There's now a picture of Zimmerman's bloody head, supposedly taken minutes after he shot Trayvon

[CatWoman]

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-bloody-head-shot-trayvon-martin-graphic-photo?page=2

[LaurenG]

1.

[madokie]

3. That doesn't even look like the back of his head

more lying bullshit from the zimmerman the murderers corner

[bigapple]

22. actually

it does. The shape of his head, the short hair, etc.

[obamanut2012]

25. I was wondering when you'd pop up

[bigapple]

33. shout out to you too

[siligut]

46. It does not, Zimmerman's head is squarish and his neck is shorter

The short hair is about all that is even close.

[madokie]

82. Damn are we overrun with apologist today or what?

Hell it may be I'm in the wrong place, shit, I don't know sometimes.
And you are right the murderers head is more squarish and his neck is almost nonexistent. This is not the same person and someone is committing a crime by suggesting it is. IMO

[siligut]

90. I was thinking the same thing about the apologists

They cause me the same irritation that I get from repugs, must be the delusional thinking.

[nanabugg]

94. Ever had a nose bleed? One litter scratch inside the nose makes more blood than this.

And they sure cleaned his head up fast for the subsequent pictures. He also could have bumped and scraped his head getting and out of the police car. What did Trayvon use to make this wound...skittles...his cell phone. If it was his cell phone then blood should have been documented on the cell phone but I bet it wasn't.

[EOTE]

104. And the fact that these wounds are horizontal while the "enhanced" pics show vertical wounds?

Lemme guess, they moved around during the ride to the station? You must be exhausted with all the mental gymnastics you participate in viciously defending a murderer.

[snooper2]

45. You know, there's no reason to suspect this is a "fake" CBS is fairly reputable

The question you should be asking is obviously the prosecutor has all the evidence, and even with this she still chose to press charges for murder.

Or we can go the conspiracy theory route LOL

[justabob]

15. it sure doesn't seem like much blood for a head injury

Even tiny cuts and injuries bleed like crazy. That photo sure doesn't look like it bled much, a few drips.

[bigapple]

30. head injuries

do not have to bleed heavily to be fatal.

Plus it shows that his head was being beaten by something harder than Martin's fists. Something like concrete.

[justabob]

57. true

but seeing as how EMTs didn't feel the need to transport him for concussion or any of those things related to "head injuries" I wasn't addressing those. If his head had been bashed on say, concrete, I still believe there would be a lot more blood... and redness and swelling around where the blood is. Indeed his head doesn't even need to be beaten with anything to bleed profusely, a minor scratch can bleed a lot and make it look much worse than it really is.

[LaurenG]

59. It looks like he was wearing a ball cap and he got scatched by the back of the

cap. As far as dying from a head injury, yeah no blood needs to be visable for a head injury to kill. However there is NO bruising, NO bumps and no other sign of having a serious injury. Besides the fact that he refused treatment because he knew he wasn't hurt. My guess is he fell backward when trying to kill Tryvon and then he shot the poor kid.

[bigapple]

63. ok so according to your theory

he fell backwards, hit his head, then shot poor Martin.

If evidence comes out that Martin was shot at extremely close range, what does that do to your theory?

[LaurenG]

70. Nothing, he was shot at close range as far as I know.

when you fall back because someone is fighting for their life you can scratch yourself (if that is even Zimmermans head) and if he was true to character he would have gotten angry and shot Martin. Oh and try to calm yourself, its just a theory.

[bigapple]

65. seriously?

a ball cap did this?

[LaurenG]

72. Well what do you think happened

how did such a small amount of blood get on the back of his head? Scratched by the plastic on his cap or beaten by a sidewalk? Hummmm?

[stevenleser]

79. I can tell you what happened. BigApple the Troll was Served a Big Fat Pizza! Thanks MIRT! ;-)

[LaurenG]

83. I was happy to have seen that.

Thanks MIRT.

[HangOnKids]

84. Thank Goodness!

What an insufferable jerk. He'll be back though, what a sad pathetic life these losers must live.

