I don't worship doctors, but i do worship doctors/nurses/other people

[La Lioness Priyanka]

who deliberately put themselves in harms way to help people and stop the spread of a deadly virus.

they do something that i neither have the skill-set to do, nor the guts.

so yes, i believe the guy who goes out of his way to help people will not come home and deliberately infect his own city. And that as citizens of NYC we should stand by our heroes, given that they are so few and far between.

[arcane1]

1. That calm rationality has NO place here!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. lol.

[closeupready]

3. Completely agree. As he said, are you sure you're on the right forum?

[HereSince1628]

4. I think it's possible for people who do heroic things

to not always be able sustain that heroism in all subsequent aspects of their lives.

But then, heroism itself is a floating designator applied circumstantially by outsiders, except for the case of narcissistic heroism...in which case we must ask is it heroism or the narcissism...

At any rate, inconsistency isn't uncommon. Thank god for the moments when heroes are heroic, and empathize with them during the times they act just like the rest of us.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

5. this isn't a one time unthought of heroism. working with MSF is a commitment

that is not a random act of narcissistic heroism.

[HereSince1628]

6. I'm cool with you choosing to focus on what moves you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. not really all that moves me. there is no clear reason

to suspend people's civil rights. we should be careful when we do that and not depend on hysteria

[HereSince1628]

12. Yes, we should, but there are alternatives to the approach chosen

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. none really that dont infringe on a person's civil rights and is scientifically necessary

[HereSince1628]

21. That's multiple issues, and science is a red herring

regulatory authority can be challenged, either by appeals to the agency or the court

Such appeals don't infringe on "civil liberty" but seek relief back to civil liberty

The problem isn't failure to recognize a scientific truth. The problem is focusing on an overly simplistic yet airtight scientific truth...you can't get infected with a virus that isn't present

Quarantines are intended to make viruses absent in the community at large. They actually do conform to simplistic but utterly true versions of scientific fact.

The policy problem and people's objection to it is that the quarantine places a huge burden on a person in the form of restricted freedom of movement (a burden that isn't measured by science or is even really a concern of scientists, other than psychologists). The policy provides no benefit to the community in the form of better control of Ebola (control of Ebola in a community is NOT really a concern of science, concerns with such outcomes are, rather, objectives of -applied technology iow, the day to day practices of medicine and public health).

The mandated quarantine in Maine is bad policy not because of science, but because the policy doesn't produce a value to society that exceeds the burden that the policy places on individuals and the community.

The balance of burden and benefit don't come close to a favorable balance

[Fred Sanders]

25. Same thing as saying that science beat out the fear.

Science on one side of the burden to meet the regulatory standards, and fear on the other side.

[HereSince1628]

30. If I understand that...maybe but not necessarily

The policy is based on over reliance and over importance of a scientifically justified fact...absence of virus means absence of new viral infection....

The policy is flawed primarily because it doesn't balance the burden and the benefit.

The policy could be modified in ways that reduce aspects of burden without shifting away from the very simple scientific fact/logic that it's based on. That might make the burden more acceptable.

It's also true that deeper consideration of the known circumstances that contribute to Ebola beomg available to susceptible members of the community could be used (imo would have been better to invoke) to relax the structure of the quarantine...at least in the absence of manifest evidence for increasing the strength of the quarantine.

Hillcox herself seems reluctant to turn to medical technology to end the crisis. She could do the blood test. But to my knowledge she hasn't, yet. She seems intent on acting out disobedience.

[Fred Sanders]

31. Are you drunk? You missed the point of civil liberties again?

[HereSince1628]

34. Honestly I had trouble making anything intelligible out of your comment

I see we are back to disparaging name calling again.

Are YOU PROJECTING??????

At any rate, name calling typically implies lack of something you deem meaningful to contribute

[Half-Century Man]

8. Not worship, but deep respect.

There are worst descriptions of circumstances around a death than "gave their life saving others".

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. yeah, that.

[Fred Sanders]

16. The word "worship" is another one distorted to suit the propagandists. I agree that worship is the

word to use, let them look up the various definitions.

