Post birth abortion? Anybody heard of this?

[leftyladyfrommo]

I just read an article about this on a so-called school paper. It said that this idea was spreading among college students. Some even support killing a child up to 5 years old because they are still not aware.

Am thinking this a shill article. See whathappens if you allow prebirth abortions? Opens thegates of hell.

These people will try anything nomatter how stupid. Next I'll be hearing this from my Bible believing friends. Sounds just like something they would run with.

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/19896

[dilby]

1. Texas just performed 2 Post Birth Abortions and the people were well past the age of 5.

Except for the death penalty I don't think you have anything to worry about, this sounds like bullshit.

[dorkzilla]

2. Its bullshit. No such thing nt

[Brickbat]

3. ROFLMAO.

[Agschmid]

4. Yes it's called the death penalty.

See I made it all better.

Stupid "news" story being pushed, and half of America will fall for it.

[Dont call me Shirley]

5. That is just nuts! The women hating Fundies trying to scare the bejeezis out of their loyalists.

One fabrication, is that children before 5 are not aware. WTF! I have children and they were aware the moment of birth, eyes open, responding and all other manner of awarenesses. So children before the age of 5 don't smile, reach, crawl, laugh, speak, cry, feel, learn, play!?

Crazy-makers that's what these ant-abortion women haters are, crazy-makers!

[Brickbat]

6. Probably something like this.

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/19896/

A trend seen by prolife activists that frequently engage college students on campuses nationwide is the growing acceptance of post-birth abortion, or killing the infant after he or she is born, campus prolife outreach leaders tell The College Fix.

Anecdotal evidence by leaders of prolife groups such as Created Equal and Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust said in interviews that not only do they see more college students willing to say they support post-birth abortion, but some students even suggest children up to 4 or 5-years-old can also be killed, because they are not yet “self aware.”

“We encounter people who think it is morally acceptable to kill babies after birth on a regular basis at almost every campus we visit,” said Mark Harrington, director of Created Equal. “While this viewpoint is still seen as shocking by most people, it is becoming increasingly popular.”

Campuses where the high school, college students, local activists and staff members of Created Equal have encountered this opinion include Purdue, University of Minnesota, and University of Central Florida. And at Ohio State earlier this year, the group captured a debate on videobetween one of its members and an older woman on campus who defended infanticide.

[gollygee]

7. Never heard of it

Abort means end, and it's specifically talking about ending a pregnancy.

[Glassunion]

8. I have not heard of this "support for killing a child up to 5 years old"

But I think the "post-birth abortion" stems from the rare situations where a fetus is being terminated, however it survives the procedure. Then the ramifications of whether or not the physician performing the abortion has a duty to attempt to save the life of the fetus.

[unblock]

17. i remember this from a college philosophy course

the point, of course, was not to advocate for this position, but to clarify what justifies abortion and what doesn't.

by contemplating the difference between a pre- and post- birth "abortion", we can see what it is about pre-birth abortions that are acceptable (to many people) whereas post-birth "abortions" are not. there are a number of philosophical differences, but the one generally considered the most important is that after birth, the other being is outside the woman's body and no longer specifically dependent on that particular person.

the typical conclusion is that prior to birth, or prior to the point of fetal survivability, the woman has the right to control her body and have the fetus removed, even if it knowingly causes the death of the fetus.

one position is that after birth, a baby doesn't actually acquire a genuine right to life until it becomes a "moral agent", which requires a certain level of social awareness. however, no one has the right to end that life, so infanticide is still not justified.


fun fodder for sophomore all-nighters.

[shenmue]

9. This is some bullshit

[Jenoch]

10. The only 'post birth abortion' I remember

happened in Philadelphia.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell

[jmowreader]

11. Look close at the article; it references "anecdotal evidence."

In other words, they pulled it out of their asses.

[hifiguy]

20. "Anecdotal evidence" = Bullshit

about 998 times out of 1000.

[merrily]

12. A student publication for the "right minded" Why would you even post that here? Nothing on alien

abductions today?

[unblock]

13. college is for having all night discussions about all sorts of crazy shit

doesn't mean anything comes of it.

[mahina]

14. Maybe they were trolls.

That's trollish, so they could be.

[JHB]

15. I see a lot of secondhand claims by someone with an agenda...

...on an avowedly right-wing outlet.

Is there any doubt it's a shilling article?

[OilemFirchen]

16. "up to 4 or 5-years-old"?

Wow. They're practically inedible past age two.

College kids these days...

[Iggo]

18. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

[karynnj]

19. It is pretty obvious where this nonsense originated -- people against abortion

Come on -- "post birth" "up to 5"

If you had something like 10 posts, I would have alerted just because it was obvious RW garbage.

[merrily]

26. I mad the same call. Maybe we were both wrong.

The OP has not been back. If I were the Op, I would be so embarrassed to have posted something so obviously bogus to everyone else, I would have deleted it and let the thread sink like a stone, wouldn't you?

[karynnj]

27. yes

[Kalidurga]

21. No one has heard of it because it's a made up thing

It's typical of the RW more love the fetus hate the child BS.

[YarnAddict]

22. Found this article on Slate

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2012/03/after_birth_abortion_the_pro_choice_case_for_infanticide_.html

Just when you thought the religious right couldn’t get any crazier, with its personhood amendments and its attacks on contraception, here comes the academic left with an even crazier idea: after-birth abortion.

No, I didn’t make this up. “Partial-birth abortion” is a term invented by pro-lifers. But “after-birth abortion” is a term invented by two philosophers, Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva. In the Journal of Medical Ethics, they propose:

[W]hen circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible. … [W]e propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide,’ to emphasize that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus … rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk.

[OilemFirchen]

24. Curiously...

from this Wikipedia entry:

The Church of England submission to the enquiry supported the view that doctors should be given the right to withhold treatment from seriously disabled newborn babies in exceptional circumstances, and the Christian Medical Fellowship stated that when treatment would be "a burden" this was not euthanasia.

It's an interesting debate. Looks like Belgium is the only country having codified the notion.

[maced666]

23. Yea - murder.

Sounds made up.

[smirkymonkey]

25. I can think of some right-wing politicians for whom I would

approve of this procedure for.