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Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:47 PM

If you want to lose the Millennial vote completely, nominate Hillary Clinton.

I'm 28 and all most all of my peers DESPISE Hillary. Many of them say that of Hillary is the nominee they will either vote Republican, Green, Independent, or just not vote. The only people I see crowing for Hillary are middle-aged women, Boomers and older Gen-Xers, who want her president because of the symbolism of the first woman president more than anything substantial.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:50 PM

1. what do your peers say about E. Warren or B. Sanders?

I think E. Warren would UNITE the older people who supposedly have such symbolic attitudes as well as the young people because of Warren's scholarship on bankruptcy and speaking out about debt, a topic very relatable for young folks.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:52 PM

2. I agree with you. Warren speaks to left and right, young and old, the middle and working classes.

 

I can't wrap my head around Clinton.

It's as if people think everything is fine and we just want to win to keep a R out, nevermind who's wearing the D.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:00 PM

19. Good thing Warren can wrap her head around Clinton...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:05 PM

34. And Howard Dean, who is advising her.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:43 PM

105. +100 for Howard Dean advising Hillary Clinton

YES

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:06 PM

256. That's odd

From the Ready for Hillary web site Aug. '14:

Clinton, he said, "is best prepared" though he wants to "see who her campaign team is" before deciding if he will formally endorse her.


Doesn't sound like the words of an adviser to me.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #256)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:36 AM

351. I happened to see Howard Dean on Meet the Press last Sunday. He said he would working with HRC.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:43 PM

103. +1 for Democrats who like to WIN

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #103)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:18 AM

397. Been winning their asses off lately, eh?

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #103)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:39 PM

527. Yep. It's all about getting the "W".

Who cares about policy, right?

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Response to Kermitt Gribble (Reply #527)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:50 PM

533. I love it when Republicans are envious that Dems have a winner with Hillary

don't you?

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #533)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:05 PM

540. And I love it

when Dems are fooled in to voting for anyone with a "D" behind their name and have to endure 2 terms of right wing policy. But like I said before - policy doesn't matter.

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Response to Kermitt Gribble (Reply #540)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:08 PM

567. Policy like the ACA, Dreamers, LGBT, Net Neutrality?

What's yer bitch?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #19)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:13 AM

315. Nice try. Pretend that you don't know politics. You have no idea how Sen Warren feels about

 

H. Clinton-Sachs. She is polite to her of course, but don't go reading a lot into that.

H. Clinton-Sachs stands for everything that Sen Warren is against. H. Clinton-Sachs puts Wall Street, Goldman-Sachs especially, above the 99%. H. Clinton proved she has zero integrity when she betrayed Democrats and the nation and, not only voted with the Republicans on the I-War, but she helped sell it.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #315)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:25 AM

348. "Elizabeth Warren: I hope Hillary Clinton runs for president"

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 — the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat, who some have speculated could seek the Oval Office herself.

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #348)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:39 AM

388. That was 297-Dimensional Chess

Our puny minds are unequipped to process the true meaning of Sen Warren's statement and actions.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:16 PM

58. Elizabeth hits all the right notes; Hillary is completely out of tune.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:29 PM

200. Nice musical metaphor

Oh snap

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:31 PM

204. This is a great analogy!

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Response to alp227 (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:52 PM

4. They LOVE Liz and Bernie.

Both speak about things Millennials actually care about

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:13 PM

173. Warren is really concerned about student loan debt

 

That is definitely a young person's issue (as well as some older folks.)

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Response to Wella (Reply #173)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:17 PM

180. The Bankster-owned establishment won't touch loan reform with a 10-foot pole.

Warren is, which is why we like her.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #270)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:54 AM

389. Stay on script, man.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #389)

Wed Nov 12, 2014, 06:14 PM

576. lol

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:39 PM

288. Great...

 

...but Liz and Bernie could never actually win. They could never get the financial backing. Suggesting that it's even possible is laughable. You have to stop and think what you're asking.

This is why I say, get ready for Jeb. He's moderate enough to attract votes from both sides. If he runs, he wins. Period.

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Response to 40degreesflaps (Reply #288)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:44 PM

293. Ah yes, the Very Serious People have spoken, no real progressive can EVER win!

We have to let the DLC hacks pull the party further to the right in the name of "compromise" and being "reasonable".

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #293)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:53 PM

295. Yeah...

 

...and your running off at the mouth doesn't make it any less likely. I'm pushing fifty and have been studying this stuff since I was in grade school. All of the very predictable patterns are reemerging, most of which you are unfamiliar with because of your age. You'll learn. You'll have to.

It's not a progressive nation. It never was. Some of us know that. Some of us still have to learn. Good luck. Frankly, going out there and doing your best to get skills and build a financial nest egg would be a better use of your time. The Boomers learned that in the late seventies. For you, right now it's about the equivalent of 1978 so one would think it's time to get your shit together. Now or never.

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Response to 40degreesflaps (Reply #295)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:22 AM

330. The Nation IS Progressive

 

The Vote Counters are not.

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Response to Hari Seldon (Reply #330)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:48 AM

354. ++++

that's it in 10 words or less.

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Response to 40degreesflaps (Reply #295)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:05 AM

360. The US oligarchs/plutocrats have never been US liberals. The people, however, always have been.

Ask American people questions, without labeling the issues as liberal, conservative or as Republican and Democrat, over 70% of them will choose liberal policies. That was proven (again) last Tuesday, when sick pay, increase in minimum wage and sick pay did very well in states where they were on the ballot, including red states.





But then, politicians of both of the largest parties get busy telling people things like your post says and dissuading them away from liberal policies as either not representative of America as a whole or impossible to attain. Both are incorrect memes.


For you, right now it's about the equivalent of 1978 so one would think it's time to get your shit together. Now or never.


No, it's past time for all of, starting with the well paid, powerful politicians, to get it together and do the right things. Also time to stop bashing Democratic voters for failures of the plutocrats in D.C. and elsewhere.

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Response to merrily (Reply #360)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:01 PM

537. +1 an entire shit load.

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Response to 40degreesflaps (Reply #295)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:13 AM

394. Not a progressive nation you say?

Why was the ultimate progressive, FDR, reelected so many times?

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Response to 40degreesflaps (Reply #295)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:47 PM

430. Blah, blah, blah. Defeatist nonsense.

 

/ignore.

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Response to 40degreesflaps (Reply #295)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:26 PM

513. Bet you liked recess and nap time too, probably needed the rest from all that politic learnin'. n/t

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Response to 40degreesflaps (Reply #288)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:29 AM

402. You only need the money when you need people to believe your bullshit

Money is not nearly as critical when you support popular policies.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #402)

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 12:28 AM

577. If That's True...

 

...then why do I hear Jesse Unruh quoted over and over and over in both undergrad and graduate level Poli Sci? The guy was a California Democrat for God's sake!

OK, tell yourself it isn't true if that makes you feel better. Some of us don't deal in feelings. Some of us don't have the time or the patience.

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Response to 40degreesflaps (Reply #577)

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 10:35 AM

578. Who's your governor?

Your current governor had much less money than his opponent in 2010. (I haven't bothered looking up 2014)

He won handily. If money = victory, that could not be true.

So either money guarantees victory and your governor isn't Jerry Brown, or money can not guarantee victory.

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Response to 40degreesflaps (Reply #288)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:18 PM

478. "They could never get the financial backing."

 

Meditate on what you have just said. When you achieve enlightenment, return to us.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:58 PM

138. I'm not millennial. I'm old and I don't want hillary. No energy, no new ideas and

even though I want a woman some day, it has to be someone I can respect. I don't her. That's how I feel. We are not a monarchy yet even though we are now a feudal system.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #138)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:37 PM

287. Boy, you got that right. I'm waiting for them to put a moat around the

 

white house.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #138)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:44 PM

292. You're Not Alone...

 

...and that's why I say, forget Hillary. She's not likable, doesn't have the magnetism necessary to win the office.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #138)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:39 AM

369. +1000!

As my sig line says, "I'd rather vote for something I want and lose than vote for something I don't want and get it." Eugene Debs, by the way

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #138)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:26 AM

376. With you on that! If enough people would get behind Bernie to allow his message to get out,

the rest of Dems could get behind him. The exceptions being the Hillaryites who will tell you not to split the vote, Bernie can't win, hold your nose and all that! I am tired of holding my nose and watching corporations grow in power and cruelty.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:42 PM

290. I thought Earl Warren died years ago?

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Response to George II (Reply #290)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:13 PM

456. Wrong Warren. They are talking about Warren Sapp.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #456)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:04 PM

538. I would vote for Warren Sapp before I'd vote for HRC.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:51 AM

355. Warren supports Hillary for Pres.

 

And Sanders has no chance of winning.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:52 PM

3. This is what Primaries are for

If the younger voters don't want Hillary nominated, the need to get involved and then VOTE!!

Sitting at home and blaming someone else isn't going to solve anything.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:54 PM

6. Who said anything about NOT voting in the primaries?

Also, many of these people are Independents and so CAN'T vote in the primaries.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:56 PM

10. OP sounded third person

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:57 PM

12. Where is it that independents can't vote in primaries?

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Response to we can do it (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:03 PM

26. The primaries focus on who's running in each major party.

You have to be registered in a party to vote.

