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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Accept Defeat" <--- newest DCCC fundraising email
^^^ email I just got from the DCCC ^^^
...so I'm going to vote my ass off on Tuesday, and I'm sure you are, as well.
If it goes poorly for us, and you come here, and there are 50 threads saying YOU PEOPLE WHO CRITICIZED PRESIDENT OBAMA ARE THE REASON WE LOST WHAAAAAARGARBL, or some permutation thereof...
...remember that the DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE sent out eleventy billion emails explaining how there is no hope, and all is lost, so "go home." <--- direct quote
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
- President Theodore Roosevelt
It ain't our fault, folks. If it goes sideways, I invite you to "Shhh" in advance.
Vote.
elleng
(130,891 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Because clearly, figuring out who to blame if we lose, is far more important than the actual impact of the GOP winning.
And either way ... there's still plenty of time to attack the President.
Which is far more important than anything else anyway.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Yup.
Derp.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Multiple choice question ...
1) hurt the Dems win next week
2) help the Dems win next week
3) have no impact next week
The answer is: 1, or 3, but certainly not 2.
In other words, you may not be hurting our chances next week, but you certainly are not helping.
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the Left will be blamed. The Non-Left has already set the stage with OP after OP about the Left claiming to stay home. Complete lies of course. It's almost as if the Non-Left wants the GOP to win so they can do their self-righteous dance and once more burn Ralph Nader in effigy.
What is hurting the Party is the conservative stances by some of the Democratic leaders and their sycophants. When Democrats embrace fracking, something that is hurting millions of the 99%, what are the American people to think? The Republicans embrace fracking and unless Democratic candidates oppose fracking, what are the American people to think?
If you want to get the general public to the polls, tell your Democratic candidates to proudly stand against Conservative policies like fracking, Free Trade and secret Trade Agreements, the environmentally dangerous XL Pipeline, torture, drone killing, continued war in the middle east, the continuation of the war on drugs, the assault on education (Arnie Duncan), and the overly powerful NSA/CIA Security State.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Problem is, it seems like the current administration (and Hillary) are FOR those things.
Oh, and I already voted, down here in Florida. Straight Dem. Even though to some here, all Floridians are stoopid and I am a Lefty.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... win.
The OP, like so many around here, thinks this is all about him. Is he going to be blamed?
Right now, we should all be focused on GOTV efforts.
Sure, whining about how terrible all the Democratic candidates are is fun, but maybe for a few days we could focus on what actually matters and will make a difference right now.
Or ... you can start arguments about who to blame if the Dems lose, as if THAT is the priority.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Thank you for this on an otherwise boring day. There is good potential here...
Autumn
(45,066 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)is currently in the bathroom hugging the base of the toilet bowl and weeping piteously because Martha Coakley is about to blow another gimme election in Massachusetts, and Shaheen vs. Brown is a dead heat here in NH...but I think Shaheen pulls it out due to the carpetbagger issue, even as I think Baker cruises to victory in MA.
Any given Tuesday. We'll see.
BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)At least Coakley will have failed upwards for the last time.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)She never seems to want the win. And who keeps giving her these chances to fuck up? Is she really the best the MA dems can come up with?
valerief
(53,235 posts)dembotoz
(16,802 posts)sooooo sick of those emails
chicken little.....
n2doc
(47,953 posts)kdmorris
(5,649 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Points! And one internets.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)We'll triple match your donation!
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)I don't have to agree with the President 100% of the time to belong to the Democratic party. I don't have to agree with every Democrat 100% to belong to it. I already belong to it, as does WillPitt, so kindly take your own advice.
albino65
(484 posts)but if I offended, WHAAAAAARGARBL
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Not.
albino65
(484 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)It can get you banned.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)What problem would that be, exactly?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)my friend.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)'Cause it seems like a big fail. Could it be that idiots out there are ACTUALLY giving tons due to this sad message?
...hard to even imagine.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Politically, the objective on both sides is to blame Congress while not actually doing anything that upsets the corporate and lobbyist masters. They love being able to point fingers, it just sucks, though, when they have to vote on the things the people who put them in office tell them to do.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)When will the rest of the country catch on?
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Anything like that for us working (or non-working) stiffs?
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)catbyte
(34,376 posts)vote. I got over it.
BKH70041
(961 posts)So far I have:
1) The election was stolen
2) You who criticized the President are the reason we lost
What others can I expect?
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)If you don't like the third way, you are totally unrealistic
If you want the Dems to help ( and not just to talk) the unions, you are old fashioned: Those times are gone!
Since money decides the elections, you probably did not give enough to the Dems: What a disgrace!
If you do not support and believe in your Dem. candidate 100%, you must be an independent: Shame on you!
Do I need to go on?
BKH70041
(961 posts)"Do I need to go on?"
That would be great. Chances are I'll run into others on my own. But if you, or maybe others who were here during the 2000, 2004, & 2010 election cycle, could express others that we all can expect to read here, that would be super.
