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zappaman

(20,606 posts)
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 11:41 AM Nov 2014

Area 51 scientist leaves death bed confession about aliens?

We were a little more skeptical than ‘other’ certain websites (For example, why would Bushman refer to objects that he’s already identified as alien spacecraft as “UFOs”?), but the French language Canadian website TVQC pointed out that the little alien and Bushman shows in his photos is actually a “scary alien doll” that you can buy at Walmart.



http://deadstate.org/look-at-this-before-you-share-that-silly-ufo-death-bed-confession-video/

Too many people believe this bullshit artist...

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Area 51 scientist leaves death bed confession about aliens? (Original Post) zappaman Nov 2014 OP
I think people that believe in aliens visiting the Earth have a profound lack of imagination FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #1
It's worse than that... longship Nov 2014 #4
And the only technology they share with humans is advanced bricklaying arcane1 Nov 2014 #28
As a life-long bricklayer, all I can say to my alien overlords is : Thanks a lot you jerks. panader0 Nov 2014 #32
They wanted us to build everything with large blocks so that we'd be too heavy to discover flight arcane1 Nov 2014 #34
Yet we did. zappaman Nov 2014 #35
That's why Plan B is to wreck our atmosphere by filling it with CO2 arcane1 Nov 2014 #36
Don't be silly... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #61
Unless the aliens that have been seen are..... Motown_Johnny Nov 2014 #42
I've always thought that the first visitors would be... longship Nov 2014 #44
Absolutely. No reason to think a visiting alien race wouldn't be a machine intelligence. TampaAnimusVortex Nov 2014 #84
That invasion was stopped Quackers Nov 2014 #88
Of course aliens look like humans in make up and costumes! csziggy Nov 2014 #7
Yes, life on other worlds light years away developed just like we did! zappaman Nov 2014 #12
An astounding coincidence! zappaman Nov 2014 #23
I recall reading a report that indicated that many are sexual abuse victims. adirondacker Nov 2014 #29
Government is smart, don't fall for it. It's SO Obvious! NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #2
That's a good theory. zappaman Nov 2014 #24
I think many people by nature are very gullible. I've often hoped there was something more to RKP5637 Nov 2014 #3
If I was an alien, I would stay well away from this planet HipChick Nov 2014 #5
We're probably on an intergalactic quarantine list. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #6
Let's hope so..our seas are toxic, its a dumping ground...we leave debris in space too HipChick Nov 2014 #9
... and as a failed experiment. Maybe we are a spectator sport for aliens. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2014 #14
Frank Zappa took it a step further. roamer65 Nov 2014 #46
Because if you're a super-duper advanced civilization IDemo Nov 2014 #8
Maybe, just maybe, SheilaT Nov 2014 #38
I Was a Teenage Xgyrbb IDemo Nov 2014 #40
Glad the old man got to have some fun before he died. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #10
USAF 1947: ''The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious.'' Octafish Nov 2014 #11
Yes! And here's a clip of a documentary that proves it! zappaman Nov 2014 #13
Ever hear of 1st Lt. Felix Moncla, zappaman? Octafish Nov 2014 #21
Ever hear of Dr. Russell Marvin, Brad? zappaman Nov 2014 #22
You ever hear of Frederick Valentich, zappaman? Octafish Nov 2014 #25
Ever hear of Dr. David Levinson, Brad? zappaman Nov 2014 #27
Ever hear of Capt. Thomas Mantell, zappaman? Octafish Nov 2014 #66
Ever hear of Graeme Willy, Brad? zappaman Nov 2014 #76
Funny how he can identify it as "large" without knowing its actual size or distance arcane1 Nov 2014 #33
Everything that can be invented has been invented. Your allusion to the possibility that we do not GoneFishin Nov 2014 #54
Thank you! I wanted to bring up evidence of why this is an important subject. Octafish Nov 2014 #68
Many have trouble admitting that they don't have an explanation for everything, GoneFishin Nov 2014 #71
Should have stayed in US air space... Historic NY Nov 2014 #52
Vision in Consciousness... SidDithers Nov 2014 #39