Independents don't belong to a party.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:09 PM

42. You choose a party for the primaries in Ohio, I can't imagine that doesn'r happen anywhere else.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:56 PM

133. Sure.

And as a Democratic Socialist, I don't get to vote in Democratic primaries, since they're not my party.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #133)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:58 AM

345. Well, you have a problem, don't you?

Work for change in your state election laws.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #345)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:22 AM

347. That's one thing to do, yup.

Ohio needs fusion voting as well, and for those of us in our party to run for office as well. Even in the generals, there are something like 1/3 to 1/2 of the races that are 'unopposed', and I suspect the vast majority of those are Republicans just being handed offices, time and again. If Dems won't run in those races, it's time for Socialists to start opposing the Repubs.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:20 PM

186. Some states force you to register with the party whose primary you're voting in.

 

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #186)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:14 PM

475. You can always change it, it's not permenant.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:30 AM

349. Depends on the state, and on open or closed primary status

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:42 PM

222. In VA, anyone can vote in any primary; you don't have to vote only in the primary

that's for the party you are registered with.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:39 AM

352. "You have to be registered in a party to vote."

Actually, Ms. Peggy, that's not true in California. I've been "decline to state" since 2004 and have voted in all primaries. Before the Open Primary law, they would just ask which party you wanted to vote in and they would send you to the appropriate booth. Of course, all that changed with the Open Primary Law (of which I was greatly opposed).

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #352)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:35 AM

379. OK, I stand corrected, and I thank you for that.

Good morning!

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #379)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:43 AM

381. . . .

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:00 PM

452. In VA anybody can vote in any

primary as long as they vote in just one.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:09 PM

43. 19 states have open primaries where independents, or anyone else, can vote.

My state (Tennessee) is an open primary state. The rest of the states are either "closed" primaries (party declaration required) or some kind of qualified open-primary.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:11 PM

47. Don't most people pick a party for the sake of voting in primaries?

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Response to we can do it (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:31 PM

79. They should. We have Republicans here who are registered as Democrats. I try to explain to people

that party registration only means choosing which primary you will vote in - or choosing not to vote at all and registering as an independent.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:32 PM

81. Yes but not independents.

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Response to Alittleliberal (Reply #81)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:02 PM

148. Yes I thought that was the whole point

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Response to we can do it (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:59 PM

142. Twentynine states have closed presidential primaries, twenty have open primaries.

 

And California has a "modified closed primary".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_primaries_in_the_United_States

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Response to we can do it (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:06 AM

341. 20 states +D.C. have a CLOSED PRIMARY SYSTEM.

http://ballotpedia.org/Voting_in_the_2012_primary_electionsState-by-state breakdown

All 50 states were broken into three different groups by type of primary:

20 states use a strictly closed primary system, including Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Maine, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Wyoming & D.C.

19 state have an open primary system, including Alabama, Georgia, and Wisconsin

11 states have a mixed system, including:
Illinois: The primary is closed, but voters can change parties each year. Voters may change party affiliation at polls or caucus.
Iowa: The caucuses are closed, but voters may change registration at polls.
Kansas:In the Democratic caucus, Independent voters can register as Democrats on caucus day. For Republicans it is a closed caucus.
Massachusetts: Registered Democrats and Republicans can only vote for their own party in the primary but Independent voters may decide which party they would like to vote for.
Montana: Republicans have a closed caucus, while Democrats have an open primary.
New Hampshire: Registered Democrats and Republicans can only vote for their own party in the primary but Independent voters may decide which party they would like to vote for. Unregistered voters can register on election day.
Ohio: Must vote in the primary of same party as the voter participated in last primary election. Loosely enforced. However, if a voter wishes to vote in another party's primary, he or she must register with that party in order to vote.
Rhode Island: If you are registered as "unaffiliated" you may vote in the primary of any party you choose. Once you vote in a primary, however, you are considered a member of that party until and unless you "disaffiliate."
Utah: Currently, only Republicans close their primary. Democrats and Independents can vote in the Democratic primary. Conventions are held by the political parties prior to the primary.
West Virginia: Uniaffiliated voters and members of minor parties may vote in the Democratic or Republican primaries. The Mountain party typically holds a convention to choose a candidate.


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Response to Divernan (Reply #341)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:03 PM

410. Illinois is *not* a closed primary.

 


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/open+primary

Noun 1. open primary - a primary in which any registered voter can vote (but must vote for candidates of only one party)
direct primary - a primary where voters directly select the candidates who will run for office




http://www.thefreedictionary.com/closed+primary

Noun 1. closed primary - a primary in which only registered members of a particular political party can vote; "closed primaries strengthen party unity"



In Illinois, I go to the poll. They ask me which ballot I want. There is no party "registration" process. They just hand me a ballot.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:05 PM

37. Then they change their affiliation.

Sorry, but this is just an excuse to not get involved; I know several people who register as 'unaffiliated' (independent in my state is a party) and change before the primaries so they can be involved, then change back. If someone is too lazy/disaffected/stubborn to do so, they have no right to complain.

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Response to kiva (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:09 PM

44. +1

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:35 PM

497. Good news for you and your Millennial friends!!

Minnesota is an open primary state so Indies can vote in the primaries.

http://grassrootsidgop.wordpress.com/list-of-states-with-open-and-closed-primaries/

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:53 PM

5. They didn't come out to vote when Hillary wasn't on the ticket this month...

so what's the difference. They didn't come out when it counted, when they could have made a real difference. Threatening to not do what they already don't do doesn't carry much weight anymore, imo.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:57 PM

11. Give my generation something to vote FOR.

Millennials are getting "Lesser of The 2 Evils" fatigue. People can only hold their nose for so long and we are reaching our breaking point.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:04 PM

28. A sad fact of life is that voters, more often than not, hold their noses...

and go vote because the results of not voting end up being worse than their objections to the candidate. Millennials need to learn that lesson, sooner rather than later.

Do you think your compatriots will enjoy the repubs actions on student loans, the environment, programs currently that help them and their families? Those who choose not to show up last Tuesday ensured the repubs were given that power to act. Holding one's nose is the least of their problems, imo.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:11 PM

49. Third-Way BS risks driving low-info Millennials into the hands of libertarians.

Go visit sites that are dominated by 20-somethings like Reddit and you will see exactly what I mean.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:17 PM

59. Libertarian corporate whore wackos or not voting- that'll help.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #59)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:18 PM

60. Insulting us won't get us to the polls, either

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:26 PM

70. Complaining a democrat is corporatist and then going libertarian-corporate-whore makes no sense.

Not voting elects repubs. It's not an insult, it's a fact.
Show us all something.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #70)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:31 PM

80. Call the WAAAAAHmbluance, the DLC fuckers are NOT entitled to out votes.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #80)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:37 PM

91. Honey, I'm not the one whining. I get out and know doors every election.

I vote every election......staying home or voting for those who want to take us back to the 1800s will hurt the youngest most.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #91)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:53 AM

356. "honey" is condescending

--would be a good idea to lose that

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #356)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:21 AM

400. So is the assumption that women and older people are all exactly alike.

And so is the notion that if we all don't do exactly what the OP wants a tantrum will ensue.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #400)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:16 PM

459. So address it

--but try to leave off the drippings.

The Millennials have a point. I am listening.

We all need to work together.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #356)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:43 PM

427. Not as much as " Call the WAAAAAHmbluance"

Which doesn't even make sense as a response to the post.

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Response to deurbano (Reply #427)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:14 PM

457. It makes sense

Whole lotta whining and blaming going on towards the non-voters in the last election. Doesn't help.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #457)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:27 PM

490. The person who started the whiny post is acusing others of whining and offers nothing to help.

Suggesting someone actually DO SOMETHING is not whining.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #490)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:05 PM

539. I tend to agree with the OP that

Hillary is not going to speak to younger voters. And why should she? She really represents the old not very progressive ways at this point.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #70)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:47 PM

112. When presented with a republican and somone pretending to be a democrat who's actually a republican

 

People will vote for the republican every time.

At least then, they know what to expect.

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Response to Veilex (Reply #112)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:41 PM

219. God Bless Harry Truman!

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #219)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:41 PM

221. +1

 

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Response to we can do it (Reply #59)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:28 PM

199. Libertarians are GOPers

Anywho, Howard "Kick Ass" Dean!

I'm 31 and will campaign for Hillary!!!!!!

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #199)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:39 PM

215. I'm coming up on 34, so not middle-aged. I'm so excited by Hillary.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #199)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:50 PM

431. I don't agree...

Another reason we've seen lost interest from Dem voters is because of this mindset. There are those of us within the party who identify as Libertarian Democrats. Please don't lump us in with those who have an alliance with the GOP. I hold many Libertarian beliefs, but will always vote blue.

There was a good piece by the Washington Post back in August of 2013.

Libertarian Democrats: A movement in search of a leader

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Response to we can do it (Reply #59)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:53 PM

296. It makes exactly the same kind of sense as farmers going Republican

The Dems lost the farm vote in the 1980s when farmers were losing land that had been in their families for generations. At the height of the crisis, they had both houses of Congress and could have offered low-cost refinancing for farmers hit by the double whammy of record high interest rates and low prices for agricultural products. Reagan might have vetoed such a measure (it would have messed up the plans of agribusiness), but if so, the Dems could have said, "You would have had low-cost refinancing if it hadn't been for Reagan's veto."

But they did nothing.

Then the Republicans went all culture war on the country, and rural people thought, "They don't do a thing for us economically, but they respect our social attitudes and community attitudes."

I'm sure Millennial voters understand that the Libertarians have nothing to offer in terms of a social safety net or environmental protection. HOWEVER, Libertarians are against foreign wars (fought mostly by young people), are for decriminalization of drugs, and were against the bank bailout (which angered both left and right wingers).

The Dems need to start tackling the real issues of the day, or else they'll go the way of the Whigs. Remember the Whigs? They were the second major party until the late 1850s, but they dithered about a bunch of unimportant issues and failed to deal decisively with the issue that was one everyone's mind: slavery.

