The biggest winners yesterday: the phony "liberals" & the phony "Democrats"

[baldguy]

The people that cry crocodile tears about how "liberal" they are, and are thoroughly offended when their phoniness is exposed....

But then they turn around and say Obama is a terrorist, that Kerry is a war criminal, that Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street, they sing the praises of Elizabeth Warren, who was a dedicated Republican voter well into her 40s, admire RW libertarian nutcases like Rand Paul and nihilistic, narcissistic bomb throwers Glenn Greenwald & Ed Snowden, try to convince people that of the RW talking point that "both parties are the same", and then generally spend their time disparaging real liberal Democrats and the Democratic Party in general...

These people that claim that not voting for Democrats and having a Republican Congress who will kill any liberal or progressive policy on every issue, who will roll back every progressive advance that has been made since FDR, and who will impeach any sitting Democratic President for any reason, will somehow bring about The Glorious New Liberal Tomorrow! - because this strategy was worked so well in the past, hasn't it? (And of course, they're unable to articulate just how that is going to work.)

It's real simple: To have a more liberal govt, Democrats must be in control. And for Democratic candidates to win, Democratic voters must vote for them. Any attempt to claim otherwise just helps the the other guys.

[merrily]

1. Oh, goody, yet another thread blaming loyal Democratic voters for Democratic losses.

Republicans just can't get too gleeful over this pointlessly divisive nonsense.

[LondonReign2]

27. And he managed to jam Paul, Snowden, and Greenwald in there too

The left bashers are really hitting their stride.

[merrily]

30. Meh. I'll let those 3 speak for themselves. I know what kind of Democrats DUers who post left are.

Paul is not a Democrat at all and I don't want to debate what Snowden and Greenwald are. I'll stick to what I know.

Besides, his OP was not mailed to Paul, Snowden or Greenwald. DUers are his target.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

2. Total slur.

But then, I remember that spittle-flecked hatefest you posted a few days back against the left a few days ago, so it's not surprising.

You prepped the ground to blame the left before the election, and sure enough, here you are, blaming them for the screwups of "Real Democrats".

At least you're consistent in your hate for anyone to the left of your RW vision of what the party should be.

Quit throwing the left away in race after race, choosing candidates who can't be bothered to even pretend to care about the left, and you'll win more votes there.

Conservadems threw away the Senate.

[JHB]

3. Yes, rail at the circular firing squad while pointing your own gun to the one at your left!

[djean111]

4. Fail. But oh so predictable. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Really? Snowden and Greenwald? That is why we lost?

That is just fucking pathetic.

[morningfog]

6. The ONLY way to get Democratic voters is to motivate them. Period.

[Fred Sanders]

7. Divided, we fell, United in crazy, they stood. Refuse to say you voted for Obama is disqualification

[merrily]

12. According to Chuck (rhymes with "muck," among other things) Toad, anyway.

[Fred Sanders]

16. If he said that, he was fucking right..Grimes "having to say that" and being defended by others , in

her own fucking party, is why liberals do not ducking get it...division gets noticed.

[demwing]

23. That explains why Grimes was the only Dem who lost!

[merrily]

31. Toad did say that and McConnell immediately put the clip into his campaign ads.

[Fred Sanders]

32. Which makes McConnell and I on the same side on this one....absurdity follows absurdity.

A phony Democratic Party member is one, as a Party candidate, can not publically utter that she voted for her own party President, because......reasons......maybe "cowardly" would be a better word.

[merrily]

41. You might want to take it up with Debbie Wasserman Schultz, then, too.

Morning Joe pointedly tried, for an entire segment, to make her mention "Obama" or "the President." She steadfastly refused so to do. And, as head of the DNC, she has something to say about Democratic campaign strategies. For this midterm, the prevailing Democratic campaign strategy, nationwide, seemed to be "I am not Obama."

[Fred Sanders]

45. She screwed the pooch, if I tell her that, again, she will become defensive. This was not Obama's

strategy, he was on fire every speech I saw him make....really screwed the pooch, left the Big Dog out of the game.

