HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » So we all know torture ha...

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:25 PM

So we all know torture happened, yet if we hold people accountable hostages might be killed?

The third-way, conservadem logic is strong on this Torture Report. If being a good Democrat involves covering up Republican crimes, I must not be a Democrat.

32 replies, 3029 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 32 replies Author Time Post
Reply So we all know torture happened, yet if we hold people accountable hostages might be killed? (Original post)
ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 OP
99Forever Dec 2014 #1
JI7 Dec 2014 #2
ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #4
JI7 Dec 2014 #14
malokvale77 Dec 2014 #3
okaawhatever Dec 2014 #5
ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #6
okaawhatever Dec 2014 #7
Scuba Dec 2014 #8
okaawhatever Dec 2014 #10
ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #11
Scuba Dec 2014 #21
ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #9
Dragonfli Dec 2014 #12
BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #16
951-Riverside Dec 2014 #13
neverforget Dec 2014 #15
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #17
liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #18
1000words Dec 2014 #19
LeftOfWest Dec 2014 #20
Vinca Dec 2014 #22
Vattel Dec 2014 #23
reddread Dec 2014 #24
KG Dec 2014 #25
1000words Dec 2014 #32
stone space Dec 2014 #26
nilesobek Dec 2014 #27
KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #28
Dragonfli Dec 2014 #30
KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #31
avebury Dec 2014 #29

Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:36 PM

1. K&R

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:37 PM

2. i thougt Udall was in favor of releasing it

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JI7 (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:43 PM

4. Udall is, Kerry is not.

And the conservative faction of this board thinks that is just dandy. American's don't deserve to know what crimes were done in OUR name.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:17 AM

14. but Udall is a third way dlc type dem which is why he lost his election

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:37 PM

3. You can't fix stupid.

One might think, that a dose of honesty and accountability might actually help.

Never mind.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:00 AM

5. Delaying the release is not the same thing as never releasing it. The torture has stopped and Obama

has admitted to it.
Glad to know you could care less if Americans die just so you can view a report that has been 5 years in the making. I guess you're not concerned with the Iran deal either.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:10 AM

6. Did people die when Obama admitted to it?

You're talking nonsense. Quit hiding behind "American's dying", not only is it terrible logic, it's distasteful.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:22 AM

7. No, not nonsense. Reality. The fear is for Americans abroad and American hostages, plus the Iran

deal. Besides, it's not like all the other countries have released a report on their torture activity and its our turn. One thing that will come from this is a lot of bad press for the US when most countries are doing the same thing. It won't be viewed in that light, though.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:24 AM

8. You don't think those who were tortured already know it? Your logic is a major fail.

 

They know it, their loved ones know it, only the American people are ignorant of it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:32 AM

10. Americans aren't ignorant of it. Obama has admitted it publicly. This report has been in the press

how many times over the last 5 years? There have been plenty of news reports on the alleged and then confirmed torture at Guantanamo. Americans are well aware of it. lk

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:34 AM

11. So then what's the difference?

Everyone is doing it and everyone knows about it....Why not release it? What are you scared of? Some of your heroes might come out looking a little dirty?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:39 AM

21. So why not release it?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:26 AM

9. Answer my question...

Did people die when Obama admitted that "we tortured some folks"? By YOUR logic they should have.



Good job breaking out the old "everyone else is doing it" argument. When all else fails, debate like an 8 year old.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okaawhatever (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:45 AM

12. Why do you think "most countries" are torturing people?

I find it to be both shocking and bizarre that you make such an assumption.

Our criminal activity is widely known (Bush and co. made quite a splash) as indeed are the criminal antics of various tyrants in the world which in many cases are even worse, but I thought it was well established that civilized countries do not commit torture. Hence our moral imperative a few years back to stop doing so.

