Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:41 AM
Man from Pickens (1,713 posts)
What I Did After Police Killed My SonAfter police in Kenosha, Wis., shot my 21-year-old son to death outside his house ten years ago — and then immediately cleared themselves of all wrongdoing — an African-American man approached me and said: “If they can shoot a white boy like a dog, imagine what we’ve been going through.”
I could imagine it all too easily, just as the rest of the country has been seeing it all too clearly in the terrible images coming from Ferguson, Mo., in the aftermath of the killing of Michael Brown. On Friday, after a week of angry protests, the police in Ferguson finally identified the officer implicated in Brown's shooting, although the circumstances still remain unclear. I have known the name of the policeman who killed my son, Michael, for ten years. And he is still working on the force in Kenosha. Yes, there is good reason to think that many of these unjustifiable homicides by police across the country are racially motivated. But there is a lot more than that going on here. Our country is simply not paying enough attention to the terrible lack of accountability of police departments and the way it affects all of us—regardless of race or ethnicity. Because if a blond-haired, blue-eyed boy — that was my son, Michael — can be shot in the head under a street light with his hands cuffed behind his back, in front of five eyewitnesses (including his mother and sister), and his father was a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel who flew in three wars for his country — that’s me — and I still couldn’t get anything done about it, then Joe the plumber and Javier the roofer aren’t going to be able to do anything about it either. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-police-killed-my-son-110038.html
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Man from Pickens | Dec 2014 | OP |
KG | Dec 2014 | #1 | |
Warren Stupidity | Dec 2014 | #3 | |
AtheistCrusader | Dec 2014 | #4 | |
Major Nikon | Dec 2014 | #8 | |
AtheistCrusader | Dec 2014 | #12 | |
Major Nikon | Dec 2014 | #18 | |
woo me with science | Dec 2014 | #28 | |
druidity33 | Dec 2014 | #32 | |
Man from Pickens | Dec 2014 | #34 | |
Major Nikon | Dec 2014 | #36 | |
bettyellen | Dec 2014 | #39 | |
Major Nikon | Dec 2014 | #40 | |
grahampuba | Dec 2014 | #51 | |
Major Nikon | Dec 2014 | #58 | |
Nay | Dec 2014 | #52 | |
Major Nikon | Dec 2014 | #57 | |
Nay | Dec 2014 | #59 | |
Scuba | Dec 2014 | #47 | |
TheKentuckian | Dec 2014 | #49 | |
L0oniX | Mar 2015 | #60 | |
bettyellen | Dec 2014 | #38 | |
Nay | Dec 2014 | #53 | |
bettyellen | Dec 2014 | #56 | |
Man from Pickens | Dec 2014 | #13 | |
Major Nikon | Dec 2014 | #15 | |
Hatchling | Dec 2014 | #23 | |
Major Nikon | Dec 2014 | #37 | |
daleanime | Dec 2014 | #14 | |
Brigid | Dec 2014 | #16 | |
Warren Stupidity | Dec 2014 | #17 | |
RoccoR5955 | Dec 2014 | #45 | |
Brigid | Dec 2014 | #10 | |
CrispyQ | Dec 2014 | #22 | |
Nay | Dec 2014 | #54 | |
dixiegrrrrl | Dec 2014 | #2 | |
world wide wally | Dec 2014 | #5 | |
Man from Pickens | Dec 2014 | #6 | |
cleduc | Dec 2014 | #7 | |
jwirr | Dec 2014 | #9 | |
sabrina 1 | Dec 2014 | #11 | |
woo me with science | Dec 2014 | #31 | |
Nay | Dec 2014 | #55 | |
mulsh | Dec 2014 | #19 | |
cpamomfromtexas | Dec 2014 | #44 | |
joeybee12 | Dec 2014 | #20 | |
The Blue Flower | Dec 2014 | #21 | |
TBF | Dec 2014 | #24 | |
treestar | Dec 2014 | #25 | |
Pacifist Patriot | Dec 2014 | #27 | |
Pacifist Patriot | Dec 2014 | #26 | |
ConservativeDemocrat | Dec 2014 | #29 | |
GeorgeGist | Dec 2014 | #33 | |
ConservativeDemocrat | Dec 2014 | #35 | |
Tsiyu | Dec 2014 | #42 | |
TheKentuckian | Dec 2014 | #50 | |
woo me with science | Dec 2014 | #30 | |
Tsiyu | Dec 2014 | #41 | |
seveneyes | Dec 2014 | #43 | |
undeterred | Dec 2014 | #46 | |
LittleGirl | Dec 2014 | #48 |
Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:57 AM
KG (28,728 posts)
1. We live in a police state. end of story.
Response to KG (Reply #1)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:20 PM
Warren Stupidity (48,181 posts)
3. no no no! Where's Hitler?
