How Could Anyone Take Issue With What He Just Said And Did?.......

[global1]

The President did it again. He made perfect sense with his actions and this issue.

I just can't fathom the Repubs twisting his words and making him look evil by his actions and this speech tonight.

[spanone]

1. i know that you mean, but they will take issue with ANYTHING he does or says. they are irrational.

[madokie]

6. Hell they don't even wait until he says or does anything to take issue with it

They simply make shit up to get all besides themselves about. I say fuck'm

[Moostache]

29. Don't forget who the GOP is...

We're talking about people that see 7+ feet of snow in Buffalo, arctic temperatures in Jacksonville, semi-permanent droughts, and more and more examples by the day and still say "Climate change is a myth"...

We're talking about people who believe Benghazi is the greatest scandal in the history of the republic...bigger than Teapot Dome, bigger than Watergate, bigger than Iran-Contra, bigger even that 9/11 - where THOUSANDS died because the Shrub couldn't be bothered in Crawford to actually DO ANYTHING...

We're talking about people who have a large contingent of followers that think science is a scam and banking is building something...

I really wish we could let the south secede again and take most of the GOP base with them...

[randys1]

2. They wont just take issue, they will start killing people if they can.

The right are insane, full of hate, dangerous and the most unpatriotic human beings in the history of patriotism.

Understand the rightwing CONGRESSMEN are asking, with dog whistle, for their constituents to be violent.

[ChazII]

3. If there is a will

there is a way and the Repubs are always willing to twist words.

[walkingman]

4. I think this was a brilliant move by the President

it represents the ideals of being an American. Sure there will be those opposed but they will be on the wrong side of history. This President never fails to amaze me in so many ways. I'm proud to be an Obama supporter tonight.

Peace

[VanillaRhapsody]

10. me too

Proud to be an American....Historic speech...

Statue of Liberty came to my mind...

[shenmue]

5. "There is a black man in the White House"

- Mike Malloy.

[rurallib]

7. logic and sense has no currency for the tea bag world

[csziggy]

8. How can they take issue? The GOP leaders will because they are filled with hate

The GOP followers will because they will never actually hear or read the President's words, they will just hear twisted versions perverted by the right wing media.

[VanillaRhapsody]

9. well there were those that were pissed at

Lincoln

[Yo_Mama]

11. He does not seem to have the legal authority to do most of it.

If laws are in effect, the president can't simply ignore them, any more than you or I may.

The GOP are going to sue and that lawsuit will succeed.

[emulatorloo]

18. President Obama was a Constitutional Law Professor

I think you are most likely mistaken about his legal authority here.

[Yo_Mama]

22. Which is why the SC voted 9-0 that his NLRB recess appointments were invalid? Uh-huh.

I recall that argument being used on DU in reference to that issue also. The courts and the SC have acted rather consistently in powers cases, and I see no indication at all that it will change, or has changed. The SC has slapped the constitutional law professor with several 9-0 rulings when he has overstepped quite recently. Off the top of my head,
United States v. Jones (GPS without warrant):
Sackett v EPA (overreach by EPA)
Hosanna-Tabor (overreach by EEOC)
Gabelli v Tabor (statute of limitations case for federal civil action, overreach by DOJ)
Sekhar (a rather twisted interpretation of a statute by prosecutor was struck because it twisted Congress' meaning)
Arizona, of course. That refers to the immigration laws and intent.
http://www2.bloomberglaw.com/public/desktop/document/Arizona_v_United_States_No_11182_2012_BL_157302_US_June_25_2012_C

NLRB SC opinion (written by Breyer):
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-1281_mc8p.pdf

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/20/dont-count-out-the-court/

This is not that close a call. Youngstown still rules the day, and if anything, the Youngstown spirit is stronger now. The Executive does have some latitude under current federal immigration law. I don't think the SC can swallow the violation of Congressional intent:
Arizona, of course. That refers to the immigration laws and intent.
http://www2.bloomberglaw.com/public/desktop/document/Arizona_v_United_States_No_11182_2012_BL_157302_US_June_25_2012_C
Arizona was decided this summer, and it was interesting. Where the Arizona law contradicted statute, it was struck. Where it contradicted Executive policy, it was upheld. I would consider it a preview of the coming attraction.

Of course we don't have all the details of tonight's policy announcement and they will be material, but what the President just seemed to be announcing was a comprehensive and somewhat formalized enforcement scheme that essentially legalizes persons that Congress has not chosen to legalize. I don't think he can do it!!

The interesting part of this is the political infighting. In fact, the GOP favors further immigration. They just don't want to admit it, but the H1B thing was quietly snuck through with broad GOP support. This was originally a GOP policy designed to break unions and degrade wages, and by God, it has been effective.

So I think he is forcing the GOP to come out of the shadows with this action. And in fact, most in the country do not want people who are basically law abiding and have integrated themselves into the community to be randomly deported.

But I doubt that the SC will be moved by the appeal to humanity, because in fact these people shouldn't be still in this country in quasi-status. If they are to be here legally, they should have all rights. If the SC strikes then Congress will have to act or will bear the responsibility for not acting, which is the legally correct way to do it, and will have better results in the long term.

[jwirr]

21. So if this is so illegal how did all those other presidents do it? The Rs think it is illegal but

they as usual do not care what the truth is. Sure they are going to sue because it is just one more example of their obstructionism.

[Yo_Mama]

23. Deportation is one thing - although scale may be an issue.

But some of the other stuff is quite different. This is relatively sweeping.

The deportation stuff being talked about is a diversion. The President here seems to be making up his own immigration policy, which no law authorizes him to do and which in fact conflicts with laws on the books. Making them legal workers is probably beyond his powers.

The funny thing is that the GOP power brokers are really in favor, but the voters are not.