[merrily]

47. Thing is, no matter what you can't run away from your own votes.

Or ignore them and hope no one will notice, even though your Republican opponent is screaming about how often you "voted with Obama."

[merrily]

48. PS, right or wrong, he should have STFU and

When a supposed journalist's clip winds up in a Republican's ad, something is very, very wrong with journalism and America and anyone who did not shame Toad for that. And he was not even a FOX "journalist."

And, bottom line, it's not about Obama. He's out in two years and will never run again. All things considered, I'd rather see Grimes as Senator than McConnell, no matter what the hell Grimes said or didn't say.

[Segami]

51. And noticed it was!

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Hillary is a pit bull, and Liberals are the BSL humpers

That woman's just misunderstood, is all. She votes for war and Wall Street because of the way she was raised.

[Paulie]

14. She was a Goldwater Girl after all

[hobbit709]

9. What a crock of taurine metabolic byproducts.

We lost because the average voter couldn't be motivated by the "not as bad as the other guy", and lack of a clear distinction between the two parties.

Democratic candidates used to stand up for unions, women, minorities, social security, and a bunch of other things. Now most of them give lukewarm support and get little or no support from the clowns at the national level.

[cali]

10. ooh, your little fictional faction. what you describe doesn't even exist, hon.

[fishwax]

11. cool story, bro n/t

[LWolf]

13. Wow. I knew you were gearing up for a big episode

of the blame game, but this is so far over the top it actually moves into the realm of "______________ say the darndest things."

I'll leave it to others to fill in the blank.

Meanwhile, in the real world, real liberals like myself voted. We sent our Senator back to the Senate and our Governor back to the state capitol.

You just keep up that fantasy world, though, where all your losses are our fault. I'm sure it will help next time around.

[myrna minx]

17. I woke up in a state where we sent Senator Franken and Governor Dayton

Back to their offices and then come here to read this typical spleen draining bile. So far I've read that it's the gays fault, it's women's fault and like clockwork, the hippies. You can set your watch to it. So pathetic.

[Puglover]

24. +1000 Myrna!

People seem to glide right by the fact that we deliver in almost every election here in Minnesota.

Oh but yeah, that's right. We're "Ratfuckers".

[myrna minx]

25. I loveMind Pilot's observation that we're not conservative enough to be liberals.

Now Elizabeth Warren is the super villain along with FDR on a liberal message board. Huh.


Congratulations on our wins last night! I'm so happy Al and Mark won!

[Puglover]

26. Me too!

And back atcha!

I felt so comfortable with what was going to happen here last night I ignored politics all together and caught up on "The Walking Dead"

I am very very sorry that our fellow DUer's had a lousy night.

[myrna minx]

34. I know many DUers worked so hard for their races.

Even though it was a great night for Minnesota, it was an awful night for the country.

I'm one episode behind in the walking dead, so I may have to drown out the hate with zombies tonight.

[merrily]

36. Divide and conquer has always been a strategy of the plutocrats.

Until relatively recently, it's had to be. There are so many more of the 99% than there are of the ruling class.

It works well, too. Apparently, the primitive part of the brain has some need to perceive the self as superior to others, as well as to be damned angry about it, too!

Sadly, the hoi polloi embrace it as their own, failing to perceive how manipulative and utterly self-defeating it is.

[MindPilot]

15. Apparently I am no longer conservative enough to be a liberal.

I just can't seem to get it together to pass the Democratic purity test.

Sorry, but there was no one left of center on the ballot so I had to vote a straight D ticket. I'll try to do better next time.

[KG]

18. So glad to see you're not bitter...

[FSogol]

19. K & R. n/t

[Oilwellian]

20. When will DU jettison these right wing fuckwad trolls who...

continually trash liberals here?

[baldguy]

29. You mean the ones who continually hate on Obama and any mainstream liberal Democrat

Who has the unmitigated gall to actually be popular & win an election, right?

