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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:26 PM Nov 2014

Women who have sex before marriage are like ‘filthy dishrags,’ California pastor roars

I love my Blue state.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/women-who-have-sex-before-marriage-are-like-filthy-dishrags-california-pastor-roars/

Paul Chappell, founder and president of West Coast Baptist College and pastor of Lancaster Baptist Church, lamented what he perceives to be a lack of purity and modesty among women.

“One wonders, whatever happened to purity?” he asked in the sermon. “Whatever happened to that? Whatever happened to the days when girls said, I’m not going to be touched by every guy? I’m not going to walk down the aisle like a filthy dishrag on my wedding day. Whatever happened to that day?”

He insisted he meant no offense to anyone who had sinned, but he complained about perceived criticism of a recent “purity pledge” that drew the participation of hundreds of teens at his church.

“I don’t want to sound weird tonight, (but) there’s a reason when ladies come up here to sing that the rule, if you want to use it, the standard – I don’t care what you call it, call it legalism, call it control – I don’t care what you call it, there is a standard in this church that the dresses are going to come down to the knee when a lady stands up here,” Chappell said.


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Women who have sex before marriage are like ‘filthy dishrags,’ California pastor roars (Original Post) KamaAina Nov 2014 OP
what are men who have sex before marriage? hollysmom Nov 2014 #1
They're total stud muffins. nt ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #3
Bingo. jwirr Nov 2014 #4
Must be too horrible for even a Baptist Preacher to say! B Calm Nov 2014 #5
I've heard this kind of stuff before from these 'men of God' brush Nov 2014 #30
Yes because this is and always has been about making women the ones responsible for sexual activity VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #78
Yes! nt brush Nov 2014 #84
What About Men Who Had Sex Before Marriage. . . ProfessorGAC Nov 2014 #33
They might cluck their tongues in disapproval..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #35
Exactly! dawg Nov 2014 #42
+1 treestar Nov 2014 #57
Never crossed his mind. This ain't about sex. chrisa Nov 2014 #63
"Underaged victims of Rev Chappell?" Tom Ripley Nov 2014 #68
No sex before paperwork! ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #2
Getting angry at this character is a waste of time, pennylane100 Nov 2014 #6
I married a 'filthy dishrag' and love her immensely. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #7
#1 ret5hd Nov 2014 #61
He shouldn't talk about Jesus' best friend like that. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #8
I think there's actually... Whiskeytide Nov 2014 #18
Why are these guys obsessed with other people's sex lives? upaloopa Nov 2014 #9
Absolutely! And, how many times have you seen these types Frustratedlady Nov 2014 #27
Yes knownow Nov 2014 #36
its about making the woman soley the one that has to pay the price for sexual activity..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #79
Who will all those unmarried men have sex with.... Little Star Nov 2014 #10
The answer is obvious : 'no one'. He couldn't very well say their hand, now could he? Shrike47 Nov 2014 #15
If I remember correctly - isn't that also a sin? nc4bo Nov 2014 #71
You know they are married to their dominant hand. Xyzse Nov 2014 #29
What an asshole Politicalboi Nov 2014 #11
What about men who have sex before marriage, pastor? City Lights Nov 2014 #12
I think it's all the Women's fault. They strut their sexy ankles and sexy wrists and... BlueJazz Nov 2014 #13
I was a filthy dishrag. leftofcool Nov 2014 #14
Or someone's autobiography wyldwolf Nov 2014 #22