[Horse with no Name]

92. It lasted 16 days

[madokie]

50. Red food coloring is what it looks like to me

Its just more blowing in the wind hoping one of these stories has legs. Z is a murderer and nothing more

[bigapple]

64. where on earth do you think

Zimmerman managed to get red food coloring minutes after shooting Martin? Or did he carry it in his pocket?

[madokie]

78. This photo wasn't taken minutes after the murder

We've all seen the video of when he was taken to the police station and he did not I repeat did not have blood or red dye or whatever on his head.

[Sheepshank]

73. Looks like someone just took off a baseball cap. That straight line is odd looking.

Was Zimmerman, wearing a cap...like a baseball cap?

[Ian David]

2. Why do they appear to be coming from straight lines? Looks like razor cuts. n/t

[CatWoman]

6. that's what a friend just said when I showed it to him

he said wrestlers used to do this.

[stlsaxman]

28. and where are the contusions from having his head "slammed into the sidewalk"?

[obamanut2012]

48. Yup -- abrasions and bruising would be there

[bigapple]

49. not within minutes

bruising in particular takes time to develop

[obamanut2012]

62. Notv true -- usually almost immediately for bruises

And, of course, the abrasions are present.

If I pounded your head on cement a few times, you would most definitely have abrasions, bruising, and probably even a bit of swelling, although the latter would mostly happen later. just as the bruising would become worse, but the bruising would, indeed, be there.

[magical thyme]

51. it could have been the edge of the sidewalk

they were near the paved path between townhouses.

Like it or not, this is going to be more complex than the simply slam-dunk that we've seen hashed out here. Real life is always more complex than teevee, etc.

That doesn't mean Trayvon's murder was in any way justified. Just that Zimmerman's story is probably a mix of truth and lies designed to get him off.

[Cirque du So-What]

4. Assuming that photo hasn't been 'shopped

it looks as though all the blood is coming from a straight-line incision along his scalp - something you'd expect to see from a very superficial incision with a knife or razor blade. 'Professional' wrestlers have been cutting themselves in a similar manner for years, mostly on the forehead, in order to give their fans some of what they crave.

[bigapple]

32. if that was taken by the police

you think he did that to himself before in the minute or so before the police came?

Where was the knife or razor blade then?

[CatWoman]

42. good question

where did you hide them?

[RockaFowler]

5. And this proves he was beaten to a pulp??

[bigapple]

34. it

shows that his head was in contact with something hard. like concrete.

[RockaFowler]

40. Guess that's not the same thing

Cuts/scrapes on the back of your head are not beaten to a pulp

[bigapple]

41. but

getting your head slammed into concrete could put someone in reasonable fear of grievous harm.

[RockaFowler]

52. I'm sorry, these cuts don't show slamming into concrete

Again, not proof for anyone to get shot

[Sheepshank]

76. those head wound scenarios you paint are ridiculous.

Those could so very easily e the results of someone who was defending themselves agains a man with a gun.

There are NO skin abrasions consistent and indicating repeated slamming of the head on concrete.

[DetlefK]

7. Who shot it, when, where, on which camera and who is this person?

How come this photo was never mentioned?

Wasn't the ambulance called off after the cops arrested Zimmerman?

Was the back of Zimmerman's head visible in the surveillance tapes of the Sanford police station? (I think so, but not sure.)

[ProgressiveProfessor]

27. Finally someone asks something intelligent

rather than flights of fancy and hyperbole.

The provenance is key...

[True Earthling]

38. The digital info embedded in the photo indicates it was taken 3 minutes after the shooting

and the GPS info matches the location of the shooting. The photo was taken by an iPhone.

[LiberalFighter]

66. Where is the photo that you had access for that data?

[Lizzie Poppet]

71. According to the news report...

According to the news report, the pic is from an iPhone. That will make it pretty straightforward to judge its authenticity. While it's possible to alter a downloaded pic to that level of detail, there are no apps that I know of for the iPhone that would allow doing so to the original version still on the phone. The investigators will be using that original photo on teh phone itself, and if there are shenanigans, they should be readily apparent.

It is theoretically possible to reload an altered version of the shot back onto the phone and still preserve the location and timestamp embedding...but to do so without leaving a trace would be a very sophisticated hack.

