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ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:41 PM Dec 2014

England abolished grand juries decades ago because they didn't work

The concept comes from our colonial parent, England. "It goes back centuries here," explains London-based legal writer Joshua Rozenberg. "In medieval times, it was drawn from the local neighborhood. And these were men who were expected to look around and report criminal behavior within the community. They're people who actually knew the offenders, as we'd call them today, and could perhaps bring them to justice."

By the 16th century, that morphed into the system we'd now recognize as a grand jury: A group of people listening to a prosecutor's evidence and deciding whether to indict.

But the United Kingdom actually abolished its grand jury system in 1933. "We now send cases that are serious enough straight to jury trial," Rozenberg says. That way, both sides are able to present evidence and make their arguments, which is definitely not the case with a grand jury.

In fact, the UK exported grand juries to most of their former colonies — Canada, Australia, New Zealand — and virtually all of them have stopped using them.

"They are said to be 'putty in the hands of the prosecutor.' In other words, the prosecutor really tells them what he or she wants and they will go along with it," he says. "Or that's what we are told, because we don't really know. We can't watch grand juries at work."

That's why former New York judge Sol Wachtler once famously said that a district attorney could get a grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich." But, Rozenberg points out, "it must be even easier to get the sandwich acquitted if that is what the district attorney may actually want."
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England abolished grand juries decades ago because they didn't work (Original Post) ErikJ Dec 2014 OP
Except that in NYC the prosecutor wanted an indictment. former9thward Dec 2014 #1
A lot of countries have looked at our whole legal system and said "No, thanks" nt nichomachus Dec 2014 #2
Yes, North Korea for one. former9thward Dec 2014 #4
Most of Europe, actually, but your unwarranted snark is noted. nichomachus Dec 2014 #5
And that really worked out for them... former9thward Dec 2014 #7
Saudi Arabia is another Renew Deal Dec 2014 #6
They system is working how it was designed to work, Kalidurga Dec 2014 #3

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
1. Except that in NYC the prosecutor wanted an indictment.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:48 PM
Dec 2014

That is why he immunized the other officers. He wanted their testimony.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
5. Most of Europe, actually, but your unwarranted snark is noted.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 09:33 PM
Dec 2014

They came late to the democratic form of government, studied our system, and decided to do something else.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. They system is working how it was designed to work,
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:56 PM
Dec 2014

therefore we can't say it is broken. It is rotten.

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