Zimmerman - embedded digital info in photo shows it taken 3 minutes after shots recorded in 911 call

[True Earthling]

and the GPS information embedded in the photo shows it was taken at the scene of the crime. The photo was taken with an iPhone.

The next shoe to drop will be gunpowder tests on Trayvon's clothing. If there are burn marks and gunpowder residue, Zimmerman will walk IMO.

Go to the 1:30 mark on the video...

http://gma.yahoo.com/warning-graphic-photo-possible-evidence-shows-george-zimmermans-050145810--abc-news-topstories.html

[hobbit709]

1. I've seen pictures shot in Colorado where the GPS cordinates show it 500 miles in the Pacific

[True Earthling]

6. What are the chances that the photo was taken 500 miles away

an was lucky enough to pick the exact location of the crime?

Your logic is flawed.

[hobbit709]

15. What are the chances that the date and location stamp were gimmicked?

It's not that hard to do.
and that picture show a different color shirt, it doesn't really look like his head-no way of telling, etc. and where's the grass stains claimed earlier.
So far I've heard about 15 different stories and any half-assed investigator will tell you if the alibi changes every 5 minutes, somebody's lying.

[sabrina 1]

68. So what does this have to do with 'Zimmerman walking'? All it shows to me is that Trayvon

may have felt he was fighting for his life, and failed to save himself and that he was correct in his assessment that he was in mortal danger. Are you suggesting that when someone is being followed as he told his girlfriend, by a total stranger, who by then he may have realized was carrying a gun, (we do not know if Zimmerman let him know he had a gun, do we?) that person does not have a right to try to defend themselves?

Did Zimmerman eg, tell him that he was with Neighborhood watch and was just wondering if he had a reason to be there? Or did he, as it appears, seem to be threatening to Trayvon?

Charges have been filed after an investigation, I would think the Prosecutor had reasons to file those charges.

Too bad Trayvon only scratched Zimmerman, had he managed to totally disable him, which he had a right to do, he would be alive today.

[GoCubsGo]

2. So?

It can still be photoshopped without altering the time stamp and GPS information.

[Lizzie Poppet]

17. Occam's Razor

Yeah, it could be 'shopped...but that's not really the most likely explanation. There's no Photoshop-style app for the iPhone with enough sophistication to produce that shot, and reloading a 'shopped pic back onto the phone while still preserving the GPS and timestamp data would require a fairly sophisticated hack. Possible? Probably. The most likely explanation? Nope.

In any case, the photo doesn't exonerate Zimmerman. He's still responsible for the altercation. If he hadn't profiled and stalked Martin, and if he'd listened to the advice of the dispatcher, none of this would have happened. It was Zimmerman's actions that may have made Martin sufficiently afraid for his well-being (a completely justified fear, as it turned out) that he decided he had no choice but to fight.

[GoCubsGo]

24. I just find it interesting...

...that this photo pops up on the day of his bond hearing, and that it doesn't look like the rest of the surveillance photos. But, yes, I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph.

[bigapple]

28. ok

(1) firstly, he did not stalk Martin. Stalking is a repeated act. This was a once-off following.
(2) If Martin hit first would that make him the aggressor?
(3) If his head was being pounded into concrete, Zimmerman could be in reasonable fear of grievous harm. If he was under Martin, he could have no path to retreat. All these are elements of self-defense.

[Lizzie Poppet]

35. Point by point:

(1) firstly, he did not stalk Martin. Stalking is a repeated act. This was a once-off following.

The term "stalking" has multiple definitions. I was using the one associated with pursuing a quarry.

(2) If Martin hit first would that make him the aggressor?

In my estimation, probably not...but it depends very much on the exact circumstances of the confrontation. We don't have all of those details. But there are several plausible possibilities within which I think it would have been reasonable for Martin to have struck first.

(3) If his head was being pounded into concrete, Zimmerman could be in reasonable fear of grievous harm. If he was under Martin, he could have no path to retreat. All these are elements of self-defense.