FFS, now you claim Roswell is real? With every single post you make you lose some credibility. nt Logical Nov 2014 #50
Don't get him started on crop circles! zappaman Nov 2014 #53
LOL, holy shit. nt Logical Nov 2014 #55
There is literally no conspiracy theory Codeine Nov 2014 #57
Wow, I almost think he is just messing with us. nt Logical Nov 2014 #59
Where did I write that? Octafish Nov 2014 #65
Lol, that is really funny! nt Logical Nov 2014 #67
Saying someone said something they did not is a form of smear. Octafish Nov 2014 #70
DU rec for the predictable response... SidDithers Nov 2014 #15
yup zappaman Nov 2014 #20
Octafish posts REAL evidence.... CanSocDem Nov 2014 #69
... SidDithers Nov 2014 #74
Sid posts REEL evidence... Orrex Nov 2014 #75
"Octafish posts REAL evidence" zappaman Nov 2014 #77
Interesting that some who are duped by one bit of CT nonsense swallow other CT like candy. n/t X_Digger Nov 2014 #60
You've noticed that too, eh?...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #72
According to ancient astronaut theorists..... FormerOstrich Nov 2014 #16
Pretty sure they built the pyramids, right? zappaman Nov 2014 #80
LOL...EXACTLY!! n/t FormerOstrich Nov 2014 #104
Before the aliens we had gods, angels, and demons... hunter Nov 2014 #17
+1000 nt Logical Nov 2014 #56
I don't believe they've visited but, bobGandolf Nov 2014 #18
LOL billions of inhabitable planets out there, yet we all look alike. Rex Nov 2014 #19
Kind of looks like Rick Scott Siwsan Nov 2014 #26
Yep, alien or reptile, hard to tell, Rick Scott. I would not get too close to him. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2014 #31
Why are you saying the guy in the photo ain't real? truedelphi Nov 2014 #30
I point out that we can't communicate with other demonstrably intelligent life Warpy Nov 2014 #37
I disagree. zappaman Nov 2014 #41
Maybe if it were lonely enough. gvstn Nov 2014 #47
Guess no apple pies were available. temporary311 Nov 2014 #49
Certainly not one with any intelligence. temporary311 Nov 2014 #48
gastro-esophageal refluxologiy Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #98
Klaatu barada nikto spanone Nov 2014 #43
Love that documentary! zappaman Nov 2014 #45
yes. it. was superb. spanone Nov 2014 #58
That's the one! zappaman Nov 2014 #63
barely. i was there, but a child. it was a close call. spanone Nov 2014 #64
I have proof we are being visited by aliens from an ice planet FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #51
Two words for all you skeptics who Rocket_Scientist65 Nov 2014 #62
I was hoping that the aliens would explain why all the starfish are melting. Orrex Nov 2014 #73
Well played! zappaman Nov 2014 #78
Pretty obvious... vincejja Nov 2014 #79
Welcome to DU. Eyes are typically open when creatures with eyelids die. uppityperson Nov 2014 #82
And if it was credible, it would be locked and the OP told to post in Creative Speculation Reter Nov 2014 #81
Credible? FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #86
Welcome back! zappaman Nov 2014 #87
This thread?... SidDithers Nov 2014 #89
!!!!!! zappaman Nov 2014 #90
Heheh... SidDithers Nov 2014 #91
The "rat" photo was credible?? arcane1 Nov 2014 #93
What's so funny? zappaman Nov 2014 #94
Without cheese on Mars to eat? arcane1 Nov 2014 #97
Yes, but... zappaman Nov 2014 #102
Dammit! I always forget that minor detail. arcane1 Nov 2014 #103
Rats on Mars? MAN, AINT THAT A KICK IN THE ASS. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #95
nah brah, it was a mouse. sagat Nov 2014 #99
Aliens come to serve Man Kilgore Nov 2014 #83
Holy shit! zappaman Nov 2014 #92
Eat! We don't want you to loose weight! Kilgore Nov 2014 #100
I just don't think they could keep it a secret. Calista241 Nov 2014 #85
Star Person Incarnate Fran is gonna kick your ass Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #96
Well, Jeez, HG Wells did better than that at avoiding anthropomorphism Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #101
Many have. zappaman Nov 2014 #105

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
1. I think people that believe in aliens visiting the Earth have a profound lack of imagination
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 11:50 AM
Nov 2014

An intelligent species evolving on a completely different planet over 100's of millions of years just happens to look like a slightly different version of humans.

