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Everyone interested in CT involving 11/22/63 should read this article: (Original Post) PCIntern Nov 2014 OP
Thank you for posting this link Samantha Nov 2014 #1
You're welcome, Sam…and to add: PCIntern Nov 2014 #2
A question everyone who believes in or suspects a conspiracy should ask him- KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #4
Academically and logically your statement is entirely off-base... PCIntern Nov 2014 #5
I did indeed read the link. I used to believe that a conspiracy had KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #8
Why should I be pressured by those who are swayed by PCIntern Nov 2014 #12
k&r... spanone Nov 2014 #3
Thank you, PCIntern. Octafish Nov 2014 #6
A guilty conscience is the prosecutor's best friend sorechasm Nov 2014 #9
'Corrupt' has such a negative connotation. Octafish Nov 2014 #10
Bookmarking to read later. Thanks for posting senseandsensibility Nov 2014 #7
Good find.. MinM Nov 2014 #11
Though the two had never met before, Spector was apparently interested in Salandria's opinion pacalo Nov 2014 #13
Good read... MinM Nov 2014 #14
Exactly. He was corrupt. pacalo Nov 2014 #15

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
1. Thank you for posting this link
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:01 PM
Nov 2014

I read the entire article. I believe in the essential authenticity of what was reported, but I have studied this issue many years and I do believe Johnson, along with his attorney, spearheaded the whole assassination. I also believe elements within the government and prominent politicians knew beforehand and condoned the assassination. And yes, it is important to learn the literal truth if we don't want to see a repeat event on other presidents.

Sam

PCIntern

(25,619 posts)
2. You're welcome, Sam…and to add:
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:08 PM
Nov 2014

those of us who were around for this event knew or suspected that the story was being manipulated and changed moment by moment to fit the prescribed narrative, much like we knew or suspected that weapons of mass destruction was a lie in the buildup to the Iraq invasion. Note that many of us who believe as we believe are summarily dismissed. That's fine…these people are either missing the point of the discussion or have an agenda. I will readily admit that I have an agenda: the Truth, which will probably not be acknowledged in my lifetime. But it's OK…the country has "moved on"…exactly in the direction in which TPTB wanted it to on that day. There's lots to ponder about who took the reins here thereafter and it isn't much ado about nothing. It is the changing of world history and dynamics for the rest of time. Right in front of my eyes on that old Zenith Black and White TeeVee.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
4. A question everyone who believes in or suspects a conspiracy should ask him-
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:28 PM
Nov 2014

or herself: what evidence or testimony would it take to convince you that LHO was the sole assassin? Is there any set of facts or testimony that would cause you to reject your belief or suspicion of a conspiracy?

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
8. I did indeed read the link. I used to believe that a conspiracy had
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:14 PM
Nov 2014

been involved in the assassination of JFK. Then I read Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History and it changed my mind so that I now think LHO acted alone.

I'm not sure my question is 'entirely off-base' logically. If one believes in a certain hypothesis, it seems to me there would be at least some group of hypothetical facts that could disprove that theory. For example, what would happen to CTs involving LHO if a diary he wrote was authenticated in which he laid out his ambition to kill JFK, so as to procure Cuban favor for his transit visa request? Would such a new 'fact' disprove all CT?

PCIntern

(25,619 posts)
12. Why should I be pressured by those who are swayed by
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 06:10 PM
Nov 2014

obvious propaganda to change my beliefs of 51 years? The style is to make me defensive about my beliefs…like I have to prove something intellectually to disbelievers. No thank you. I've lived thru the lies of the PTB for too long. As far as if he wrote this and if he wrote that…it would incumbent upon YOU to prove that he in fact had written it not under duress. Whether he participated or not is not in question in my mind…I don't care about foot-soldiers in this regard. But you don't care what I care about.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. Thank you, PCIntern.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:42 PM
Nov 2014

Salandia:

Vince grew up in a South Philly rowhouse across from St. Agnes Hospital, one of eight children. His job as a boy was to deliver clothes uptown for his father, who was a tailor. One day, when he was 13, Vince was cutting through the ghetto and came upon two white cops savagely beating a black man. Blood poured from the man, and the cops kept right on beating him

“That shocked me,” Vince says. “Power can’t treat human beings like this.”

Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/articles/vince-salandria-jfk-conspiracy-theorist/#3MjDAfgsQiqhyvrA.99

sorechasm

(631 posts)
9. A guilty conscience is the prosecutor's best friend
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:44 PM
Nov 2014
Then Specter said: “You charged me then, at that meeting, with fraud.”

That was true. As Vince laid out his case in his first article, the Warren Commission’s work was speculation conforming to none of the evidence, without the slightest credibility, with errors in logic and contrary to the laws of physics and geometry. He was charging Specter with corruption. Of perpetrating a fraud.

And now, at lunch, Arlen Specter had a request. “Instead of calling me corrupt,” he said, “can you change it to incompetent?”


Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/articles/vince-salandria-jfk-conspiracy-theorist/#sBAHtlmmhK0KUh1o.99


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. 'Corrupt' has such a negative connotation.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:17 PM
Nov 2014

Criminal, really.

Memory doesn't associate "Incompetent" when weighing a person's Integrity.

MinM

(2,650 posts)
11. Good find..
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:51 PM
Nov 2014
Vincent Salandria, along with his protégé Jerry Policoff, were among the earliest critics of the Warren Report.

First because it was an obvious sham. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, because they were from Philadelphia and they knew Arlen Specter.


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"The Warren Commission was set up at the time to feed pablum to the American people for reasons not yet known .. One of the Biggest Cover-ups in the history of this Country occurred at that time." -- Sen. Richard Schweiker

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
13. Though the two had never met before, Spector was apparently interested in Salandria's opinion
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 10:48 PM
Nov 2014

in the last stage of Spector's life.

And now, at lunch, Arlen Specter had a request. “Instead of calling me corrupt,” he said, “can you change it to incompetent?”


When Arlen Specter asked Vince Salandria to change his opinion of him from corrupt to incompetent, Vince told him that he couldn’t change it. He told Arlen Specter he knew from the public record that the Senator was quite competent then—in 1964—and that he was, at all times, competent. He had never considered Specter incompetent. And he wasn’t incompetent now.


As Spector admitted, the Warren Commission felt it was "not necessary" for them to evaluate key autopsy reports:

The Warren Commission, for example, didn’t examine the Kennedy autopsy X-rays and photographs—supposedly in deference to the Kennedy family.


Specter said that he had wanted to see the autopsy photographs and X-rays, but that “the commission reached the conclusion that it was not necessary.”


And, lastly, this is why presidents are limited in what they can do (in Salandria's words):

“Until we really come to grips with the true meaning of the assassination—i.e., the coup, by military intelligence services of the country—civil liberties are necessarily restricted,” he says. “Every president since Kennedy knows what happened to him and why. Therefore, every president knows he’s circumscribed in terms of what he can do and who he can oppose and how much he opposes them.”


In Salandria's opinion, JFK and the Unspeakable is the "best work ever written on the assassination".

On the way out of the Oyster House, Vince handed Specter a copy of James Douglass’s book JFK and the Unspeakable, published in 2008. The book is dedicated to Vince and another conspiracy theorist. Vince told Specter it was the best work ever written on the assassination.







MinM

(2,650 posts)
14. Good read...
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 10:07 PM
Nov 2014

Although incompetence would not really apply in this case. Arlen Specter was a political fixer. If there was a narrative that needed protection from inconvenient truth .. Specter was the man.

From .. Jean Hill to Anita Hill .. Arlen Specter protected certain narratives from those inconvenient facts. Arlen may have been a lot of things but incompetent was not one of them. In fact Specter proved to be very effective in his chosen role.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
15. Exactly. He was corrupt.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:04 PM
Nov 2014

Otherwise, the brilliant prosecutorial mind would have insisted that the commission include the autopsy X-rays & photographs to support their 'findings'.

Specter was assigned to figure out the basic logistics of the shooting: how many shots, how many gunmen, where did the bullets come from?

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