color-coded terrorist threat levels (perpetually brown, it seems) and imprisoning perfectly healthy people in tents because, OMG, Ebola!
Jesus wept, and probably so did Thomas Jefferson.
Kali
(55,008 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)saying I didn't understand the hysteria over Ebola.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)There have been so many "we're all gonna die!" diseases in the past ten years, it's difficult for some of us to get worked up about them anymore. I don't have TV and so don't watch the 24 hour news chanels (actually didn't watch them when I did have it). I wonder how much of the fear would dissipate if all the 24 hour news channels would go *poof*?
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)America is a nation with plenty of cowards. A bunch of yellow bellied morons running around shooting anything that moves and Christie is their leader.
Kaci Hickox is also an American, and this gives me hope.
MontyPow
(285 posts)mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)there, are ya happy?
MontyPow
(285 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)all those claims of Ms. Hickox being arrogant and whiney about the conditions she was forced to endure in the "cowards" type of quarantine. People on another thread related to this travesty were smearing her without knowing this truth. I repeat to Ms. Hickox and all who are like her, THANK YOU for your compassion, bravery and dedication.
And thank you w.pitt.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and on and on it continues.......
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thank you, WilliamPitt.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)
I remember discussing the polio epidemics (and scarlet fever epidemics, etc.) with him, and expressing admiration for his courage during those times. His response was, "Son, it's part of being a physician. It's what we do".
There was also fear then, a fear that was FAR more reasonable than our hysteria about ebola, but that fear was largely put to rest by public health departments and physicians themselves, because they knew what the hell they were talking about, unlike today's politicians and talking heads.
There were also quarantines then, but they were humane: public officials, health departments, churches, neighbors and friends made sure that those who were quarantined had food, water, electricity, telephone, reading materials, etc. ; in no way were the quarantines punitive.
What the hell is wrong with this country? We've done this before, for a couple of centuries, in fact, and it need not be this way!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's a public health measure that is rarely warranted.
Personally, I think that quarantine in the home is warranted for those who have had contact with someone who had ebola and especially anyone who worked with an ebola patient who was in the final stages of ebola.
MontyPow
(285 posts)18,000+ brave Americans died from influenza last year.
Quarantine flu patients NOW! It's a public health issue and is reasonable.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)People think that the flu isn't so bad. But maybe they don't quarantine flu victims because there are so many of them and because it becomes contagious before symptoms are really bad. Also, the flu affects very vulnerable people, many of whom fail to get flu shots.
But quarantine might be a good idea. At the very least, people with flu symptoms should not work in places where they have to deal with the public -- grocery stores, restaurants, schools, etc.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)People go to work sick in restaurants and grocery stores because they don't have sick leave and the landlord and mega corps don't give a fuck if you were sick.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)department requirement, but it isn't.
MontyPow
(285 posts)I'd rather we quarantine gun owners before anything else, the Ebulleta Virus is definitely airborne, contagious, and deadly.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)MontyPow
(285 posts)SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 28, 2014, 04:11 PM - Edit history (1)
... should be awaiting them, with full compensation, a letter from the Surgeon General* in their employee file and our nation's thanks. They are heroes. Once they pass the waiting period (if deemed necessary), rested, relaxed and tan, they would most likely go back to their jobs in better shape than they left and because of that ... we - as patients - win yet again!
But that is just me.
* - Someday, we'll have an SG again. I reckon.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)of home. No need to put them in a tent unless they really develop the disease and somehow the tent is to help them and protect the medical personnel treating them. I don't know about that.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)I would add one caveat to what you propose: no one may be fired, disciplined or otherwise impacted negatively by their employer, as a result of said quarantine.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)A quarantine should not be punitive in any way.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Fantastic piece. This is exactly what is being orchestrated, in so many ways.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)malthaussen
(17,194 posts)I suppose there are more ridiculous things in the world, but seriously...
-- Mal
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Africa of about 71% of those infected.
The initial symptoms are similar to those of other less dangerous diseases. Nigeria prevented an outbreak there by taking temperatures of many, many people.
If we should have ebola here, we would have a very difficult time preventing the spread of the disease. Many Americans do not have access to health care for cold-like conditions or upset stomachs or mere fevers. A good number of Americans live under the grid -- literally under bridges and in alleys, sleeping in the doorways of stores at night. They live and die in abject conditions outside the mainstream of society. They do not have access to good medical care or even a warm bed many nights. If ebola is contracted by any one of them maybe due to the return of someone from Western Africa who does not get medical care, the disease could spread within our society. How quickly it spread from one patient in Dallas to at least one, possibly two nurses.
There is a lot of optimism on DU about how well we could handle ebola. But I think that quarantines in the home of the quarantined person who comes from treating patients in West Africa is a good measure. It would ensure that the a person who may have had contact with the ebola virus is monitored and does not infect others. I would be very cautious with this disease.
Time will tell who is right on this. I do not deny that, if diagnosed, ebola can be treated well. But people with weak immune systems, that is the very young, the very elderly and others, may be endangered if they contract it. I think that we should take the utmost care in dealing with this disease. I do not think that a 21-day quarantine in a person's home is too much to ask to protect public safety. If after a year, we decide that precaution is no longer necessary, then we would no longer require the quarantine. But for now, I support home-quarantines.
Here is Wikipedia on the disease.
