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Man whose WMD lies led to 100,000 deaths confesses allDefector tells how US officials 'sexed up' his fictions to make the case for 2003 invasion
Jonathan Owen
Sunday, 1 April 2012
A man whose lies helped to make the case for invading Iraq starting a nine-year war costing more than 100,000 lives and hundreds of billions of pounds will come clean in his first British television interview tomorrow.
"Curveball", the Iraqi defector who fabricated claims about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, smiles as he confirms how he made the whole thing up. It was a confidence trick that changed the course of history, with Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi's lies used to justify the Iraq war.
He tries to defend his actions: "My main purpose was to topple the tyrant in Iraq because the longer this dictator remains in power, the more the Iraqi people will suffer from this regime's oppression."
The chemical engineer claimed to have overseen the building of a mobile biological laboratory when he sought political asylum in Germany in 1999. His lies were presented as "facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence" by Colin Powell, US Secretary of State, when making the case for war at the UN Security Council in February 2003.
But Mr Janabi, speaking in a two-part series, Modern Spies, starting tomorrow on BBC2, says none of it was true. When it is put to him "we went to war in Iraq on a lie. And that lie was your lie", he simply replies: "Yes."
US officials "sexed up" Mr Janabi's drawings of mobile biological weapons labs to make them more presentable, admits Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, General Powell's former chief of staff. "I brought the White House team in to do the graphics," he says, adding how "intelligence was being worked to fit around the policy".
As for his former boss: "I don't see any way on this earth that Secretary Powell doesn't feel almost a rage about Curveball and the way he was used in regards to that intelligence."
More at:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/man-whose-wmd-lies-led-to-100000-deaths-confesses-all-7606236.html
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Anyone who actually believes that those war criminals were "tricked" by this guy is a fool of epic proportions.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)He might still be a tool. I'll take what he says with a grain of salt & lots of skepticism.
Turbineguy
(37,337 posts)Kinda goes nicely with "baseball bat"!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"Yes."
So, why aren't the fearless warmongers Smirko, Sneer and the Poodle in jail?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Ahmed Chalabi alongside US President George W. Bush and Jalal Talabani
Before the war, the CIA was largely skeptical of Chalabi and the INC, but information allegedly from his group (most famously from a defector codenamed "Curveball" made its way into intelligence dossiers used by President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to justify an invasion of Iraq. "Curveball" allegedly the brother of one of Chalabi's top lieutenants fed officials hundreds of pages of bogus "firsthand" descriptions of mobile biological weapons factories on wheels and rails. Secretary of State Colin Powell later used this information in a U.N. presentation trying to garner support for the war, despite warnings from German intelligence that "Curveball" was fabricating claims. Since then, the CIA has admitted that the defector made up the story, and Powell apologized for using the information in his speech. A later congressionally appointed investigation (Robb-Silberman) concluded that Curveball had no relation whatsoever to the INC, and that press reports linking Curveball to the INC were erroneous.[15]
The INC often worked with the media, most notably with Judith Miller, concerning her WMD stories for The New York Times starting on February 26, 1998.[16] After the war, given the lack of discovery of WMDs, most of the WMD claims of the INC were shown to have been either misleading, exaggerated, or completely made up while INC information about the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein's loyalists and Chalabi's personal enemies were accurate. Another of Chalabi's advocates was American Enterprise Institute's Iraq specialist Danielle Pletka. Chalabi received advice on media and television presentation techniques from the Irish scriptwriter and commentator Eoghan Harris prior to the invasion of Iraq.[17]
Chalabi in discussion with Paul Bremer and US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
As U.S. forces took control during the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, Chalabi returned under their aegis and was given a position on the Iraq interim governing council by the Coalition Provisional Authority. He served as president of the council in September 2003. He denounced a plan to let the UN choose an interim government for Iraq. "We are grateful to President Bush for liberating Iraq, but it is time for the Iraqi people to run their affairs," he was quoted as saying in The New York Times.[18]
In August 2003, Chalabi was the only candidate whose unfavorable ratings exceeded his favorable ones with Iraqis in a State Department poll.[19] In a survey of nearly 3,000 Iraqis in February 2004 (by Oxford Research International, sponsored by the BBC in the United Kingdom, ABC in the U.S., ARD of Germany, and the NHK in Japan), only 0.2 percent of respondents said he was the most trustworthy leader in Iraq (see survey link below, question #13). A secret document written in 2002 by the British Overseas and Defence Secretariat reportedly described Chalabi as "a convicted fraudster popular on Capitol Hill."[20]
In response to the WMD controversy, Chalabi told London's Daily Telegraph in February 2004, "We are heroes in error. As far as we're concerned, we've been entirely successful. That tyrant Saddam is gone and the Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before is not important. The Bush administration is looking for a scapegoat."[21]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Chalabi
Octafish
(55,745 posts)PS: Love the smile on the warmonkey. It almost makes me happy to know he was so happy at what he has done.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)all the people responsible for this should be imprisoned forthwith.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I think this drops like a stone. Why BBC is doing this...I don't know. Makes no sense with Cameron in there and Blair before him part of it.