We've been over this a thousand times. We get to vote for either of two ass kissing corporate shills plus there is no hitler. So no police state.
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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:52 PM
AtheistCrusader (33,982 posts)
4. It hurts because it's true. :(
Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #4)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:10 PM
Major Nikon (36,143 posts)
8. "Police state" is a gross exaggeration
If you look at no-shit police states both now (North Korea) and historically, we are nowhere close.
What we do have is an overly aggressive militarized police force with very little accountability and a general public that just doesn't care so long as far more black men are being killed than white. |
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:22 PM
AtheistCrusader (33,982 posts)
12. I tend to think of it as a spectrum of problems.
I wouldn't trade my problems with North Korea, but they're still problems.
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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #12)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:48 PM
Major Nikon (36,143 posts)
18. Certainly they are genuine and serious problems which a civilized society needs to address
I would even go so far as to say an aggressive and overly militarized police force is a real potential threat to democracy.
When police forces are being used to further partisan politician goals, then you have a police state. |
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #18)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:03 PM
woo me with science (32,139 posts)
28. Yes, a police state is being constructed around us. And yes, it's used to further political goals
Last edited Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:24 PM - Edit history (2) and defend our corporate oligarchy and its corruption. It's a corporate-authoritarian state being very carefully and deliberately constructed around us.
All these indignant denials take the same form:
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Response to woo me with science (Reply #28)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:18 PM
druidity33 (6,165 posts)
32. one HELL of a post Woo...
thank you for laying it all out. Bookmarking.
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Response to woo me with science (Reply #28)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:43 PM
Man from Pickens (1,713 posts)
34. That deserves its own thread
your post... a thing of beauty
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Response to woo me with science (Reply #28)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:37 PM
Major Nikon (36,143 posts)
36. Here's the problem with your theory
Everything you described is the result of an uninformed and apathetic electorate voting against their best interests. Like it or not the people are still free to vote for corporate interests (or not) if they so desire and the police aren't being used to strong-arm people into doing so. When force isn't being used, we all get exactly the government we deserve.
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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #36)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:47 PM
bettyellen (47,209 posts)
39. Ah, this goes hand in hand with sexism = women's fault / what we want or deserve....
What a pantload.
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Response to bettyellen (Reply #39)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:53 PM
Major Nikon (36,143 posts)
40. Pantload
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #36)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:48 AM
grahampuba (169 posts)
51. close
you are also conflating terms.
you are confusing uninformed with misinformed by way of pervasive propaganda that would by most definitions qualify as psy-ops. the people who you claim to be uninformed most likely consider themselves informed. Not to say there is not an abundance of apathy, but I'd say we more so lack empathy by way of the propaganda stream. and why would you need to put on such a blatant display of power of strong arming voters when your propaganda is effective and then, barring effective propaganda campaigns, also have the ability to alter or disappear votes that would represent the few opposing citizens you have not been able to disenfranchise through the same system. |
Response to grahampuba (Reply #51)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:42 PM
Major Nikon (36,143 posts)
58. I pick my words carefully
If the right information isn't available, then misinformed might be accurate. When the right information is available, then apathy seems to be an accurate description for those who are uninformed, and "psy-ops" is another gross exaggeration for politics which haven't changed much since there's been politicians.
Your question is quite valid. Why would anyone need to put on such a blatant display of power and create a "police state" when the nation can be convinced to vote a certain way with a campaign that need not go any deeper than what fits on a bumper sticker? |
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #36)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:51 AM
Nay (12,040 posts)
52. But we voted Obama in to dial down the wars and the spying, only to find
that he is pushing for even more spying, etc. It's hard to blame the voters when both parties, as they gain office, act in the same way. We are not free to NOT vote for corporate interests because anyone with the money to run a campaign has already been bought and paid for by -- corporate interests.