God that's an astounding coincidence or a lack of imagination.

longship

(40,416 posts)
4. It's worse than that...
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 11:59 AM
Nov 2014

The aliens that evolved millions of years in another star system look just like the grey aliens in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And furthermore, nearly all the alien reports since then look like them, which attests to the undeniable fact that the UFO reports are a human cultural thing.

IMHO, people reporting space alien encounters just want attention.

However, it is interesting cultural phenomenon, and even kind of fun in some respects.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
34. They wanted us to build everything with large blocks so that we'd be too heavy to discover flight
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 05:00 PM
Nov 2014
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
36. That's why Plan B is to wreck our atmosphere by filling it with CO2
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 06:38 PM
Nov 2014

Or was that a Charlie Sheen movie?

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
42. Unless the aliens that have been seen are.....
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 07:40 PM
Nov 2014

... their version of a trained monkey (or unmanned probe).

I consider it unlikely that the actual ship builders (assuming there are spaceships) would travel in them themselves.

The bipedal life forms used on this planet could just be one tool in the alien's arsenal.

Not that I buy into any of this. Just speculating.



longship

(40,416 posts)
44. I've always thought that the first visitors would be...
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 07:59 PM
Nov 2014

mechanical, LASER firing ROBOTS.

Either that, or very hungry (and thirsty) gooey hunks of protoplasm.

You choose. (Appropriate for Halloween weekend.) Myself, I vote for the mechanicals. More insidious.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
84. Absolutely. No reason to think a visiting alien race wouldn't be a machine intelligence.
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 02:28 PM
Nov 2014

We should have the technology to upload minds this century. Couple that with very quick construction of bodies via nanotech if needed, and it would be almost certain that they would travel while uploaded so they wouldn't need air, water, food, etc...

Besides that, there's no reason to expect anything they send down would be anywhere close to human sized. Why not send down probes the size of a virus?

The whole organic alien stuff is ridiculous on its face.

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
7. Of course aliens look like humans in make up and costumes!
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 12:09 PM
Nov 2014

Everybody's seen them on "The Twilight Zone" and the original "Star Trek!"

Seriously, I think this is where most people got their idea of what aliens were like - no matter than the reason aliens looked like humans in makeup and costumes was that the budgets for those shows (and an huge number of other TV shows and movies was limited and they didn't have the technology to make really alien aliens. Now the limiting factors are lack of imagination and that the public won't believe really alien aliens - unless they are horrific monsters like the ones in the Alien series of movies.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
29. I recall reading a report that indicated that many are sexual abuse victims.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 04:51 PM
Nov 2014

It was a very serious and cringe worthy report that indicated that children were visited in the night by their predators(family member) and it was a coping mechanism to deal with the trauma by blaming an alien visitor. Very sad that these people are exploited.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Government is smart, don't fall for it. It's SO Obvious!
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 11:50 AM
Nov 2014

OBVIOUSLY the government made those dolls AFTER they met the aliens. Make a toy from the image of an alien, thus discrediting anyone who ever posts any pictures of the real aliens.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
3. I think many people by nature are very gullible. I've often hoped there was something more to
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 11:54 AM
Nov 2014

all of this, but I've always walked away empty handed. I have a very strong scientific background and quite analytical, but I am not a debunker or skeptic, but I always walk away empty handed from all of this stuff, and so much of it is absolutely hocus pocus at this level.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
5. If I was an alien, I would stay well away from this planet
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 12:02 PM
Nov 2014

We murder and poison our environment...we are pretty clueless as a species

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
46. Frank Zappa took it a step further.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 08:13 PM
Nov 2014

I do believe he said that if an alien species of a higher order found us, they should "eliminate" us due to our violent ways.