I concur. In that circumstance, Zimmerman's resort to deadly force would have at least partially exculpatory justification. Not, IMO, enough to fully exonerate him, since the entire altercation was his doing, but possibly enough to downgrade the severity of the charge.

[bigapple]

3. thanks for the article

looks like there was an altercation after all.

[Blue_Tires]

8. But it doesn't mean Zimmerman is any victim in all of this...

Assuming of course this shit is even real

[bigapple]

16. it could mean

that Zimmerman's head was being pounded into concrete. Which could put him in fear of grievous harm.

[butterfly77]

23. Even if he did get his head..

pounded in the concrete he needed his ass kicked for stalking Trayvon he should have stayed in his truck,van or whatever it was.

An unarmed person was protecting himself against a gun wielding nut..

[bigapple]

30. ok

firstly he wasn't stalking Martin. He was following Martin.

Secondly I don't think you can hit someone for following you.

Thirdly there's no evidence that Zimmerman drew the gun until the altercation.

[butterfly77]

37. He was stalking..

but you can hit someone for attacking you which Zimmerman did he should have kept his ass in his truck. He attacked an unarmed person who was protecting himself.

The only evidence we are getting is the made up evidence by the police and the press who believe he is innocent no matter what and are doing their damndest to make it look like the person who was murdered was wrong to protect himself and stand his ground..

[bpj62]

43. Stalking

I made a promise to myself not to make anymore posts regarding this case, but your posts leave me no choice. As a prior poster said stalking takes on many definitions. It is in the public record that Zimmerman called 911 over 46 times to report suspicious people in the neighborhood, Anybody he didn't know he followed. Not a single call resulted in an arrest. Zimmerman was "stalking" young men in the neighborhood that he didn't know. On the night in question he was clearly agitated when he spoke to the 911 operator because he felt and this is Zimmerman's own words "they always get away', so he took matters into his own hands. My question is this why did he take his weapon with him when he exited the car and started to follow Martin. Martin was not a threat to Zimmerman at that time and he was not looking in peoples windows or walking on their lawns. He was on an established walkway that led to home of his father's girlfriend. I don't give a rats ass about the CWP that he had. Zimmerman went looking for a confrontation and he got one. Do you think for a moment that if Zimmerman did not have that 9mm in his possession that he would have confronted Martin, guns just like alcohol give some people a false sense of bravado. The bottom line is this an unarmed 17 year old boy was confronted by an armed 28 year old man and the unarmed boy is dead. Did you ever think for a moment that treyvon Martin was scared for his life and made a decision to defend himself but because he is dead we will never know his story. However we have apologists like you who are only concerned about upholding gun owner's rights and will do what ever they can to paint the victim as a horrible person who deserved to die.

[EOTE]

47. Your defense is absolutely pathetic!

Yes, he WAS stalking him. Are you really so daft as to not understand that some words have multiple definitions? You've been corrected on this multiple times and you still don't get it. He was stalking him and continued to do so after he was told not to. If he hadn't so aggressively pursued Martin, he'd still be alive today. But you've got to defend a gun nut's right to murder and be a racist asshole, don't you?

[frylock]

49. he was following martin like a lion follows a gazzelle

[Ohio Joe]

44. Of course there was an altercation...

A man armed with a gun, stalked and murdered a teenager as he begged for his life. If the teenager was able to defend himself a bit from the murderer before his life was taken, it changes nothing.

[Blue_Tires]

4. If this was real they would have run with it much earlier...

and who supposedly took this miracle picture?

[bigapple]

9. the article says

that the photographer has shown the photo to investigators.

I'm sure the photographer can be compelled to testify at Zimmerman's trial (if the charges don't get dismissed first).

[Blue_Tires]

12. Charges won't get dismissed on something that flimsy

try harder

[bigapple]

18. I think the state's evidence

of second degree murder is even more flimsy.

Is there any evidence at all to prove a depraved mind?

[anti-alec]

52. You're right. Second degree murder is flimsy

First degree murder is more solid.