A clever political party has its hand on the pulse of the voters. The Republican Party caters to its base, flatters them, reinforces their prejudices, and does everything it can to intensify the loyalty of the mean and dumb.

The Democratic Party tells its base that they should give money and volunteer but continually disrespects them. The only reason a lot of boomers are hanging on is that they remember how the Democratic Party used to be: the party of the Civil Rights Act and the War on Poverty. But even those ties are fraying.

It's interesting that in Minnesota, Al Franken (whom the Republicans absolutely loathe) won big, because he's not afraid to fight back. (And we are not an entirely blue state; not with Michelle Bachmann being replaced by a former failed candidate for governor).

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #296)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:45 AM

403. IMO it isn't the Democrats that will whither away.

The Dems need to start tackling the real issues of the day, or else they'll go the way of the Whigs. Remember the Whigs? They were the second major party until the late 1850s, but they dithered about a bunch of unimportant issues and failed to deal decisively with the issue that was one everyone's mind: slavery.

IMO, the Democrats will settle in as the new right-of-center party.

Third-way will keep dragging the party to the right, and Republicans will go further off into insanity in order to compete. That'll cause the Republicans to wither away, leaving Democrats as the mainstream right-of-center party - roughly where the Republicans were in the 1950's.

Some other party would become the new left-of-center mainstream party. That'll either be one of the existing parties, or a brand-new party formed when the left rebels against the Third-way types dragging the party right. It's not possible to have a single party support such a wide range of opinion, so some bloc is going to feel left out. And I expect the the party to keep blindly chasing Third-way's money instead of returning to the left. And they should pick up enough moderate Republicans to keep themselves electorally alive.

So I think we're in for a few decades of realignment chaos. We had a chance to miss that if Democrats had returned to the left. But Democrats failing to do that leaves Republicans no room to moderate.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #403)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:13 PM

522. I'm not sure yet whether I think the Dem. or Rep. Party will wither first.

I haven't though that through completely yet. That said, if you are correct, I would agree with all you have to say but this:
leaving Democrats as the mainstream right-of-center party - roughly where the Republicans were in the 1950's

Amend that to 1980s, and I think you'll be closer to the truth. Democrats have already gone past the 1950s Republican Party--Obama's a Reaganite, remember? If there is going to be a new left party, then they'll be pushed even farther to the right. I'd put them closer to the Bush Sr. or Clinton era Republicans. Possibly worse, as even now Democrats are supporting some of Bush Jr.'s policies.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:20 PM

64. If Millennials choose to go to the Libertarians, they know what they are doing...

they are adults, have access to the same information we do and obviously lean right to begin with and make the threat to go to the Libertarians rather empty of credibility.

It is not unlike the child in the candy store who throws themselves on the floor having a full blown tantrum because their parent won't buy them what they want. Eventually they learn tantrums don't result in them getting what they want. They grow up.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #64)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:05 PM

156. Except the problem here is that

if you won't offer them a candy bar, they're taking you down with them.

Do you really want to lose because your candidates are too cheap to buy a candy bar?

For all the crap I see about how dedicated people are as Democrats, talking about GOTV, door to door, donating, phonebanking, etc, they suddenly turn up their noses at the thought that candidates maybe should actually try to win votes by siding with poor people about things like student debt.

What good are the candidates, if they're not going to help people with the things people actually want help with? Why should we hire them into office if they're going to be bloody useless when it comes to the things we actually need them to work on?

When the rubber hits the road, the *only* GOTV that matters is candidates loudly and frequently telling people they'll do what the people want if the people will vote them in. Again, if your candidates aren't willing to do that, they're not worth voting for.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #156)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:12 PM

170. The Millennials won't get what they want unless they actually work for it...

throwing tantrums doesn't work. Empty threats are equally as ineffective. Millennials staying home will get repubs, I guess that is what they really want but would rather not come right out and own it.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #170)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:42 PM

223. We ARE working for it, just not through the party mandarins

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #223)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:50 PM

234. That looks great! I'm betting the active members of your organization...

voted, most of them anyway. I hope so. My criticism is toward those who don't vote, don't do anything but whine about the work others are doing.

The goal of your organization is very important, kudos to all who are working on this.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:28 PM

71. Seen it - Hillary has ZERO chance of capturing that vote to any significant degree. My kids and all their friends think she's an absolute joke.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #71)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:30 PM

77. Yep, my generation sees in HRC everything we don't like about Boomers.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #77)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:39 PM

93. Just asked my son; said same thing; commented how Hillary gamed the system, sat on Walmart board, etc, then pretends she didn't grow up privileged & now lookin out 4 the little guy...

In his words: puhhleease!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #93)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:42 PM

102. Two words: "Goldwater Girl".

She's always been a conservative at heart. She only because a Dem because she married a Southerner back when most white Southerners were conservative Democrats. She is a shameless social climber with a streak of authoritarian moralistic nanny.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #102)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:48 PM

114. Elizabeth Warren was once a republican, she is now a Democrat...

should I hold her past against her, I sure hope not! I quite like her.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #114)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:53 PM

126. Her change was genuine.

Hillary's was all about fitting in to 70s Arkansas politics.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #126)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:01 PM

145. Ahhh, so it really isn't the "Goldwater Girl" thing at all...

you simply don't like Hillary but needed to throw in the "Goldwater Girl" snark for good measure. I suspect you forgot Elizabeth Warren was a former republican when you did it.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #145)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:35 PM

461. I don't care about that at all. I care about what she stands for now

Permanent war, TPP, Keystone XL and getting all cosy with banksters. I don't like it, and I'm turning 68 in a couple of weeks.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #126)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:11 AM

363. I don't know about this - And I'm not ready to coronate Hilllary

At ALL.

But Warren is going to have to answer to a solid voting bloc on the left - black women of all ages -

For being a solid Republican in 1994. You should look up the contract on America and see who their number one target was. Even Pat Buchanan came straight out and said what the goal was there.


She was genuinely worried about her own personal finances - she was not genuinely concerned for me when I was a 21 year old black woman at University. She went with the people who said I'd have 5 babies by that age and was on welfare and needed to be punished.


The three front runners from DU all have problems - Bernie Sanders has the least. . .

But I still want to see who else is out there.

I don't blame you for the student loan thing and that making Warren appealing. But she better knock it off in terms of those of us who DEFIED her party 20 years ago and were financially successful through tenacity, perseverance and sacrifice.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #363)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:46 AM

383. She'll have to answer to LGBT people as well, particularly those of us old enough to remember Reagan

 

and the exact nature of the horrific genocidal policy she ardently supported. She says all she cared about was her own money. She made millions while tens of thousands died and she and her Party did nothing but laugh about the sick and dying.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #383)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:53 AM

384. You are correct



And the peppy perky thing doesn't work with everyone. She was on Bill Maher a few weeks ago and it was 'rah rah rah cheer cheer cheer'. Very 'on'. . . which might translate well in Massachusetts - but I kind of felt like it was forced.

It just felt 'forced'.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #114)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:06 AM

391. Hold her to her word, Warren would expect that.

 

Hillary -- windsock Hillary HAS no word, and That is the problem.

She doesn't stand for anything that people care about. Sure she says pretty speeches about womens and childrens rights but on the other side of her face she supports conflicts that rip apart these same women and children. Just her yapping about things does not make them any better - but that's Photo Op Hillary for you.

She says she understands how the middle class feels about economic inequities but thinks she and Bill were 'dead broke' coming out of the WH. What utter stupidicious nonsense. It's appalling she thinks we are all so bloody stupid as to believe that 3 hole outhouse nonsense.

She makes no fucking sense most of the time. It is so apparent she is reading flash cards from her 'advisors' and not saying things she truly believes in, which is money and power because I don't believe she cares about much else.

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Response to LawDeeDah (Reply #391)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:18 AM

398. I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton, never have been...

back to First Lady. I think she did a good job as Secretary of State. If she is the nominee, I don't think it's going to be a cakewalk at all.

Whoever the nominee turns out to be is going to have a tough time, Bernie Sanders' being a socialist will be a hard sell to many, Warren having been a long-time republican will be a hard sell to many as well.

Sanders might run, he seems to be making noises in that direction, I don't think Warren will if Clinton does. If, and it's a BIG if, Clinton decides not to run, all bets are off, imo, and it is a wide open field.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #398)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:17 PM

414. She did a *terrible* job as Secretary of State.

 


The White House had to repeatedly walk back statements she made in public that were at odds with the administration's positions. I have never, in four decades of actively paying attention to these things. observed an administration official make that mistake more than once.

Making that mistake even once is often enough to get you fired. But it is clear the Obama administration was trying to mollify the PUMAs, so they kept her on.

Also, lest we forget, the Special Envoy to the Middle East reported to the White House, not the State Department during her tenure at State. The day Kerry replaced her, the Envoy was re-assigned to State. That right there is a rather embarrassing statement as to how the Obama administration really saw her.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #414)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:23 PM

417. wow. Very damning...

 

Also, lest we forget, the Special Envoy to the Middle East reported to the White House, not the State Department during her tenure at State. The day Kerry replaced her, the Envoy was re-assigned to State. That right there is a rather embarrassing statement as to how the Obama administration really saw her.

Wow, again. I've always suspected that Obama and Clinton weren't as 'friendly' as the press insisted. I wouldn't be surprised if instead of Obama 'pleading' (or some such nonsense) with Hillary to take the SoS job while she mulled it over and insisted on pretty pleases a few times, I wouldn't be surprised if it was reversed - where the Clintons insisted she get the SoS job and Obama hesitantly gave it to her, but with restrictions like you mention above.

