another way to look at the ACA

[DonCoquixote]

some people say it is wonderful, and that we should bow before Obama for it
some people say it is gabagem ad should be toosed out.

The frist set of people ignore poeple that will be hurt by rising premiums
The second ignore people that have gotten health care for the first time, and who are getting it only because of ACA.

I say there is another way to look at it, using the analogy of school.

Every parent out there knows their children will need, at the very least, a high school diploma.
The seventh grade is a step towards that end, and yes, when the kid garudates form 7th grade, it is something to celebrate.
However, we do not allow the kid to think they are going to make a living with a 7th grade diploma, we see it as what it is , no more or less, a step forward towards a goal.

ACA was a step towards a goal, one that has to be cherishes, especially as BOTH parties , but ESPECIALLY the GOP, had agents who hated ANY help for the sick, period! However, we must USE ACA as a steeping stone to that eventual "diploma." To think that we can just let it go in hopes of getting Sedish style medical care is folly, because we know that REGARDLESS OF THE TRUTH, the Media will make sure the motto is "see, even those stoopid libruls did not want no gubbamint plan!"

[dawg]

1. The ACA isn't a panacea, but it does help lots of people.

If we won't defend (and try to improve upon) the incremental gains we have made, then there is no hope for truly universal health care in this country. It isn't just going to suddenly materialize out of nothing. The public isn't going to "wake up" and demand it. It will need to be built piece by piece, step by step. And the next step is to make comprehensive improvements and enhancements to the ACA.

[gcomeau]

2. Umm....

"The first set of people ignore people that will be hurt by rising premiums "

I'm sorry, were you under the impression the ACA caused or accelerated rising premiums and that this is thus something that people who support the ACA would need to ignore? Because that's simply not true. Unless this is meant as "the first set of people ignore that the ACA didn't fix all problems with health care". In which case, I doubt anyone is actually making that argument or ignoring that fact either.

[elleng]

3. Your OP overstates both groups' issues, imo.

There are surely other ways to look at it.

Overstating is a common problem with social media and plain old media. Overstatements are not necessary unless one doesn't have the time (or skill) to state points with precision or to elaborate, or for those politically motivated.

1. Some say ACA is good, it solves many of their problems, and we should thank President Obama and others in the government who worked hard in crafting this difficult legislation.

2. Some say it doesn't solve their problems, doesn't enable them to acquire suitable insurance at reasonable rates.

Clearly ACA was ONE step toward a socially necessary goal, seeing to it that everyone has good health care. It would be a good thing if everyone understood and agreed on the necessity, and recognized the complexity of arriving at it in this country. Unfortunately, many do not.

[KMOD]

4. Thank you, elleng, for your very fair assessment.

I'd like to see our concentration, and energy, focus on helping the people who have not been reached through the ACA yet.

[elleng]

6. Thanks, KMOD.

Yes, I agree.

[DonCoquixote]

7. there is an overstatement here in and of itself

We will not get to improve it if people buy into the "it's not perfect so let KILL IT NOW!" which sadly, is being peddled to some on the left as well as right.

[KMOD]

10. We are in agreement, DonCoquixote,

I am not in favor of taking it away from the many who are benefiting from it.

I am in favor of continuing to fight to make sure everyone has access to affordable health care. There are still too many uninsured, and too many who simply cannot afford insurance. Until everyone has access to affordable health care, the fight is not over.

ACA isn't perfect, so let's all work on how to make it better for everyone.

[DonCoquixote]

9. Overstatement

"It would be a good thing if everyone understood and agreed on the necessity, and recognized the complexity of arriving at it in this country. Unfortunately, many do not."

And that is why sim,ple anaolgies are used...stuff tyhat people can relate to, like 7th grade versus a high school diploma. But here you went and accused me not not wanting to put time, or using no skill, when the fact is, putting the message into a form that peoplem can understand is the skill, the skill that many lofty democrats feel that they do not need to do, which is the real reason why Joe sixpack does not understand us.

[DonCoquixote]

8. project Obama rapid response team?

That was an insult, but I will ignore that. As far as make it a public service, as I said, if we KILL IT, which ois what is being poushed, then there will be no chance to IMPROVE IT, to even get to work. As far as a mandated product, the fact is, in everywhere that has public healthcare, it is mandatory. Granted, i would rather pay the govt than insurance companies, but even then, there will be people who grouse, many of whome would be the same idiots that grouse in Canada and England about having to pay for Health Care, which the GOP glaldy flims.

Do no accuse me of not getting to work when some of us , like Obama hiumself, have been working at this, and unlike many, actually made some progress.