If Zimmerman was injured then it was self-defense by Trayvon Martin
I mean didn't Trayvon deserve the right to defend himself? Or was he just suppose to stand there and let this guy shoot him.
Just saying
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I'm not a lawyer and didn't stay in a holiday in express last night 
I just remembered that case... I thought the guy was a fool... It wasn't his money... no way I am putting my life on the line for a banks money...
Trayvon Martin may well have initiated the physical part of the conflict, but if so, that still doesn't exonerate Zimmerman. None of this would have happened if Zimmerman hadn't ignored the dispatcher's advice ("OK, we don't need you to do that."
. I think there's a good possibility that Zimmerman's approach to Martin was not exactly friendly and reassuring, given the former's words and tone of voice on the call to 911. If someone's been following you around, then gets out of their car to approach you, you're going to be wary and your "fight or flight" instincts are going to be working overtime.
I'm surprised you didn't use "fleet-footed"
that if you come across a random man, he is more likely to be Republican than Democrat (whereas it is close to even for women)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120839/women-likely-democrats-regardless-age.aspx
So is that data a sexist stereotype? Yep. It is also data.
THAT THEY ARE PRETTY FAST RUNNERS"????!! So, you're not going to stereotypes then use one of the most common stereotypes? Are we super human? You're saying that the fact not because was he young but he had that added cachet of being BLACK is why he should have gotten away? Wow!!
Guess what? I know lots of black folks that CAN'T DANCE, SING;DON'T DRINK MALT LIQUOR, SELL DRUGS, HAVE ELEVENTY THOUSAND CHILDREN OUT OF WEDLOCK AND HAVE NEVER COLLECTED ONE THIN DIME OF WELFARE: who have NEVER STOLEN ANYTHING OR BROKEN INTO ANYONE'S HOME, EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT; THAT DO NOT EAT CHICKEN OR WATERMELON; WHO AREN'T ATHLETIC AT ALL! We are HUMAN BEINGS who are as variable in our likes, dislikes, abilities and disabilities as anyone else. WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS JUST.LIKE.YOU! DAMN!
That boy was murdered but someone DETERMINED to appear to be a hero by getting revenge against anyone who resembled the people and trying to twist yourself into unimaginable shapes isn't going to change that fact. Nothing would have saved his life outside of stumbling onto a hair trigger assault rifle before zimmy could murder him. That's not a stereotype but a soon to be established fact!
WOW I never thought I would read something like this on DU from someone other than a troll. 
And most people I know eat chicken and watermelon.
Trayvon was said to have played football, so I don't get where assuming a young athletic male is pretty fast is a huge deal.
And one of the most common stereotypes? Maybe because of this http://trackandfield.about.com/od/sprintsandhurdles/tp/Top-American-Olympic-Sprinters.01.htm
Twenty top sprinters and maybe one white person. (I am not sure of the race of Lolo Jones (okay, a bit of a mix "Jones, who is of French, African-American, Native American and Norwegian descent,"
But maybe now the shoe is on the other foot, as in a couple weeks ago I was arguing against white privilege by saying that just because some white people are rich does not mean that all white people are so privileged. In a similar way, just because some black people are fast, does not mean that all are.
Touche'
But even if Trayvon was as slow as me, or slower, with a two minute head start he could cross a quarter of a mile. And even if a very fast runner spotted him a quarter mile away and took off after him, it would take that person a minute to cross that quarter mile at which point Trayvon has run another 1/8 mile which takes another 30 seconds to close. Well, unltimately Trayvon gets half a mile down the road before he gets caught. Which seems to be about the distance between Zimmerman's car and Trayvon's house, or more.
Even if he was a mediocre runner, which I find dubious, it seems to me evident that he did not run.
PEOPLE! Secondly, You know damn well what I meant about the list of fucked up stereotypes that are painted onto black people each and every day. What you were arguing a couple of weeks ago has nothing to do with what you are trying to do today because a) you weren't arguing with me and b) it only has a tangential connection to this case, at best.