That's what the state attorney should have charged Zimmerman in the first place.

Now, I don't think you'll be welcomed here in DU much longer, bigapple.

[warrior1]

5. this is a dup

[bigapple]

7. so are the many other threads on how Zimmerman is a cold-blooded murder

who shot a fleeing Martin in the back

[Blue_Tires]

10. We know at the minimum he shot an unarmed Martin who was doing nothing illegal

but thanks for playing

[Taitertots]

14. I'm pretty sure hitting people is illegal

You don't get to beat people up for annoying you, that is illegal.

[EFerrari]

19. Not in Florida.

[bigapple]

20. IF Zimmerman's head

was being pounded into concrete, Zimmerman could be in reasonable fear of grievous harm.

[maddezmom]

27. bullshit, he should have stayed in his truck

and waited for the police and he wouldn't have ever been in fear of harm.

[frylock]

50. those are scrapes..

if his head were being pounded, there would be lacerations.

[warrior1]

11. still a dup

[anti-alec]

53. Because evidence after evidence shows that Zimmerman is a cold-blooded murderer.

that shot a fleeing Martin in the back.

He should have been charged with first degree murder, facing the needle.

[dkf]

62. If there are gun powder residue that invalidates your theory.

[anti-alec]

63. On Trayvon's clothes?

Bet there is none, and George Zimmerman will face life. He may be free for a very short time, but he will face a long time in a 6x8 cell.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

71. And what are they?

I have seen what the mortician said, which was inconclusive. I have seen anything that has been released to confirm Martin being shot at a distance in the back or front for that matter.

A lawyer here on DU pointed out on one of these Zimmerman threads a while back that powder burns/residue was no longer considered prima facie, but it is an indicator.

[annabanana]

13. IRRELEVENT!!

If you had a gun held on YOU wouldn't you fight like hell?

How is this in anyway an excuse for Zimmerman's shooting that kid?

[bigapple]

21. let's see

What evidence is there that Zimmerman brandished (drew) the gun before the fight?

If Martin was on top pounding his head into concrete, Zimmerman could be in reasonable fear of grievous harm.

[annabanana]

34. What evidence is there that he DIDN'T?

Which is more likely?

[frylock]

51. what evidence is there that martin was POUNDING zimmernman's head into the ground?

you keep admonishing people about what they don't know. you don't know what the fuck happened either.

[anti-alec]

55. We're still waiting on the evidence from bigapple showing that Zimmerman has been harmed

I don't see any evidence at all, just Zimmerman and his cronies' words.

And you think Zimmerman's word is law?

[vaberella]

22. Why no picture of his nose? n/t

[True Earthling]

25. Another important piece... are there gunpowder and burn marks on Trayvon's clothing

If not then Zimmerman's version falls apart. If there are then Zimmerman will walk IMO.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

31. I would not be so sure, even with front side powder burns

The burden is reasonable fear of GBI or death. Not yet clear how he is going to meet that burden.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

26. Have to wonder what else both sides are sitting on...

While the provenance of the original picture can be verified forensically, who knows if what ABC has was modified or not.

[leftynyc]

46. Exactly - there's a reason

a seasoned prosecutor went for 2nd degree murder. I'm guessing he shot Mr. Martin from much further away than he's saying and the prosecution has the evidence of that in their hands from the autopsy.

[treestar]

29. Has to be authenticated

Who took it, where was it up until now, is it of Zimmerman and if so, why does that give Zimmerman the right to shoot Trayvon dead? It doesn't prove Trayvon did it, either.

[bluedigger]

32. Doesn't make sense to me.

A previously unknown third party arrived at the scene without witnessing the altercation, but had the ability to evaluate the situation and take a photo of Zimmermann within three minutes of the shooting? That's one cool and calm individual... They must have reacted instinctively... Where are the rest of the photos of the crime scene? They just took the one photo?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

72. Or the apparent discrepancy with the CCTV video from the cop shop

Both sides appear to be sitting on a lot of data.