I saw The Filthy Dishrags at the Troubadour last week. Initech Nov 2014 #25
A great name for an all-female punk band! Brigid Nov 2014 #56
I sort of bounced down the aisle, myself. Shrike47 Nov 2014 #16
According to the Bible bmbmd Nov 2014 #17
Yes magical time ago all women were virgin pure and rode unicorns in the land Rex Nov 2014 #19
I read as far as "Baptist" ... lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #20
I prefer more experienced women Yavin4 Nov 2014 #21
What are men who do likewise, then? Fouled dipsticks? MADem Nov 2014 #23
Also, do the men in his church wear their skirts down past their knees when they stand up? Rex Nov 2014 #37
One Easter, a guy went to Communion in my church with his shirt half open shenmue Nov 2014 #54
I should hope they cover any unsightly bulges. If a kneecap is going to drive a young man MADem Nov 2014 #72
Just you know, the way the knee protrudes out then back in Rex Nov 2014 #75
Seems to me Jesus didn't worry about that stuff--hell, he ran around in a damn dress, throwing MADem Nov 2014 #77
I wonder how he explains Viagra advertised on TV every 30 seconds? Initech Nov 2014 #24
That's A Horrible Exaggeration! ProfessorGAC Nov 2014 #34
Ok it alternates between Viagra and Cialis every 20 seconds. Initech Nov 2014 #41
And the COPD Inhaler and the Placque Psoraisis Meds ProfessorGAC Nov 2014 #48
How would he know that? nt ladjf Nov 2014 #26
Julio Iglesias Calls Bullshit Stallion Nov 2014 #28
Willie's version sorta seems more apropo... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #80
However, men can have all the sex they want before marriage, and it's perfectly fine, right? Zorra Nov 2014 #31
Of course! KamaAina Nov 2014 #32
He's entitled to his opinion. He's ignorant, of course, but entitled to his opinion all the same. WillowTree Nov 2014 #38
He may have a 2naSalit Nov 2014 #40
Of course it doesn't mean that he should, but there's nothing that says he can't. WillowTree Nov 2014 #49
Unless the fool thinks they're all having sex with each other Warpy Nov 2014 #39
One day the human race may acquire enough wisdom hifiguy Nov 2014 #43
As always, no condemnation... 3catwoman3 Nov 2014 #44
Filthy Dishrags, what a cool name for a rock band B Calm Nov 2014 #45
An all-girl band KamaAina Nov 2014 #46
Totally agree! City Lights Nov 2014 #51
Boys have God Stick, and girls have a Shame Cave! NickB79 Nov 2014 #47
Hmmm. I must have missed whatever derogatory term he used about impure guys.... truebluegreen Nov 2014 #50
So did I. KamaAina Nov 2014 #59
That day never existed. PeteSelman Nov 2014 #52
Yes, ladies, your worth is only based on keeping yourself pure to please a man. Lex Nov 2014 #53
Married 40 years and a "Dishrag" HockeyMom Nov 2014 #55
The pastor didnt get laid when he was younger and has spent his life advocating against randys1 Nov 2014 #58
I don't want that filthy-mouthed pastor in my kitchen! Hekate Nov 2014 #60
Interesting when modern stylish dresses come to some six to eight inches above the knee indepat Nov 2014 #62
If women who have sex before marriage are "dirty dish rags", then as a man who has had sex ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #64
i like to think of myself Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #65
Sort of reminds me of Brother Jed goldent Nov 2014 #66
About the only postive thing I can say about this guy Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #67
Lancaster. It makes Bakersfield look like Berkeley. LeftyMom Nov 2014 #69
I had to go there once mahina Nov 2014 #83
Female sexuality is frightening Aerows Nov 2014 #70
What About the Men erpowers Nov 2014 #73
If this guy had his way....all that is blamed on the women.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #81
oy what a putz olddots Nov 2014 #74
betcha betcha he did!! oldandhappy Nov 2014 #76
What does he say about men who have premarital sex? Quantess Nov 2014 #82