BTW, white privilege DOES NOT mean that all white are wealthy and you SHOULD know that! Then, just as now, you were arguing completely erroneous points.
WHITE PRIVILEGE : a way of conceptualizing racial inequalities that focuses as much on the advantages that white people accrue from society as on the disadvantages that people of color experience. White privilege may be defined as the "unearned advantages of being White in a racially stratified society", and has been characterized as an expression of institutional power that is largely unacknowledged by most White individuals.
Most such theories focus on American and European societal condition, since inequality between whites and non-whites is a long-standing feature of these academic areas. White privilege differs from conditions of overt racism or prejudice, in which a dominant group actively seeks to oppress or suppress other racial groups for its own advantage.
Instead, theories of white privilege suggest that whites view their social, cultural, and economic experiences as a norm that everyone should experience, rather than as an advantaged position that must be maintained at the expense of others. This normative assumption implicitly constrains discussions of racial inequality within the dominant discourse: such explanations are limited to factors specific to disadvantaged racial groups - who are viewed as having failed to achieve the norm - and solutions focus on what can be done to help those groups achieve the 'normal' standards experienced by whites.
The general claim of theories of white privilege is that racial inequity cannot be resolved solely by looking at the life conditions of disadvantaged groups. They suggest that solutions to problems of racial inequality can only be achieved by explicitly discussing the implicit advantages that whites as a group hold in society.(THANKS WIKIPAEDIA 
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White Privilege is based on BUILT IN ADVANTAGES that whites DO NOT HAVE TO EARN and are availed to them by SIMPLY.BEING.BORN.WHITE, not the amount of tangible wealth they may or may not have. See? There, I fixed it for you.
Now that that's been CORRECTLY defined for you, the fact that you are assuming that based on the word of someone who has demonstrated over and over that he will lie to save his own ass is giving the impression that you might have a problem with black folks too. The very fact that you are essentially blaming him for his own MURDER, (and please don't forget that this was a 17 YEAR OLD BOY, STILL LEGALLY A MINOR!), by saying that he "HAD" to start the altercation, thereby provoking and by your TWISTED "rationale", deserving that 9mm hollow point he caught in the chest.
Why can't you understand that he had EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE, that he was just walking home from a run to the store to get some sweets and a soft drink? For some reason, people are not taking something into consideration and that is this: Not just anyone can freely walk into a gated community. There's usually some sort of card key or code that has to be entered into a key pad to get into the development. Do you honestly think that he hopped what are probably 8 foot wrought iron gates? Really? Well, I guess if you have the stereotypical view that black folks are different than everyone else, you would assume he would do just that. He HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE AND HAD NO DUTY TO ANSWER A BLOODY THING THAT ZIMMY ASKED HIM!! Besides, no matter what he claimed or the HOA told the residents, he was NOT the captain of the NW because THERE WAS NEVER A ONE REGISTERED AT THE DEVELOPMENT! Neighborhood Watch REQUIRES registration and EXPRESSLY forbids confrontation and definitely tells their members that they aren't supposed to carry so much as a flashlight, let alone BLOODY 9MM! The National head of N.W has gone on the record in print and Television to make this completely clear!
Why are you so ignoring that zimmy was breathing harshly because HE WAS RUNNING to catch up with Trayvon and in spite of what he's now claiming, even following the directive NOT TO FOLLOW TRAYVON, that harsh breathing can still be heard and that breath rate was UNCHANGED? Why was it incumbent upon Trayvon to run away from the maniac cop wished-he-was who was bound and determined to murder him? Zimmy should have stayed his sorry ass in his vehicle...PERIOD. He claims that he was the captain of the Neghborhood Watch, (I've already debunked this collosal lie) and as such, he was supposed to be fucking watching, damn it!!
But according to you and all the other internet posters who give off the stench of racism, it makes perfect sense that this now dead boy is in that state and it's obvious to you because among other things, being black means that he's "NATURALLY" fast. You go so far as to try to come up with pseudo-scientific equations to try to explain a completely irrelevant argument to what happened Sunday, February 26 2012. What you're ATTEMPTING to do is the same as saying that the length of a rape victims skirt, the color of lipstick and nails, the height of her heels and the depth of her neckline is proof that she really is responsible for her own violation because she should have dressed differently if she didn't want to be raped. THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING!
