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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:44 AM Dec 2014

"One of Clinton’s biggest strengths [is] her passion for..."

"One of Clinton’s biggest strengths [is] her passion for advancing the middle class and renewing American upward mobility"
-- Correct the Record, a group dedicated to defending Hillary Clinton from unfair attacks

If only Hillary had political power the last two decades, the 99% wouldn't have had all our money handed to the bankers.

(Sorry, saw the quote and couldn't resist.)

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"One of Clinton’s biggest strengths [is] her passion for..." (Original Post) MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 OP
Political power for two decades?....... pkdu Dec 2014 #1
Decent article, but the last paragraph falls short. joshcryer Dec 2014 #2
Her constant siding with Republicans, constant betrayal of other Democrats True Blue Door Dec 2014 #3
Link? joshcryer Dec 2014 #5
... RiverLover Dec 2014 #10
"You want me to apologize for the fact that the president is an idiot?" joshcryer Dec 2014 #12
What? RiverLover Dec 2014 #13
Her stance is that she shouldn't apologize for Bush. joshcryer Dec 2014 #15
Thanks. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #24
So you like Warren who WAS a Republican for 25 or 30 years, casting right wing, bigoted votes Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #18
Another +1000 JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #26
Why yes, yes I do. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #36
1. Whose votes resulted in more mayhem: Hillary's, or Warren's? MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #45
I have seen no evidence for this.[n/t] Maedhros Dec 2014 #4
It is going to be a looooong campaign season. djean111 Dec 2014 #6
You DO know that the only people using the term "inevitable" are the anti-Hillary folks, right? brooklynite Dec 2014 #11
I do not like pointing, but I have seen it expressed that why waste money on primaries djean111 Dec 2014 #14
Then is should be easy for you to provide citations. brooklynite Dec 2014 #19
McCaskill wants that, but it's silly. joshcryer Dec 2014 #32
I see an ASSERTION (without evidence) that McCaskill doesn't want a primary... brooklynite Dec 2014 #38
Care you read the link again? joshcryer Dec 2014 #41
That is absolutely absurd. joshcryer Dec 2014 #31
Perhaps you'd like to tell us Union Scribe Dec 2014 #17
bwahahaha! I know what you did there. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #22
As a matter of fact, he was discussing that issue with Gloria Vanderbilt QC Dec 2014 #37
Or was it Marie Antoinette ? She of the let them eat cake? I had no idea that Anderson's Autumn Dec 2014 #40
Sometimes it sounds like lots of Social Register types are posting here, QC Dec 2014 #43
+10000 JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #25
Chuck Schumer. MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #44
Clinton already backing Ferguson, NYC... joshcryer Dec 2014 #28
Laughable.. sendero Dec 2014 #7
So a bunch of yahoos, running under the name... 99Forever Dec 2014 #8
Why Wall Street Loves Hillary RiverLover Dec 2014 #9
Which is why Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary's candidacy. baldguy Dec 2014 #16
And that is why I don't care for either of them. Liz was a Republican and is way too socially righty Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #21
Not socially right IN THE LEAST today. Unlike Hillary. Reagan began as a Democrat & we know how RiverLover Dec 2014 #29
I don't know how many times I have to post this to you. She REFUSES to endorse Hillary. RiverLover Dec 2014 #27
Elizabeth Warren: I hope Hillary Clinton runs for president baldguy Dec 2014 #33
Not endorsing! Why do you think Stephanopolous tried so hard to get her to say it. RiverLover Dec 2014 #34
And that means, 'what' exactly? Did you think that Liberals are going to blindly continue to sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #46
The primary season is going to be hell here Marrah_G Dec 2014 #20
Hillary has brought forth innumeral things to nuture us. AngryAmish Dec 2014 #23
Wall Street and Tar Sands oil vt_native Dec 2014 #30
Bwahahahahah. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #35
POTUS dynasties are for the stupid. L0oniX Dec 2014 #39
This. hifiguy Dec 2014 #49
I'm sick of hearing about the "middle class". What about the working class? Odin2005 Dec 2014 #42
Whew, I was afraid you had fallen ill, or even worse, what with ... 11 Bravo Dec 2014 #47
Talk about pure, unadulterated hifiguy Dec 2014 #48

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
2. Decent article, but the last paragraph falls short.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:49 AM
Dec 2014
The platform may be updated for the 21st century, but it’s not very different in tone from the policies outlined by Bill Clinton nearly 25 years ago when he first ran for President. The question now is whether that message will still resonate with voters.