[LiberalFighter]

87. The claim is that it was taken 2 to 3 minutes after the incident.

Who took the photo?

My guess based on the angle of the photo in relation to the head that Z took it himself.

[maddezmom]

96. I read his neighbor took the pic and asked the neighbor to call his wife.

But looking at the picture above, it looks like he's on his own phone.

[DetlefK]

115. The mere existence of this photo might be proof that Zimmerman is a dangerous person

...because he wasn't shocked by Martin's death.

Kills someone and 3 minutes later he documents his wounds?
Don't know about you, but photographing myself would be the very last thing on my mind in this situation.

[earthside]

8. Actually quite a slight wound.

Very little blood ... almost like an abrasion or contusion rather than a deep skin puncturing cut, like one would expect if a head had been bashed into a sidewalk.

If this is Zimmerman's head, it looks more like he backed into a door or perhaps was scratched if there was a scuffle and Trayvon was trying to save his life from the man with the gun.

All-in-all, if this photo is what it purports to be, I don't think this backs-up the Zimmerman story as it has been presented thus far.

[Fawke Em]

16. This is exactly what I was going to say.

Sometimes one of my over boisterous dogs have accidentally nicked me in the face with a nail or a rough paw. The cut bleeds profusely, but I'm left with little more than a scratch when I clean up the bleeding.

The head has many tiny capillaries and veins and any small cut will cause the head to bleed like all get-out, but, once the bleeding stops, one is usually left with nothing but a superficial wound.

Nothing like "Shaken Baby Syndrome," certainly.

[bigapple]

23. do you think

that it was caused by fists or concrete?

If someone is pounding your head into concrete, is that a reasonable fear of grievous injury?

[CatWoman]

29. if someone tells you to go pound sand

do you actually do it with your fists?

[bigapple]

37. I don't understand your question

[CatWoman]

54. maybe you can understand this question:

what does it feel like to constantly and vigorously defend a walking, talking bag of shit?

[bigapple]

61. I think

even a walking talking bag of s--- has the right to a fair trial and not be subject to a lynching.

Originally the wild story was that Martin was shot in the back while fleeing.

State's affidavit shows that Martin was shot in the chest.
Now it shows that Zimmerman's head was in contact with something hard (possibly the ground).
Next I expect that evidence will come out to show that Martin was shot at close range.

Taken together, the evidence so far does tend to reject the initial claim of a cold-blooded murderer shooting someone in the back and suggests that there was an altercation during which Zimmerman was in reasonable fear of grievous harm and acted in self-defense.

[stevenleser]

101. No you don't. Think that is. nt

[deutsey]

9. Even if this is legit (and I have no idea if it is)

The dipshit should have stayed his busybody ass in his car instead of opting to play John Wayne.

I don't know exactly what happened...I wasn't there. However, Trayvon didn't jump into Zimmerman's car or drag him out onto the street to assault him.

It seems to me that Trayvon had every right to "stand his ground" against a stranger who was stalking him as it's getting dark outside and who then gets out of his car and approaches him.

Under a similar circumstance, I would have used my training in martial arts to defend myself.

And if saw a gun, I would have done anything I could to incapacitate this guy.

[CatWoman]

10. Hi Deuts

[deutsey]

11. Hi darling!

It's always nice to see another "old-timer" around.

[Oilwellian]

77. Hey, I want in on this lovefest

You are two of the reasons why I continue hanging around. You both knew me as Oaf of Office way back when.

Deutsey, we had the pleasure of meeting at a DU gathering in DC to participate in the first anti-Iraq war protest. I must say, I proceeded to get shitfaced the night before the protest, because that is when I learned of Wellstone's death. The news was such a shock to my soul, and I truly regret feeling hazy the rest of the weekend and probably seeming somewhat aloof.

Cat, you were greatly missed that weekend. DU stars like Will Pitt, dreamy Matcom, Mike & Kathy Malloy, LynneSin, the sweet DU'er who passed away just a few months later, whose name is escaping me at the moment (shame on me), Deutsey, and a few BartCoppers to throw in for good measure. What a great group to hang around with and a memory I'll always treasure.



