"The only thing as vicious as rape is falsely accusing someone of rape." --Jameis Winston

[alp227]

This week, Florida State University quarterback Jameis Winston had his student conduct hearing over accusations he raped a female student. Controversially, local prosecutors declined to charge Winston with a crime at this time of the year in 2013 due to lack of evidence.

Of course, Winston gave a statement saying that his actions were consensual (because y'know, easy girls always lie about being raped). But this is the most ridiculous, woe-is-me, "I'm really the victim" part:

"Rape is a vicious crime," he said. "The only thing as vicious as rape is falsely accusing someone of rape. (The accuser) and her lawyers have falsely accused me, threatened to sue me, demanded $7,000,000 from me, engaged in a destructive media campaign against me, and manipulated this process to the point that my rights have and will continue to be severely compromised. (The accuser's) and her lawyers' public campaign to vilify me guarantees that her false allegations will follow me for the rest of my life."

I guess playing football must have f**ked this guy's brain over so much that he lacks moral perspective. "The only thing as vicious as rape is falsely accusing someone of rape"? Is this man stupid, or am I ignorant of something?

Anyway, I hope Georgia Tech gives this guy a concussion this Saturday. Of all the QB's to have won Heisman or national championship he has to be the biggest scumbag of 'em all.

[AgingAmerican]

3. I don't think it's as bad

...but it is close.

[stevenleser]

15. Why was Truebrit's post hidden? He didn't attack any DUer.

And his post was not over the top

[tkmorris]

17. I was wondering the same thing

Especially because I was tempted to post something quite similar.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

18. I tried. I was #6

On Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Yeah, no it isn't you fucking douche-bag...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5915681

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

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JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:36 PM, and the Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: A bit over the top even though I agree with the sentiment.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Obvious personal insult is obvious
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Personal attack.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Leave. He was talking to the person quoted by the article. I'm sensitive here because I received a hide doing the exact same thing. I called the subject of an article a "fascist" and got a hide. We have to be careful in our phrasing AND our alerting/hiding. Hassin Bin Sober.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What? Unless this is sarcastic, it is uncalled for.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[tkmorris]

22. Wow, that jury...

Is it really that much trouble to read the bloody thread for context people? That is just embarrassing...

[Glassunion]

23. Strange thing this discussion board. Full of all sorts of words strung together.

You cannot expect folks on a discussion board to read whats written. That's far too much to ask. I applaud the minority to actually read it.

I was in a thread earlier where over a quarter of the folks posting read absolutely nothing beyond the subject line. It was quite embarrassing for them. The OP and the responses were in no way related. So much egg on face.

[Kalidurga]

37. my brother is left handed

is that the thread? Of course you could be talking about any number of threads.

[Glassunion]

45. Yep. I got such a laugh out of that one.

[tularetom]

32. I wonder what somebody has to do

In order to earn the title "fucking douchebag".

Being a rapist apparently fails to qualify. Yet I have seen George W Bush referred to on DU, many times, in exactly the same words and nobody said jack shit. And as bad as he was I don't think he raped anybody and then whined about being the victim.

[ScreamingMeemie]

47. The sad part is, this was the very first post, so it wouldn't have been that difficult

to figure out.

I underwrite truebrit's sentiments. My only hope is that Winston is drafted, turns out to be a stunning failure, and we never hear about him again.

[gollygee]

20. You don't think

"You fucking douche-bag" is a personal attack?

Oh wait, I think I see - because the was talking to the person quoted, not the DU'er who posted it.

[joeybee12]

25. Winston deserves it...and more...nt

[JNelson6563]

44. It's a hidden war on DU.

Certain atheists have certain fans who will alert on almost anything in the hopes of getting lucky and scoring a hide on the wretched godless heathen.

Julie

[LostOne4Ever]

46. It was a bullshit hide (nt)

[Warren Stupidity]

53. Once upon a time bullshit hides like this didn't really matter.

Then the rules changed and now you get a forced vacation if you get unlucky enough. So the stakes went up for "scalp hunting" and the scalp hunters are out alerting on anything that can possibly be alerted on. And why not? You get to knock people off the board! What fun!

Apropos of nothing there was a recent bunch of threads about why DU views are down down down.

[merrily]

28. Not that close.

Yes, it's horrible, but it is not forced penetration and all that goes with it.

[LostOne4Ever]

48. Rape is far far far worse!

[font color=teal size=3 face=papyrus]It is not even close.[/f]

[AgingAmerican]

49. Than rotting in prison for ten years?

Perhaps it is far worse, but both still suck.

[smirkymonkey]

55. Not even actual CONVICTED rapists get anywhere near 10 years in prison,

that is if they get any time at all. I doubt very much very, very few of those who are accused of rape (falsely) ever go to trial, let alone get any prison time.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. I would hate to be accused of something I didn't do...

But more problematic is false accusers undermine legitimate accusers and make them harder to be believed.

[Iggo]

6. I, too, would hate to be accused of something I didn't do.

But I guarantee you it's not as bad as being raped.

[davidn3600]

11. Unless you go to prison and are raped there

[Iggo]

14. Which would fall under the definition of "being raped."

[KitSileya]

4. Wow. Yeah, being able to continue playing football, getting the Heisman trophy,

is just as bad as being raped. As is getting to continue with a world famous career, earning millions of dollars, even when 20 of your victims accuse you of rape a la Bill Cosby.

Or heck, getting a second shot at fame through a film career when you were not only accused of rape, but found guilty and served time for rape, a la Mike Tyson.

I hope Winston's career in football crashes and burns, and may he never achieve what he wants.

