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Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Kinda like a control deal, huh. How about their modern weapons, bet they were not
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:30 PM
Nov 2014

Available during the period they want their religion to be rooted.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
2. IDK, but 'Name Removed' claimed Islam did everything first.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:32 PM
Nov 2014
Guess the same logic would apply. Never heard Muslims say they're against modern technology. So I don't think it's forbidden.



freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. I edited. They would probably say that's a lie, and claim Islam made it first.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:41 PM
Nov 2014

ISIS might claim infidels were created to work for them, but shouldn't have any control, as ISIS thinks Muslims are superior people.

Typical authoritarian way of thinking that covers a lot of territory, you know. They say non-Muslims should be enslaved or killed. Or maybe just the non-ISIS Muslims?

They are very big on how much better they are than anyone else, including Sunnis who don't follow their leaders. No matter what there is in life, it all belongs to them.

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
7. Typical cult. Followers are young men who think they are invincible. Authoritarians and cults
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:44 PM
Nov 2014

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make their own laws and enforce them, and of course they make up their own science. You are correct. They give policing, health and scientific roles to non experts so that they will enforce the cult's world view. Of course they will co op the ideas of the west as their own.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
6. 'They' have explained this.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:44 PM
Nov 2014

Have said it is okay to lie, cheat and steal in order to kill infidels and all non-followers of Islam.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. Yeah, but ISIS is extreme enough to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them on anything.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:19 AM
Nov 2014

That includes Muslims who don't toe the line. And it contradicts the Constitution of Medina:

Significance of the Ummah

Another important feature of the Constitution of Medina is the redefinition of ties between Muslims. The Constitution of Medina sets faith relationships above blood-ties and emphasizes individual responsibility.[29] Tribal identities are still important, and are used to refer to different groups, but the "main binding tie" for the newly created ummah is religion.[30] This contrasts with the norms of pre-Islamic Arabia, which was a thoroughly tribal society, although Serjeant postulates the existence of earlier theocratic communities.[31]*

According to Denny, “Watt has likened the Ummah as it is described in the document to a tribe, but with the important difference that it was to be based on religion and not on kinship”.[30] This is an important event in the development of the small group of Muslims in Medina to the larger Muslim community and empire.[32]


Rights of non-Muslims

The non-Muslims included in the ummah had the following rights:[33]


1. The security of God is equal for all groups,[34]

2. Non-Muslim members will have the same political and cultural rights as Muslims. They will have autonomy and freedom of religion.[35]

3. Non-Muslims will take up arms against the enemy of the Ummah and share the cost of war. There is to be no treachery between the two.[36]

4. Non-Muslims will not be obliged to take part in religious wars of the Muslims. **[37]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Constitution_of_Medina&printable=yes

*The Saudis appear to have violated that, and they possess Mecca.

**ISIS has broken each and every one of those rules.

Their medieval mindset in a more crowded world is a very bad idea. But it's won out before, causing a lot of devastation. And it's very hard to resist since the world is as interconnected as it is.

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