[jwirr]

41. Maybe voters in your area are not but that is not true in mine NE MN. Also I was around when

all those other presidents used their powers to help immigrants. This bill is no different than theirs. Also this is a challenge to the Rs to get up off their duffs and produce their own bill in the House if they are so against this. For 6 years the Rs have done nothing and they are the ones forcing this not the President.

[WhiteAndNerdy]

33. My right-wing nutjob father said something like that to me.

My response was that law enforcement always involves prioritizing to some degree. We don't have the resources to enforce every law and regulation to the letter. Local police departments, for example, put very little effort into rape cases or home burglaries because the so-called "War on Drugs" has been more highly prioritized. Federal law enforcement has prioritized terrorism as well as drugs in recent years, with the result that less attention is given to white-collar crime.

Every administration has to pick and choose what they're going to focus on; in that sense, Obama is not doing anything different from any previous president, at least when it comes to putting the emphasis on deporting criminals instead of families/parents of children who are citizens.

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[WhiteAndNerdy]

43. Just for the record, I was not the alerter.

But thanks for letting me know.

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44. And also for the record.

Folks who are going to use the I-Word here should probably put me on their Jury blacklist...lol.

[WhiteAndNerdy]

45. Okay?

I didn't use that word, either. It wasn't my post that was alerted on.

[stone space]

46. Didn't mean that directed towards you.

Your post was the closest I could place this in the thread.

Sorry!

[WhiteAndNerdy]

47. Oh, okay! Sorry for the confusion! :) nt

[treestar]

42. Prosecutorial discretion

The Republicans did it with OSHA laws.

They don't have to enforce all the laws and in fact they can't. The feds have too many laws. Half the population would have to be FBI or other agents.

[still_one]

12. and the MSM right along with the republicans doing the twisting.

[Boomerproud]

13. If Barack Obama says water is wet and the sky is blue

Repukes say "that's just HIM saying it-don't believe it". You've been noticing that I trust.

[graywarrior]

14. You should see the comments on WBZ's facebook page

It's disgusting!

[Prophet 451]

15. They may impeach him over it

They've been looking for a pretence to impeach for ages. No, they won't have the votes to convict but they'll spin it as "we had the majority to convict but he got off on a technicality" (the 2/3 requirement). They hate him, us and everything about both. They view a Democratic president as illegitimate by definition and have absolutely no hesitation in trying to encourage an assassination or a civil war along the way.

[walkingman]

38. I doubt it but

if they do then I think history will show it will mark the end of the GOP as a viable political party. You simply cannot be so blatantly ignorant and mean-spirited forever. As Obama said, we are a nation of immigrants and that has always been our strength. Who would want a society that embraces the KKK or John Birch society or Tea Party.

Peace

[Prophet 451]

48. You think better of the public than I do

[awoke_in_2003]

16. They would take issue with him...

if he said he liked puppies.

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. Here, let me explain ...

All some republicans, conservatives, tea-partiers, and progressives hear is:

Blah, Blah, Blah ... {some Democrat/Black guy talking ... must find something objectionable} ... Blah, Blah, Blah.

[MohRokTah]

19. It's nothing different from what Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush the Elder, or Bush the Dumber

did.

[onecaliberal]

28. Bush the dumber, had a very similar

Position on immigration. He couldn't get republicans to move on it either. Goes to show republicans are not interested in a solution to this issue.

[Odin2005]

20. It's quite simple: THEY HATE BROWN PEOPLE.

In their minds America is a country for While Evangelical Protestant Christians, and therefore, allowing Catholic brown people to become citizens is "treason".

[maced666]

24. Yes...yes...yes.yes.

Its brown people...and they hate them.

[MohRokTah]

37. WRONG! It's not that they HATE Brown People.

It's that they FEAR Brown people will do to White people what White people have done to Brown people for centuries:

Kobach: Obama's Lawlessness Could Lead To 'Ethnic Cleansing' In America

...

"What happens, if you know your history, when one culture or one race or one religion overwhelms another culture or race?" the caller asked. "When one race or culture overwhelms another culture, they run them out or they kill them."

Kobach then responded with his take.

"What protects us in America from any kind of ethnic cleansing is the rule of law, of course," Kobach said. "And the rule of law used to be unassailable, used to be taken for granted in America. And now, of course, we have a President who disregards the law when it suits his interests. And, so, you know, while I normally would answer that by saying, 'Steve, of course we have the rule of law, that could never happen in America,' I wonder what could happen. I still don't think it’s going to happen in America, but I have to admit, that things are, things are strange and they're happening."

...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kris-kobach-obama-ethnic-cleansing

[True Blue Door]

25. Republicans are evil and/or stupid. There, mystery solved.

[relayerbob]

26. I'd like to know ...

how much the networks were paid to ensure no one actually heard the message so they can spin it however they want.

[onecaliberal]

27. Unless you have a bank account with 7 figures

Republicans really don't give two shits about you. It's really hard to fathom even one person being so terribly informed that they would buy the lies and hate.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

30. Are you serious?

These people are EXPERTS at twisting things.

First off, they will claim EVERYTHING he said was a LIE and then go from there.

I did a search on YouTube for "Obama Speech" and limited it to the last 24 hours and there were tons of them calling it his "amnesty speech" when it's no such thing. Right Wingers a DELUSIONAL and hear what they WANT to hear. There are show hosts that KNOW this and feed their hate and then give them desert.

[RKP5637]

31. The republicans are a total bunch of bozos and buffoons. There is no intelligence, logic or sense

with them, most of whom are bullying assholes.

[Gothmog]

39. President Obama is doing the right thing here

The GOP will object but they are only going to look stupid for their objections

[Orsino]

40. By not listening to it. n/t