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Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:59 PM

A counterpoint to the Rolling Stone Article: It's okay to question an accusation

(CNN) -- Pundit Glenn Reynolds recently wrote: "So as I understand it, Atticus Finch is now the bad guy in "To Kill A Mockingbird," because he doubted a story about rape." How right he was.

A story with a rape allegation carries an immediate electric charge. In Jim Crow's South, lynchings often came with a story of the victim having raped a white girl. With the energy of such a story, it wasn't too hard to whip up a fury strong enough to leave a man hanging from a tree. The "rape propaganda" was necessary to garner the emotions necessary to press the real, dark, agenda.

Al Sharpton took a page out of the old South's playbook and brought us Tawana Brawley, who accused six white men of raping her. The story of white on black crime resonated, and it helped to promote a social justice agenda, but Tawana Brawley was no more a rape victim than two white women in Scottsboro, Alabama, who falsely accused nine black teenagers more than 80 years ago.

What do these stories have in common? Someone had an agenda, and they knew that a rape story would put it on a rocket powered toboggan.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/05/opinion/randazza-uva-rape-allegations/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


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Reply A counterpoint to the Rolling Stone Article: It's okay to question an accusation (Original post)
NaturalHigh Dec 2014 OP
Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #1
NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #2
yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #9
Recursion Dec 2014 #10
NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #11
jamzrockz Dec 2014 #14
alarimer Dec 2014 #3
NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #4
dsc Dec 2014 #5
joeglow3 Dec 2014 #6
Recursion Dec 2014 #7
closeupready Dec 2014 #8
Fumesucker Dec 2014 #12
Kurska Dec 2014 #13
NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #15
davidn3600 Dec 2014 #16
NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #19
Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #17
NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #18

Response to NaturalHigh (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:33 PM

1. 2 words...Duke Lacrosse

 

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:39 PM

2. Yep. It probably won't be long before someone posts...

"why do you always bring up that one case"?

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:38 AM

9. Tragic case. Although someone pointed out

 

Today that each received 20 million. I guess it is ok then....Ugh! I think the Univerity of Virginia President needs to apologize to the student body and especially fraternities for the libel he spouted off on the whole university. I think the President should be fired too. He escalated the thing without facts from an article from Rolling Stone an entertainment gossip magazine.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:42 AM

10. She

The President of UVA is Teresa A. Sullivan

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:58 AM

11. I knew there was a settlement...

but I never heard an amount. Crystal Mangum should have gotten serious jail time for that. Maybe she wouldn't have killed a future boyfriend. Mike Nifong got off easy too.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 07:00 AM

14. Don't forget

 

Brian Banks, a man who actually served time in prison (5 years) and only got exonerated because a PI was able to get the false accuser to tell the truth and recant her story. If not for that he would be rotting in jail now.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:07 AM

3. No, it's not.

RS did not do their legwork. WHO FUCKING INTERVIEWS PERPETRATORS OF ANY OTHER FUCKING CRIME?

Blame the writer and editors.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:10 AM

4. Well, I'm pretty sure that all ALLEGED perpetrators get the chance to tell their stories.

I least I hope that's the way it works.

What about that whole innocent until proven guilty thing? Should we get rid of that too?

As for the title of your reply, allow me to respond: Yes, it is.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:19 AM

5. all kinds of people do before they rush into print accusing people of crimes

even celebrities have won cases where publications claimed a celebrity did something when they didn't and the publication hadn't even bothered to ask the celebrity. It was irresponsible in the extreme to publish that story without checking it out. And yes, that would include asking the fraternities involved for comment.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:27 AM

6. Are you fucking kidding me?

 

An accusation can't be questioned? The accused is really the guilty when an accusation is laid?

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Response to alarimer (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:29 AM

7. If they're identified by the victim? All the time (nt)

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Response to alarimer (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:32 AM

8. Disagree.

 

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Response to NaturalHigh (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 05:37 AM

12. Glenn Reynolds sticking up for accused criminals?

That's certainly not his usual schtick.



http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/


BUT ITíS IN SERVICE OF A PROGRESSIVE POLITICAL CAUSE, SO ITíS OKAY: Michael Brown Protesters Have Shut Down More Traffic Than Chris Christie.
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Posted at 11:03 pm by Glenn Reynolds

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FORTUNATELY, ITíS GOTTEN MUCH EASIER TO CARRY A GUN: Gallup: In U.S., 37% Do Not Feel Safe Walking at Night Near Home.
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Posted at 10:07 pm by Glenn Reynolds

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HOWíS THAT HOPEY-CHANGEY STUFF WORKINí OUT FOR YA? (CONTíD): U.S. Birthrate Declines for Sixth Consecutive Year; Economy Could Be Factor. Huh. What happend six years ago that could have reduced peopleís faith in the future?
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Posted at 8:01 pm by Glenn Reynolds

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Response to NaturalHigh (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 06:16 AM

13. Congrats you were reported

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 7, 2014, 05:10 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The OP is an opinion piece posted without comment, presumably to open discussion. Alerter's objection seems to be to the poster, who is a veteran DUer, and not the article itself. That's just not a good enough reason to alert.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It is freaking CNN, quit with this frivolous reports.
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

5 seems to have accidentally voted to hide.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 07:23 AM

15. Seriously? For posting a CNN piece?

Who did I piss off recently?

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:03 AM

16. There are a few here who believe it should be against the rules to question an accuser

 

They say that because only a small number of rape allegations are false, that false allegations is not worthy of discussion. And that it's acceptable to assume all allegations are true until proven false.

Even saying an accused rapist is "innocent until proven guilty" will draw an alert from these people.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 08:11 PM

19. I know.

TBH, after thinking about it a little bit, I'm pretty sure I know who sent the alert.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:25 AM

17. Of course it is. This idiocy that sexual assault is different and can't be verified before acting

 

is just that- idiocy.

And I say that as both a victim of sexual assault myself and as someone who has had to investigate and act, and make arrests on sexual assault cases in an official capacity. And I have been told some very convincing accounts of sexual assault only to find out the accused had an airtight alibi.

It's the basic responsibility of anyone acting on a claim of sexual assault, just like for any other crime, to do their due dilligence and verify to the best of your ability the veracity of the claims before taking action- be that action a published article, an expulsion from a school, or an arrest.

People claim that it's "too serious" or "too sensitive" to do that, and they are full of shit. The more serious and sensitive something is the MORE responsibility anyone acting on it has to ensure they are acting on reliable information.

To do otherwise... Well you end up with crap like Duke Lacrosse and Rolling Stone that hurt legitimate claims, and you create a system where more attention seeking fakers see sexual assault as a "safe" bogus claim to make and draw more in, making the problem worse, and the cycle continues.

Now, that said, must we be sensitive about how we deal with victims and go about investigating and verifying? Of course. Sexual assault isn't an auto theft or a bar fight and you have to make sure that you don't further harm the victim. But thag can be done while still exercising due dilligence in ensuring they are being truthful.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 08:10 PM

18. Thank you for that thoughtful reply.

I hope I've never given anyone the impression that I think these cases should not be taken seriously. To believe them beyond doubt without evidence, however, will do more harm than good.

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