Why do you believe such a thing? Do you know any facts that I am simply unaware of? Or is this belief a defense mechanism meant to assuage the guilt you feel for supporting the continued sweeping under the rug of heinous acts and the sheltering of war criminals and torturers by telling yourself everybody is doing it?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dragonfli (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:39 AM

16. propaganda propaganda propaganda

Makes one think things that defy all logic.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:52 AM

13. Here's the thing, what the CIA did to detainees is no secret

 

Water boarding, inducing hypothermia, testing experimental drugs, smearing inmates with menstral blood, beatings, force feeding and even bringing in children has been known for years.

We've all heard the stories from whistle blowers, reporters and guards.

Just release the damn thing and get it over with.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:21 AM

15. They're slow walking it to protect the powerful.

I hope Senator Udall reads the report into the Congressional Record and those assholes involved in this atrocity are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to neverforget (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 04:12 AM

17. To protect the guilty powerful and their underlings who actually performed the torture.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 04:17 AM

18. The leaders of the world never prosecute one another because they know one day it could and

would be them being prosecuted.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 04:39 AM

20. This.

 

Cover up. No.

Torture...no, just fucking really fucking no.


conservadem...there is an oxymoron.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:41 AM

22. It was bad enough Bush, Cheney and their merry cohorts weren't prosecuted.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:48 AM

23. There might be a good reason to delay release.

 

It's hard to say without knowing what Kerry knows. That being said, I don't trust Kerry. He has proven himself a tool.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:10 AM

24. The truth is Kerry is not the impetus, he is the smoke screen

 

and we should, for once, try to keep our eye on the ball.
or the pea. whatever it is.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:14 AM

25. anybody thinks torture has been stopped is just kidding themselves

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KG (Reply #25)


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:18 AM

26. Holding folks accountable for torture would be like...

 

...holding cops accountable for murder.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:58 AM

27. Since they always have hostages,

this excuse can be used in perpetuity. There will NEVER be a "good time," to release the torture report. The criminals and their cohort coverup cleanup men are running out the clock.

Who is the sick maniac sadist that decided to smear America forever by introducing torture? I want to know who suggested it, who ran the program and how long we have to live under the tyranny of evil men.

This is no longer the country I was raised in...disgusting!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:04 PM

28. I wonder if they're stonewalling and obfuscating because they are

 

afraid the righteous fury of the American people, slow to awaken but once awoke unquenchable, will ignite.

If, for example, the report documents that American military personnel or intelligence assets (or mercenaries in the U.S. employ) were sodomizing Iraqi children in front of their parents in order to compel parents to inform on the Iraqi resistance, do you think that revelation might be enough to arouse the vast majority of working-class Americans from their moral torpor?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:59 PM

30. Often heroic folks under a lot of pressure sodomize children.

These patriots must be protected not only from laws that would unjustly imprison them, but from getting their feelings hurt by the mean population that does not understand what heroic action looks and sounds like when expressed in the screams of small children being raped. Luckily, the President and his SOS understand their plight and are glad to aid and protect them after the fact.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dragonfli (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 03:35 PM

31. That is some seriously acerbic shit (but well put). I read somewhere back

 

when the shit initially hit the fan that Sen. Lindsey Graham had looked at some of the photos and video that wasn't released and he was visibly shaken. That tells you there is some seriously dreadful shit in there.

The fallacy of course is assuming that people in the Middle East (and the developing world) aren't already well aware of exactly what transpired in the Gulag Americanus. As one example, there were apocryphal stories out there in 2004-06 that women detained in Abu Ghraib were smuggling messages out to the Iraqi resistance begging for the female wing to be mortared because Americans (intelligence and mercenaries, mixed in with military) had brought those women such indelible shame. Now that is some seriously fucked-up shit.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:09 PM

29. The report has not been released and yet Americans

and other western hostages are being killed by their captors anyway. Their argument holds no weight. What gets hostages killed is our behavior in the Middle East and absurd belief that you can achieve a victory in the "War on Terror" which has about as much chance of success as our "War on Drugs."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread