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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:37 PM Oct 2014

The Problem With That Catcalling Video

Last edited Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:27 PM - Edit history (1)

On Tuesday, Slate and everyone else posted a video of a woman who is harassed more than 100 times by men as she walks around New York City for 10 hours. More specifically, it’s a video of a young white woman who is harassed by mostly black and Latino men as she walks around New York City for 10 hours. The one dude who turns around and says, “Nice,” is white, but the guys who do the most egregious things—like the one who harangues her, “Somebody’s acknowledging you for being beautiful! You should say thank you more,” or the one who follows her down the street too closely for five whole minutes—are not.

This doesn’t mean that the video doesn’t still effectively make its point: that a woman can’t walk down the street lost in her own thoughts, that men feel totally free to demand her attention and get annoyed when she doesn’t respond, that a woman can’t be at ease in public spaces in the same way a man can. But the video also unintentionally makes another point: that harassers are mostly black and Latino, and hanging out on the streets in midday in clothes that suggest they are not on their lunch break. As Roxane Gay tweeted, “The racial politics of the video are fucked up. Like, she didn’t walk through any white neighborhoods?”

The video is a collaboration between Hollaback, an anti-street harassment organization, and the marketing agency Rob Bliss Creative. At the end they claim the woman experienced 100-plus incidents of harassment “involving people of all backgrounds.” Since that obviously doesn’t show up in the video, Bliss addressed it in a post. He wrote, “We got a fair amount of white guys, but for whatever reason, a lot of what they said was in passing, or off camera,” or was ruined by a siren or other noise. The final product, he writes, “is not a perfect representation of everything that happened.” That may be true but if you find yourself editing out all the catcalling white guys, maybe you should try another take.


This is not the first time Bliss has been called out for race blindness. In a video to promote Grand Rapids, Michigan, he was criticized for making a city that’s a third minority and a quarter poor look like it was filled with people who have “been reincarnated from those peppy family-style 1970s musical acts from Disney World or Knott’s Berry Farm,” as a local blogger wrote.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/10/29/catcalling_video_hollaback_s_look_at_street_harassment_in_nyc_edited_out.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_ru

EDIT: and this piece raises even more questions: http://jezebel.com/christine-quinn-cant-be-anti-street-harassment-but-pro-1172794405

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Warpy

(111,338 posts)
1. "attire that suggests they're not on lunch break?"
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:56 PM
Oct 2014

OH FFS!!!!!

A lot of women dress just like that on the job. There was nothing about her clothing to invite men trying to intrude into her space and her thoughts. Nothing.

What men consistently miss about this video is that it is of an ordinary woman whose sole purpose is to walk down a public street to get from one place to another. No matter what is said to her, she owes nothing to any of those men, not the slightest bit of acknowledgment, not a glance, not even a shrug. They have no claim on her time, her space, her thoughts and especially her facial expression. She is, to put it mildly, none of their goddamned business.

Men seem to miss how much this stuff wears a woman out, wears her down, makes her uninterested in males as a whole.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
2. I think the writer was referring to the attire of the men...
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:59 PM
Oct 2014

A little jab to indicate that they probably weren't exactly white-collar...

Warpy

(111,338 posts)
15. Most of them looked like they worked for a living
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:44 PM
Oct 2014

Even in NYC, not everybody works in an office.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. She was minding her own business
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:00 PM
Oct 2014

walking down the street. The kind of behavior she was subjected to is revolting and disgusting.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
6. The writer isn't disputing that...
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:02 PM
Oct 2014

But if it is true that the filmmaker edited out a disproportional number of white dudes, then I've got some serious questions...

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
10. It should be easy enough to do over with a Black woman walking through the predominately
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:05 PM
Oct 2014

black sections of NYC or Hispanic/Puerto Rican.

I understand your issue with this.

I am just saying it is easily translated no matter the race.

You do have a valid point, Blue_Tires.

Warpy

(111,338 posts)
8. It's outrageous
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:03 PM
Oct 2014

and men know it. I remember some of the reactions I'd see when some straight guy would wander in to one of the old pre Stonewall gay cruising areas in the city and other men would try to intrude on their space. Men get violent.

We just stiffen our backs and walk on, hoping the shithead doesn't try to drag us into an alley.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
7. There is a lot of crossover with sexism/racism but, throughout history I really think sexism trumps
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:03 PM
Oct 2014

all ...

Societies all over, no matter, the men have pretty much ruled. As we traveled and found other races and warred and raped and pillaged is the beginning of racism and how men used it to promote continued sexism.

Warpy

(111,338 posts)
9. My friends are across the human rainbow
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:05 PM
Oct 2014

and I remember many a discussion when they'd attribute some slight to racism and I'd have to tell them it happened to me, too.

Sexism is pervasive. Racism really isn't, too many people know it's bullshit and try to avoid showing all the crap they were fed as children.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
11. I guess the question is was the editing selective?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:41 PM
Oct 2014

If whites were edited out eithrer intentionally or unintentionally, the the article has a point. If the editing was fair, and most of the catcalling men were black and Latino, then I dont see a problem.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
14. Standard Progression
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 05:23 PM
Oct 2014

Basically when confronted with information that is significantly different than a preconceived result, the first instinct is to check the accuracy of the information.

Technically it is a valid activity. It's some times called a "sanity check". Is the information consistent with what "we already know". The trick is of course to ensure that "what you already know" is actually also accurate.

In this case, I'm afraid that too many people do not realize the magnitude of what is going on. So when presented with the information, their first reaction is to doubt it.

When I first met my wife, I was amazed at how men would act as soon as I got more than 10 feet away in public places. Admittedly, she had gotten so good at "not hearing it" that she literally didn't "notice". Frequently though, they were so intrusive that they could not be ignored. Some of the lines were classic too and I occasionally will use one when I meet up with her in a public place.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
17. Why would they edit out instances of harassment?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:12 PM
Oct 2014

Seems like a video twice as long would be an even better way to prove the point.

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