That is objectively false as the President does not create the platform, the people do, the elected delegates to the convention. And it will be more liberal than any platform before it, as is usually the case.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
3. Her constant siding with Republicans, constant betrayal of other Democrats
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:00 AM
Dec 2014

perpetual refusal to take responsibility for her own actions, refusal to step away from the Iraq War legacy of crime, etc. etc...Hillary Clinton does not have strengths, only neuroses and albatrosses.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
15. Her stance is that she shouldn't apologize for Bush.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:53 AM
Dec 2014

Because that's what the people want her to do, grovel.

It is a fact that UN Resolution 1441 required the US to reconvene with the UN to invade, what Bush did contravened international law.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. So you like Warren who WAS a Republican for 25 or 30 years, casting right wing, bigoted votes
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:03 AM
Dec 2014

for gruesome, middle class gutting, Union busting villains like Ronald Reagan and George Bush? She made millions under Reagan/Bush while the rest of us got trickled down on.

Nothing says 'siding with Republicans' quite like BEING a loyal, decades long Republican donor and voter, like Elizabeth Warren.


Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
36. Why yes, yes I do.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:04 AM
Dec 2014

Just like I like lots of former Republicans who started paying attention to politics and switched parties.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
45. 1. Whose votes resulted in more mayhem: Hillary's, or Warren's?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:56 PM
Dec 2014

2. Of those two, who had more power to influence the outcome of their bad votes?

3. Who had access to more and better information around the subjects they were voting on?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
6. It is going to be a looooong campaign season.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:07 AM
Dec 2014

Wonder if we will soon be seeing trial balloons abut not even having primaries, because Hillary is so very wondrous.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
11. You DO know that the only people using the term "inevitable" are the anti-Hillary folks, right?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:38 AM
Dec 2014

Point to a Hillary supporter who objects to an open Primary.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
14. I do not like pointing, but I have seen it expressed that why waste money on primaries
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:47 AM
Dec 2014

when the money could be used for the actual race, and why give the GOP any ammunition from other would-be candidates.
And the Hillary camp has been pushing the inevitable meme for quite a while.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
38. I see an ASSERTION (without evidence) that McCaskill doesn't want a primary...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:51 AM
Dec 2014

...the referenced article only says she supports Hillary.

Care to try again?

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
31. That is absolutely absurd.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:26 AM
Dec 2014

I have never seen a DUer here who has supported that. I have had some indicate it, but after a simple discussion, they realized the folly of the argument.

Start at post 10: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025115191

A closed primary or a simple "consensus choice" destroys the party platform. It wouldn't work even if some top elites wanted it to work.

QC

(26,371 posts)
37. As a matter of fact, he was discussing that issue with Gloria Vanderbilt
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:15 AM
Dec 2014

just the other day!

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
40. Or was it Marie Antoinette ? She of the let them eat cake? I had no idea that Anderson's
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:32 AM
Dec 2014

Mother posted here



QC

(26,371 posts)
43. Sometimes it sounds like lots of Social Register types are posting here,
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:10 PM
Dec 2014

such as when shrieking mobs of fanbotz surround people who can't afford their mandatory insurance and accuse them of being liars.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
28. Clinton already backing Ferguson, NYC...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:23 AM
Dec 2014

...backs gay marriage, decries income inequality, wants to address student loans, yeah, it's going to be awesome. Absolutely fucking awesome.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
8. So a bunch of yahoos, running under the name...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:21 AM
Dec 2014

... Correct the Record, are defending Hillary by lying.

How very Republican of them.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
9. Why Wall Street Loves Hillary
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:32 AM
Dec 2014
...While the finance industry does genuinely hate Warren, the big bankers love Clinton, and by and large they badly want her to be president. Many of the rich and powerful in the financial industry—among them, Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein, Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman, Tom Nides, a powerful vice chairman at Morgan Stanley, and the heads of JPMorganChase and Bank of America—consider Clinton a pragmatic problem-solver not prone to populist rhetoric. To them, she’s someone who gets the idea that we all benefit if Wall Street and American business thrive. What about her forays into fiery rhetoric? They dismiss it quickly as political maneuvers. None of them think she really means her populism.

Although Hillary Clinton has made no formal announcement of her candidacy, the consensus on Wall Street is that she is running—and running hard—and that her national organization is quickly falling into place behind the scenes. That all makes her attractive. Wall Street, above all, loves a winner, especially one who is not likely to tamper too radically with its vast money pot.

According to a wide assortment of bankers and hedge-fund managers I spoke to for this article, Clinton’s rock-solid support on Wall Street is not anything that can be dislodged based on a few seemingly off-the-cuff comments in Boston calculated to protect her left flank.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/why-wall-street-loves-hillary-112782_full.html#.VGVtjPnF-Sp


Seems as though ever since Wall Street took over our treasury dept years ago, our "American upward mobility" took a nose dive, at least for the majority..We need to END this, not hand them the fricking keys.


