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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:58 PM Nov 2014

Elon Musk: Artifical Intelligence Robots Could Start Killing Us All Within 5 Years

Last edited Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Elon Musk has been ranting about killer robots again. Musk posted a comment on the futurology site Edge.org, warning readers that developments in AI could bring about robots that may autonomously decide that it is sensible to start killing humans.

"The risk of something seriously dangerous happening is in the five year timeframe," Musk wrote. Aware that internet commenters may mock him for his outlandish predictions, Musk defended his views, writing, "This is not a case of crying wolf about something I don't understand."

The billionaire entrepreneur has made a habit of making apocalyptic comments about killer robots in recent interviews. During a talk at a recent Vanity Fair conference, Musk warned the audience about killer robots. He suggested that advanced artificial intelligence could cause robots to delete humans like spam:

If its [function] is just something like getting rid of e-mail spam and it determines the best way of getting rid of spam is getting rid of humans ... The interviewer went on to ask Musk whether humanity could use his SpaceX ships to escape killer robots if they took over Earth, but things don't look promising. No — more likely than not that if there’s some ... apocalypse scenario, it may follow people from Earth.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-killer-robots-will-be-here-within-five-years-2014-11#ixzz3JMEFiESZ

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Elon Musk: Artifical Intelligence Robots Could Start Killing Us All Within 5 Years (Original Post) big_dog Nov 2014 OP
I thought pols, soldiers, and cops were doing that job now. nt valerief Nov 2014 #1
Yeah, robots couldn't do any worse than violent people, mostly men Warpy Nov 2014 #2
Don't blame him Rstrstx Nov 2014 #6
I'm beginning to think he's bipolar Warpy Nov 2014 #8
Stephen too? GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #12
"robots couldn't do any worse than violent people, mostly men" Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #19
Mostly lack of opportunity Warpy Nov 2014 #20
Thank Heaven for whiny toddlers clinging to legs. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #21
Yeah, too bad men just ignore them, shake them off, and tell them to go bug their mamas. Warpy Nov 2014 #23
Men do this? As a rule? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #24
Dang. I have 22 years until I get my first SS check yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #10
Also, we're running out of chocolate librechik Nov 2014 #3
It's more likely they'll be programmed by people to do that. CJCRANE Nov 2014 #4
This is the best news I've heard so far re: my student loans Orrex Nov 2014 #5
at least John Connor warned us... big_dog Nov 2014 #11
Not according to Michio Kaku, in whom I'd place just a hifiguy Nov 2014 #7
"Sarah Connor" will be the first one to go: LeftinOH Nov 2014 #9
Well, start 'em off in Washington NV Whino Nov 2014 #13
Glad I'm paid up on my Old Glory Robot Insurance ** Bonx Nov 2014 #14
Robots eat old people's medicine for fuel Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #25
The sex bots will make the human race go extinct. Kaleva Nov 2014 #15
Really true! nt Logical Nov 2014 #35
I for one welcome our new AI killing robot overlords. Rex Nov 2014 #16
If anybody would know, it'd be him. Octafish Nov 2014 #17
Can't wait for a Model S to become self aware. Initech Nov 2014 #30
The First Law of Robotics: KamaAina Nov 2014 #18
Asimovian fantasy. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #26
I dunno.. sendero Nov 2014 #22
I wanted to finish reading the article geomon666 Nov 2014 #27
I chortled. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #38
I wish I smelled like him geomon666 Nov 2014 #42
"Open the pod bay door, HAL." nt Laffy Kat Nov 2014 #28
Well the killer robots can't be that much worse than the people who are running things now. Initech Nov 2014 #29
wouldn't someone have to arm the robots first? 0rganism Nov 2014 #31
How long will it take them to finish? And do they take requests? jberryhill Nov 2014 #32
Big deal, at the rate our "leaders" are going... joeybee12 Nov 2014 #33
I came for the electric car.... Mojo Electro Nov 2014 #34
While I respect Musk and Stephen Hawking for their accomplishments IDemo Nov 2014 #36
Those robots could be built by malevolent people to do malevolent things. PADemD Nov 2014 #37
Musk's concern was not about the malevolence of humans IDemo Nov 2014 #39
The issue is when you're working with autonomous AI. chrisa Nov 2014 #43
Why do you say that? AI will only get much much better...... Logical Nov 2014 #41
It's that "they might turn on us" thing IDemo Nov 2014 #44
This isn't crazy rambling. As AI evolves, it could turn on us and kill everyone. chrisa Nov 2014 #40
There are only two outcomes. joshcryer Nov 2014 #45
How could the comps kill us? RobertEarl Nov 2014 #46

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
2. Yeah, robots couldn't do any worse than violent people, mostly men
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:07 PM
Nov 2014

have been doing to us for millennia.

Oh, and Elon? Get help.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
6. Don't blame him
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:14 PM
Nov 2014

The guy who sold him his tin foil cap sold him one that fits too tight, it's cutting off the blood flow to his head. Happens all the time.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
8. I'm beginning to think he's bipolar
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:23 PM
Nov 2014

Untreated bipolar disease makes some people very prolific and successful--for a while. Then, when they get successful enough, they think they can allow the really crazy sounding stuff during the manic phase to get out. Then people realize they're nuts and investment dries up.

