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We were a little more skeptical than other certain websites (For example, why would Bushman refer to objects that hes already identified as alien spacecraft as UFOs?), but the French language Canadian website TVQC pointed out that the little alien and Bushman shows in his photos is actually a scary alien doll that you can buy at Walmart.
http://deadstate.org/look-at-this-before-you-share-that-silly-ufo-death-bed-confession-video/
Too many people believe this bullshit artist...
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)An intelligent species evolving on a completely different planet over 100's of millions of years just happens to look like a slightly different version of humans.
God that's an astounding coincidence or a lack of imagination.
longship
(40,416 posts)The aliens that evolved millions of years in another star system look just like the grey aliens in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And furthermore, nearly all the alien reports since then look like them, which attests to the undeniable fact that the UFO reports are a human cultural thing.
IMHO, people reporting space alien encounters just want attention.
However, it is interesting cultural phenomenon, and even kind of fun in some respects.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Proving we are indeed a great species!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Or was that a Charlie Sheen movie?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)they planned to destroy us by GIVING us Charlie Sheen
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)... their version of a trained monkey (or unmanned probe).
I consider it unlikely that the actual ship builders (assuming there are spaceships) would travel in them themselves.
The bipedal life forms used on this planet could just be one tool in the alien's arsenal.
Not that I buy into any of this. Just speculating.
longship
(40,416 posts)mechanical, LASER firing ROBOTS.
Either that, or very hungry (and thirsty) gooey hunks of protoplasm.
You choose. (Appropriate for Halloween weekend.) Myself, I vote for the mechanicals. More insidious.
TampaAnimusVortex
(785 posts)We should have the technology to upload minds this century. Couple that with very quick construction of bodies via nanotech if needed, and it would be almost certain that they would travel while uploaded so they wouldn't need air, water, food, etc...
Besides that, there's no reason to expect anything they send down would be anywhere close to human sized. Why not send down probes the size of a virus?
The whole organic alien stuff is ridiculous on its face.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)You're welcome!
csziggy
(34,139 posts)Everybody's seen them on "The Twilight Zone" and the original "Star Trek!"
Seriously, I think this is where most people got their idea of what aliens were like - no matter than the reason aliens looked like humans in makeup and costumes was that the budgets for those shows (and an huge number of other TV shows and movies was limited and they didn't have the technology to make really alien aliens. Now the limiting factors are lack of imagination and that the public won't believe really alien aliens - unless they are horrific monsters like the ones in the Alien series of movies.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)It's gotta be!
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)It was a very serious and cringe worthy report that indicated that children were visited in the night by their predators(family member) and it was a coping mechanism to deal with the trauma by blaming an alien visitor. Very sad that these people are exploited.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)OBVIOUSLY the government made those dolls AFTER they met the aliens. Make a toy from the image of an alien, thus discrediting anyone who ever posts any pictures of the real aliens.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I like it!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)all of this, but I've always walked away empty handed. I have a very strong scientific background and quite analytical, but I am not a debunker or skeptic, but I always walk away empty handed from all of this stuff, and so much of it is absolutely hocus pocus at this level.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)We murder and poison our environment...we are pretty clueless as a species
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)I do believe he said that if an alien species of a higher order found us, they should "eliminate" us due to our violent ways.
If there are actually aliens out there, maybe they are actually a bit more compassionate and are "containing" us...lol.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)The thing you're obviously going to do is climb into an interstellar SUV and cruise the neighborhood to tease livestock and outdoorsy folk in rural areas.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)those aliens are really teenagers -- or whatever the equivalent age would be for the aliens -- which would make sense. Teens, human teens that is, often do bizarre, stupid, and destructive things. Why not alien teens?
Actually, that's a good s-f novel in the making.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)Douglas Adams could probably make a run with the concept, if he were still around.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs"
TO: Commanding General
This letter was sent out from Air Material Commands (AMC) in response to a request from Brig General Schulgen. As a result of the opinions expressed by Twining, Gen Schulgen issued his now famous Collection Memorandum.
Gen. Twining requested that investigations be conducted that might shed some light on the recent rash of Flying Saucer sightings. In response to the Schugen Collection Memorandum, The Walker Memo was sent to see what field offices could find.
Some proponents view this letter as proof that the Air Force knows that extraterrestrial UFOs exist. The closest the the letter comes to considering alien origin is the opinion that [there is] "The possibility that some foreign nation has a form of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of our domestic knowledge." However, the proponents tend to ignore, or dismiss as an "obvious lie" dictated by the Super Secret Roswell Conspiracy, the instruction that his commanders should consider: "The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the existence of these subjects."
Army Air Force
Washington 25, D.C.
ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen
AC/AS-2
1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered opinion of this command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs." This opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineering Division T-3. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office, Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3.
2. It is the opinion that:
a. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious.
b. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made aircraft.
c. There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.
d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and motion which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
e. The apparent common description is as follows:-
(1) Metallic or light reflecting surface.
(2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances where the object apparently was operating under high performance conditions.
(3) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and domed on top.
(4) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying from three to nine objects.
(5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instances a substantial rumbling roar was noted.
(6) Level flight speeds normally above 300 knots are estimated.
f. It is possible within the present U.S. knowledge -- provided extensive detailed development is undertaken -- to construct a piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub- paragraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of 7000 miles at subsonic speeds.
g. Any development in this country along the lines indicated would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable expense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up independently of existing projects.
h. Due consideration must be given the following:-
(1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic origin - the product of some high security project not known to AC/AS-2 or this Command.
(2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the existence of these subjects.
(3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of our domestic knowledge.
3. It is recommended that:-
a. Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning a priority, security classification and Code name for a detailed study of this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available and pertinent data which will then be made available to the Army, Navy, Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group, NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommendations, with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt of the data and a detailed report thereafter every 30 days as the investigation develops. A complete interchange of data should be affected.
4. Awaiting a specific directive AMC will continue the investigation within its current resources in order to more closely define the nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Information will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.
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The Twining Memorandum: http://www.roswellfiles.com/FOIA/twining.htm
Links, etc: http://www.visioninconsciousness.org/UFOs_ETs_10.htm
Of course, if there's one thing we've learned since then, it's the government and news media always tell the truth. Right?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...or his RIO, 2nd Lt. Robert R. Wilson?
Radar operator stated he watched the aircraft approach the UFO; then saw the two blips merge into one return on his scope; which then took off at a high rate of speed and out of radar range.
http://www.nuforc.org/mancla.html
No remains of the crew or wreckage of the F-89C have been found.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)He defeated the invaders back in the 50s using an anti magnetic weapon.
But not before they did some serious damage to Washington.
Here's a chilling photo from the documentary.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)His late father holds the missing flyer's picture:
Delta Sierra Juliet? Do you read?
Boats and aircraft have found no trace of the 20-year old Australian pilot who disappeared with his plane on Saturday night after radioing that he was being chased by a UFO. Frederick Valentich was on a 125 mile training flight in his single engine Cessna 182 along the coast of Bass Strait when he told air traffic controllers in Melbourne that he was being buzzed by a UFO with 4 bright lights about 1000 feet above him.
Controllers said his last message was taped and was: "It's approaching from due east towards me. It seems to be playing some sort of game... flying at a speed I can't estimate. It's not an aircraft. It's...It is flying past. It is a long shape. I cannot identify more than that. It's coming for me right now." A minute later: "It seems to be stationary. I'm also orbiting and the thing is orbiting on top of me also. It has a green light and a sort of metallic light on the outside." Valentich then radioed that his engine was running roughly. His last words were: "It is not an aircraft."
The Australian Air Force said it had received 11 reports from people along the coast who said they saw UFOs on Saturday night, but the Transport Department was skeptical. Ken Williams, a spokesman for the department, said, "It's funny all these people ringing up with UFO reports well after Valentich's disappearance. It seems people often decide after the event, they too had seen strange lights. But although we can't take them too seriously, we can never discourgae such reports when investigating a plane's disappearance."
SNIP...
[font size="5"]ACTUAL TRANSCRIPTION OF MELBOURNE FLIGHT SERVICE [/font size]
The transcript portion of the communication between Valentich and Melbourne Flight Service as released by the Australian Department of Transport follows: (FS - Flight Service, DSJ - Frederick Valentich aircraft designation).
1906:14 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.
1906:44 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, What type of aircraft is it?
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, it seems to me like landing lights.
1907 FS Delta Sierra Juliet.
1907:31 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed?
DSJ Er-unknown, due to the speed it's travelling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity?
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.
1908:18 DSJ Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet.
1908:41 DSJ (open microphone for two seconds.)
1908:48 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify.
1909 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level?
DSJ My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft?
DSJ Affirmative.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.
1909:27 DSJ Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).
1909:42 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the -er- aircraft?
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.
1910 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger and how large would the - er - object be?
1910:19 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet
1910:46 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet
1911 DSJ Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it a military aircraft?
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, Confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.
DSJ Say again.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, is the aircraft still with you?
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet; it's (open microphone for two seconds) now approaching from the south-west.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet
1911:50 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, the engine is rough-idling. I've got it set at twenty three twenty-four and the thing is coughing.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions?