If there are actually aliens out there, maybe they are actually a bit more compassionate and are "containing" us...lol.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
8. Because if you're a super-duper advanced civilization
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 12:10 PM
Nov 2014

The thing you're obviously going to do is climb into an interstellar SUV and cruise the neighborhood to tease livestock and outdoorsy folk in rural areas.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
38. Maybe, just maybe,
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 06:50 PM
Nov 2014

those aliens are really teenagers -- or whatever the equivalent age would be for the aliens -- which would make sense. Teens, human teens that is, often do bizarre, stupid, and destructive things. Why not alien teens?

Actually, that's a good s-f novel in the making.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
40. I Was a Teenage Xgyrbb
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 06:58 PM
Nov 2014

Douglas Adams could probably make a run with the concept, if he were still around.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. USAF 1947: ''The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious.''
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 12:31 PM
Nov 2014

SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs"

TO: Commanding General

This letter was sent out from Air Material Commands (AMC) in response to a request from Brig General Schulgen. As a result of the opinions expressed by Twining, Gen Schulgen issued his now famous Collection Memorandum.

Gen. Twining requested that investigations be conducted that might shed some light on the recent rash of Flying Saucer sightings. In response to the Schugen Collection Memorandum, The Walker Memo was sent to see what field offices could find.

Some proponents view this letter as proof that the Air Force knows that extraterrestrial UFOs exist. The closest the the letter comes to considering alien origin is the opinion that [there is] "The possibility that some foreign nation has a form of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of our domestic knowledge." However, the proponents tend to ignore, or dismiss as an "obvious lie" dictated by the Super Secret Roswell Conspiracy, the instruction that his commanders should consider: "The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the existence of these subjects."
Army Air Force

Washington 25, D.C.

ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen

AC/AS-2

1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered opinion of this command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs." This opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineering Division T-3. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office, Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3.

2. It is the opinion that:

a. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious.
b. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made aircraft.
c. There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.
d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and motion which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
e. The apparent common description is as follows:-

(1) Metallic or light reflecting surface.
(2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances where the object apparently was operating under high performance conditions.
(3) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and domed on top.
(4) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying from three to nine objects.
(5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instances a substantial rumbling roar was noted.
(6) Level flight speeds normally above 300 knots are estimated.

f. It is possible within the present U.S. knowledge -- provided extensive detailed development is undertaken -- to construct a piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub- paragraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of 7000 miles at subsonic speeds.

g. Any development in this country along the lines indicated would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable expense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up independently of existing projects.

h. Due consideration must be given the following:-

(1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic origin - the product of some high security project not known to AC/AS-2 or this Command.

(2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the existence of these subjects.

(3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of our domestic knowledge.

3. It is recommended that:-

a. Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning a priority, security classification and Code name for a detailed study of this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available and pertinent data which will then be made available to the Army, Navy, Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group, NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommendations, with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt of the data and a detailed report thereafter every 30 days as the investigation develops. A complete interchange of data should be affected.

4. Awaiting a specific directive AMC will continue the investigation within its current resources in order to more closely define the nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Information will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.

-----------

The Twining Memorandum: http://www.roswellfiles.com/FOIA/twining.htm

Links, etc: http://www.visioninconsciousness.org/UFOs_ETs_10.htm

Of course, if there's one thing we've learned since then, it's the government and news media always tell the truth. Right?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
21. Ever hear of 1st Lt. Felix Moncla, zappaman?
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 02:36 PM
Nov 2014

...or his RIO, 2nd Lt. Robert R. Wilson?



Radar operator stated he watched the aircraft approach the UFO; then saw the two blips merge into one return on his scope; which then took off at a high rate of speed and out of radar range.

http://www.nuforc.org/mancla.html

No remains of the crew or wreckage of the F-89C have been found.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
22. Ever hear of Dr. Russell Marvin, Brad?
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 02:51 PM
Nov 2014

He defeated the invaders back in the 50s using an anti magnetic weapon.
But not before they did some serious damage to Washington.
Here's a chilling photo from the documentary.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
25. You ever hear of Frederick Valentich, zappaman?
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 04:38 PM
Nov 2014

His late father holds the missing flyer's picture:



Delta Sierra Juliet? Do you read?