But, it was nice to see the headline. It will all be forgotten by this time tomorrow...Actually it is now. It's seen as "Old News."
The Wars are "Old News" and few care, anymore. We are used to them.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)What makes me sad is how bi-partisan the interest in moving on from the greatest treason in the history of the United States is.
PS: Were I the same being, reading it on a history iPad a 200 years from now, I wouldn't believe it.
PPS: While the links may be down by then, for those still interested or may give a damn a couple of centuries hence:
Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War
Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam
Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) Made Phony Case for War
Know your BFEE: War and Oil are just two longtime Main Lines of Business
newspeak
(4,847 posts)so, little boots and his cohorts weren't salivating after 9/11, attempting to connect iraq with that tragedy. I remember reading at the time that a person (rumsfeld?) after 9/11, saying how can we connect iraq? And how about darth cheney's visits to the CIA, numerous times? They wanted that war with iraq, no matter how it harmed our soldiers or innocent civilians. Cheney's company halliburton wasn't doing too well until after these cretins were selected.
The harm they did to this country and its' people so that their friends could further their investment portfolios while our infrastructure deteriorated (so they can eventually sell us to the highest bidder) shows that these cretins use patriotism for their own devises. These chickenshitehawks would not sacrifice one hair on their heads for their country; but have expected other americans to sacrifice.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It was surreal when the warmonkey hisself brought it up:
Know your BFEE: Money Trumps Peace.
It's like a family tradition.
Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich
But students of history were on to his gangster ass, from the 9-11 get-go.
Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)No one seems to be able to stop them
Rex
(65,616 posts)I don't care if it was Satan that told Dick Cheney there were WMDs...doesn't matter, Satan was wrong and now the entire WORLD knows that George Walker Bush sent our military professionals into harms way based on known LIES. Which is a crime, but since we live in a plutocracy he will get away with one of the biggest crimes against America in contemporary times.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)The speech Bush made where he poked fun and acted like he was looking for WMDs. OMG! He really thought the whole shell game was hilarious.
And we will be told to just shut up about it, old news, the media has new stuff to discuss like some obscure journalist daring to say something negative about poor Anne Romney being a "homemaker".
Our country is surreal.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It accompanied a video presentation.
It was despicable, certainly, but it wasn't a serious speech. It was supposed to be "funny."
Of course, people who lost loved ones in that mess didn't find it amusing.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)But it struck me as a way of his saying the big joke was on the news media, and the ignorant public. It was one of the most sickening displays I've ever seen.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)the corporate media (some who have defense contracts) wanted that war as much as little boots. Anyone, like phil donahue, who questioned going to war, was out in our mcpravda media.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)It was party line all the way.
Rex
(65,616 posts)our soldiers were being shot and killed and brought home in the dead of night in secrecy. I doubt I will ever forget the atocities we endured under GWB and Dick Cheney.
spanone
(135,843 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)It simply is irrelevant to today's issues . . . Like birth control, abortion, and cutting corporate taxes.
unblock
(52,243 posts)i don't see any way on this earth that secretary powell didn't know damn well that the evidence was fabricated.
he certainly knew damn well that shrub wanted the war long before the case was built.
he certainly knew damn well that "intelligence was being worked to fit around the policy".
he certainly knew damn well the point was to convince congress and the public.
and he certainly knew if there ACTUALLY WAS a clear and present danger, they would have taken military action first and asked congress for forgiveness later.
NO WAY powell didn't know curveball was full of it.
and i'm not even talking about how many, many people outside of the shrub administration were convinced that he was lying.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)but he still went ahead and waved his vial of fake anthrax at the UN and claimed that Saddam had WMDs.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)Bushco would have found someone else.
But that doesn't stop him being a donkey-pit (for those puzzled think of another word for donkey and another word for pit)
Baitball Blogger
(46,727 posts)malaise
(269,028 posts)I can't wait for that heart to reject him
Warpy
(111,267 posts)of old age in office if their friends and families were all still alive.
We should send him there for trial.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)A nice way of saying that the United States squandered its money and military to prop up a lie. I know how it feels to watch my tax dollars wasted in such fashion; I can't even fathom what it must be like for a solder, sailor or marine to have their commitment and service abused like this. Or how the survivors of those killed can deal with being suckered so badly.
I notice this story is published in Britain; I wonder why the U.S. media isn't very curious about the con job perpetrated on them? That is, if they were conned at all.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)If anything the US media will say that exposing the lie would be an affront to the troops who gave their lives for FREEDOM (for nothing, NOTHING!).
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)In fact, were he subject to the long arm of American justice, Jonathan Owen (the writer of this piece), could expect an invitation to attend his indefinite incarceration and torture for leaking such top secret material. And, considering the respect accorded our Constitution by our government, who is to say that Mr. Owen isn't subject to our loving jurisdiction? After all, if enough people (or the right people) decide that he's a very, very bad person, we could just fire a missile at his suspected location. And then we would all be treated to the grand spectacle of alleged liberals and progressives cheering the administration for its forthright dispensation of "justice."
lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)how he feels about the slaughter of 100s of thousands of Iraqis during the war to get rid of Saddam?