DSJ My intentions are - ah - to go to King Island - ah - Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for two seconds). It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet.
1912:28 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet. Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).
SOURCE: http://www.ufocasebook.com/australianpilot.html
You might have it in your Octafish minder log, Dude, as I brought it up on DU2:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1968831#1969974
zappaman
(20,606 posts)In 1996, he uploaded a virus into an alien mothership, thus saving all of us.
His bravery shall not be forgotten!
Have I mentioned this before?
As my official minder, you might know, my friend!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Mantell Case (1948)
EXCERPT...
Mantell was an experienced pilot; his flight history consisted of 2,167 hours in the air, and he had been honored for his part in the Battle of Normandy during World War II.
On 7 January 1948, Godman Field at Fort Knox, Kentucky received a report from the Kentucky Highway Patrol of an unusual aerial object near Maysville, Kentucky. Reports of a westbound circular object, 250 feet (76 m) to 300 feet (91 m) in diameter, were received from Owensboro, Kentucky, and Irvington, Kentucky.
At about 1:45 p.m., Sgt Quinton Blackwell saw an object from his position in the control tower at Fort Knox. Two other witnesses in the tower also reported a white object in the distance. Base commander Colonel Guy Hix reported an object he described as "very white," and "about one fourth the size of the full moon ... Through binoculars it appeared to have a red border at the bottom ... It remained stationary, seemingly, for one and a half hours." Observers at Clinton County Army Air Field in Ohio described the object "as having the appearance of a flaming red cone trailing a gaseous green mist" and observed the object for around 35 minutes. Another observer at Lockbourne Army Air Field in Ohio noted, "Just before leaving it came to very near the ground, staying down for about ten seconds, then climbed at a very fast rate back to its original altitude, 10,000 feet, leveling off and disappearing into the overcast heading 120 degrees. Its speed was greater than 500 mph in level flight."
Four P-51 Mustangs of C Flight, 165th Fighter Squadron Kentucky Air National Guard already in the airone piloted by Mantellwere told to approach the object. Blackwell was in radio communication with the pilots throughout the event.
One pilot's Mustang was low on fuel, and he quickly abandoned his efforts. Air Force Captain Edward J. Ruppelt (the first head of Project Blue Book) notes that there was some disagreement amongst the air traffic controllers as to Mantell's words as he communicated with the tower: some sources reported that Mantell had described an object "[which] looks metallic and of tremendous size," but, according to Ruppelt in The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, others disputed whether or not Mantell actually said this.
The other two pilots accompanied Mantell in steep pursuit of the object. They later reported they saw an object, but described it as so small and indistinct they could not identify it. Mantell ignored suggestions that the pilots should level their altitude and try to more clearly see the object.
Only one of Mantell's companions, Lt. Albert Clemmons, had an oxygen mask, and his oxygen was in low supply. Clemmons and a Lt. Hammond called off their pursuit at 22,500 feet (6,900 m). Mantell continued to climb, however. According to the Air Force, once Mantell passed 25,000 feet (7,600 m) he supposedly blacked out from the lack of oxygen (hypoxia), and his plane began spiraling back towards the ground. A witness later reported Mantell's Mustang in a circling descent. His plane crashed at a farm south of Franklin, Kentucky, on the Tennessee-Kentucky state line.
Firemen later pulled Mantell's body from the Mustang's wreckage. His wristwatch had stopped at 3:18 p.m., the time of his crash. Meanwhile, by 3:50 p.m. the UFO was no longer visible to observers at Godman Field. The Mantell Incident was reported by newspapers around the nation, and received significant news media attention. A number of sensational rumors were also circulated about Mantell's crash. Among the rumors were claims that Mantell's fighter had been shot down by the UFO he was chasing, and that the Air Force covered up evidence proving this. Another rumor stated that Mantell's body was found riddled with strange holes. However, no evidence has ever surfaced to substantiate any of these claims. In 1956, Ruppelt wrote that the Mantell Crash was one of three "classic" UFO cases in 1948 that would help to define the UFO phenomenon in the public mind, and would help to convince Air Force intelligence specialists that UFOs were a "real", physical phenomenon (Ruppelt 30). The other two sightings were the Gorman Dogfight and the Chiles-Whitted UFO Encounter.
CONTINUED...
http://www.mufon.com/mantell-case---1948.html
zappaman
(20,606 posts)He and his buddy Clive Gollings rescued an alien named Paul.
Check out the trailer for the documentary below.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Heck, I've seen the Blue Angels hover in mid air, make right-angle turns, and even vanish before my eyes.
Of course they don't actually do these things, but from certain vantage points and during certain stunts, they can appear to. And I already know what they are, their size, etc.