Anyway, insofar as the photo is concerned, it may well be a scrape on Zimmerman's head due to a scuffle he had with Trayvon. What must be continually repeated is, Trayvon had the right to "stand his ground" and defend himself from an armed, psychotic wannabe cop. All of the evidence from the very beginning shows Trayvon on the defensive. From the time he told his girlfriend someone was following him and he turned around and ran; to his girlfriend hearing Trayvon ask why he was following him; to the 40 second audio of Trayvon crying for help up to his death; the position of his body just a few feet away from the safety of his father's home. He was always trying to reach safety, from start to finish, and it is no surprise if Trayvon tried to defend himself somewhere along the way.

[CatWoman]

97. hey you!!!!

so very good to another DUer from "back in the day"

[Oilwellian]

109. Hello my friend!

I can't believe we've been here for over a decade!

[deutsey]

108. Meeeeeemories...

I remember that day...kind of the whole best of times/worst of times thing going on.

The war, Wellstone's death, and Bush/Cheney being the worst of times, of course; and the Old DU, the anti-war demonstrations, the sense of energy...sigh.

[Oilwellian]

110. I know

It truly was a bittersweet experience.

[LiberalFighter]

86. Zimmerman can't get past that.

Even if Trayvon attacked him Zimmerman created the situation that justified the attack by Trayvon. Highly unlikely that Z was standing his ground and Trayvon attacked Z as Z claims.

I don't recall if Z was in the vehicle when the attack supposedly occurred. But if he was how difficult is it for anyone to pull someone out of it especially when the door is closed? There are too many variables that work against Z.

The only concern I have is whether the prosecutor is capable of piecing all of this together to destroy Z's testimony. Maybe even include forever destroying the father's stance in the community.

[uponit7771]

12. No face = not zimmerman

[bigapple]

24. quesiton

how to you take a photo of the back of someone's head AND his face at the same time?

[vaberella]

39. If there is a picture of the back of his head...

Where is the complimentary picture of the front of his face which was apparently also bloody? I'm a bit spectical until I see both together since he said both things happened. Until then...you can't prove that it was him... can you?

[bigapple]

43. don't worry

I'm sure it will come out.

If the photo was taken by the cops at the scene, I'm very sure they have many more including the front as well as the position of the body.

[vaberella]

55. This picture was not taken by the police. Apparently it was taken by an Iphone.

Where is the picture of his nose? I'm far from worried.

[cr8tvlde]

122. um, you take more than one shot, I mean photo

since the person is clearly posing and agreeable. And Zimmerman does not have a top bald head, as one can see a hairline.

[Blue_Tires]

13. That's a load...If this was real they would have broadcast it everywhere the following morning...

[HooptieWagon]

14. Is there a source for the photo cited?

Strange that this showed up so late...
Strange it didnt get bandaged...
Strange no trip to hospital...
Strange no blood at police station, not a drop...

So Im going to call fake until we hear this was taken by cops or emts, and we see the emt report backing up the photo.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

31. Very valid questions

The source and timing of the photos will be key

[uponit7771]

17. *****THERE'S NO BLOOD ON THE BACK OF THE T SHIRT*******

I call BS, if he was bleed that heavy it would been blood on the back of the t shirt...

These guys screwed themselves

[bigapple]

26. head injuries

do not have to have heavy bleeding to be fatal.

[dionysus]

35. keep up providing us free entertainment...

[obamanut2012]

44. I know -- is it too early for

?

[stevenleser]

81. Hey, after that person was given the boot, I say we break out the champagne! :-)

I'd like to personally thank the whole MIRT team.

[pinboy3niner]

85. ...

[CatWoman]

98. LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stevenleser]

102. I love 'The Continental'. One of the best SNL skits ever. I want to get all of them downloaded!

Thanks!

[stevenleser]

103. Here it is!

http://www.hulu.com/watch/4191/saturday-night-live-the-continental

[pinboy3niner]

107. A classic, LOL!

Thanks for posting it!

And now for some sham-pag-na...

[obamanut2012]

123. +1

[dionysus]

119. sleep well, sweet, sweet prince...

[spanone]

18. ...and this appears today, why?

[CatWoman]

19. I'm thinking because of the bond hearing...

[spanone]

20. damned convenient.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

36. May have come out at the bond hearing

I was unable to watch it...perhaps someone else could fill us in.

