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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMilitarized police forces are not acceptable in the United States of America.
What we need is for the militarization programs to be ended.
We need a public, national database on police violence toward citizens.
And we need relentless attention from the DOJ to cases of police violence until this garbage stops.
But we are already receiving relentless messaging that we have no right to expect or demand actual reversal of the militarization. Cameras on the militarized police are all we are going to be offered, and we will be expected to cheer in delight at this concession by our corporate masters.
The militarization of our police is federally driven, bipartisan, and as much a part of the growing police state as the mass surveillance, prison industrial complex, and assaults on journalism, other political protesters, and whistleblowers.
What is being offered is not a first step to anything. Cameras are the sum total of what our corporate politicians will offer as a solution to Ferguson. Never mind that this administration has vastly expanded the obscene militarization of our police forces and can also reverse it. Never mind that that obscene militarization continues, to the point that we now regularly see photos in our newspapers that look like something out of Afghanistan. We are to cheer for cameras, because actually REVERSING a vicious, malignant policy would be asking too much...The Obama administration's escalation of police militarization
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html
It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.
The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.
The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter" , its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.
Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.What we need is for the militarization programs to be ended.
We need a public, national database on police violence toward citizens.
And we need relentless attention from the DOJ to cases of police violence until this garbage stops.
But we are expected to cheer, because now there may be cameras on the officers in our militarized police state. We are to accept that the militarization itself is an acceptable "new normal."
This is textbook MO of our new corporate-ruled government. Implement unconscionable new authoritarian policy...then make some small concession that preserves the bulk of the new abuses, and seek adulation for that. You will know the corporate Third Way by their absolute refusal to entertain the possibility that the abuses should actually be reversed. You will know them by the incessant, malignant propaganda messaging that teaches us always to accept the "new normal," no matter how unconscionable it may be.
Militarized police, prison industrial complexes, impoverished communities, mass surveillance....They are all part of the new normal being constructed around us.
We have to insist on reversal of the militarization itself. Our corporate government will never yield more than we demand.
We must not accept our militarized police forces as an acceptable "new normal" in the United States of America. Corporatists have no right to do this to us and to our country.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/what-weapons-are-police-using-in-ferguson/2014/08/14/4acf0920-23e0-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_video.html
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I'm genuinely curious.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)can be an asset. And cash-strapped cities get it FREE!
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)Better safe than sorry. And the price is right.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)rather than because they need it.
http://www.free-times.com/news/report-says-police-overuse-military-tactics-equipment-062514
It would be hard to eschew using it needlessly when it's right there at their disposal.
If the military has too much equipment, it seems that the solution would be to procure less of it in the first place.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)Why assume it would be misused?
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)though even if they do, conventional means have been sufficient in the past (my college town had a mass shooter 20 years ago, and they dealt with the situation without any urban assault vehicles).
...and the report in my link above describes how it already has been misused.
Why assume it won't be misused?
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)There are recent cases where the police have been out-gunned, and it won't get any better. Who don't you trust, the police or the military?
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Join the military. We don't want or need it on our streets.
H. Cromwell
(151 posts)a bank robbery done by 3 0r 4 men, I do not remember the place.. They were in full body armor armed with high powered weapons that put the LEOs at a deadly disadvantage. It was a some what of a stand off until LEOS arrived with suitable weapons to deal with
the issue. Over kill is only overkill up until you actually Need the overkill.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Locals, State, Feds.
But when it comes to unarmed protesters or looting rioters, they go all out.
Maybe more people SHOULD be armed to the teeth.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)our fucking streets against our own population?
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)So are terrorist sleeper cells. It's better to have more than we need, rather than less.
kentuck
(111,094 posts)If the problem is too big for the local police.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)And you don't think there will be a time lag?
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Cops outgunned!!! Terrorist sleeper cells!!! Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!!!
Turn off the "World of Warfare," turn off Alex Jones, go outside and smell the roses.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Hyperbole is the chief weapon of the GOP in their use of tactical fear to control us.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)You watch too many bad movies and authoritarian propaganda TV serials, it would seem.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)You're spouting the GOP fear tactics that got us the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Good god.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)We have a significant chunk that are worse than Reagan era Republicans and a seemingly growing number that are just as fucked in the head than the bushbots.
SHRINK THE DAMN TENT, IT IS BEING TURNED INTO A ASYLUM!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)What a sick, corrupt, fascist nation we live in now.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)you have outlined fear emitting from every one of your pores I hope you are not part of a police force.
djean111
(14,255 posts)The police now use the worst they have against protesters.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The entire Democratic leadership opposed Grayson amendment to stop arming cops with DOD weapons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390424
The murder of Michael Brown in Ferguson was horrific. It was also just one of countless other vicious murders and acts of brutality now coming out of American police forces that have been restructured and armed like military forces against America's own citizens. We have an opportunity here to push for reversal of the malignant policies that have constructed a police state within our own nation.