Having skill as a pilot does not mean one has equal skill interpreting optical illusions.
Then again, maybe this same "aircraft" came back recently and picked up that Malaysian airliner. If actual evidence appeared, I would accept it.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 2, 2014, 07:03 AM - Edit history (1)
possess 100% of all knowledge at this pinnacle of modernity is preposterous and you deserve to be mocked tirelessly for having cited a true life event in a heretical attempt to suggest it, sir.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)For some reason, the unknown really disturbs people.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)and some prefer to shoot the messenger.
Historic NY
(37,457 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Have you seen the shit on that website?
Sid
Logical
(22,457 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)that the poster in question does not buy into whole-heartedly.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)As for credibility, I'll compare my record to yours, or anyone's, anytime.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)As for Roswell, I did not write a word on it on this thread. Saying I did is not true, Logical.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...and you post movie clips.
Is that where you learned your science?
.
"real evidence"
Sid
Orrex
(63,243 posts)...at least as credible as Octafish's "REAL evidence."
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Post of the week!
Congrats!!!!
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
FormerOstrich
(2,703 posts)they are everywhere!!!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)FormerOstrich
(2,703 posts)hunter
(38,339 posts)... all remarkably human.
The saddest thing about humans is that we share the planet with many other intelligent species, dogs to dolphins, but we feel alone so we create imaginary alien friends and enemies.
bobGandolf
(871 posts)if some day I was shown incontrovertible evidence they have visited, I would not be surprised.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Bipeds rule the universe!
Siwsan
(26,308 posts)Which would make the whole space alien story plausible.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)He's running for office in over 48 states.
Sometimes he has the backing of the Tea Party; in other places he is a Blue Dawgie Dem.
And he is coming for our clean drinking water, and any other part of Earth's environment he can wrestle away from us, the little bit of retirment monies that are left us older folks, and he is also for privatized this, and privatized that.
If you wonder what solar system he hails from, I believe it is that of Alpha Cen Big Corporations, which mainly used to show up some light years away, but now has taken over even our Milky Way.
Warpy
(111,396 posts)here on earth, like the cetaceans, yet we share a planetary reference.
Our chances of communicating with a methane breathing silica based life form on Planet Zorg would be even less likely. Hell, we wouldn't even spot it as living, let alone intelligent.
The human race is really not smart.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Do you think any other form of life could invent Hot Pockets?
gvstn
(2,805 posts)Necessity is the mother of invention: http://firstwefeast.com/laugh/interview-with-the-kid-who-had-sex-with-a-hot-pocket/
temporary311
(955 posts)temporary311
(955 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)spanone
(135,907 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)spanone
(135,907 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)My dad told me all about it when it happened.
The whole world was freaked out.
Glad we all got thru it!
spanone
(135,907 posts)FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)There. Photographic evidence.
Rocket_Scientist65
(30 posts)DON'T believe aliens have visited our world......ANAL PROBES!. I mean surely any advanced civilization would be interested in the inner workings of the human butt.....or maybe not.
Orrex
(63,243 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Perhaps they are the ones responsible for going back in time to melt the starfish???
vincejja
(1 post)Last edited Wed Nov 12, 2014, 10:20 AM - Edit history (1)
That is pretty obviously fake. I mean you can just see that it is made of that usual plastic that most decorations are made of. Oh, and is it supposed to be dead? If so, why the heck are its eyes open?
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gold ira rollover
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)I'm still upset that thread was locked about what was found on Mars last year (don't remember what it was, maybe a rat or something).
BTW, I really miss your rival. spooked911 and yourself had some classic wars on the old DU. Who was your sidekick again, that guy with the Ted Kennedy avatar?
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)LOL. If it was credible it would be on the news 24/7.
It's only credible to people with no understanding of science or biology, that's why those topics are posted in Creative Speculation aka Kook World
zappaman
(20,606 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)From banned poster Ter?
Hmmmmm.
Ter.
Re-Ter.
Reter.
Interesting.
Sid
zappaman
(20,606 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
arcane1
(38,613 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)You don't believe rats could live on Mars?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Rats are hardy, but not THAT hardy
zappaman
(20,606 posts)They could eat the moon!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Probably bedbugs, too.
sagat
(241 posts)Recommended documentary:
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)It's a cookbook!
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)It's a classic.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)We may have been visited by aliens, but i have serious doubts that we'd actually know about it.
And our government surely isn't aware of alien visits or have relations with alien civilizations. There's just no way they couldn't spill the beans.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)with a targeted telekinetic action, if you keep up your irresponsible mockage.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)in War of the Worlds.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)But give the guy credit for having fun with nuts before he kicked the bucket!