I just can't see the Clintons and the Obamas being friends or seeing eye to eye on many things.

Got to add another Wow. Is there a source for this somewhere you can link? I'd like to read more about that, or I can google around later.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #414)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:23 PM

418. I think she did a good job...

you don't, so be it.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #102)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:14 PM

174. What gives you the right to infer something

 

nefarious on an individuals true motive, without any sense of evidence. Like most of us we evolve, our opinions on many different things will reflect our experiences in our lives. We evaluate our own pre-conceived notions, our respective biases. I suspect that you will not be exempt from this evolution or devolution. Just don't make the bloody mistake of casting aspersions on any individuals you happen to detest.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #102)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:49 PM

232. Think you summed it up nicely.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #102)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:43 AM

382. Warren was a long term Republican, a Ronald Reagan loyalist, she voted for anti gay, anti choice

 

policies repeatedly, she voted a second time for Reagan in the midst of his vicious silence about AIDS, she cast her second Ronnie vote over the bodies of more than 20,000 dead. Then she voted for George 'Poppy' Bush. She says she did not care about anything but 'the markets' and felt Reagan was very good on 'the markets'. She made about 10 million under Reagan, consulting for coal and that sort of thing.
So Goldwater Girl? Hillary was a Democratic First Lady when Warren was out there organizing for Bush. Bush. George Bush.
I don't like Hillary much, but one thing I like less than Third Way is a double fucking standard. If one person is evil because of a single youthful Republican vote, then the other is worse because of many years of Republican loyalty. You can't have it both ways. The fact that Warren supporters try to have that both ways makes me dislike them intently. 'This person is bad because she once snorted a line of coke, but the other person is great because she snorted an ounce of coke a week for 20 years....'

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #382)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:01 PM

469. And Clinton didn't even vote for Goldwater...

Her 17th birthday was a week before the '64 election. She was 16 (or less) for almost the entirety of Goldwater's campaign. (The voting age was still 21 in 1964, so she wasn't even close to voting; she was barely old enough in time for '68.) She campaigned for Eugene McCarthy (a Democrat, running on an anti-war platform) in the 1968 primaries.

As I have previously said, there are plenty of real reasons to oppose Clinton, but this is just fabricated.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #102)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:51 PM

434. There are many real reasons to criticize Hillary Clinton; you don't need to make things up.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/democrat/clinton/hillary.shtml

<<During summers she worked as a life guard at a local pool and, as a teenager, became active in social causes. Her youth minister, Reverend Don Jones of the United Methodist Church, urged the group to work with inner city blacks and Hispanics in hopes of conquering racism. Hillary took his advice and organized a babysitting service for immigrants. Jones also encouraged Hillary to develop her intellectual interest and loaned her books on theology.

Despite signs of liberalism, Hillary and her parents were staunch Republicans -- she helped out on Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign. After graduating from Maine South High School in 1965 (she finished in the top 5% of her class and was voted Most Likely to Succeed) she enrolled at Wellesley College, an all female school outside Boston.

At Wellesley she became the head of the Young Republicans, but her politics began to shift to the left. The social unrest of the 1960s, specifically the assassinations of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. as well as violence against anti-war protesters at the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago, combined with her early predilection for social activism eventually led her to the Democratic party. She worked for Democrat Eugene McCarthy's presidential campaign in 1968. (Bill Clinton supported Robert Kennedy's campaign.)

In 1969 Hillary graduated from Wellesley and, as student body president, gave her famous commencement address. She dismissed the speaker before her, Republican Senator Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, as irrelevant and gave a speech that described Wellesley's student experience in a personal way. She and her speech were featured in the next issue of Life magazine.

After a summer working for Marian Wright Edelman at a group that would become the Children's Defense Fund, Hillary enrolled at Yale Law school -- where she learned to combine social activism with a legal career. She met her future husband, Bill Clinton, during her second year of law school in 1971.>>

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Response to deurbano (Reply #434)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:39 PM

463. Yes, there is but being a former republican isn't if, by the same token.

you don't criticize Elizabeth Warren as well, that was my point. To criticize one and praise the other ignoring their past is hypocritical, imo.

Criticize away.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #463)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:42 PM

464. Warren is not being called inevitable.

 

And Clinton has issues with black voters. I do not like some of the things she said, sounded racist.
Actually, the stuff she said WAS racist, and she never aoplogized or acknowleged it was wrong.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #464)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:51 PM

466. I have said in another post, I am no fan of Hillary Clinton, never have been...

I was disgusted by both Hillary and Bill at their comments in South Carolina, I am pretty sure it was South Carolina but will stand corrected if it was not, comments that were, to me, ugly dog whistle comments and I posted about their comments at the time they were made.

I am not surprised she has a problem with black voters given those comments, she should.

I am advocating voting, not supporting Hillary as the candidate, I just think if she ends up being the Democratic nominee, she would still be better than anyone the republicans will nominate and, at the very least, do less harm to black voters than any, any republican. I know that's not much to offer but it's what I truly believe.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #466)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:55 PM

467. I think it's time to stop seeing things in that way.

 

We are tired of voting for the less racist racist. It has not helped us to advance as we should by keeping silent and voting for them anyway. Maybe if we DON't vote for ANY racist, then racists will know they are not wanted as president and the party whose racist loses will purge them.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #467)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:04 PM

470. That works ONLY if republicans quit too, they won't...

what will happen is the republicans will appoint an Attorney General who will accelerate voter suppression aimed at black voters as well as other minorities, the poor and the vulnerable. A republican Congress will reduce social programs that help, again black voters as well as other minorities, the poor and the vulnerable. They will take the funding from those programs and give it to the wealthy in the form of further tax cuts.

There is no easy way to change a system that isn't working, it is hard, heavy slogging that makes change possible. Holding back one's vote does little except give the republicans more and more power, imo.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #463)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:07 PM

471. I agree with you... and besides, Clinton's first presidential vote was for a Democrat.

She was a "Goldwater Girl" at 16. She turned 17 right before the election at a time when the voting age was 21. (I think you are mistaking me for someone else.)

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Response to deurbano (Reply #471)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:10 PM

472. Oops, will recheck who it was I meant to reply to...

sorry about that!

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Response to Spazito (Reply #472)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:11 PM

473. No problem.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:03 PM

151. +1

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:10 PM

46. Didn't take much did it?

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:33 PM

82. Even fewer people showed up to vote for single-payer advocates in the primaries. So no, it doesn't

seem like giving people something to vote for automatically brings out the vote.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:01 PM

144. go to vote anyway. there is no excuse ever. write in someone else if you can't

vote for the listed candidate. Vote anyway. Its our DUTY. I have been voting since forever and I have never missed a vote, ever. Its my duty to the future.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #144)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:09 PM

167. You are speaking to the choir, here.

I DO get out and vote, even in mid-terms and off-year local elections. It is getting my peers to vote that is getting harder and harder as the cynicism and anger towards the system grows. A growing number of my peers think completely overthrowing the system is the only option. Mark my words, their not voting is NOT a sign of apathy, it is a sign of impending revolution coming in the 2020s if things don't change.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #167)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:18 PM

184. its a vicious thing not voting because it makes it inevitable. I expect revolution and will

participate. I'm old but I love my youngsters ... all youngsters and oldsters everywhere. It really makes me tired. We need to Operation Wall Street the DNC. DO IT SOMEONE! Make them sorry they ignore us. I live in Alaska but for the revolution, I will walk if I have to. What a sorry ass country we have become.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:04 PM

251. You're making Millennials out to be a bunch of wimps.

Was that your intent?

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #251)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:05 PM

254. OWS was full of wimps?

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #254)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:22 PM

271. Well, I was part of Occupy here in NC, and don't consider myself a wimp.

But threatening not voting because old farts insult you is pretty damn wimpy. Get over yourselves.

Now that I think of it, most of the Moral Mondays protesters were the boomers you have such issues with. Stop the bullshit division.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:55 AM

340. Why are you so entitled?

Vote because you are citizens. Demand of others means you think you are entitled to be served by people who, well, if you don't bother to vote, don't have to give you anything. You aren't entitled to be given anything. We are not going to beg you. In fact, you are not so numerous as baby boomers would be, so they have more clout at the polls. At least they don't demand to be given anything. Being subjected to the draft made them active and they were. So they are not going to cotton to demanders who feel entitled.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:36 AM

380. Hey, 'something to vote for'? Ironic. I would have loved it if the worst thing on my early ballots

 

was a less than perfect candidate. Here is what I was offered at 18. Something to vote against. Here is what it said on my first general election ballot:
"Prohibit gays and supporters of gay rights from teaching in public schools - Yes or No".

Give us something to vote FOR you demand. So precious. Because of those before you, you will probably never have to see a ballot measure that holds your group up for specific discrimination. But I had to see that, and let me tell you this, when people say they did not vote because the offerings were not savory enough for them, I think of that Briggs Amendment. I wonder if your precious generation would like to see THAT sort of 'motivator' on their ballots or if they are in fact happy that their elders took care of so much business while they were in diapers? Would you be happier, Odin, if we were still voting 'Fire all the gays-Yes or No'? Is that the level of dramatics you need to feel 'compelled' to vote?

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:24 PM

485. Every election is about choices and compromise

As pointed out, Clinton's Senate record is quite progressive, with differences between Republicans on nearly every key issue, although no candidate pleases their base all the time.

Then we have SCOTUS, the most partisan in history, one that voted for unprecedented special interest money (Citizens United) strictly on party lines 5-4, and may strip 10 million Americans of health care subsidies next year. Put a Republican in office and the Scalia-types are replaced with more Scalias.