An epidemic of Ebola virus disease (EVD), the most widespread in history, is ongoing in some West African countries.[13][14] It has caused significant mortality, with a reported case fatality rate (CFR) of about 71%.[15][16] It began in Guinea in December 2013 and then spread to Liberia and Sierra Leone.[16] A small outbreak of twenty cases occurred in Nigeria, and one case occurred in Senegal. The latter two countries were declared disease-free on 20 October 2014 after a 42 day waiting period.[8][17][18] Secondary infections of medical workers have occurred in the United States and Spain[19][20] but have not spread further. One case has been identified in Mali[21][22] with as yet no reports of further cases of infection. In August an independent outbreak began in the Democratic Republic of the Congo unconnected to the main epidemic.
As of 25 October 2014, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported a total of 12,008 suspected cases and 5,078 deaths,[9] though the WHO believes that this substantially understates the magnitude of the outbreak[23] with true figures numbering three times as many cases as have been reported.[3][24] The assistant director-general of the WHO warned in mid-October that there could be as many as 10,000 new EVD cases per week by December 2014.[25] Almost all of the cases have occurred in the three initial countries.
Some countries have encountered difficulties in their efforts to control the epidemic.[26] In some areas, people have become suspicious of both the government and hospitals, some of which have been attacked by angry protesters who believe either that the disease is a hoax or that the hospitals are responsible for the disease. Many of the areas seriously affected by the outbreak are areas of extreme poverty with limited access to the soap and running water needed to help control the spread of disease.[27] Other factors include reliance on traditional medicine and cultural practices that involve physical contact with the deceased, especially death customs such as washing and kissing[28] the body of the deceased.[29][30][31] Some hospitals lack basic supplies and are understaffed, increasing the chance of staff catching the virus themselves. In August, the WHO reported that ten percent of the dead have been health care workers.[32] By the end of August, the WHO reported that the loss of so many health workers was making it difficult for them to provide sufficient numbers of foreign medical staff.[33] In September, the WHO estimated that the countries' capacity for treating EVD patients was insufficient by the equivalent of 2,122 beds.
By September 2014, Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders (MSF), the largest NGO working in the affected countries, had grown increasingly critical of the international response. Speaking on 3 September, the president of MSF spoke out concerning the lack of assistance from the United Nations member countries saying, "Six months into the worst Ebola epidemic in history, the world is losing the battle to contain it."[34] A United Nations spokesperson stated, "They could stop the Ebola outbreak in West Africa in 6 to 9 months, but only if a 'massive' global response is implemented."[35] The Director-General of the WHO, Margaret Chan, called the outbreak "the largest, most complex and most severe we've ever seen" and said that it is "racing ahead of control efforts".[35] In a 26 September statement, the WHO said, "The Ebola epidemic ravaging parts of West Africa is the most severe acute public health emergency seen in modern times."[36]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_epidemic_in_West_Africa
Public health should be the first concern.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)and we have a tendency to attack hospitals to snatch away our sick relatives.
OK, gotcha.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)MontyPow
(285 posts)Quarantine flu patients NOW! It's a public health issue and is reasonable.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)But, you don't seem to understand what it means to be an anti-Obama critic, or to constantly bash any of the other Democrats that are elected to office in this country.
It's quite simple, really.
Whatever they do, just criticize the hell out of it by writing something that tugs at the heartstrings, while simultaneously reaching for the flag in a patriotic manner hoping to attract the attention of the masses.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Where, exactly and precisely, is Obama criticized in this article?
Christie? Yes.
Cuomo? Yes.
Obama?
Your tired-ass same-shit-every-day script is getting a tad ragged, Hogwash.
Hogwash.
Christ. Your screen name announces your content.
Thanks for kicking my thread.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I didn't want to get another 3rd-grade level response from you like I did the last time.
As for this comment:
Your tired-ass same-shit-every-day script is getting a tad ragged, Hogwash.
I don't understand why you even bother to reply to me.
Unless it's all about this:
Thanks for kicking my thread.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)You annoy the ever-loving crap out of me, as I clearly do to you, but this was my mistake. I read your response as a direct reply, which it was not. I apologize.
Here's the part where I thank myself for kicking my thread.
Derp.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Yet, it is obvious why you said this:
Here's the part where I thank myself for kicking my thread.
Derp.
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SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)So, another kick for your thread, William!
Nice column, btw.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)put my mind at ease.
Ebola can be stopped daily by providing Medicare for all.
alterfurz
(2,474 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)MontyPow
(285 posts)When are we going to STOP APPEASING THE IGNORAMUSES?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)weaker than you are. Why, you're nothing but a great big coward!" Dorothy, Wizard of Oz.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)For me it is like a rerun. Boo!
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,388 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)just shoot them all!
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)on Pox News viewers who are fearful and essentially ignorant and deficient on critical thinking skills. Easily duped fearful morons are their own worst enemies.
Pox has created a culture of professional victims. Frankly, I'm tired of their whining.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)after this poor show of leadership skills.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Someone was going to say it; may as well be me. Nice op-ed.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)that's what waits for anyone who dares to fight convention to make the world a better place.
It's easy to see how a selfless nurse helping to treat a disease epidemic makes rich douchebags uncomfortable.
So they beat her up.
Now they feel a little better.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)I can see the cowards from my veranda.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)and I will rec as well.
Great post. Thank you.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)BTW: I met a FOX "News" viewer who said we should just turn those countries into glass.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)if the medical officials who initiated the quarantine had actually done something egregious? The only cowards I see in this situation are the ones braying loudly about others taking care to make sure that Ebola is contained.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Now, it's all political.
Which means Dems should be running on "Obamacre saved us from ebola",
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Everything vacillates between a photo-opt and a run From responsibility to these people .
marble falls
(57,081 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Good for you.