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It actually happened......
Ink Man
(171 posts)Thanks for posting it.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It was the officers' and state's worries that such fraternization might - gasp! - cause a breakout of peace, and drive these young men into thinking that risking their lives to kill each other for three inches of mud and a flag might not be worth it.
1914's Christmas Truce, and its end tells us two things - the people do not want to fight, and that the leaders absolutely want us to.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)malthaussen
(17,217 posts)... "A rational army would run away."
-- Mal
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)irisblue
(33,035 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)It is a universal message of love and peace for humankind. Were it only that people could live this approximately 365.25 days a year.
Brought some tears to my eyes.
Did this really happen?
One would hope so.
If only it would happen all over the world, all at once.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)There were in fact many such unofficial truces between the trenches. Not quite to the degree of the British / German christmas truce depicted here, but plenty of them just the same.
And in each case, it was the drive of officers and governments to keep the war going that ended them, rather than the desires of the men doing the fighting.
Maybe that's one of the reasons World War One has sort of faded away from the collective memory - it was a "bad war" by any rubric, fought mostly over ego and the right to oppress third party colonies, fought in hellish conditions by men who were almost universally conscripts charging forward at threat of execution if they didn't.
It wasn't just the scale of the war that led people to believe it had 'ended wars' - it was that World War One managed to lay bare and obvious every single flaw, lie, and wrong of war, for the entire world to see, telegraphed globally even to those who were not fighting. even at the end, there was nothing but loss, and a treaty that would doom the world to an even greater outbreak of slaughter and violence; not just World War Two, but nearly every conflict between 1917 and today can be traced straight back to the outcomes of World War one.
longship
(40,416 posts)(So to speak.)
Happy Thanksgiving to you.
longship
(40,416 posts)If somebody can post a link, that would complete this.
Thanks.
On edit: I see that there is a second video link explaining the first video.
Thank you.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)The best to you and yours.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)OMFG!
What are you about here?
Click through both video links. And recognize that both sides were likely Christians of similar sorts.
Now, as a lifelong atheist, I would not hold up Christianity as an ethical standard. However, I would hold up a cultural meme as being a framework with which to form peace, albeit temporary. But why not permanently?
Religion does not need to enter into the equation.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)the men in charge of war were furious that the common soldiers stopped fighting for a bit.
If the ones who promote war were required to go fight themselves, we'd have fewer wars. Oh, we'd still have some, because there are those out there crazy enough to want to fight, but if (name your favorite war enthusiast here) went into battle, how different it would be.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)For a moment, the troops forgot all the propaganda, and realized they and the "enemy" were just humans.
smilodon populator
(59 posts)<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/sJi41RWaTCs?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
smilodon populator
(59 posts)It didn't embed. Could someone who follows that link please embed it in a reply?
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)The Europeans were all one family. Their ruling families were all cousins -- and the war was essentially a family squabble. That was one reason it was so hard to keep the soldiers from declaring unofficial truces.
Making peace with people who look different from you and don't play the same ball games is a lot harder. But that's the problem we really need to be working on.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Response to Historic NY (Original post)
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chowder66
(9,084 posts)appalachiablue
(41,177 posts)coffee and conversation, between Billy Yank and Johnny Reb. As a little girl my mother saw the old soldiers of both the North and South at affairs in Phila. and Richmond in the 1920s. During WWII my father was a 1st Lieut. 7th Army in Germany, the Rhineland Campaign and at Dachau Liberation. Said he was fond of Fritz his German jeep driver during the Occupation. I was in southern Germany, Bavaria when young in the '70s, where he was but didn't realize it. I have learned much more about that war, the use of former Nazis in German govt. during '50s, '60s, '70s, and by the US for intel and science after the war. I think very differently about Germans and Germany now than as a naïve teenager.