Boats and aircraft have found no trace of the 20-year old Australian pilot who disappeared with his plane on Saturday night after radioing that he was being chased by a UFO. Frederick Valentich was on a 125 mile training flight in his single engine Cessna 182 along the coast of Bass Strait when he told air traffic controllers in Melbourne that he was being buzzed by a UFO with 4 bright lights about 1000 feet above him.

Controllers said his last message was taped and was: "It's approaching from due east towards me. It seems to be playing some sort of game... flying at a speed I can't estimate. It's not an aircraft. It's...It is flying past. It is a long shape. I cannot identify more than that. It's coming for me right now." A minute later: "It seems to be stationary. I'm also orbiting and the thing is orbiting on top of me also. It has a green light and a sort of metallic light on the outside." Valentich then radioed that his engine was running roughly. His last words were: "It is not an aircraft."

The Australian Air Force said it had received 11 reports from people along the coast who said they saw UFOs on Saturday night, but the Transport Department was skeptical. Ken Williams, a spokesman for the department, said, "It's funny all these people ringing up with UFO reports well after Valentich's disappearance. It seems people often decide after the event, they too had seen strange lights. But although we can't take them too seriously, we can never discourgae such reports when investigating a plane's disappearance."

SNIP...

[font size="5"]ACTUAL TRANSCRIPTION OF MELBOURNE FLIGHT SERVICE [/font size]

The transcript portion of the communication between Valentich and Melbourne Flight Service as released by the Australian Department of Transport follows: (FS - Flight Service, DSJ - Frederick Valentich aircraft designation).
1906:14 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.

1906:44 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, What type of aircraft is it?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, it seems to me like landing lights.

1907 FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1907:31 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed?

DSJ Er-unknown, due to the speed it's travelling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.

1908:18 DSJ Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1908:41 DSJ (open microphone for two seconds.)

1908:48 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify.

1909 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level?

DSJ My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft?

DSJ Affirmative.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.

1909:27 DSJ Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).

1909:42 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the -er- aircraft?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.

1910 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger and how large would the - er - object be?

1910:19 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1910:46 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911 DSJ Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it a military aircraft?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, Confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.

DSJ Say again.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, is the aircraft still with you?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet; it's (open microphone for two seconds) now approaching from the south-west.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911:50 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, the engine is rough-idling. I've got it set at twenty three twenty-four and the thing is coughing.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions?

DSJ My intentions are - ah - to go to King Island - ah - Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for two seconds). It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1912:28 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet. Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).

SOURCE: http://www.ufocasebook.com/australianpilot.html

You might have it in your Octafish minder log, Dude, as I brought it up on DU2:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1968831#1969974



zappaman

(20,606 posts)
27. Ever hear of Dr. David Levinson, Brad?
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 04:47 PM
Nov 2014


In 1996, he uploaded a virus into an alien mothership, thus saving all of us.
His bravery shall not be forgotten!

Have I mentioned this before?
As my official minder, you might know, my friend!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
66. Ever hear of Capt. Thomas Mantell, zappaman?
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:39 AM
Nov 2014

Mantell Case (1948)

EXCERPT...

Mantell was an experienced pilot; his flight history consisted of 2,167 hours in the air, and he had been honored for his part in the Battle of Normandy during World War II.

On 7 January 1948, Godman Field at Fort Knox, Kentucky received a report from the Kentucky Highway Patrol of an unusual aerial object near Maysville, Kentucky. Reports of a westbound circular object, 250 feet (76 m) to 300 feet (91 m) in diameter, were received from Owensboro, Kentucky, and Irvington, Kentucky.

At about 1:45 p.m., Sgt Quinton Blackwell saw an object from his position in the control tower at Fort Knox. Two other witnesses in the tower also reported a white object in the distance. Base commander Colonel Guy Hix reported an object he described as "very white," and "about one fourth the size of the full moon ... Through binoculars it appeared to have a red border at the bottom ... It remained stationary, seemingly, for one and a half hours." Observers at Clinton County Army Air Field in Ohio described the object "as having the appearance of a flaming red cone trailing a gaseous green mist" and observed the object for around 35 minutes. Another observer at Lockbourne Army Air Field in Ohio noted, "Just before leaving it came to very near the ground, staying down for about ten seconds, then climbed at a very fast rate back to its original altitude, 10,000 feet, leveling off and disappearing into the overcast heading 120 degrees. Its speed was greater than 500 mph in level flight."