The liberal-hating RW trolls you describe are the people who AREN'T supporting the Democratic Party.

[Volaris]

35. When the BACK half of the 50-State strategy is implemented...

1) get DEMOCRATS elected (doesn't MATTER how not-liberal they may actually be..)
2) get BETTER Democrats elected (meaning like, actual LIBERALS and whatnot..)

That only the FIRST part of that idea was ever implemented should tell you a lot about the people it got elected to office (perhaps, it worked TOO well lol). Now, in their defense, the maxim of good POLITICS is (to paraphrase)

Politics is the art of delaying an action until it is no longer relevant (see controversial or dangerous),

and my take on it is that that's exactly what happened with both Marriage Equality AND Healthcare Reform. By the time the pols at the National Level decided "hey, things are things we can maybe kinda work on fixing", consent for doing SOMETHING had already reached at least 50%. It was done because mostly, it had become NOT HARD for them to do.

Which I understand.

But as far as I'm PERSONALLY concerned, Public Policy ain't beanbag, and If you're pulling down the kind of cash we're paying peeps to hold Senate Seats, By God I want those motherfuckers doing what's HARD, not whats easy. Because EASY should require a fucking PAY CUT.

[merrily]

43. When it wants to.

I've heard a lot of liberals got banned over the years.

[RandiFan1290]

21. lol

[Puglover]

22. I am not sure

what is more incoherent. Joni Ernst's acceptance speech or this OP.

Hello from totally Blue Minnesota Baldguy!

[marmar]

28. someone posts bullshit like this whenever Dems lose......

.... and it's still bullshit.

[lonestarnot]

37. Whineybutt posts always are so charming aren't they.

[merrily]

40. Or whenever they win.

Bullshit like this has been posted here for as long as I can remember.

[alarimer]

33. Oh, FFS.

Really???

Democrats lost last night because they did NOT stand up for their principles. They thought moving right would work for them and it didn't. It failed utterly.

What that tells me is that you are utterly incorrect.

The "Third-Way" Republican-lite NEVER fucking works. When will Dems learn that lesson?

[lonestarnot]

39. When they have a choice they'll will usually pick the real thing.

[merrily]

42. The principles Dems have not been standing up for since the Clintons

helped found the DLC.

[Volaris]

46. When some damned GOP'r decides it's time to start channeling the ghost of Teddy Roosevelt,

and run (and GOVERN) as a LIBERAL REPUBLICAN, because the Dem's have ceded that political space. Party ideology flips have happened before, so don't kid yourself that it CANNOT be possible, even if it seems far-fetched right now.

[Douglas Carpenter]

38. EXACTLY!! It is clear now from the results of this election that mainstream Americans want Democrats

who do what they are told and never question the party or its leadership. That's what democracy is all about - learning to never question authority. Only rightwing trolls do that. And nothing does more to motivate Democrats then calling them names. That is the only language they understand.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. So should the liberals who elected Democrats stop doing so? Without liberals you'd have lost even

more. The 'moderate' candidates were as usual, rejected for being weak copies of the Republican. Liberals like Jeff Merkley won. Al Franken won. Would you be happier with only your moderate losses, year after year, midterm after midterm?

It's rhetoric like yours that brings toxins into the system.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

49. Right. If more of us had acted like motherfucking Republicans, we would've been all good.

Brilliant analysis, centerboy.

[tkmorris]

50. You sound like Debbie Wasserman Shultz in a private moment

Her strategy was rather based upon that sort of worldview. It failed utterly, which SHOULD cause her to rethink that perspective, but I doubt she will. Clearly you won't either. That's a real shame. I feel sorry for you.

[BillZBubb]

52. Utter nonsense.

The few progressives who actually ran as progressives won. The "centrists" who avoided even mentioning Obama or any progressive policy got crushed.

[Scuba]

53. I miss the unrec button.

[Warren Stupidity]

54. It caused too much controversy 'cause people who post shit like this could

see just how vastly unpopular their crappy-ass posts were.

So it had to go. 'cause.