If your peers don't know the differences between candidates and the implications of elections, they aren't spending much time paying attention.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:25 PM

486. I agree with you

My granddaughter voted for the first time this election (she just turned 18). She wanted to cast her vote for Wendy Davis. After that it was slim pickins (not the Dr. Strangelove guy).

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Response to Spazito (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:57 PM

13. Who needs 'em ...

right?

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:08 PM

41. They are non-voters so their vote isn't lost, it wasn't given...

One has to vote before threats to hold back that vote carries any weight, the Millennials who chose not to vote in November while whining about student loans, the lack of action on the environment, etc, kept their principles, I guess, while they lost ANY chance of the changes they demand.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:50 PM

118. "They are non-voters so their vote isn't lost" - not quite accurate

 

Because they didn't vote last time HRC was up doesn't mean they wont vote this time around... particularly if there is someone who speaks to their issues.

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Response to Veilex (Reply #118)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:56 PM

134. The repubs were speaking more to their issues than the Dems in November?

Wow, I must have missed that or maybe they missed the Dems trying to pass student loan reforms and the repubs stopped it. I think it's the latter myself.

Not showing up in November says it all when it comes to how important their issues are to them, not so important it seems.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #134)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:03 PM

152. Honestly? "trying to pass student loan reforms" was too little too late.

 

And ask any millennial what their top priority is, and its not going to be lower loan rates (although that might be in the top 5). Their top concern is going to jobs. Simple as that. To quote master yoda "Do or do not. There is no try."
In other words, millennials (and a sizable number of the populace) are giving no credit for a failed attempt.

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Response to Veilex (Reply #152)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:07 PM

162. Ahhh, then they also missed the jobs program the Dems tried to get passed...

and the repubs blocked. Not voting guaranteed they won't be seeing any improvement in the job situation for the next two years or even longer, they are more likely to see it get even worse. Smart move on their part, right?

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Response to Spazito (Reply #162)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:40 PM

217. If I looked at it purely as you put it, no, not smart at all... however...

 

Like nearly everything in politics, there's more going on than what is taken at face value. For example; the refusal to either force republicans to actually filibuster, rather than backing down from mere threats of it, or the elimination of the filibuster... that's a pretty big issue considering the obstruction that has been kept in place by the republicans. In light of that, I'd also have a hard time of giving Dems credit for attempting a jobs bill and yet, not doing away with the filibuster.

As far as I can see, they have a valid gripe.

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Response to Veilex (Reply #217)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:04 PM

253. One can have a valid gripe but it goes nowhere if all you do is gripe...

and not recognize anyone who doesn't achieve 100% of what you are griping about while doing nothing toward helping them actually achieve it.

Now that the repubs are in control of the Senate, thanks in part to non-voters, do you still want abolishment of the filibuster?

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Response to Spazito (Reply #253)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:37 AM

332. "it goes nowhere if all you do is gripe" - But clearly they did more than just gripe.

 

They chose to refuse to continue to vote for those who had the ability to get legislation passed, and did not. I'd say that most certainly is something. Maybe not what you or I would prefer certainly, but our personal desires aside, it is still certainly something.

In this case, the Dems could have either eliminated the filibuster OR forced the repubs to actually hold a filibuster. Either one would have gone a long way toward showing disaffected voters (not just the millennials), that they were going to actually attempt to do the will of the majority rather than a token effort.

As it stands, I think millennials and an unfortunate number of Dem-leaning voters felt that not enough was done.

I cannot, reasonably, say they are wrong.

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Response to Veilex (Reply #152)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:23 PM

191. That's bloody stupid

 

To give no credit for a failed attempt means that if one party manages to stand in the way, then there's no benefit to the party that made the effort do get to the preferred policy.

At which point, the correct move for a party is to do nothing for that constituency as they simply won't vote and so the party should focus on those who do vote. So congrats on not giving credit for good faith efforts and how it cuts their own noses off to spite their faces.

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Response to mythology (Reply #191)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:31 PM

203. I respect your opinion, however, I disagree.

 

I think its rather smart. Particularly since both parties have used failed "attempts" for purely political cover. This is to say, congress critters occasionally put minimal effort into getting something done... usually just enough to claim they tried to accomplish something. This is a common and frequently enough used tactic that the political arena is effectively little more than kabuki theater. In nearly any other job, consistently failing at your job would get you fired.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:21 PM

190. And Democrats lost big, too.

 

You did notice that, I assume.

This attitude that the party leadership knows best and voters can go to hell if they don't agree is just asinine. If you want people to vote for you, you have to give them something to vote for. Two decades of triangulation has left us with a Democratic Party that doesn't really stand for much of anything, in the eyes of younger voters.

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Response to Marr (Reply #190)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:33 PM

208. Young voters get it, it's the young non-voters who need to grow up...

If they want change they need to get out and work for it not sit back and simply demand it. So far I see only demands and no work.

They are adults but have yet to accept the responsibility of being so, still demanding their immediate needs be fulfilled without lifting a finger to earn it. I guess no one told them there is no Santa Claus.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #208)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:37 PM

213. You need *NEW VOTERS*.

 

Playing silly word games like, 'they aren't voters because they didn't vote' might sooth your ego, but it won't do jack shit to win an election. They should have been voters. And many would have been, had they been given a reason to vote.

Parties have to attract voters. Centrists don't dispute this point when talking about appealing to so-called 'moderates'. Why deny it when talking about young voters?

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Response to Marr (Reply #213)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:13 PM

262. Moderates tend to vote, the young non-voters don't...

Yes, parties do need to attract new voters while keeping their regular voters as well and, when push comes to shove, the issues that keep their regular voters are every bit as important as those of the young. Threatening, demanding action without doing a damn thing oneself doesn't achieve their aims at all. Not voting sure as hell doesn't, does it.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #262)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:16 PM

266. So we need to cater to "moderates", but every other group should vote Democratic just

 

because you say so.

This seems just a tad self-serving.

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Response to Marr (Reply #266)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:35 PM

282. No, you used the moderates as an example so I continued by using your example...

Parties want to keep the voters they can count on, including moderates, coming out while they work to entice new voters as well. It is not all or nothing. There are going to be issues the party supports that do not interest some voters but they still vote because they know the party is also trying to work on their issues as well.

The Dems tried to get a Student Loans reform bill through, the repubs blocked it; the Dems tried to get a Jobs bill through, the repubs blocked it; the Dems tried to get an Immigration bill through, the repubs blocked it; the Dems tried to get Environmental bills through, the repubs blocked them. These are issues I believe the young want addressed yet all too many didn't show up when it counted so saying attention paid to the issues of the young will bring them out to vote doesn't ring true, imo.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:34 PM

209. We got them out in 2008, and then DNC fucked them over, used them, treated

them like shit.

Wall Street crime, fracking pollution, deep water drilling, spying on our families, sending millions more jobs to Asia, prosecuting whistle blowers, backing down from immigration reform, charter schools, militarized police, Ferguson, Occupy Wall Street, Wisconsin, Afghanistan surge, Israel, on and on.

Democratic leadership even called them "fucking retarded" and here on DU we are called "rat fuckers".

The Democratic Party doesn't give a shit about liberals. They hate them. That's how effective Fox News has become, Democratic Party has bought into the lies about liberals.

Liberals remind conservatives of their reckless, cold blooded immorality. The path from conservative (neo-con/neo-lib) policy to the demise of the middle class and our disparate economic and justice systems is short and straight one.

As much as DNC hates liberals, they still need us to pull a lever, fill in a circle, send money. Money for nothing.

That's not a good way to get out the vote.



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Response to whereisjustice (Reply #209)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:36 PM

284. That's what I see, too, a lot of disillusioned young people

The young voters, bless 'em, really believed that Obama represented CHANGE.

Then Obama widened the war in Afghanistan, pushed through Mitt Romney's health plan, kept the Patriot Act, appointed Wall Street types and Republicans to the Cabinet, prosecuted whistleblowers, and pursued even more job-killing trade bills.

I think their attitude can be summed up by an Old Country proverb that I first heard in the 1970s movie Hester Street, "You can't piss on my head and tell me it's raining."

Obama's enthusiastic volunteers feel that they were had.

If the DNC had INTENDED to discourage the youth vote, they couldn't have done a better job of it.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #284)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:11 AM

313. Meanwhile, DNC hacks and the party apparatus think they are winning at 3rd chess. eom


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Response to whereisjustice (Reply #209)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:58 PM

299. Well, if they think they were "fucked over" by the DNC, they haven't seen anything yet...

with the repubs in control for two years or longer, they are really going to know what being "fucked over" means.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #299)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:06 AM

311. the strategy of "oh yeah, a Democratic fucking over is better than a Republican fucking over"

is stupid and backfiring. People don't respond to threats. They call bullshit.

That's why Democrats will continue to lose.

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Response to whereisjustice (Reply #311)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:12 PM

413. And that's why those who choose to vote will continue to whine while ...

nothing changes. I'm old, my life is pretty well all it's going to be now, climate change isn't going to affect me much, it will devastate the same young, whiny non-voting millennials who can't be bothered to do a damn thing to better their lives, whining works so well.

Non-voting Millennials are fucking over themselves.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #299)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:52 AM

407. The Democrats have been trying "We're less bad" for some time now

Maybe it is time to try a different strategy.

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #407)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:07 PM

412. Yeah, it's time to stop mollycuddling the whiny, non-voting Millennials...

they need to stand up and be counted so those of us detested baby boomers can step down. So far, I don't see them stepping up to the plate, take their responsibilities to society seriously, take ANY responsibility at all.