The State Attorney has been sitting on just about everything useful.

[bigapple]

47. two words

exculpatory and discovery

[ProgressiveProfessor]

60. Neither of which include public release

Most of the hyperbole on either side could be dashed if additional data was released to the public.

[GoCubsGo]

21. Do they think people don't know how to use Google Images?

All one has to do is go to Google, type in "Zimmerman surveillance tapes", click on "Images", and compare this image to those that turn up there. I don't think whoever faked this photo bothered to do that, either. There are numerous photos taken from the tapes that point out an alleged "gash" on Zimmerman's head. The alleged gash in the tapes is not in the same place as those in the OP. No blood in the surveillance photos, either, along with more hair on the back of his head. That photo is Exhibit A of why I never watch ABC "News".

[HooptieWagon]

53. OK, which Zimmerman story is this supposed to back up?

The first "bash his head within an inch of his life" story? Arent we on the 5th or 6th story now? Why wouldnt they have produced the photo when they were spinning the initial story? I smell another Zimmdad rat...

[CatWoman]

56. very good question

perhaps bigapple has the answer to that as well.

[bigapple]

67. not sure

but when did Zimmerman's story change?

The elements have been consistent:
- there was a fight
- Z was below getting his head pounded into concrete.
- M was on top thus Z couldn't retreat.

The photo does tend to suggest Z could be telling the truth.

[annabanana]

58. So Trayvon was trying to defend himself from the gun-wielding attacker?

quelle suprise

[maddezmom]

68. exactly, the point seems to be missed by some on this thread

[bigapple]

69. firstly

there is no evidence Z drew before the fight.

Secondly even if Z was following (not stalking, which requires repeated action) M, M has no legal right to hit first or to pound his head into concrete.

[warrior1]

75. hey dude

zimmerman had no right to follow this child.

[stevenleser]

80. 'tis OK. MIRT booted the troll a few min ago. nt

[slackmaster]

95. Maybe he was, maybe not

We don't know exactly what happened.

[Daalalou]

74. From the beginning, before the police video was released...

... I thought that Zimmerman probably fell and hit his head during his scuffle with Martin. I came to this conclusion because the police report said he was bleeding from the back of the head, but he was merely treated at the scene by EMT's and wasn't transported to a hospital. To me, this said that he had a minor head injury, one that might be consistent with falling, and certainly not one created by having one's head bashed repeatedly against a sidewalk.

When the police video was released, I thought that maybe the blood on his head was Trayvon's (Zimmerman having touched his head after touching Trayvon's body), or that a police officer doctored the report (since it had been revised) to justify their decision to let Zimm go.

Now that it appears his head was bleeding, is there anything to suggest that my original theory isn't correct?

[The Midway Rebel]

88. Looks shopped.

How can gravity pull a fluid in two different directions?

[cr8tvlde]

89. This is the THIRD photo released by The Media

1 ... a kind of an X scar ... no swelling, no blood
2.... a hole in the same region ... some redness ... but a hole, nevertheless
3.... now we have this one...a straight line right across an obvious, shiny bald spot.

George has a full head of hair that is obvious even with a buzz cut. And his walk into the police station shows his head from every possible angle.

Third fake.

[slackmaster]

91. I love the way this thread has brought out a slew of experts

Experts on injuries, emergency medical procedures, image manipulation, etc.



(I'm eager to hear what actual experts have to say about it while under oath, in court.)

[uponit7771]

93. Yeap, liberals are diverse in intelligence too...kkkons? they voted for George Bush

[SpencerShay]

99. And...

I love how the anti-George Zimmerman threads, bring out the George Zimmerman apologists who automatically believed the white guy's story, despite any of the conflicting evidence.

[NoGOPZone]

105. tell me about it

there was even a post here a couple of weeks ago from someone who didn't know that in Florida a grand jury is required for indictment only in capital cases.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

100. Interesting picture.

The light source appears to be from above -- my first though was that someone was shining a flashlight from above and slightly to the left of his head. Looks like grass in the background. That is the jacket Zimmerman was wearing when he was brought into the station -- so his clothes were not changed. This has got to be an original police shot? Zimmerman was in handcuffs almost as soon as the police first arrived -- first responding officer took his weapon and cuffed him.