Four P-51 Mustangs of C Flight, 165th Fighter Squadron Kentucky Air National Guard already in the air—one piloted by Mantell—were told to approach the object. Blackwell was in radio communication with the pilots throughout the event.

One pilot's Mustang was low on fuel, and he quickly abandoned his efforts. Air Force Captain Edward J. Ruppelt (the first head of Project Blue Book) notes that there was some disagreement amongst the air traffic controllers as to Mantell's words as he communicated with the tower: some sources reported that Mantell had described an object "[which] looks metallic and of tremendous size," but, according to Ruppelt in The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, others disputed whether or not Mantell actually said this.

The other two pilots accompanied Mantell in steep pursuit of the object. They later reported they saw an object, but described it as so small and indistinct they could not identify it. Mantell ignored suggestions that the pilots should level their altitude and try to more clearly see the object.

Only one of Mantell's companions, Lt. Albert Clemmons, had an oxygen mask, and his oxygen was in low supply. Clemmons and a Lt. Hammond called off their pursuit at 22,500 feet (6,900 m). Mantell continued to climb, however. According to the Air Force, once Mantell passed 25,000 feet (7,600 m) he supposedly blacked out from the lack of oxygen (hypoxia), and his plane began spiraling back towards the ground. A witness later reported Mantell's Mustang in a circling descent. His plane crashed at a farm south of Franklin, Kentucky, on the Tennessee-Kentucky state line.

Firemen later pulled Mantell's body from the Mustang's wreckage. His wristwatch had stopped at 3:18 p.m., the time of his crash. Meanwhile, by 3:50 p.m. the UFO was no longer visible to observers at Godman Field. The Mantell Incident was reported by newspapers around the nation, and received significant news media attention. A number of sensational rumors were also circulated about Mantell's crash. Among the rumors were claims that Mantell's fighter had been shot down by the UFO he was chasing, and that the Air Force covered up evidence proving this. Another rumor stated that Mantell's body was found riddled with strange holes. However, no evidence has ever surfaced to substantiate any of these claims. In 1956, Ruppelt wrote that the Mantell Crash was one of three "classic" UFO cases in 1948 that would help to define the UFO phenomenon in the public mind, and would help to convince Air Force intelligence specialists that UFOs were a "real", physical phenomenon (Ruppelt 30). The other two sightings were the Gorman Dogfight and the Chiles-Whitted UFO Encounter.

CONTINUED...

http://www.mufon.com/mantell-case---1948.html

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
76. Ever hear of Graeme Willy, Brad?
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 12:45 PM
Nov 2014

He and his buddy Clive Gollings rescued an alien named Paul.
Check out the trailer for the documentary below.



 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
33. Funny how he can identify it as "large" without knowing its actual size or distance
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 04:57 PM
Nov 2014

Heck, I've seen the Blue Angels hover in mid air, make right-angle turns, and even vanish before my eyes.

Of course they don't actually do these things, but from certain vantage points and during certain stunts, they can appear to. And I already know what they are, their size, etc.

Having skill as a pilot does not mean one has equal skill interpreting optical illusions.

Then again, maybe this same "aircraft" came back recently and picked up that Malaysian airliner. If actual evidence appeared, I would accept it.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
54. Everything that can be invented has been invented. Your allusion to the possibility that we do not
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 09:23 PM
Nov 2014

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possess 100% of all knowledge at this pinnacle of modernity is preposterous and you deserve to be mocked tirelessly for having cited a true life event in a heretical attempt to suggest it, sir.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
68. Thank you! I wanted to bring up evidence of why this is an important subject.
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:54 AM
Nov 2014

For some reason, the unknown really disturbs people.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
71. Many have trouble admitting that they don't have an explanation for everything,
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 11:58 AM
Nov 2014

and some prefer to shoot the messenger.