[Fred Sanders]

10. Thank you. That medical specialists in epidemiology would deliberately come home to possibly or

even remotely infect their loved ones and family and friends and colleagues...is fucked up thinking.

Dr. Spencer does not disprove that, he proves it, no one else is infected, including his close family, and girlfried, and they can not be because he immediately self reported, the fucking story about him "lying" was a desperate ploy by Fox News owned NY Post to attack this central indisputable fact....self monitoring by these professional heroes is effective and the gold standard.

Fuck Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdock and the Kochs, they are a viral menace to America. They attack the character of a super hero because their whole fucking universe of fear is coming undone.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. + 10,000

we just all want to think that we are living these high risk lifestyles and we can contract strange diseases and die from terrorist attacks. in reality, what will kill us is that second cheeseburger.

[Fred Sanders]

14. Fear is clearly central to the GOP, slay the fear, slay the GOP.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. not just the gop. look at all the posts here

calling the health workers arrogant for not wanting unnecessary quarantines etc

[Fred Sanders]

17. They use the word "arrogant" to disguise their own lack of understanding of what it takes to truly

be a medical expert....

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. the left can be just as unscientific as the right. for instance, the anti vaccine movement,

and the ebola hysteria.

[Fred Sanders]

19. I did not know that until recently..shame. We should be the party of science.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. all this ebola hysteria is directly against what the scientists are saying.

[Fred Sanders]

22. To complete the point, science deniers, any of the established science, are not liberals.

[pocoloco]

23. "Fuck Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdock and the Kochs"

....and the dipfucks who believe them!

[Fred Sanders]

24. About 30% on DU is my best guess during this fight over science versus sincere fear. Too many.

[randys1]

28. If you are afraid you arent paying attention to who is stealing everything you have and

and everything your children and grandchildren will ever have, etc.

[randys1]

26. No shit, I dont know if I have that kind of character where I could do that...

[Cryptoad]

27. Ebola

[randys1]

29. +11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111

[Fred Sanders]

33. Please, please post in an OP. Turn this bullshit fear on the bullshitters.

[stopbush]

35. Worship of anything is a bullshit concept. It's for the weak minded...

and there are a lot of weak-minded people around.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. lol.

[Warpy]

36. I'd have joined them if my body had held out long enough

Once I'd inherited enough to live on, I could have provided a lot of continuity of care over long assignments.

The bravest people are the Liberians who are going out to remote villages without protective gear so they don't scare people away, looking for people who are sick and bringing them to hospitals and clinics in vans and SUVs. I am astonished by that level of bravery.

Contrast that with the scared little weenies over here who think they're going to catch it if anyone who has been anywhere on the African continent breathes near them.

Everyone who is fighting this thing from people in US hospitals to people in the hot zone who feel symptoms coming on and leave their families to go to clinics and hospitals with no guarantee of coming out, just so their families will stay healthy, are heroes.

Cracked.com has a great article on where a lot of the hype and hysteria are coming from: http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-reasons-ebola-panic-secretly-racist/ Once again, they're making more sense than the rest of the major media.

[Crunchy Frog]

38. I believe that a person can behave heroically in one context

and irresponsibly in another.

Nothing will ever convince me that roaming around all over a big city, going to restaurants, bowling alleys and on subways, when one has been exposed to Ebola, and after one has begun to feel fatigued and "sluggish", is a responsible thing to do.

I don't care how much hate I get on here for expressing this opinion.

[TorchTheWitch]

39. I don't worship anyone

I realize that we're all human with human failings and that even those people I admire have human frailty and may make human mistakes of judgment. I do fault care givers who I see as having a God complex and believe that despite the things they've done that are selfless and noble that they can also not see their own risk factor and potential harm to others, that they can place themselves on a pedestal of being all-knowing and above everyone else and won't hear of anything that contradicts their own actions, thoughts, behavior, etc. that comes from anyone else even those in authority above them and who believe that any of their actions, thoughts and behaviors are always correct and can't/won't recognize that every health issue isn't all about them and their personal desires.

I admire - not worship - those people that put themselves in harms way but won't pretend when they error in judgment about something else that because of their previous noble deeds their errors should be ignored or accepted. To do otherwise is the very problem of hero worship.