[Lawlbringer]

33. Maybe he shot him, realized he was on the phone and panicked

bashed his own head on the pavement to make it seem like there was a fight.

[butterfly77]

38. Maybe..

the police showed up and knew who he was and knew who his daddy was so they helped him to make up his story and helped with false evidence.

[Lawlbringer]

42. Within 3 minutes?

Unless they were already there, there's no way the police arrived within 15 minutes. I can't even get out of my house, into my car, and down the block in 3 mins lol

[cottage10]

36. So you are saying that Martin shot himself?

"The next shoe to drop will be gunpowder tests on Trayvon's clothing. If there are burn marks and gunpowder residue, Zimmerman will walk IMO. "

Try again Sherlock. And the SYG law works both ways--I'd feel threatened if someone was following me. Believe me, I'd be using everything around me--fists, objects etc to get that person to back off. And lastly, head wounds are known to bleed profusely even for a little wound. The telling thing is that Zimmerman was not taken to the hospital. IF it was a serious beating, xrays should have been taken to make sure there was no internal bleeding of the brain.

[vaberella]

59. Yeah...the idea is to sell the shooting as an accident.

Meaning that Trayvon saw and reached for Zimmerman's gun and there was a struggle for the gun at which point Trayvon shot himself. Remember the dad and brother said that Trayvon was reaching for the gun.

[LanternWaste]

39. I simply glad this going through the appropriate judicial process.

I simply glad this going through the appropriate judicial process. Whether he walks or gets sentenced is not my concern; that he would walk with no appropriate investigation done was my only worry, and now that the process of judicial review has begun, and with so many eyes following the case, I'm confident in the eventual verdict, regardless of what it may or may not be.

[uponit7771]

40. *****THERE'S NO BLOOD ON THE BACK OF THE T SHIRT*******

..and supposedly it was raining that night?

Somethings not right no?

TIA

[ecstatic]

41. Is it OK to be killed while walking home?

That's the question.

[GeorgeGist]

45. how convenient and surprise, surprise ...

[s]Disney[/s] exclusive again.

[fascisthunter]

54. hey look everyone... this is the type to defend a Murderer... a racist to boot

anyone else surprised. hey mods... leave it up as a prime example that this issue is deeply racist at its roots, and look who defends Zimmy the coward.

[countingbluecars]

56. You are too kind to yourself

with your name.

[BeHereNow]

57. MUST you live in this country, you ignorant racist?

Please, find an island with like minded hate mongers,
and kill each other off ASAP, while the rest of us work on
building a world of equality, equity and peace for all.

BHN

[bemildred]

58. ^^^^ Now THAT is efficient delivery of a pizza.

[NoodleyAppendage]

60. Good news for Zimmerman's case. Facts should prevail.

I'm seen waaaayyy too many posts today reflexive for DENIAL. If the facts support Zimmerman's case and claims, then that's what we as LOGICAL and SCIENTIFIC MINDED people should accept. Let Justice play out.

J

[fascisthunter]

61. Um... he murdered an unarmed kid

WTF are you talking... logical my ass.

[Skip Intro]

64. That would mean some people would have to admit they were wrong

in rushing to judgment. I don't see that happening.

I agree with you that facts should prevail.

[slackmaster]

65. It doesn't mean anything for Z's case unless and until it gets vetted and accepted into evidence...

...by a court of law.

[X_Digger]

66. Personally, I'd expect the EMT's to document any injuries, and that'd be more reliable.

It's not likely we'll see those reports outside of court transcripts, though, thanks to HIPPA. (which is a good thing)

[ProgressiveProfessor]

69. The current state attorney is sitting on just about everything of value

It makes some legal and tactical sense, but it will all be public at some point.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

70. I agree that facts should prevail

but they also need to be made available...and the State Attorney has no interest in that.

[TrogL]

67. My iPhone thinks my office is in the middle of a lake

[Junkdrawer]

73. Google "change image timestamp"

Not hard.