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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEveryone interested in CT involving 11/22/63 should read this article:
I'm a cynic of the Warren Commission, I'll leave it at that - but here's something worth reading no matter what "side" you're on:
http://www.phillymag.com/tag/arlen-specter/
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I read the entire article. I believe in the essential authenticity of what was reported, but I have studied this issue many years and I do believe Johnson, along with his attorney, spearheaded the whole assassination. I also believe elements within the government and prominent politicians knew beforehand and condoned the assassination. And yes, it is important to learn the literal truth if we don't want to see a repeat event on other presidents.
Sam
PCIntern
(25,619 posts)those of us who were around for this event knew or suspected that the story was being manipulated and changed moment by moment to fit the prescribed narrative, much like we knew or suspected that weapons of mass destruction was a lie in the buildup to the Iraq invasion. Note that many of us who believe as we believe are summarily dismissed. That's fine these people are either missing the point of the discussion or have an agenda. I will readily admit that I have an agenda: the Truth, which will probably not be acknowledged in my lifetime. But it's OK the country has "moved on" exactly in the direction in which TPTB wanted it to on that day. There's lots to ponder about who took the reins here thereafter and it isn't much ado about nothing. It is the changing of world history and dynamics for the rest of time. Right in front of my eyes on that old Zenith Black and White TeeVee.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)or herself: what evidence or testimony would it take to convince you that LHO was the sole assassin? Is there any set of facts or testimony that would cause you to reject your belief or suspicion of a conspiracy?
PCIntern
(25,619 posts)BTW, did you read the link?
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)been involved in the assassination of JFK. Then I read Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History and it changed my mind so that I now think LHO acted alone.
I'm not sure my question is 'entirely off-base' logically. If one believes in a certain hypothesis, it seems to me there would be at least some group of hypothetical facts that could disprove that theory. For example, what would happen to CTs involving LHO if a diary he wrote was authenticated in which he laid out his ambition to kill JFK, so as to procure Cuban favor for his transit visa request? Would such a new 'fact' disprove all CT?
PCIntern
(25,619 posts)obvious propaganda to change my beliefs of 51 years? The style is to make me defensive about my beliefs like I have to prove something intellectually to disbelievers. No thank you. I've lived thru the lies of the PTB for too long. As far as if he wrote this and if he wrote that it would incumbent upon YOU to prove that he in fact had written it not under duress. Whether he participated or not is not in question in my mind I don't care about foot-soldiers in this regard. But you don't care what I care about.
spanone
(135,917 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Salandia:
Vince grew up in a South Philly rowhouse across from St. Agnes Hospital, one of eight children. His job as a boy was to deliver clothes uptown for his father, who was a tailor. One day, when he was 13, Vince was cutting through the ghetto and came upon two white cops savagely beating a black man. Blood poured from the man, and the cops kept right on beating him
That shocked me, Vince says. Power cant treat human beings like this.
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/articles/vince-salandria-jfk-conspiracy-theorist/#3MjDAfgsQiqhyvrA.99
sorechasm
(631 posts)Then Specter said: You charged me then, at that meeting, with fraud.
That was true. As Vince laid out his case in his first article, the Warren Commissions work was speculation conforming to none of the evidence, without the slightest credibility, with errors in logic and contrary to the laws of physics and geometry. He was charging Specter with corruption. Of perpetrating a fraud.
And now, at lunch, Arlen Specter had a request. Instead of calling me corrupt, he said, can you change it to incompetent?
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/articles/vince-salandria-jfk-conspiracy-theorist/#sBAHtlmmhK0KUh1o.99
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Criminal, really.
Memory doesn't associate "Incompetent" when weighing a person's Integrity.
senseandsensibility
(17,197 posts)this interesting article.
MinM
(2,650 posts)First because it was an obvious sham. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, because they were from Philadelphia and they knew Arlen Specter.
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"The Warren Commission was set up at the time to feed pablum to the American people for reasons not yet known .. One of the Biggest Cover-ups in the history of this Country occurred at that time." -- Sen. Richard Schweiker
pacalo
(24,721 posts)in the last stage of Spector's life.
When Arlen Specter asked Vince Salandria to change his opinion of him from corrupt to incompetent, Vince told him that he couldnt change it. He told Arlen Specter he knew from the public record that the Senator was quite competent thenin 1964and that he was, at all times, competent. He had never considered Specter incompetent. And he wasnt incompetent now.
As Spector admitted, the Warren Commission felt it was "not necessary" for them to evaluate key autopsy reports:
And, lastly, this is why presidents are limited in what they can do (in Salandria's words):
In Salandria's opinion, JFK and the Unspeakable is the "best work ever written on the assassination".
Although incompetence would not really apply in this case. Arlen Specter was a political fixer. If there was a narrative that needed protection from inconvenient truth .. Specter was the man.
From .. Jean Hill to Anita Hill .. Arlen Specter protected certain narratives from those inconvenient facts. Arlen may have been a lot of things but incompetent was not one of them. In fact Specter proved to be very effective in his chosen role.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Otherwise, the brilliant prosecutorial mind would have insisted that the commission include the autopsy X-rays & photographs to support their 'findings'.