brush

(53,776 posts)
30. I've heard this kind of stuff before from these 'men of God'
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:40 PM
Nov 2014

I'm waiting for the news to come out of multiple affairs with women/so called dishrags in his flock.

It never fails.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
78. Yes because this is and always has been about making women the ones responsible for sexual activity
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:54 AM
Nov 2014

so they can be let off the hook for their "impure thoughts and deeds"

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
33. What About Men Who Had Sex Before Marriage. . .
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:58 PM
Nov 2014

. . with the woman they ended up marrying?

How about women like that?

Now, that's conundrum.

'Splain that pastor!

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
35. They might cluck their tongues in disapproval.....
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:01 PM
Nov 2014

But, sadly, way too many of these Fundies display a hypocrisy that could be nothing else but sexist, and even misogynist, in nature.....in their minds, it's so much worse when a woman does it.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
42. Exactly!
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:35 PM
Nov 2014

I really don't have a problem with churches promoting traditional sexual values if that's what their denomination believes. But I do have a problem with unequal application of those rules.

If we're going to call people filthy rags, then we should call men filthy rags as well.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
63. Never crossed his mind. This ain't about sex.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:23 PM
Nov 2014

It's the "being female" part that gets them angry and chomping at the bit.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
6. Getting angry at this character is a waste of time,
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:32 PM
Nov 2014

just commit him to an psychiatric institution, which is where he belongs.

ret5hd

(20,491 posts)
61. #1
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:36 PM
Nov 2014

My only inhibition in saying thst is his terminology.

She is a wonderful person who understands me because of her life experiences. And I wouldn't have it any other way..

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
9. Why are these guys obsessed with other people's sex lives?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:35 PM
Nov 2014

I think it is projection or as Freud said it is a reaction formation.
They fear something in their own personalities so they condemn it in others.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
27. Absolutely! And, how many times have you seen these types
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:33 PM
Nov 2014

later charged with sexual abuse? Boys, girls, women, dogs. His name will probably pop up in the news one day and it won't be pretty.

knownow

(53 posts)
36. Yes
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:03 PM
Nov 2014

They are projecting their bad personality traits (drooling while ogling) onto women so they don't have to feel guilty. It's always someone else's fault with these "good old boys" and they want to keep it that way.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
79. its about making the woman soley the one that has to pay the price for sexual activity.....
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:57 AM
Nov 2014

It assuages their guilt....

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
10. Who will all those unmarried men have sex with....
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:36 PM
Nov 2014

if not unmarried women? Did he ever think of that? I'd like to hear his answer to that quagmire.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
71. If I remember correctly - isn't that also a sin?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:11 PM
Nov 2014

Something about wasted seed on the ground or some such nonsense.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
11. What an asshole
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:37 PM
Nov 2014

“You come to the house of God, it ought not to be a flesh show!”

What is Jebus wearing on the cross? Almost nothing. I guess the flesh of men is okay. Men who can't control their penises should shut the fuck up.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
12. What about men who have sex before marriage, pastor?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:38 PM
Nov 2014

This fuck face sounds like a raging hypocrite. FUCK him with a filthy dishrag.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
13. I think it's all the Women's fault. They strut their sexy ankles and sexy wrists and...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:40 PM
Nov 2014

...somehow think we Manly Men are not going to get excited. (about those Sexy ankles and Sexy wrists)
If I was a member of that church all those Sexy Ank.....

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. Yes magical time ago all women were virgin pure and rode unicorns in the land
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:56 PM
Nov 2014

untouched by war and famine on that other planet not here right now ever.

If he didn't want to sound weird, he probably should have just not opened his gob. Organized religions are strange creatures. Might as well hit your head with a board.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. What are men who do likewise, then? Fouled dipsticks?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:18 PM
Nov 2014

I mean, really, how offensively stereotypical can we get, here?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
37. Also, do the men in his church wear their skirts down past their knees when they stand up?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:09 PM
Nov 2014

He addressed the issue for the women folk, but left off talking about the men entirely. I get all sweaty at the sight of an exposed knee cap in church.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
54. One Easter, a guy went to Communion in my church with his shirt half open
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:33 PM
Nov 2014

and no undershirt. I'm still talking to the psychiatrist about it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
72. I should hope they cover any unsightly bulges. If a kneecap is going to drive a young man
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:47 PM
Nov 2014

wild, imagine what a few grapes smuggled in a pair of tighty whities might do to an impressionable young lass?

One of these for the irony impaired!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
75. Just you know, the way the knee protrudes out then back in
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:41 AM
Nov 2014

going forward bulging out in front of that leg, where ya going knee cap? That legs doing all the work...then back - sneaky little knee cap...always teasing like it was just foolin.

Pastor says I need to know not things about those things and are a 'no no'. Makes me want to have naughty thoughts that Jesus would weep about and does since he already knows about my naughty bits and alone time.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
77. Seems to me Jesus didn't worry about that stuff--hell, he ran around in a damn dress, throwing
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:53 AM
Nov 2014

Loaves and Fishes/Water into Wine raves! I'll be he showed off a kneecap on occasion, himself!!!



Of all of the Christians, I think Jesus was the nicest of the bunch. He threw great parties with plenty of food, he healed the sick, he didn't judge-- he was like an EMT whose ambulance was half food truck!

What's not to like about a guy like that? Pity some of his followers are such jerks!