You will know the corporate Third Way by their relentless steering of the conversation away from demanding actual reversal of these policies. You will know them by their circling of wagons around the corporate politicians who sustain the policies, their rejection of demands for reversal of the policies, and their attacks on those who suggest that militarized police in the USA should not be accepted as part of our "new normal."
99Forever
(14,524 posts)kentuck
(111,094 posts)In my humble opinion. What the fuck are people thinking????
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)kentuck
(111,094 posts)We may as well have the Marines come in and police our streets. What's the difference??
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)the familiar corporate PR machine built across the internet now as well as the MSM,
for message control, message diversion, and to convince Americans that others around them have no problem with the militarization.
There's a reason that corporate voices on message boards across the internet *always* work to keep the conversation emotional and as far away as possible from policies and solutions that politicians might actually be able to implement. They avoid any discussion of the actual corporate policies that create these exploitative communities, terrorizing police forces, and suppression of dissent. And they avoid any suggestion whatsoever that this obscene transformation of our local police into militarized combat forces assaulting America's own citizens could or should be reversed.
They need the new normal of armored vehicles and storm troopers to be seen as a given. It's a violently cynical charade, this simultaneous claiming to care about victims of police violence, while defending the corporate policies and politicians who assemble the police state.
Propaganda, like surveillance, is part of our daily lives now:
The US government's online campaigns of disinformation, manipulation, and smear.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024560097
Obama taps "cognitive infiltrator" Cass Sunstein for Committee to create "trust" in NSA:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023512796
Salon: Obama confidants spine-chilling proposal: Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively infiltrate" anti-government groups
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/
Snowden: Training Guide for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-nsa-agents-infiltrating-and-disrupting-alternative-media-online/
The influx of corporate propaganda-spouting posters is blatant and unnatural.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3189367
U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News To Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023262111
The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801
The government figured out sockpuppet management but not "persona management."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023358242
The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4159454
Seventeen techniques for truth suppression.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4249741
Just do some Googling on astroturfing - big organizations have some sophisticated tools.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1208351
None of this is behavior that anyone should have to associate with the United States of America. These are the tactics of totalitarian states.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)Lots of beliefs go into being a Democrat. Economics is the most important.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)dissentient
(861 posts)brandished by police on every street corner. Obvious visions of fascism and police states come to mind. This is not something any freedom loving person should want. I believe this kind of thing is popular in horrible oppressive regimes such as North Korea, and of course, the historical Nazi Germany. Not an example we should be trying to emulate, to say the least. The symbolism sucks.
JEB
(4,748 posts)the obscenely wealthy. Everyone else is a suspect. Especially if your skin tone is less than lily white.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)supporting money for cops. Nope won't support their asses or their families with any of my votes again until something is done about blatant racism in their ranks across this country. There hasn't been any national issues locally that I am aware of, but I'm not supporting the cops locally either, not with their pay issues or their retirement, or their families who are left behind should something happen to them. Not until the crap changes.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Constitution to attack the MONEY that has made it all possible.
BOYCOTTS of Major Corporations, Don't buy their Stuff, Starve the Beast!
At the same time kick out all those who are Corporate Financed and join all the Liberal Organizations already in existence in finding and supporting Representatives of the People.
Using every means available, make Money in Politics POISONOUS to candidates. Make it the primary issue in every campaign.
I wonder if it's possible for the American People to file a Class Action Suit against the US Government for the harm they have done to the people of this country by handing over the people's power to corrupt Corporations?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Using every means available, make Money in Politics POISONOUS to candidates. Make it the primary issue in every campaign.
Thank you.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...you are both right and wrong. Right in your assessment of the situation and demands for it to cease. But wrong if you think complaining/protesting about it will change anything.
That would require a level of unparalleled solidarity across a myriad of political affiliations and countless other divisions that TPTB have worked so hard to establish and maintain.
The driving force behind all this are moneyed 1%ers. They have done so in order to protect ''their wealth and assets'' from us. And as this Ponzi game falters, the militarized-police will be all that separates us from them.
- Which is why they're arming them now. It's close......
K&R
Scuba
(53,475 posts)marlakay
(11,465 posts)Then wrote about it in local paper on FB. I and a few people said thank you we don't need this in our small safe rural area, but of course most of the comments from the conservative people around here treated me and those who said similar like we hated the police.
I wrote back and said I have always respected the police but we have no need to become the military.
Military is becoming a god in this country.
I think the slow run up to being totally a military run country is happening and we aren't awake enough on this.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Thanks for keeping it real, Woo Me.
K&R
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Spent a half-hour today in a service station waiting room, with CNN turned up to uncomfortable levels.
What complete schlock, drivel, diversion, and ham-handed emotional propaganda.
Nobody in the MSM is talking about what is really being done to this country.
It *is* enough to make you weep...and very, very angry.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and are, in fact, a central part of their plan. And their voices are the only ones that count anymore. Every fascist state in history has had a vicious and unaccountable police force.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I can't tell you how much I appreciate the fearless, accurate use of the word "fascists."
"Moderates" and "centrists," my ass. We live in a deeply disturbing propaganda state.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)Grenade launchers along with the rest of the military equipment does not belong on the streets of America.