The blood streams -- also interesting. I did film/video make-up for many years and had to create bleeding head injuries for several shoots. I was surprised at how hard it was to create a realistic yet dramatic looking "bleed". The wound on the left clearly bled primarily while his head was bent forward, face towards the ground. The wound on the left looks like it was bleeding both when his head was bent forward and while he was standing upright. All the trailing shows he was moving around a lot while bleeding. Contusion forming by the injury on the right. The total amount of blood does not appear to be that great -- something in the lines of a healthy nose bleed. Looks like it was already coagulating by the time the picture was shot.

Interesting, yet still doesn't prove much of anything.

[Sheepshank]

106. Hmmmm...more recent pictures revel a tad more hair

[slackmaster]

112. Clearly proof of a massive conspiracy

[WhoIsNumberNone]

114. So what?

These pictures were taken months apart. He's probably had several haircuts in the meantime. It takes maybe a week to go from the bottom photo to the top one.

Your argument is invalid.

[Sheepshank]

120. Men can get rid of a bald spot *that* big in 45 days?

who's argument is invalid?

There is enough of Z's crown visible in the court pics to cast doubt on the identity of the person in the pic with the wound.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

121. Look at his mug shots

It's pretty clear on those that his hair is thinning on top. I have no trouble believing that this pic is the same person in the mug shots.

Either the light in the courtroom agrees with him, or he's been at the Rogaine in the intervening couple of months, but I think you'd be grasping at straws to try and claim that's not him.

Just to be clear, I make no claim that this exonerates him, or even mitigates anything. If anything I have my doubts about his story of how he got those injuries, but I do believe that's his head.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

111. OK- I'm forced to concede this picture may be genuine.

Because of some people arguing upthread about whether or not that's actually Zimmerman's head, I tracked down the police video from the night of the shooting:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475
(If somebody has one where the dumbass TV station hasn't put a lower third graphic right on top of the important part, please post)

My original purpose was to see if he's wearing the same jacket in the video as in this photo, (It does match) but as I watched the video I noticed something. At about :51 seconds the cop is clearly inspecting the back of Zimmerman's head.
If you freezeframe at 1:03 and again at 1:07 the light catches Zimmerman's head in such a way that marks consistent with this photograph are visible. (You have to look closely)

I'm not saying the photo in the OP hasn't been retouched, and I'm not necessarily buying Zimmerman's story of how those injuries got there, I'm just saying I don't think he's lying about his head being injured.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

116. I, too, think the new photo is authentic.

With that said, it doesn't really prove much one way or another, though I do fear it will give Defense enough just ammo to claim self-defense and win.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

117. I think it would be akin to the 'blame the victim' defense in a rape case-

-but considering the history of that, I think your fears are justified. Of course the question of who was actually defending himself is still up in the air. I tend to side with the one who was followed and then confronted by someone wielding a gun. Hopefully the jury will too.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

118. I am 100% of the mind this --

is solely Zimmerman's fault because he made the choice to follow/intervene. With that said, I used to work for a criminal defense attorney and I know first hand just how unjust our criminal justice and jury system can be.

[snagglepuss]

125. The odd thing for me is the lack of bandaids when he entered the police station.

I think we need to hear for the first responders who cleaned his wounds. I remember the witness who said she saw GZ grab his head after the shooting and hold his hands there and I've always wondered whether he was scratching himself. His scratching himself would explain superficial wounds which is what these appear to be.

[sabrina 1]

113. Too bad Trayvon did not knock him out totally, he'd be alive today.

I don't see why a few scratches on Zimmerman's head does anything but prove he was somewhere he was told not to be, following an innocent teenager and causing him to believe his life might be in danger. Trayvon had every right to try to defend himself. Sadly he failed to do that, and his fears of being killed turned out to be correct.

[Raine]

124. Doesn't appear to be much blood for a head injury. nt

[shimonitanegi]

126. So what

The initial police report clearly mentions that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of his head. If he wasn't, then it would be a huge police cover-up scandal.