Initech

(100,068 posts)
41. Ok it alternates between Viagra and Cialis every 20 seconds.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:31 PM
Nov 2014

With the occasional break for Larry The Cable Guy hawking chewable heartburn medication every other 20 seconds.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
48. And the COPD Inhaler and the Placque Psoraisis Meds
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:22 PM
Nov 2014

Geez, we're down to every 10 seconds. You weren't exaggerating.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
31. However, men can have all the sex they want before marriage, and it's perfectly fine, right?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:53 PM
Nov 2014

Pastor dude appears to have a very serious sexism problem.

I'd call him a Neanderthal, but it's possible that Neanderthal folks may have actually been nicer people than homo sapiens.

2naSalit

(86,596 posts)
40. He may have a
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:25 PM
Nov 2014

severely skewed opinion but it doesn't mean he should have a microphone in front of his blowhole to foist his BS on the rest of us.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
49. Of course it doesn't mean that he should, but there's nothing that says he can't.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:06 PM
Nov 2014

I no longer have the energy to expend on things I can do nothing about. He has a right to his stupid opinion and he has the right to voice his stupid opinion.

And I have the right to ignore him.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
39. Unless the fool thinks they're all having sex with each other
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:20 PM
Nov 2014

maybe he needs to take a look at who's screwing them.

Asshole.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
43. One day the human race may acquire enough wisdom
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:37 PM
Nov 2014

to discard, once and for all, Bronze Age superstitions. But I am not going to hold my breath.

That is absolutely worthy.

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
44. As always, no condemnation...
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:38 PM
Nov 2014

..of the men who are doing the same thing. Guys like this creep annoy the hell out of me.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
52. That day never existed.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:27 PM
Nov 2014

People fuck, period. PEOPLE, not just men, not just women, people.

And so fucking what?

Lex

(34,108 posts)
53. Yes, ladies, your worth is only based on keeping yourself pure to please a man.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:29 PM
Nov 2014

You don't own anything about your sexuality. It's only valuable if it fits with what some unknown man might want someday.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
55. Married 40 years and a "Dishrag"
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:40 PM
Nov 2014

Mother and Grandma. How can this POSSIBLY BE????? What man would want a "flthy disrag" to be the mother of his children and grandchildren???????

randys1

(16,286 posts)
58. The pastor didnt get laid when he was younger and has spent his life advocating against
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:43 PM
Nov 2014

anyone else getting laid out of jealousy.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
62. Interesting when modern stylish dresses come to some six to eight inches above the knee
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:49 PM
Nov 2014

when the chic chick stands. Bet Chappell has even taken a peek or two at a pair of lovely legs on the sly.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
64. If women who have sex before marriage are "dirty dish rags", then as a man who has had sex
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:27 PM
Nov 2014

before marriage, I guess I'm a shitty piece of toilet paper.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
66. Sort of reminds me of Brother Jed
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:52 PM
Nov 2014

Seen on university quads across the nation for 30-40 years. I saw him once when he was starting a shift - he would just shout outrageous insults to people as they walked by, trying to get a crowd started.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
67. About the only postive thing I can say about this guy
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:56 PM
Nov 2014

is that thundering about "dishrags" and scantily-clad "jezebels" is better than stoning these women to death.

mahina

(17,652 posts)
83. I had to go there once
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:17 AM
Nov 2014

and your description is dead on! Empty strip malls one after another, no happy place (trees, bookstores, non-chain coffee shop) to be found. 20th century bleak, bleaky bleaky bleak. Bleak. A supergravity of depression and ruin. An all you can eat restaraunt with immense lines of people lining up like pigs in a chute for cafeteria food. I wonder what the suicide rate is.

Anyway, this is my fave DU thread in a while!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
70. Female sexuality is frightening
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:09 PM
Nov 2014

If women learn how to enjoy sex, what will happen to the men that think they own them ...

It's just too much to contemplate. A woman wanting pleasure.

Women should NEVER derive pleasure from sex! That makes her a ...



A human being.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
73. What About the Men
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:16 AM
Nov 2014

So, what about the men who,sleep,with multiple women before they are married? Are they like dirty dishrags? Why does this seem to be all about the women?

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
74. oy what a putz
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:36 AM
Nov 2014

This cretin was the wine steward at Arby's before he became a preacher of ignorance .

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
82. What does he say about men who have premarital sex?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:31 AM
Nov 2014

My #1 guess is that he is a complete and total hypocrite. I bet he frequents female prostitutes, and I am not at all kidding.

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