The different strategy needed is for the whiny, non-voting Millennials to grow the hell up.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #412)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:17 PM

415. How, exactly, have the Democrats been mollycuddling them?

When Obama gave them a reason to vote in 2008 they showed up and voted. Then he promptly returned to business as usual.

Your strategy to shout at them to "grow up" and LIKE domestic spying, war, permanent tax cuts for the wealthy, the greatest income inequality in 100 years is guaranteed to keep losing.

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #415)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:22 PM

416. Again, if you don't like what's happening, get off Facebook and Twitter, work for change...

whining about it while doing squat makes whatever you are whining about increasingly irrelevant, imo.

Growing up means taking responsibility for change instead of expecting others to do it for you.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #412)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:27 PM

422. If they see posts like this and the anti millenial attitude takes over the party.

 

They will come out to vote against the people that seem to hate them and think they are lazy and stupid.
Republicans know they have to convince people to vote for them. Why do Democrats not know this?
Rand Paul is doing OUR outreach that we are too good to do, for us. He went to Ferguson , Hillary did not. He reaches out to the youth and asks them what they want. He goes to Detroit to speak with the Black residents. He wants millenial votes and the Black vote. If we keep treating our own base like useful idiots who should just shut up and vote for us and expect absolutely nothing, they will vote for him. I have young cousins living in the Hood who love Rand Paul because he wants to end the Drug war that has put so many of them, their friends, their relatives, their fathers, their uncles, their husbands, in jail. Our politicians are drug warriors who allow the drug war to assault young people and minorities. And we expect to get their votes without even speaking with them? Rand Paul does sit downs with Blacks and Millenials, we call them lazy and stupid and refuse to be seen with a black president.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #422)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:32 PM

424. If a post on a relative small forum will make them go out and vote against their own...

interests, well, what does that say about them?

It says to me they need to grow the hell up.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #424)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:40 PM

426. "And the anti Millennial attitude takes over the Party"

 

You missed a portion of my text that was necessary. If the antimillennial attitude takes over the party, it would not be in their best interests to vote for the party who hates them.
You need to read the whole thing, drop the anger, and think about it.
Nobody likes to be called names and have things DEMANDED of them, with not return. They don't NEED us to get things done, WE need THEM. They got their stuff on the ballot, I signed clip boards held by college kids and spent some time hanging in parking lots for more signatures. They raised their OWN minimum wage and tied it to inflation, to call them lazy is absurd and condescending.
They legalized MJ. They protected the Bristol Bay. They walked around and got signatures to repeal the antiunion law. The kids were the ones I saw walking around in the cold getting signatures, them and genxers, but moreso the youth. They voted just as much as your generation did in their time.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #426)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:51 PM

432. You think I have influence over the party?

Seriously? Expecting Millennials to grow and take responsibility for their own futures is hating on them? Wow, just wow.

The ones my criticism is directed at are the ones who DON'T do a damn thing except whine about how they aren't getting what they want while blaming others for it. The ones who ARE out there trying to make a difference are taking responsibility. The Millennials who are out there working their asses off trying to make a difference would, most likely, have the same criticism of their compatriots who expect them to do the work while they do nothing. Would you call their criticism hate as well?

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Response to Spazito (Reply #432)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:02 PM

442. Not you. If the attitude takes over the party.

 

Like, if it spreads and keeps spreading.
You are very angry at a whole group of people who behaved just as your generation did. It's not like you guys had record breaking levels of voting when you were our age, so why so mad? You guys didn't want to vote for your grandfathers politicians, and they don't either. I do it reluctantly, but I only got serious about it after 2004 when bush got reelected. I missed the registration deadline because I had just moved back up here, but I at least wanted to vote and only because I hated Bush. I have never missed another opportunity to vote.

As they age, they will vote. They need something to vote for and a party that welcomes them.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #442)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:12 PM

443. I voted when I was 20 something, 30 something, etc, etc, etc,

and many of my generation did the same, one has only to check the voting percentages over time to see that so I disagree with your "who behaved just as your generation did". Our generation did turn out and, often, just as now no one had to "give me something to vote for", often there was little that was going to directly benefit me but the other party was going to hurt many, many people and that was enough for me.

Why do you feel a special invitation is needed before others, not you as you vote even if you have to hold your nose while doing so, can be expected to do their civic duty? I guarantee you I didn't EVER receive such an invitation yet I vote and am proud to do so even though, at times, even holding my nose is difficult and a gas mask would be more suitable.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #443)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:14 PM

444. What generation are you?

 

We can look at the numbers. If you see that the numbers are similar, will that calm you a bit?
I'd really like to try that excersize and see if we can end the generation war today, early. There is plenty each generation can learn from each other.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #444)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:26 PM

446. I was born in 1953, I'm one of those baby boomers...

I guarantee you you will not find a 13% turn out for my generation when we were 20 - 30. The Vietnam war was raging, we voted.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #446)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:34 PM

447. How did you vote?

 

Did your generation vote red or blue? Seems like many boomers ended up being for Nixon and Reagan.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #447)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:54 PM

451. I always vote left...

Here's a graph showing Congress, the results of mid-term elections as well as Presidential which should give you a good idea of where boomers were at that time. Note the blue Congress during the time we are discussing.



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Response to Spazito (Reply #451)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:05 PM

454. I think that when our generation is fully adult..

 

Our voting percentages will go up, and we are on the left. More left libertarian than you guys, but definately left.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #454)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:36 PM

462. Okay, bravenak, lets you and I, a baby boomer and a Millennial put aside our differences and...

really talk.

It is the mid-terms, the election of Congressional candidates, both Senate and House, that's key, it's not the election of the President. If the most progressive Presidential candidate wins but both the House and Senate are controlled by republicans, that progressive President can do nothing except veto bills, a veto which can be overruled by a 2/3rds vote in Congress, and issue Executive Orders which are both temporary and severely limited.

Mid-terms are key, the republicans seem to get this more than the left, they get out their voters, using hate and fear, ugly tactics but effective. My intense frustration comes from the seemingly lack of understanding where the real power lies, it is with Congress where there are elections every two years yet the turnout, especially but not exclusive to Millennials as GenXers and some baby boomers, happens during a Presidential election.

If one is going to skip an election, less harm is done if it is for the President than skipping the mid-term Congressional ones.

Do Millennials understand where the real power lies?

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Response to Spazito (Reply #462)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:14 PM

474. Millenials are not all grown up yet.

 

I am among the oldest, my group votes. As time goes on, they follow our lead and vote like we do. I have gotten my cousins who are in their twenties to vote, but none of my older cousins ever did. I learned from my mother battling with her white conservative husband. His listened to Rush and gave me a reason to vote. I voted against him and his ilk.
We also were the ones who were grown when 9-11 happened. We know that it does mattet who is sitting behind the desk. We know that congree gets nothing done and haven't overridden many vetos in years. We know that republicans cannot override a veto with out democratic help. We know that the party doesn't want to hear what we have got to say. We know they see us as a burden.
What do you do when you aren't being heard? Being ignored? You scream or you go away. Some went away. Some realized that they will never get anything waiting on or asking for or trying to force the parties to change. So ballot measures are the way they can have a voice. And if the win, then the losing party should take tips from them, not bash them for not coming out for them.

You see, we live in a time different from yours, we have no privacy , the prison state targets us and the politicians increase funding and give tanks to those who would imprison us for using banned substances. It's all pain and no pleasure anymore. We have a whoke generation of black children growing up withoupt fathers and with mothers working 2 minimum wages jobs and we expect them to worry about Civics? Maybe the could if we stopped locking up their nonviolent fathers for trying to earn enough to kerp them off welfare. What does the dem party say about issues like this? Nothing. Still being all tough on crime, tough on youth, tough to understand.

We don't want the same exact things that people in their 60's or 70's want or think we should want. We want relief from the anxiety. Are eemocrats offering anysolutions beyond, I'll hurt you, but the next guy will really fuck you over.

Time to update the party. It needs to happen often and yes, the voters needs and wants have to be considered. Otherwise they won't vote for us. Simple as that. And ranting about lazy youth will not get them on our side. It will push them to Libertarians who WANT them and need them and seem willing to include somethings they want into the platform. They can pull libertarians left and leave us high and dry.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #474)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:22 PM

482. Sadly, there isn't a lot of time to give for them to grow up...

the devastating actions that will be taken by republicans, who are no longer relatively moderate as they were during my younger years, will happen quickly and the effects of those actions will hurt the younger people much, much more than they will me.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #482)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:26 PM

488. And we will just have to wait our turn and get rid of conservatism.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #488)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:31 PM

495. Choosing not to vote puts your needs at the end of the line, not the front or even...

the middle. Again, the right votes, they will continue to vote, young voters on the right vote, old voters on the right vote and, because they do, they will control the agenda because they will control Congress.

Not voting IS not only "waiting our turn" it's handing over your turn to those who DO vote, handing it over to conservatives.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #446)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:59 PM

535. So you had a reason to vote when you were 20-30.

That is what everyone in this thread is trying to tell you - today's Dems don't give anyone a reason to vote for them, particularly young people. "we're not as bad as the other guys" is getting old. They're applying for a job to represent us, yet we get no representation. Why should people vote for someone that is not going to represent them?

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Response to Kermitt Gribble (Reply #535)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:07 PM

541. No, I held my nose more times than not...

but I still voted because the other party was sure to do more damage than the one I was voting for. I can count on one hand the number of times I joyfully voted FOR someone over my 40 years of voting but I still voted. Sometimes you have to vote against something worse.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #443)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:19 PM

546. "often there was little that was going to directly benefit me but the other party...

was going to hurt many, many people and that was enough for me."