It will be interesting to see if voters go wild in 2016 and go for Sanders or someone similar. Or maybe they won't show up at all because they don't see how voting will change anything.... ![]() |
Response to Nay (Reply #52)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:31 PM
Major Nikon (36,143 posts)
57. Which only proves that we are a nation of low interest voters
...that aren't smart enough to recognize sloganeering and demagoguery. The police didn't elect Obama or contribute positively or negatively to his campaign in any way. Why would anyone need a "police state" under those conditions?
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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #57)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 01:00 PM
Nay (12,040 posts)
59. I 'm not sure what you're getting at here.
First, the U.S. public is not appreciably more or less smarter than any other group of citizens anywhere. MOST groups of people "aren't smart enough to recognize sloganeering and demagoguery" -- refer to Edward Bernays, any psych manual, any advertising agency. If sloganeering didn't work, there'd be no such network as Fox. There'd be no ads anywhere. There wouldn't be the farcical 'debates' we suffer through every election season.
Second, the police are more conservative individually than the rest of the population, so no, they aren't going to vote for a black man for president, esp a black man being smeared as a socialist on Fox. They would certainly not vote for him because they wanted a police state! They vote for the Republican who is more likely to give them that! Why would anyone need a police state under those conditions? Well, they wouldn't, of course. It is arriving by stealth, not by coup, and not by votes. It's the difference between the police state in Orwell's 1984 and the police state in Huxley's Brave New World. We'll likely be more comfortable and be able to keep our toys in the brave new world, but it's still a police state. IMO, the U.S. suffers from a severe lack of true leadership. Any sincere leader is handicapped by the need for millions of dollars to run a campaign; the media, which can highlight or hide gaffes, 'screams,' and broadcast outright lies, etc., to tilt the playing field deliberately; voting machine irregularities; deliberate vote suppression by Republicans. The idea that the people themselves can fix all this is pretty weak in practice. For sure, more people are going to have to be living under bridges before things change any. |
Response to woo me with science (Reply #28)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 10:31 AM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
47. +1 on the "OP of its own" reply. Thanks woo!
Response to woo me with science (Reply #28)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:25 AM
TheKentuckian (23,947 posts)
49. That was like the Death Star of posts! Blasting away at the bullshit with an unimaginable magnitude
of laser focused power.
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Response to woo me with science (Reply #28)
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 11:01 AM
L0oniX (31,493 posts)
60. more here ...yea that's right ...I saved this stuff ...I think it was one of your posts.
What is the NSA really for?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024215519 "Clear evidence of collusion between TransCanada and the federal government assisting local police to unlawfully monitor and harass political protestors” http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049508 Corporate Espionage and the Secret War Against Citizen Activism http://www.democraticunderground.com/111643982 NSA Spying Not Very Focused on Terrorism: Power, Money and Crushing Dissent Are Real Motives Ops http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023923016 Keiser Report: CIA, NSA & Economic Espionage (E498) (second half with Greg Palast) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017146372 Spooky Business: Corporate Espionage Against Non-profits http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024106205 NSA data could be most useful for connected types on Wall Street. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983519 NSA spied on EU's Anti Trust Chief http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024204596 2011: Wall Street firms spy on protesters with police in tax-funded center http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023286585 OUTRAGEOUS: Our Tax Money Funds Gov Surveillance Center In Lower Manhattan--& Wall St IsPart Of It! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2178769 Report Details How Counter Terrorism Apparatus Was Used to Monitor Occupy Movement Nationwide http://www.democraticunderground.com/12527647 NSA Monitors Porn Habits To Discredit 'Radicalizers' http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024099994 How FBI Monitored Occupy Movement http://www.democraticunderground.com/101651867 FBI started surveillance of Occupy before it occupied http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022930860 Wall Street Protesters Complain of Police Surveillance http://www.democraticunderground.com/101618930 Whoop, There It Is... 'Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown' - http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002462465 ACLU discovers FBI is labeling peace activists as 'potential terrorists' http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4500788 Why is FBI Manufacturing Reasons to Arrest Occupy Protesters, Ignoring White Supremacist Violence http://www.democraticunderground.com/12522821 DHS Tracked Occupy Wall Street to 'Control Protesters http://www.democraticunderground.com/101463537 'Occupy' crackdowns coordinated with federal law enforcement officials http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-minneapolis/were-occupy-crackdowns-aided-by-federal-law-enforcement-agencies FBI uses new powers to bug anti-war groups http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x237625 ACLU: FBI instructs police to suppress peaceful protests http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x253574 Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if ... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1790765 American Protesters Declared Enemy for Weapons Testing Purposes; Rules of Engagement http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2132808#2139011 DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism" http://www.democraticunderground.com/100227662 NSA, DEA fabricating evidence trails to imprison Americans using spying. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023406605 ACLU: On revenge and the NSA http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023491532 On the Espionage Act charges against Edward Snowden Glenn Greenwald http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023066929 US Uses Espionage Act To Convict Manning Using Words Added In 1990: "with a computer" http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023375845 Fed Court: Just changed interpretation of Espionage Act to cover leaks that are NOT Harmful To USA http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023365713 Obama's abuse of the Espionage Act is modern-day McCarthyism http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023413935 NY Times: White House Uses Espionage Act to Silence Employees, Press http://www.democraticunderground.com/101616764 Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080388 A Nation of "Suspects" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5011487 http://www.truth-out.org/nation-suspects/1314810046 That magic word, "terrorism." The government's identification of those needing further scrutiny http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022730456#post13 Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257966 "Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists" http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/ Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002279862 |
Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #12)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:45 PM
bettyellen (47,209 posts)
38. the same people will tell you sexism is not an issue because we're not Saudi Arabia, LOL.
In other words , STFU and pretend everything is rosy, women and POC.
That shit gets old, does it not? |
Response to bettyellen (Reply #38)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:54 AM
Nay (12,040 posts)
53. Exactly! And then when we get ordered into burkas, they say, "Who could have
knoooooooown!!?!!"
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Response to Nay (Reply #53)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:10 PM
bettyellen (47,209 posts)
56. no need for hyperbole, when so many women have no access to reproductive choice, but thanks
this extreme black and white crap does not help.
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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:29 PM
Man from Pickens (1,713 posts)
13. If the cops can accost anyone for any reason and demand papers
then you have a police state
it doesn't have to be as explicit as North Korea's to be one |
Response to Man from Pickens (Reply #13)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:42 PM
Major Nikon (36,143 posts)
15. I don't agree
Nobody is legally required to carry ID in the first place.
The term "police state" can mean anything anyone wants, but if you can't compare our society with present or historical police states then it's hard to image how the term can reasonably apply. The term generally means an authoritarian government that uses the police force to consolidate power and that's not what our police do. They are simply allowed to run amok so long as the people they are oppressing are mostly minorities. |
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #15)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:46 PM
Hatchling (2,323 posts)
23. Try not having id if the police as for.
It's not pleasant.
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Response to Hatchling (Reply #23)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:40 PM
Major Nikon (36,143 posts)
37. I can't think of any dealings with police that are pleasant
Which is a good case for reeling in the police and demanding responsibility and accountability.
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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:29 PM
daleanime (17,796 posts)
14. Such nice company to keep....
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:47 PM
Brigid (17,621 posts)
16. Since cops can shoot and kill people with impunity . . .
On the flimsiest of pretexts, I do not see calling this a police state is an exaggeration, much less a "gross exaggeration".
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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:48 PM
Warren Stupidity (48,181 posts)
17. Kim Jung * maps to Hitler.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:33 AM
RoccoR5955 (12,471 posts)
45. Not a Police State? Look at Occupy Wall Street!
When the police threw the people out of Zuccati Park, and other places, all at the same time, this was not the action of a Police State?
Think again, my friend. We are not at the state of North Korea, but we are quickly approaching it. |
Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:17 PM
Brigid (17,621 posts)
10. Apparently all you really need to have a police state . . .
Is a nonfunctional government and and out of control police force. You don't actually need a dictator.