[Dont call me Shirley]

29. Don't forget about Big Ben Rapistberger

[Capt. Obvious]

5. Being falsely accused of stealing crab legs is worse

[Dr. Strange]

7. Oh come on, admit it--you stole those crab legs.

We caught you red-lobstered.

[Capt. Obvious]

8. It could have been me

I had too much to drink at the Red Lobster
Now the room is spinning around like the blades on a helicopter

[NuclearDem]

38. NO! NO NO NO!

Bad!

[Prophet 451]

9. That sounded clever in your head, didn't it?

This is the kind of one-liner people come up with when they want to appear wise but are too dumb to think it through fully. Being falsely accused of anything is pretty bad but it's nowhere near as bad as being raped.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

13. i guarantee this was a statement prepared by his lawyer(s)

he probably had zero input other than a rough 'time-line' of events...

sP

[mythology]

24. Even if the lawyer did write it all,

Winston is still a bloody fucking moron for reading that and not thinking to himself "this sounds stupid". Of course he's the same idiot who stole crab legs, jumped up on a table to yell something stupid (which he lied about when he was disciplined over it) and when he was benched for a game, came out onto the field wearing his uniform and pads before the coach sent him to take the pads off. So he's clearly a complete dumbass who desperately needs to grow the fuck up.

[Rocky888]

35. Don't forget

Being investigated for point shaving for gambling profit. This idiot and all his protectors should be in prison. His luck will run out and the rats will run from his sinking ship.

[LanternWaste]

10. Thankfully, false rape reports are a very, very small problem... much like voter fraud

Thankfully, false rape reports are a very, very small problem... much like voter fraud; yet often bit into with passion by those who wish it were much larger to validate a preexisting bias.

[tkmorris]

19. That's what Rolling Stone thought

[RedCappedBandit]

12. When it happens, I'm sure it's pretty fuckin bad

Doubt it happens as much as the MRAs want us to think

[historylovr]

16. Yeah, no it's not.

Asshole.

[tkmorris]

21. Couple of thoughts on that

1) No, it really isn't. Being accused of rape falsely does suck, but I would think actually BEING raped is quite a bit worse.

2) I doubt you would know in either case Jameis, because in my opinion you are guilty as sin. You are the poster child for pampered athletes who never grow up. I will smile broadly the day you go to prison, and yes, I am quite certain that you WILL end up there. You're too stupid to stop trying to get away with things you shouldn't.

[joeybee12]

26. So says the coward who didn't even bother to show up for the hearing...

Or should I say pampered, self-absorbed coward?

[alp227]

30. he actually did while refusing to answer questions from the hearing officer.

see link in OP.

[joeybee12]

31. ESPN said he didn't show...just realesed a statement...

Or so I thought...his two roommates who were there during the "alleged" assault showed up, I'd heard, and refused to answer.

[alp227]

42. Actually, Winston showed up only reading from the statement.

My linked article: "ESPN.com obtained a copy of the statement Winston read during his hearing on Wednesday night." JW's teammates who witnessed JW's sexual encounter also showed up and remained silent.

[joeybee12]

43. It was the least they could do...

the very least.

[merrily]

27. Sorry, but a false accusation, while vicious, is NOT as vicious as rape.

I don't know of any woman or any sensible male who would equate those two things.

[virtualobserver]

34. in a certain way, it is actually worse.....

....because it reinforces the idea that false accusations occur, which negatively affects others who are actually raped. It is hard enough to find the courage to report rape in any circumstance. It is a serious crime against all rape victims to falsely accuse.


False accusations get much more coverage in the news. Limbaugh types call women sluts for merely using contraceptives. They love spreading this kind of story.

[merrily]

36. Sorry, but I doubt you'd make a philosophical argument about

a false accusation being worse than rape in any way at all if you had been raped.

Anyway, Jameis was not referrring to a false accusation being as vicious as rape for women in general or society in general. He was saying that being falsely accused is as vicious to the falsely accused male as rape is to a female rape victim. And that, while terrible, is not even close to be raped.

[Blue_In_AK]

33. I really don't care for Jameis Winston,

and I think he should just keep his mouth shut on this issue.

He should never have been awarded the Heisman.

[NuclearDem]

39. Oh just FUCK this guy.

[Tsiyu]

40. I was not aware you could contract fatal

STDs or become pregnant from a false rape allegation.

I was not aware you could have your reproductive organs be so shattered and destroyed via a false rape allegation that you could never have normal sex or children.

Interesting, the things you learn frum sum guyz.

[Psephos]

51. one thing you can do is go to prison for decades

your life is wrecked forever, and you get your own education on rape in the most brutal ways

[Tsiyu]

54. Good thing that very few legit cases are

actually pursued and prosecuted.

Makes it easier when there's a false accusation. because chances are, nobody gives a shit, they're going to tear apart the "victim" ( all victims- real or imaginary - are whores who were asking for it ), everybody's gonna say what a great guy he is and nothing will happen.

Not good for actual rape victims, but it's rare a man goes to prison for rape, even if he is a serial rapist.

53% of rape cases in the military involve enlisted men as victims. How often are these false allegations?

[seveneyes]

41. This too shall parse

Nobody understands something as well as the one doing the reckoning.

[Darb]

50. Less than smart. Cannot believe his handlers let him read that.

Pretty bad advice I'd say.

[kratos00]

52. I wasn't there, neither was anyone else commenting on this thread

There will be a civil case and the nature of Winstons relationship with his accuser will be brought to light and knowing what little I know about that relationship I have a very hard time believing that a court will find for the plaintiff. Sexual assault is a very real problem but getting at the truth can sometimes be difficult: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_%28American_football%29