LeftInTX
(25,288 posts)Voters won't be enthusiastic unless real progressives are on the ballot.
BKH70041
(961 posts)I had one poster above suggest (in a way) that would be a broader interpretation of #2, but I think it deserves it's own mention.
3. The party has moved too far right/isn't progressive enough.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)is because they polish the same turd before and after an election, given that any and all criticisms regardless of the time are motivated by the same dark, well defined by them reasons. I'm sure I need not provide a list of them or the labels/characerizations that accompany them.
That's because they share the same common denominator -- stifling dissent/projecting their treason onto us.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)I don't understand what they think they are accomplishing. They are violating one of the fundamental rules of fundraising - any kind of fundraising - which says that you should do whatever you can to make donors feel good about donating, and you must never, ever try to make them feel guilty if they don't. Whoever is in charge of this fundraising campaign ought to have been fired at least a month ago.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I press "unsubscribe," but the hits just keep on keeping on. "Out, damned spot" my ass.
QC
(26,371 posts)What a pleasure it was to cast a vote against Rick "Reptilicus" Scott and my teabagger congressman, and for wilderness conservation and progress toward a sane marijuana policy.
Felt real good.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Election season is full of surprises. As a registered (but essentially skeptical) Democrat and former campaign worker, Im used to seeing odd, sometimes aggressive or misleading messaging strategies and get-out-the-vote tactics.
Still, imagine my surprise to open my mailbox on Wednesday night to this bizarre, hostile letter from the New York State Democratic Committee, the very people Im supposed to be voting for on November 4.
Our records indicate that you are registered in New York County. Who you vote for is your secret. But whether or not you vote is public record. Many organizations monitor turnout in your neighborhood and are disappointed by the inconsistent voting of many of your neighbors.
We will be reviewing the New York County official voting records after the upcoming election to determine whether you joined your neighbors who voted in 2014. If you do note vote this year, we will be interested to hear why not.
I guess, given the fact that the mailers have proven utility, Democrats that complain about them might be being a little hypocritical. Still, its a little disturbing that New York Democrats feel the need to pull a tactic straight from the dark side: THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS WATCHING. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS EYES EVERYWHERE.
http://thedailybanter.com/2014/10/new-york-democrats-threatening/
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)I will rec if so.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)I find it creepy and off-putting.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)The majority of Americans that have faced defeat have yet to succumb. Let's try to keep it that way.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Unsubscribe is your friend.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)batshit fucking insane, that is all i have to say.
MuseRider
(34,107 posts)I was going to post a bunch of smilies showing my appreciation but am afraid anymore for whatever I say to be taken sideways and I just don't have the heart anymore to deal with this place.
It is SO not anyone's fault who have been doing what any type of democratic government demands or requires, making noise.
You see, I have a book that sits where I can see it every day. The Greatest Sedition is Silence, by William Rivers Pitt
It was written during quite a different time and was very popular around here...then. Now the silence part would be considered required if all you had to say was "bashing" (oh how I have come to detest that word and the people who misuse it).
Damned fine book Will. I read it on a long flight in between unwanted conversation with my seatmate, Ted Stevens That man could talk without breathing I swear.
Different time, different topics but the needs of our government still require it.
I have been around the bend several times over the long last 12 years or so with wondering what the hell you were on about but it all comes down to this, that book and that title hit me like a ton of bricks. I have never been the same since then, good or bad depends on how effective I am, lol.
Be patriotic folks, MAKE your damned government work for you. Otherwise this is what we get.
Thanks Will. This is the craziest stuff I have ever seen, crazier even that some of what has been coming out of Kansas the last few months and THAT is a hard crazy to beat.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)That is all we have to offer.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Some can't wait to use it.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)and reaches surrealism as the corporatist faction here spews accusations that *liberals* are trying to depress turnout by talking about the policies/representation we expect from Democrats.
The ONLY people I see deliberately trying to reduce turnout are the corporate faction of the party. In fact, I can't *ever* remember seeing such a sustained, relentless, and deliberate effort to discourage, demoralize, and outright attack the base of the party. It makes no sense whatsoever, until you realize that corporate politicians depend on divided government in order to be able to continue to claim to the electorate that they cannot stop predatory corporate policies.
Rex
(65,616 posts)They have no idea how to budget money or stress oversight, just like the tea party. THEY are the ones running around saying Shows Over, don't bother to vote - yet less than a month ago were beating over the heads every liberal they could get a hold of. Yelling at us to toe the line...a month later here they are saying we lost already. Their narrative is pathetic.
I'm sure people with a 5 minute attention span don't notice, but the rest of us sure do!
Rex
(65,616 posts)So sick of the Doom and Gloomers AND I notice which segment of the party it is - hint - it ain't the moderates or liberals saying it.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Always watch the patterns...
Rex
(65,616 posts)I blame cable TV for most of it.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)My guess is that a helluva lot more moderates will vote "R" than progressives/leftists will.