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. And that is why I don't care for either of them. Liz was a Republican and is way too socially righty
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:11 AM
Dec 2014

Clinton while a Democrat, is still too conservative for me, I am not surprised the two rich right leaning East Coast white people in their 60's get along and endorse each other. Of course for Warren that's progress, back when I voted for Bill Clinton, and Hillary voted for Bill Clinton, Warren was still a raging Bush supporter and rabid anti choice supply side warrior, hating the gays and loving her million dollar morning in America.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
29. Not socially right IN THE LEAST today. Unlike Hillary. Reagan began as a Democrat & we know how
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:24 AM
Dec 2014

that turned out.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
27. I don't know how many times I have to post this to you. She REFUSES to endorse Hillary.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:23 AM
Dec 2014

That letter was a general endorsement supporting a female nominee. She explains that here while REFUSING to endorse Hill~

STEPHANOPOULOS: You've been pretty clear, and we showed it in Jeff Zeleny's piece, that you say you're not running for president in 2016. It seems like you've just affirmed it again. You also signed a letter -- several senators signed a letter earlier this year encouraging Hillary Clinton to run.
So is she your candidate in 2016?

WARREN: You know, all of the women -- Democratic women, I should say, of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run. And I hope she does.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You hope she does. And if she does, she is your candidate, you're going to endorse her?

WARREN: If Hillary -- Hillary is terrific.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You know, you've said she is terrific very many times. You say that again in this book, "A Fighting Chance." But this book leaves out something of a pointed criticism from your earlier book, "The Two Income Trap."

There you praised first lady Hillary Clinton for her opposition to this bankruptcy bill pushed by the big banks, but go on to talk about how she, as New York senator, seemed she could not afford that principled position.

Senator Clinton received 140,000 in campaign contributions from banking industry executives in a single year. Big banks were now part of Senator Clinton's constituency. She wanted their support, and they wanted hers, including a vote in favor of that awful bill.

So do you think that -- are you worried that somehow she will bow to big business, those were your words in that book, if she becomes president?

WARREN: Look, I've made it clear all the way through this book and really what I've been working on for the last 25 years, that I'm worried a lot about power in the financial services industry.

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/abcs-stephanopoulos-makes-elizabeth-warren
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
33. Elizabeth Warren: I hope Hillary Clinton runs for president
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:31 AM
Dec 2014
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific."

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
34. Not endorsing! Why do you think Stephanopolous tried so hard to get her to say it.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:41 AM
Dec 2014

Wanting someone to run along with a bunch of other women is not saying "I endorse her".

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
46. And that means, 'what' exactly? Did you think that Liberals are going to blindly continue to
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 05:07 PM
Dec 2014

support anyone who betrays the principles they CLAIMED to hold once it becomes apparent that they were either lying or were easily led once they reached DC?

Only blind loyalists do that. Most Liberals are far from blind and you should know from posting here at least, that when a politician totally changes his/her views after they have been elected, Liberals will not hesitate to drop support for such a person. Of course they will be attacked by the true loyalists who DO blindly support politicians no matter what they do, but that won't have much effect on those who do not put party before country and support candidates who put their country and the people who elect them FIRST.

I love how people think that they can defend their favorite candidate against justifiable criticism, by assuming that pointing out that the assumed favorite of the critics, is 'just as bad'. I can assure you Warren will lose support the minute she starts acting like many of the other, once trusted, politicians we have to deal with.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
20. The primary season is going to be hell here
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:08 AM
Dec 2014

I hope people try to remember to be kind to one another.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
23. Hillary has brought forth innumeral things to nuture us.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:17 AM
Dec 2014

We have nothing good to recompense her.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
35. Bwahahahahah.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:03 AM
Dec 2014

Good one, guys.

One of her REAL biggest strengths is her passion for equality for women.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
49. This.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 05:21 PM
Dec 2014

Thank you, L0oniX, for saying something that is not said nearly often enough.

No more Booshes or Clintons, ever.

11 Bravo

(24,310 posts)
47. Whew, I was afraid you had fallen ill, or even worse, what with ...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 05:14 PM
Dec 2014

no shit-on-Hillary posts for literally dozens of hours.
Glad to find you in good health.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
48. Talk about pure, unadulterated
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 05:20 PM
Dec 2014
BULLSHIT! I guess that's why she's so buddy-buddy with Blankfein and the rest of the Wall Street vampire squid.

Believe this and you will believe literally anything.
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