You're compounding this insult to this boy who's been shot and will NEVER get up by basing your premise on the fact that somehow because black people are faster sprinters and more athletically gifted on average than other people, (red,white, yellow and white),that it proves your point. REALLY? You honestly can't see how racist this is on it's face? Adolph Hitler also accused Jesse Owens of being less than a human being and closer to the beasts because he WHIPPED the best they had in track and field. How is what you're saying any different? Don't you see the similarities?
I guess because you're unable to see black people as people, you're also not taking into consideration the fact that Trayvon was 17 YEAR OLD BOY and he did something that most people would recognise as something young men tend to do. Trayvon told his girlfriend, who was PLEADING WITH HIM TO RUN, that he WASN'T GOING TO RUN but WALK FAST! Young male teens and men in general are into posing, showing their bravery, especially when it comes to impressing the ladies, which is EXACTLY what he was doing immediately preceding his murder.
However, since you insist that he should have outrun zimmy, let's explore this more in depth, shall we? Try to keep up.
Now, if Trayvon went to confront zimmy the giggling sociopath at his truck, as zimmy claimed, how did he end up on top of Tray's dead body on the grass between AND BEHIND the homes and the walkway? The Murderer zimmy was seen straddling Trayvon's dead body by at least 4 witnesses. Did Trayvon DRAG him there? I'll bet you all tea in China that he didn't and you know it. By his poor girlfriend's own testimony, she BEGGED him to run but he refused. Why was she begging him to run? BECAUSE TRAY WAS TELLING HER THAT SOME STRANGE MAN WAS FOLLOWING HIM AND HE DIDN'T KNOW WHY!
The next thing SHE HEARS TRAYVON ASKING "SOMEONE" TO TELL HIM WHY THEY WERE FOLLOWING HIM. This is quickly followed by the sounds of shoving and the sounds of the earpiece falling to the ground, which then goes dead. She tried to call him back but had to leave a voice mail. she didn't know what had happened until a day or so later when someone informed her of the tragedy,(and before you try to claim hearsay, DATE AND TIME STAMPED PHONE RECORDS CONFIRM HER STORY). IN actuality, TRAY WAS THE ONE STANDING HIS GROUND and if zimmy got his ass whipped while he was doing it, that's too bad. I have more than a little suspicion that he pulled that gun when he saw that he wasn't going to win without it.
You can postulate, scream and holler until you're blue with white polka dots in the face BUT nothing changes the facts I have laid at the feet of your creepily racist hypothesis. I can truly say that I am NOT racist so I don't understand your mindset. A young human being was MURDERED by another, albeit clearly DISTURBED human being, (barely, though it may be). The thing that placed that bullseye on Tray's chest or back was the color of his skin and the wooly texture of his kinky curly hair and I believe you know it.
Nothing else explains your determination to place the onus on the one who had no weapon, no fault and now, NO FUTURE. I will not assume anything about you other than this: if you're white,, you have proven the existence and power white privilege that alot of caucasians take for granted, because you're assuming Trayvon should have had the same outcome that you would, (if you were a hell of alot luckier that Tray) if you had found yourself in his shoes on that fateful sunday evening. Of course, I have to add in that little thing about how black folks are faster than other human beings, ( based on your anecdotal evidence of working at a gym and dance hall ) and VOILA! You would have awakened the next morning in your dad's townhome completely unharmed and happy.
Of course, there would have been unicorns and faeries running through the house too. Think about what you're saying because it's NOT funny nor witty to anyone else except other bigots.
talking about? My husband is a gun owner and I have NEVER felt the the need to attack him.
isn't it?
Nice use of the "lynch" word, too. 
You're something else. Not even subtle.
that seems to be the gist of the argument. because you are black, you should accept racist projections about who you are, and answer questions about your right to walk down a street because some racist asshole thinks you are suspicious. 