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)He must have good security, really good protection.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)The decision to go in was made the evening of 9/11, at the latest.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)One of the first things bu$h did when he got into the White House was bomb Iraq. He was itching for a fight from the get-go.
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)"But Mr Janabi, speaking in a two-part series, Modern Spies, starting tomorrow on BBC2, says none of it was true. When it is put to him "we went to war in Iraq on a lie. And that lie was your lie", he simply replies: "Yes."
They had more than enough intelligence to blow his third rate lies out of the water.
Thanks for the thread, KoKo.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)His was not the greater sin.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)'ya think? Or, no?
"His was not the greater sin," you say.
But, the SIN was set up by the Project for the New American Century...long ago. He was just a facilitator.... and, as you point out..."He could lie all he wanted to."
The Sins are Sins Against HUMANITY though...and some price will be paid along with the Dead, Maimed, PTSD'd and our Economy.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)and there were lots of facilitators. Abramoff's little friends.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Governments that were ready and willing to listen to his lies.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)He was their instrument.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Why aren't the people demanding that someone must be held accountable for this fiasco...
If this just sits there and festers I assure you it will happen again and again and again...
pacalo
(24,721 posts)would take care of Dimson's demise when all the Iraq invasion hype began. I kept hanging on for all eight years. I grew up thinking those who serve in the government are individuals upheld to the highest standards of common sense & sound judgement. My faith was broken when Dimson/Shooter were not held accountable.
I want to believe that government leaders are sincere about their job descriptions as servants of the people's interest, but I've learned that too many are there in Washington focusing on politics, power, corporate interests only, un-American objectives, money.
Then I see Wisconsin stand up to their despotic governor, which began with kids & teachers from a neighboring school march into the capitol & grew to hundreds of thousands, even in icy, snowy weather.
Then, inspired by Wisconsin's grit, hundreds of thousands of protesters, with a majority of young people, gathered on Wall Street & in other major cities & stood up against corporations & the concentrated wealth of the top 1%!
We can no longer leave it up to our congress to do what's right. Our good, rational congresspeople are outnumbered by greedy political hacks to be able to make a positive difference. We have to stand up to the farce they're running.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)We have to stand up and say this is wrong that no one is being held accountability.
Real accountability not that crap that the partisans use to snipe at each which degrades the whole process for people on the outside looking in.
I don't know, I'm just tired of all this shit that people get away with just because they wear suits and ties and have a degree from a elite university while the rest of us unconnected who have to suffer the fall out from their epic failures.
What's crazy is we keep putting these ass holes back in power.
Now we are setting up dynasties.
Fuck it.
Selatius
(20,441 posts)Somebody invented intelligence supporting the notion that US warships were attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin. The attack never happened, but it served as a very instrumental lever in convincing the United States to move to sending large numbers of combat troops to what essentially was a civil war between North Viet Nam and South Viet Nam. Regardless of what happened, the arms manufacturers made bank off the war contracts. They're making bank today in Afghanistan.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)those in power will find people to lie for them.
Remember the woman's claim that babies were tossed from incubators before the Bush I invasion of Iraq? That was a total fabrication as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29
wiggs
(7,814 posts)treasures, destruction of institutions, our loss of trillions, US vet physical and mental trauma, poisoning by depleted uranium, lowering of human dignity on both sides, creation of the second largest refugee group in the world, and an increase of hate against us for generations. Horror.
There is a casualness about the article and about those who reflect on the war that has to be refuted.
Royal Sloan 09
(406 posts)fixing the facts to be make war, or something like that as I seem to recall. Was part of the plan to start the war based on lies, and now we hear from the guy who told the lies, great!
underpants
(182,826 posts)they were only looking for evidence to support their concieved facts.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)Why should any of us respect any of our laws if people that knowingly lied us into unnecessary war are not prosecuted for treason and crimes against humanity.
Why is there no modern Nuremburg Trials right this very minute?
There are so many things wrong with the fallacious "we have to look forward not backward" childlike reason for giving the GW Bush criminal cabal.
The most profound misery from this corrupt decision will be in the future. When we get a President that gets to start his own vanity war taking advantage of all these "IF THE PRESIDENT DOES IT, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL" Doctrines that are basically a license to commit genocide. To the apparent benefit of only the Dick Cheney's, Eric Prinze's and Mitt Romney's of the world.
We have seen repeatedly in recent history how flawed laws repeat disastrous time bombs in the future. I'm thinking specifically of the repeal of Glass-Steagel in the late 90's, which led to the economic depression of 2008-2009.
The free pass given to these traitors insures more of the same in our future. And we will stand for this? Is this how we as a country honor the lives of all those that served to protect the Constitution and the American way of life?
I find the whole thing infuriating.
-90% Jimmy
An irony to this tragedy is that I have read there have been 750-1000 contractor casualties from this Iraq c-f**k. Were they mercenaries or dedicated patriots or people desperate to make big money as quick as possible knowing the risks? I don't know, but those poor dead people are off the radar of the entire country and media, from my vantage, anyway.