Seriously. This is the part I don't get. Do non-voting Millennials not understand the overall harm caused by the Republican Party? Perhaps they need to stop focusing on Kim Kartrashian's bleached eyebrows and focus on something that really matters...

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #546)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:38 PM

552. I don't know, I've tried every which way to get that point across...

without success but, damn, I intend to keep trying.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #426)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:50 PM

503. Thank you for this bravenak

My kids and grandkids have worked hard at all these issues, and I'm getting a bit sick of hearing them dumped on by the very people who built this corrupt system.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #503)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:53 PM

504. Me too.

 

I feel guilty like Reaganomics was my fault and I was a baby . I will not be blaming my kids or grandkids for not caring about what I care about. I will give them something to care about.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #504)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:14 PM

509. I cast my vote for Carter...

For the second time. I remember how disappointed I was when Reagan was elected.

That election also showed me that the liberal, leftist man I thought I married, was in fact a bigoted asshole.

Live and learn. I don't think he has ever forgiven me for raising our kids to be so liberal. Hah.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #509)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:18 PM

510. My mom voted for Carter too.

 

She said it was her last good vote until Obama. My stepdad was fully conservative and would set himself on fire if he were alive if he saw me. Funny cause he was kinda a hippie until the 80's, but he got weird when Rush came out. Very authoritarian. He voted for Reagan and Bush1. My mom voted Clinton behind his back. He used to give her a slip of paper with the way he wanted her to vote written on it. She would smile and thank him, and promptly vote for anyone NOT on the list.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #510)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:30 PM

514. Good for her

Curious - Did your father become a property owner around that time?

Not long after my husband and I bought our house, he seemed to go conservative. I saw that same pattern in many of my old "hippie" friends.

Something about owning property makes people afraid?

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #514)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:35 PM

516. Late 70's he and his first wife bought a place in racist Canyon Country.

 

He was a white guy. Changed him I think.
He was suddenly scared of people taking his stuff, was anti affirmative action, and lost a child when he drove over a cliff on angel dust. I think that did it. Guilt complex and scared of retribution.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #516)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:11 PM

520. My ownership theory holds up a large percentage of the time.

I've seen way too many times here on DU the whining over property values when somebody doesn't keep their lawn up to their sense of aesthetics. No heart, no soul.

I call them Reagan Democrats. I think we call them Third Way now.

I'm happy to see my children and grandchildren take up the cause. I hope they hold some feet to the fire. Too many from my generation have become weak.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #520)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:13 PM

521. I see that in my generation too.

 

As they get money they lose empathy and just cannot imagine people living so much differently than them. Then they look down on them from on high like nobles whose slaves are not obeying.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #521)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:32 PM

524. I see this has become a rather long thread. Haha

I have been wondering about the progress of your book. I'm looking forward to reading it.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #524)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:38 PM

526. It is pretty long.

 

An airing of grievances was needed around here apparently. I have been working on the book slowly, the longer it gets, the harder it seems to wrap it up. Been Working on poetry too. Submitting it and getting some published. Hopefully I'll finish that book though, but I may rewrite it with a different angle. Trying to decide , but I'm not in a rush. I have multiple works going at once right now and the shift between books and characters take me a bit to get going. I'm glad it's winter.

I wrote a poem and posted it in African American. You should read it. It's kind of appropriate for this thread , I would repost it but I hate Vanity threads. Poetry has been distracting me lately. Helps manage my anxiety.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #526)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:43 PM

528. I read it. I liked it.

I wasn't logged in at the time to rec (work).

Don't forget me when your book is finished.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #528)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:46 PM

529. I will tell you as soon as I finish.

 

I have time this winter to get on it. Maybe by spring? Slower than I thought.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #529)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 05:50 PM

532. Thank you (nt)

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Response to bravenak (Reply #422)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:19 PM

479. My what tender young souls. What would they have done facing the 60s discrimination?

If you don't stop this I will just stay home or vote to continue it.....sheesh.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #479)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:24 PM

484. I still face discrimination today. It ain't over by a long shot.

 

Have you ever face discrimination like the sixties? I have. If you haven't does that mean you're soft and tender? Weak? Cause I sure habe been called my share of name, beat and called names, attacked and called names, called racist names in school by teachers, etc. Did you think you had done me a very special favor and ended racism? Poor you. We are not properly grateful for the shit heap we have to live in.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #484)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:31 PM

494. Yes. Both now and then.

I am continually working to end it for everyone. Not voting or doing something constructive aids those who want things like they were in the 1850s.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #494)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:56 PM

564. I always vote.

 

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #407)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:46 PM

571. I like Elizabeth's positive message; strikes a chord with me.

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Response to whereisjustice (Reply #209)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:27 AM

401. +1 million

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Response to whereisjustice (Reply #209)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:45 PM

499. I actually started believing in 2008.

[font color=white]......[/font][font size=4]Obama's Army for “CHANGE”, Jan. 21, 2009[/font]

[font color=white].....................[/font][font size=4]"Oh, What could have been."[/font]

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #499)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:22 PM

549. +1

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Response to Spazito (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:19 AM

319. That's true! nt

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Response to Spazito (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:23 PM

419. So, you don't want them to vote???

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #419)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:26 PM

421. Quite the opposite, I want them to grow up, take their civic responsibility seriously...

and vote. If I didn't want them to vote, I would be applauding them for sitting on their asses whining about how bad those doing the heavy lifting are doing the job they refuse to do.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #421)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:39 PM

425. All we have to do is give them something ot vote for. Say, raising taxes on wealth!

 

But they are not going to vote for someone they see as representing the oligarchy.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #425)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:44 PM

428. See, that is exactly the problem, spoon-feeding them is not the answer...

lol on "raising taxes on wealth", yeah, that is SO important to them they chose to sit out the mid-terms helping the repubs take over the Senate so more tax cuts for the rich will be given. Smart move, right?

Catch phrases here or on Facebook, empty phrases about the "oligarchy" does absolutely nothing to change anything. It might make those doing it feel better about doing nothing of substance but it, again, changes nothing.

I don't have to give them anything, it's time they worked for it themselves.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #428)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:47 PM

429. They did.

 

Their ballot measures that they supported won. Our candidates lost.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #429)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:00 PM

440. Those that worked to get ballot measures passed did vote...

so they aren't the ones I am criticizing. It's the ones who didn't do a damn thing except post Facebook rants as to why they didn't vote for whom I have little patience.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:54 PM

7. This boomer didn't vote for Hillary before and don't want to in the future.

Give me Bernie, or E. Warren.

BTW my husband and I both voted in the primaries.
We are in a very red state but never miss a vote.

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Response to newfie11 (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:51 PM

124. +1 for the statment and +1 for never missing a vote! :)

 

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Response to Veilex (Reply #124)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:15 PM

177. Your welcome

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:55 PM

8. How about the Millenials show up and nominate someone progressive?

Stop waiting for the world to change and change it.

Do something or stop whining.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:59 PM

18. We did in 2008, but our FDR turned out to be an Al Smith.

We Millennials feel that the corporate Establishment will get what it wants no matter what.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:06 PM

39. 2008 was a long time ago. How about someone young stepping up?

I'm tired of hearing about how it's everyone else's fault when things don't go the way you want. Show us all something positive and for longer than one election.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:10 PM

168. You can't. There are minimum age requirements for national offices.

You have to be at least middle aged to actually be President.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:15 PM

176. I will listen to legit bitching all day long but if you don't vote, no. Shut your face and go

away. Get involved or be a part of the problem. Millennials will live in global warming longer than old geezers like me who vote every time and have for liberals since a hundred years. My entire family has voted an campaigned for liberal dems for a hundred years. We participated and helped. Vote as if your life depended upon it because it does. Get involved at the local committee level and get the candidates you want into the system. Band together and make yourself heard with media and boots on the ground and stop whining like its someone elses fault that you aren't happy. Voting each time is what you do when you are a grown up and understand your responsibility to the greater good. Its work and it matters. Make your own' positive' or not, but don't blame others if you stay outside the process whining and nothing changes. Its called grow up and participate. DO it at the local level and be a voice that is heard saying what you want. Otherwise, you deserve what you get.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #176)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:06 AM

361. the "grown up" argument is lame

I'm not seeing a lot of grown ups on the Repug side of things, and they all vote.

There may be a form of responsibility to the greater good that goes beyond voting, which does not seem to be working well in this country.

My navy officer stepdad used to say "grow up" ALL the time to us. it was his favorite put-down. And yet he never grew up himself and even now acts like a spoiled child. So the "grownups do X" thing is unconvincing to many.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #361)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:46 AM

404. so your dad acted badly. are you going to do the same

Being adult means being responsible even when it hurts. Cry baby millennial staying out of the process guarantees it's failure.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #404)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:11 PM

455. Your approach is NO way to change anything

--shaming and lumping everybody in for an old-fashioned smearing with your big brush-- does nothing to help the situation but only continues to divide the generations.

Dividing the generations---hmmmmm---now who would be behind that? And what would be the value of that politically...........................

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #176)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:00 AM

373. Good advice. I would add just one meme: SILENCE=CONSENT=DEATH nt

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #373)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:47 AM

405. + a zillion

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:49 AM

339. Yeah it has to be done right away

within the term on one Congress, or you'll go home and hold your breath until you turn blue.

Immature fuckers. My generation when young was very politically apt and knew they had to work for things. And they were numerically a large number! The baby boom meant that generation had such great numbers it could have influence. And it did. They protested. They had tremendous influence, and the country was so liberal, as other threads have shown, even the Republicans were so liberal, Nixon as Republican Criminal President was relatively liberal.