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Response to Brigid (Reply #10)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:44 PM
CrispyQ (33,523 posts)
22. Corporate is the new dictator. -nt
Response to CrispyQ (Reply #22)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:04 PM
Nay (12,040 posts)
54. Another good point. Present police states certainly don't have to resemble
historical police states. Police states in the past used powerful leaders, thousands of spies in every neighborhood, police run amok. We're getting the 'police run amok' part going, but we have replaced the 'strong leader' and 'thousands of spies' with anonymous corporate control and vast electronic surveillance. The surveillance we are under today is an order of magnitude higher than any surveillance in the past, even the recent past. It also is invisible to most of those surveiled, so they aren't alarmed -- it's not like there's a shadowy STASI agent standing outside under the streetlight, looking up at your window. You won't know anything until they bust your door in at 2 a.m.
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Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:58 AM
dixiegrrrrl (60,001 posts)
2. Gulp. n/t
Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:53 PM
world wide wally (21,242 posts)
5. Very few of us are legal experts in here, except for those with law degrees, but we all
pretty much know the laws we need to know to get by in this country. And if we don't, we can usually look them up.
Now, can anybody tell me exactly what rules cops play by? I grew up thinking that the same laws applied to everyone and we were all "supposed to be" equal under the law for better or worse. But now I see that police get to play by a completely different set of rules. Can anybody tell me where to find them so I don't get myself shot? |
Response to world wide wally (Reply #5)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:57 PM
Man from Pickens (1,713 posts)
6. "Shelter in place"
and pray they don't find a reason to target you while you are cowering in your home, with the lights off, hoping they don't notice that you exist
it goes something like that. |
Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:04 PM
cleduc (653 posts)
7. Awesome response to the worst thing a parent
can experience - the loss of their child.
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Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:16 PM
jwirr (39,215 posts)
9. I think it is of value to recognize that black men are the majority of the people target because
that is the only way that we get the civil rights unit of the Justice Department involved. But I also want this to include other people who have been unfairly targeted - the homeless, mentally ill, other disabled people etc. If the others are not included we are not seeing the whole picture. The police forces in this country are out of control and need to be stopped.
Sorry about your son. |
Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:18 PM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
11. Our Government has placed the police above the law. That is what we have learned
For a short while I thought that when the justice system broke down at the state level, as in Ferguson and now in NY, we could rely on the Federal Govt to administer some kind of accountability. But then I did some research and I found out that when it comes to Killer Cops, that is not the case. It is extremely rare for the Federal Govt to convict a cop.
We are treated to all kinds of excuses 'he smoked pot' eg when it is clear they cannot claim their lives were in danger. The demonization of the victim begins. Watch how gingerly all of our elected officials address these murders by police? Has even one of them just spoken out boldly about the FACTS that are available for anyone who cares to spend a little time finding them? What I found out was that the militarization of the police, eg, is the work of Congress and Homeland Security. The cops view the American people as the enemy and it appears our government likes it that way. So cops will continue to murder US Citizens with no accountability until the ENTIRE SYSTEM is changed. Wilson's excuse for the murder of Michael Brown was 'I followed my training'. That was supposed to assuage the anger of the people. What it must do is to take his word for it, that his training is a huge threat to public safety obviously. And then begin the process of reforming the entire system. But will that happen? We'll see, but I doubt it. We will hear platitudes so long as the protests continue, but behind the scenes, I doubt there is any agreement that they system THEY set up, needs to be changed at all. |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #11)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:41 PM
woo me with science (32,139 posts)
31. Well said.
Yes, it is federally driven, and, yes, it is part of the larger corporate authoritarian state being built around us.
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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #11)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:09 PM
Nay (12,040 posts)
55. Another excellent point. nt
Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:55 PM
mulsh (2,959 posts)
19. "IF they do this to one person they can do this to any one of us" gets blank stares
from most of the people I've said it to. Most of them say "but you're not black" as if that is what is important.
That's what disturbs me most about the recent attention to murderous police. We ceded way too much power to people in relative authority and are finally being made painfully aware of the price. We as a country need to grab back most of that power. It may be too late bit if we don't try it will definitely be too late. |
Response to mulsh (Reply #19)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:29 AM
cpamomfromtexas (1,208 posts)
44. You are so right. I dared ask a question the other night
but apparently I wasn't dark enough to ask that question.