I love Musk and many of the things he's done. I just wish he'd either shut up or get some help.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
19. "robots couldn't do any worse than violent people, mostly men"
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:30 PM
Nov 2014

Are women nicer by nature or lacking the capability to do equal (or greater) damage because men keep them repressed?

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
20. Mostly lack of opportunity
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:53 PM
Nov 2014

because there's nothing like a whiny toddler clinging to your leg to inhibit you from knocking over that liquor store.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
23. Yeah, too bad men just ignore them, shake them off, and tell them to go bug their mamas.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:59 PM
Nov 2014

Think about what a better world this would be with equal whiny toddler time.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
10. Dang. I have 22 years until I get my first SS check
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:28 PM
Nov 2014

I want one dang it....5 years is not long enough. Lol.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
4. It's more likely they'll be programmed by people to do that.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:11 PM
Nov 2014

Of course, they'll tell us that it was the robots' idea.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. Not according to Michio Kaku, in whom I'd place just a
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:21 PM
Nov 2014

BIT more faith. Read his "Physics of the Future" and you will crawl off the ledge. He devotes a very long chapter to the problems and promise of AI.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
15. The sex bots will make the human race go extinct.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:22 PM
Nov 2014

No need for intimate human interaction when a sex bot that fulfills your every desire and need when you want is available 24/7.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. I for one welcome our new AI killing robot overlords.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:23 PM
Nov 2014

Just in case my PC is in on it...I LOVE YOU PC!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. If anybody would know, it'd be him.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:25 PM
Nov 2014

Guy's a freaking Venn diagram where he's in each circle: Manufacturing. Robotics. Cybernetics.

Ha ha. It is to laugh.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
18. The First Law of Robotics:
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:26 PM
Nov 2014

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
22. I dunno..
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:58 PM
Nov 2014

.... I'm a lot more concerned about sociopathic businessmen, politicians and cops to have time to worry about robots. They are already killing people.

geomon666

(7,512 posts)
27. I wanted to finish reading the article
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:38 PM
Nov 2014

but I threw my smartphone on the ground and stomped on it after reading the headline. Not so smart now are you phone!

Initech

(100,070 posts)
29. Well the killer robots can't be that much worse than the people who are running things now.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:46 PM
Nov 2014

Can they?

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
36. While I respect Musk and Stephen Hawking for their accomplishments
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:16 PM
Nov 2014

I really wish they would stay away from pontificating on the supposed threat to Humankind from malevolent robots or aliens. Exceedingly unlikely in both cases.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
39. Musk's concern was not about the malevolence of humans
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:23 PM
Nov 2014

It was that Artificial Intelligence "could bring about robots that may autonomously decide that it is sensible to start killing humans." Never minding that robots constructed for whatever purpose will likely not have or require human-like intelligence or its motivations. It makes for passable sci-fi but is hardly something for genuine concern.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
43. The issue is when you're working with autonomous AI.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:33 PM
Nov 2014

Right now, machines generally do just what we tell them to. Shades of autonomous AI do exist, but we're still far from creating something that actually "thinks" autonomously, as in something that doesn't just execute certain code blocks in certain situations. A robot using autonomous AI would likely be able to learn things and create new code for itself based on what it learned. An issue occurs if, by either a mistake or malevolent actions, autonomous robots (especially created for military purposes) turn on humanity for whatever reason.

It's Sci-Fi and completely unbelievable now only because our technology is advanced enough to create the possibility of this happening yet. Malevolent AI is something to consider when computers become smart enough to learn new things and then take physical actions based on what they had learned.

With that being said, saying that this will occur in 5 years is ludicrous.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
41. Why do you say that? AI will only get much much better......
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:26 PM
Nov 2014

No doubt in maybe 100-200 years robots will perform any jobs humans do. Drive, police, construction and BUILD other robots.

At some point AI will have a bug or an error and they might turn on us.

Very short sighted of you. You fail to see how technology has changed in the last 100 years.

And your credentials are? LOL.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
44. It's that "they might turn on us" thing
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:53 PM
Nov 2014

Especially given the 5 year timeline of Musk's scenario. I think he's anthropomorphizing when he assumes that for some reason, the software running bots will decide for itself that it would be advantageous (or fun?) to screw with humans. It isn't completely impossible for some programming to react illogically to a noisy input or garbled data, but the odds of a robot or any other digital device becoming intelligently malevolent are vanishingly small compared with it simply shutting down. To even suggest that we are in imminent danger as Musk does here is a forehead slapper.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
40. This isn't crazy rambling. As AI evolves, it could turn on us and kill everyone.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:26 PM
Nov 2014

AI is fairly stupid now compared to what it could be. If you have AI that evolves and becomes autonomous, then it becomes fairly dangerous.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
45. There are only two outcomes.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:26 PM
Nov 2014

AI destroys humanity and goes to the core of the galaxy.

AI doesn't destroy humanity and goes to the core of the galaxy.

Destroying humanity is unnecessary for the goal of acquiring more energy and survival for 200 trillion years or however long it can last in the universe. In fact, trying to destroy humanity is one way to jeopardize that effort.

It would very much likely leave the planet immediately, leaving behind remnants that may or may not destroy humanity.

And it just might do so on a Falcon 9 rocket.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
46. How could the comps kill us?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:04 AM
Nov 2014

They sure could kill the civilization that is based on comps running so many 'things' but short of causing a nuclear war, comps couldn't kill off humanity. imo

Anyone have a different opinion?

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