Never did they demand to be entertained and cajoled and catered to. They were literally in the streets. They got the vote for 18 year olds (the age had been 21). Now they are in their 50s and 60s and don't you dare tell them they have to cater to and beg spoiled whiners for their votes.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:55 AM

372. "I tried voting in the primaries once, but ended up voting for the wrong person, so I quit."

That's a pretty horrible approach to democracy.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:17 AM

396. We failed to turn up in the consequent elections

The best way to ensure the corporate establishment will get what it wants is by encouraging other young people not to vote, which is what I've seen plenty millennials doing.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:04 PM

29. kudos for the John Mayer lyric reference

 

Clever

Note: Not looking for a fight in this, just love clever posts.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:13 PM

51. (Thanks) That song drives my insane!

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:56 PM

9. So you are now spokesperson for the millinials. Impressive. I thought the millinials were a

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Diverse group that covered left, right, center, and don't give a shit

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Response to still_one (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:59 PM

15. You care enough to be nasty about it.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:01 PM

20. Older folks apparently can't keep themselves from yelling at clouds.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:03 PM

27. Not ALL older folks!!!

 

This one is pissed we didn't eat our shit sandwiches.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:07 PM

40. Thanks!

Too many Boomers and Xers seem to think we Millennial are still ignorant little kids who need to be talked down to rather than treated as adults.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #40)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:18 PM

61. They forget WE are having children in this economy.

 

College might be a million dollars by the time our kids need to go, and we are way poorer than they were.
I am tired of them saying they never got everything they wanted either. Um, hello!! We were born under REAGAN?! WE HAVE NEVER BEEN TO THEIR LIBERAL DREAMWORLD!!!

Do they think they left us with a solid liberal government or something? And now its OUR fault the party doesn't represent us?

They sat up there for years trying to get the President to write all the legislation, pass it, and sign it, and they wonder why they looked weak when they ran from him.

Bunch of shy strippers!!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:25 PM

69. Admitting that we are adults means admitting that they are now old.

Boomers HATE being reminded that they are getting old, the oldest boomers are now 71, the youngest 54.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #69)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:54 PM

128. I am surprised that more don't want our input.

 

And they seem to not want us around unless its to vote for them. Trying to tell the to earn votes is pointless. They think we are lazy, selfish, undeserving and unnecessary. Great way to woo the largest generation since the boomers! More of us turn 18 every day, so they need to make sure to let us know they don't need us and call us names.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #128)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:01 PM

146. Our generation is on a rondezvous with destiny, to paraphrase FDR...

...and if older generations do not want to lead we will take things into our own hands on a local level. If the Democratic Party continues the BS expect mass defections of Left-Wing Millennials to radical groups like Socialist Alternative who are actually doing stuff on the local level rather than intentionally frustrating it.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #146)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:06 PM

160. It's happening on a local level here.

 

Millenials and younger genxers get initiatives put on the ballot and they won all four in my state this week. Millenials won the day up here, Democrats lost. They need to look at how alaska young progressives got stuff on the ballot and got 52 to 68 percent of voters to vote for it.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #160)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:13 PM

172. Folks in Seattle got a COMMUNIST elected to their city council.

Kshama Sawant, she's awesome!

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #172)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:23 PM

192. I truely think we need more of that to free liberals up to be liberals.

 

They want to be in the middle? Put somebody on the left up against them so they can fight about real policy instead of rightwing bullshit.

Good job Seattle!!

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #69)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:56 PM

132. You seem to be complaining of boomers stereotyping your generation...

...while at the same time you are stereotyping them.

By the way, the youngest boomers are 50--I'm 52.

And sure we are getting old--just don't blink, you'll be here before you know it.

Now, all that being said, as one of those middle-aged, boomer women, Hillary is the last person I want to see on the ballot. I didn't like her last time, and she has done nothing to change my mind.
The polls are based solely on name recognition right now. This time in 2006, Barack Obama was just barely on the radar as a long shot, and McCain was expected to drop out, his numbers were so low.

I'd expect, if everyone on this sight participated in a poll, Hillary's numbers would not be nearly as high as they are in the general public, though most of us would vote for her in the general, if that's what we're stuck with, because no matter how bad she is, the republican will be much, much worse.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #69)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:59 PM

243. Nice stereotyping. Just what you were railing against.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #69)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:05 AM

374. Not to quibble, but 71 is not boomer.

I know, because I just turned 71 a few weeks ago and was born in 1943, I was termed a "War Baby" and so were those of us born 1944 and 1945. The boom is usually accepted as starting as late as 1948, because that is when some of the vets began getting out of two-year colleges and began hitting the job market.

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #374)

Wed Nov 12, 2014, 11:35 AM

572. Demographically, no, but 1943 births were the oldest who could be drafted...

...to be sent to Vietnam, and so are considered Boomers culturally by Bill Strauss and Neil Howe in their books Generations and The Fourth Turning.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #572)

Wed Nov 12, 2014, 06:03 PM

575. Never heard of either of them.

Culturally boomers? Some might be, I tend to have some similarities with them and some with the group in the late 30's. I tend to believe that most of my fellow War Babies feel similarly. Certainly, Boomers are a much larger demographic.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:34 PM

85. I am not pissed, but there is sure a lot of animosity that is coming from you

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Response to still_one (Reply #85)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:41 PM

97. You said you don't give a shit.

 

And you seem mad millenials didn't vote in democrats. And when you get an explanation, you seem to get more angry.

I've been pissed my whole life. I'm used to not getting my way, ever. I'm young, black, a woman, and was born under Reagan. Nobody in power gives two shits about me at the fuck all unless its to blame me when they don't win. So boo hoo!
We lost. I'm used to being considered not worth listening to. And I'm right, ad usual. I don't have the privilege of people caring when I'm mad.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #97)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:08 PM

164. NO that ISN't what I meant. I meant the millennial were a diverse group comprised

of left, right, center, and those that don't give a shit. That means, there are millennials that don't care, when I said don't give a shit. It doesn't mean ALL millennials.

I wasn't referring to myself or to all millennials. Like all segments within a demographic there are many views, some more predominate.

I never blamed the millennials or any specific demographic for the election loss. The odds were stacked against the Democrats in this midterm from the get go.

The argument that millennials didn't vote and that is why the Democrats lost is bullshit. Voting turnout was low period. It usually is low during midterms, but this was worse than usual. It is the argument that was used in 2000, that Nader was responsible for Gore's loss. Those who make that assertion assume that the greens would have voted for Gore, and that is a false assumption. I used to subscribe to that assumption, but after thinking it out fully through nothing is guaranteed. No one can take anyone's vote for granted. There may be arguments why one should vote one way or another, but it should never be taken as a given. The book "What's the matter with Kansas" touched on this. A better example is when Jimmy Carter deregulated the airline industry. Labor was quite upset by this, and ended up voting for reagan. Labor's votes were taken for granted by the Democrats, and that assumption not only hurt the Democrats, but the labor unions themselves, and ultimately the country by electing reagan

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Response to bravenak (Reply #97)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:15 PM

175. !!!



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Response to bravenak (Reply #97)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:19 PM

185. I just re-read my post, "I" was a typo. You probably don't believe me, but that is the truth. I am

changing it now. You can rag on me for screwing up in the typing, but that is NOT what I meant that "I don't give a shit", and it wasn't Freudian either. I was referring to some millineals. My bad for not carefully checking before hitting the POST button

It has happened before usually with autofill, and my stupidity for not verifying

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Response to still_one (Reply #185)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:21 PM

189. No. I get it.

 

We can leave it at that, a misunderstanding.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #189)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:25 PM

195. My problem is I did a stupid typo which completely ruined the point I was trying to make. So I am

really sorry for that misunderstanding, and probably inflamed quite a few people.

Take care

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Response to still_one (Reply #195)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:28 PM

198. I rarely stay mad for more than 30 seconds.

 

Suck that your point was ruined and a subthread got started. Don't feel too bad though. No point.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #198)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:30 PM

202. Thanks

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Response to bravenak (Reply #198)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:11 AM

385. I'm much older than you. I'd like to show you a line from the first general election ballot I voted

 

at age 18. I get the feeling people do not understand where we started. If I had sat it out waiting for something that was positive to vote for it would have been a long fucking wait.
Here is what was offered to me when I was the Youth Vote:
Prop 6 "Prohibit gays and supporters of gay rights from teaching in public schools- Yes or No"

Let me tell you this. Once you see that sort of a question about your people on a ballot, you will never skip a ballot again.
So that's what it was like when I was the youth vote. Hard to see this week's elections as worse than that.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #385)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:13 AM

393. I never DO skip voting.

 

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I just want more of us to vote. We vote just as much as everyone else did at our ages.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:02 AM

305. Not me. I know you guys have it tough

It frosts me when people of my generation say, "They should have just worked their way through college." At today's prices, that would allow one three-credit class per semester.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:03 PM

25. Actually I am stating exactly what they are, a diverse segment. I had a typo in the original

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post which I have since corrected, but suffice to say it changed the whole meaning of the post

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Response to still_one (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:05 PM

32. We are pretty diverse and super jaded.

 

We know a shit sandwich when we see one.

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Response to Odin2005 (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:57 PM

14. She will make up for loosing some of those voters with huge gains..

from moderate women and minority voters.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:02 PM

21. Who says minorities like Clinton so much?

 

She don't give us a thought. Keep thinking that the Obama voters will shift to her automatically.
When I talk to younger black and middle age ones,some like her, some remember the primary and hate her guts.

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