I've come to a lot of conclusions lately regarding that fact. |
Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:15 PM
joeybee12 (56,177 posts)
20. Nice how none of the media got back to him...
Boy are they worthless...glad this guy turned this into something positive.
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Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:41 PM
The Blue Flower (5,083 posts)
21. Title is misleading
All I got out of the article was that the author finally had to resign himself to the reality that cops aren't held accountable for the murder of citizens.
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Response to The Blue Flower (Reply #21)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:48 PM
TBF (31,869 posts)
24. He got the law passed in Wisconsin -
I've read about this (originally from Wis) and Scott Walker actually signed it into law. BUT I have read in stories that there have been cases of shootings where cops have turned off their cameras. So, it they are allowed to turn them off why bother?
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Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:50 PM
treestar (80,853 posts)
25. Something's fishy
I can believe her son was shot but not that the cop was not charged for it if it happened as she says.
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Response to treestar (Reply #25)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:55 PM
Pacifist Patriot (24,301 posts)
27. Well attested story and the author is the victim's father.
I recommend the article in its entirety. Good stuff there.
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Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
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Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:04 PM
ConservativeDemocrat (2,720 posts)
29. The policeman who shot this kid committed suicide
http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/106478678.html
He was a lot harder on himself than his department was, apparently. - C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community |
Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #29)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:24 PM
GeorgeGist (25,124 posts)
33. That guy wasn't he shooter.
It does help to read more than headlines ... even when you're a conservative.
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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #33)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 06:49 PM
ConservativeDemocrat (2,720 posts)
35. Oh, you're right. I missed that.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #29)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:58 PM
Tsiyu (18,186 posts)
42. Do Conservatives just make crap up?
Sure seems like it.
No, that cop was actually the only one ever found guilty before the new law. Albert Gonzalez is the cop who shot Michael, and he's still on the force 10 years later. CAN YOU READ????????? Stop picking shit out to fit your agenda. It gets so goddamned fucking aggravating to read the bullshit and lies conservatives constantly spread. Seriously. Y'all should take some reading comprehension courses. |
Response to Tsiyu (Reply #42)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:47 AM
TheKentuckian (23,947 posts)
50. Yes, conservatives as a matter of course just make shit up and distort what isn't whole cloth.
It may even be the current functioning definition of conservative.
It is funny that they like to call themselves reality based when the more conservative you are the more thumbing your nose at reality one must do. A 6,000 year old world, Voodoo Economics, racism, anti tax zealotry, sexisim, Jesus riding a dinosaur, you name it they got plenty of some crazy, mad bullshit for ya. |
Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:10 PM
woo me with science (32,139 posts)
30. K&R The police state is deliberately constructed around us.
It is as much a part of the corporate takeover as mass surveillance, the murder of investigative journalism, indefinite detention, persecution of whistleblowers, propaganda machines...
Ferguson is a corporate-exploited community...one of many, many more to come under corporate fascist rule. Yes, we have a carefully designed, deliberately constructed police state growing up around us.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5915944 |
Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:55 PM
Tsiyu (18,186 posts)
41. So This dad has to know Albert Gonzalez the murderer
who killed his son is free to roam around and do whatever he likes.
How do you live with that as a parent? How do people like Albert Gonzalez in Kenosha get up every day and not collapse in horror at what terrible, evil human beings they are? |
Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:03 PM
seveneyes (4,631 posts)
43. Experiencing violent death with personal involvement is often illuminating
It can be very burdensome to contain within. Understanding misunderstandings has a small window to see the bigger picture.
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Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:37 AM
undeterred (34,658 posts)
46. A man who went into the wrong house after a night of drinking was killed by a cop
in Madison WI in 2012. White man, white cop.
Yes, people are scared when a stranger comes into their home. But this is the kind of situation police should be trained to handle. The officer involved had a bad history. This case also did a lot to get the law passed. http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/newly-released-police-records-shed-additional-light-on-paul-heenan/article_315e18ac-82e0-11e2-b277-0019bb2963f4.html |
Response to Man from Pickens (Original post)
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:13 AM
LittleGirl (7,661 posts)