 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
50. FFS, now you claim Roswell is real? With every single post you make you lose some credibility. nt
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 08:45 PM
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Codeine

(25,586 posts)
57. There is literally no conspiracy theory
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 09:31 PM
Nov 2014

that the poster in question does not buy into whole-heartedly.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
65. Where did I write that?
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:27 AM
Nov 2014

As for credibility, I'll compare my record to yours, or anyone's, anytime.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
70. Saying someone said something they did not is a form of smear.
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:57 AM
Nov 2014

As for Roswell, I did not write a word on it on this thread. Saying I did is not true, Logical.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
69. Octafish posts REAL evidence....
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:55 AM
Nov 2014


...and you post movie clips.

Is that where you learned your science?



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hunter

(38,339 posts)
17. Before the aliens we had gods, angels, and demons...
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 01:54 PM
Nov 2014

... all remarkably human.

The saddest thing about humans is that we share the planet with many other intelligent species, dogs to dolphins, but we feel alone so we create imaginary alien friends and enemies.

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
18. I don't believe they've visited but,
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 02:05 PM
Nov 2014

if some day I was shown incontrovertible evidence they have visited, I would not be surprised.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. LOL billions of inhabitable planets out there, yet we all look alike.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 02:15 PM
Nov 2014

Bipeds rule the universe!

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
30. Why are you saying the guy in the photo ain't real?
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 04:51 PM
Nov 2014

He's running for office in over 48 states.

Sometimes he has the backing of the Tea Party; in other places he is a Blue Dawgie Dem.

And he is coming for our clean drinking water, and any other part of Earth's environment he can wrestle away from us, the little bit of retirment monies that are left us older folks, and he is also for privatized this, and privatized that.

If you wonder what solar system he hails from, I believe it is that of Alpha Cen Big Corporations, which mainly used to show up some light years away, but now has taken over even our Milky Way.

Warpy

(111,396 posts)
37. I point out that we can't communicate with other demonstrably intelligent life
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 06:44 PM
Nov 2014

here on earth, like the cetaceans, yet we share a planetary reference.

Our chances of communicating with a methane breathing silica based life form on Planet Zorg would be even less likely. Hell, we wouldn't even spot it as living, let alone intelligent.

The human race is really not smart.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
63. That's the one!
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 03:17 AM
Nov 2014

My dad told me all about it when it happened.
The whole world was freaked out.
Glad we all got thru it!

62. Two words for all you skeptics who
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 11:21 PM
Nov 2014

DON'T believe aliens have visited our world......ANAL PROBES!. I mean surely any advanced civilization would be interested in the inner workings of the human butt.....or maybe not.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
78. Well played!
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 12:47 PM
Nov 2014

Perhaps they are the ones responsible for going back in time to melt the starfish???

vincejja

(1 post)
79. Pretty obvious...
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That is pretty obviously fake. I mean you can just see that it is made of that usual plastic that most decorations are made of. Oh, and is it supposed to be dead? If so, why the heck are its eyes open?
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gold ira rollover

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
81. And if it was credible, it would be locked and the OP told to post in Creative Speculation
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 01:39 PM
Nov 2014

I'm still upset that thread was locked about what was found on Mars last year (don't remember what it was, maybe a rat or something).

BTW, I really miss your rival. spooked911 and yourself had some classic wars on the old DU. Who was your sidekick again, that guy with the Ted Kennedy avatar?

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
86. Credible?
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 02:56 PM
Nov 2014

LOL. If it was credible it would be on the news 24/7.

It's only credible to people with no understanding of science or biology, that's why those topics are posted in Creative Speculation aka Kook World

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
85. I just don't think they could keep it a secret.
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 02:46 PM
Nov 2014

We may have been visited by aliens, but i have serious doubts that we'd actually know about it.

And our government surely isn't aware of alien visits or have relations with alien civilizations. There's just no way they couldn't spill the beans.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
96. Star Person Incarnate Fran is gonna kick your ass
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 05:18 PM
Nov 2014

with a targeted telekinetic action, if you keep up your irresponsible mockage.

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