We have found our 2016 candidate

[itsrobert]

Warren 2016!

[bigwillq]

1. But Reagan! But AIDS! But Republican!

[JI7]

3. but those are the things that will hurt her in a primary

just like republicans have candidates who could probably do well in the general election but are not likely to make it out of the Primary.

[bigwillq]

5. Quite possibly.

We shall see how it all unfolds.

[merrily]

7. Plenty of things could hurt Hillary in a primary, too. So, the more in the primary, the better.

[JI7]

11. she already ran before and is a national figure for years

don't see what could hurt her . it took someone like obama to do it and so far there is nobody who has his talent .

[merrily]

15. Yep, she ran and lost before. You don't see what could hurt her? LOL!

[JI7]

18. a candidate like Obama could hurt her

[merrily]

25. Yes and so could her own acts and omissions. They did in 2008.

[JI7]

27. what acts and omissions hurt her in 2008 ?

[yeoman6987]

49. She lost due to the caucuses

Without those, Hillary would have won. She didn't take those seriously last time. She won't make that mistake again.

[merrily]

52. I don't think that was the only reason she lost We'll see what happens in 2016.

[yeoman6987]

55. Yep! We will see what happens.

I will just be happy once we have our candidates no matter who they are.

[hueymahl]

90. See, I think she has more talent on a bad day than Obama has in a good week

And that is saying a lot, because for the most part, I REALLY like Obama!

[Ink Man]

10. Good call.

You can't over look the flip-flop. What's to stop her from flip-flopping back to a right?

[bigwillq]

20. No more flip floppers.

Obama was against gay marriage and now he's for it. Flopper.

[merrily]

26. What's to stop anyone, including Hillary?

[Jim Lane]

98. Almost nobody outside DU will care about Warren's or Clinton's Republican past.

Certainly, if Warren runs (which, alas, I'm guessing she won't), the Clintonistas on DU will be at it 24/7 about her voter registration records, and will try to paint her as running so she can implement Ronald Reagan's third term.

But, out in the real world -- would Clinton want the campaign to be about who's "really" a Democrat? That's precisely the turf on which Clinton is most vulnerable. If she runs (which, alas, I'm guessing she will), she'll have name recognition, mountains of money, lots of endorsements from elected officials, and the clear favoritism of the media. The most likely scenario for her to lose is that a candidate runs against her from the left and makes the race about ideology. Most Democratic primary voters and caucus-goers will care more about that than about past history.

Unlike some DU posters, Clinton won't want to bring up Reagan. Her vulnerability is that, on multiple issues, she's closer to Reagan's position than is Warren (or Sanders).

Clinton's obvious strategy is to downplay ideology and to stress experience, competence, etc., especially if she's running against someone with as little time in public office as Warren. Against Warren, and even more so against Sanders, she would also stress electability.

[JI7]

2. i think she may do well if she was the nominee, but i can't see how she can win the nomination

unless Clinton doesn't run.

[ucrdem]

4. I don't think she's doing herself favors by playing the bee in Obama's bonnet.

Not with Obama voters anyway, and that's who she needs. She's got a loyal demographic that's nearly identical to HRC's. The best I can see happening from a Warren run is that they take each other out and clear the path for someone else.

[JI7]

6. i don't think that will matter at all, what will matter is demograhpics which favor hillary

and hillary going after her on being a republican.

[merrily]

9. yeah, I'm not so sure Hillary is going to try that.

[JI7]

13. you don't think hillary will go after her on being a republican ?

[merrily]

28. Nope.

[JI7]

29. i agree, but only because i don't think warren will run

in the first place .

[totodeinhere]

79. She will not because in 1964 Hillary Clinton was a high-school Young Republican and "Goldwater

Girl." Of course she flipped to support Eugene McCarthy in 1968.

[JI7]

81. she was 17 in 1964

[socialist_n_TN]

12. So, you think that the "Goldwater Girl" can get away with that......

second line of attack?

[JI7]

14. only because she was a teenager at the time

[merrily]

30. Nope. She was a Republican after her teens.

Not just voting Republican, either. Very active in the Party.

[Thinkingabout]

71. Nope she registered in 1968 as a Democrat and voted for Hubert Humphrey,

At the time she registered to vote one had to be 21. At the time Goldwater ran in 1964 she was 17 at the election time.

[merrily]

73. You have a link to the voter registration records? Or proof of how she voted, other than her own

claim (which is not proof)?

[Thinkingabout]

78. Here you go:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/democrat/clinton/hillary.shtml

Now for your link she voted for Reagan in 1980, it was also a year Bill was running for governor in Arkansas on a Democratic ticket.

[merrily]

80. No, that is not a link to the voter registration records or proof of how she voted, beyond her own

statement.

[merrily]

83. PS. your source also said her college speech "dismissed Senator Brooke." It did no such thing.

http://www.sojust.net/speeches/hillaryclinton_commencement.html She is adding on to what he said, not dismissing him or contradicting him.

I have no idea what Brooke said, other than what Hillary mentions (integrity, etc.)--probably just something he thought would inspire the students--so I am not faulting her in any way for adding on, just pointing out that your sources spins the issue.

[Thinkingabout]

24. Do you think a Reagon Trickle Down girl can getcaway with more,huh.

[merrily]

31. How about someone who, in 2008, put Reagan on her list of 10 Best Presidents in US History?

And that was with the benefit of hindsight.

[JI7]

35. people don't care about things like that as much as what party and who they voted for

[merrily]

37. In a Presidential primary, everyone is in the same Party. Try again.

[JI7]

42. but people only vote for one candidate in the Dem Primary

[merrily]

44. No kidding, but you said they vote Party

[JI7]

48. yes, it matters to them more how long someone has been in the party

than some list

[merrily]

54. I don't know if that will matter more than where the candidate is now.

But, as I said. (1) The entire universe of Democrats does not consist of Liz and Hills; and (2) we'll see what happens in 2016.

[Thinkingabout]

64. How about someone who voted for Trickled down?

[merrily]

67. What part of the difference between campaigning for Prez on Reagan being one of the ten

best Presidents in all of US history and privately voting for him (if Warren did) do you not understand?

What part of voting for him in the 1980s and running in 2008 on how great he was do you not understand?

Besides, how do you know Hillary did not vote for him? Either Hillary's a liar to the American voter or she really thought he was one of the 10 Best Presidents Ever and therefore, under her assessment, had a patriotic duty to vote for him. Has she ever said she did NOT do her patriotic duty (as she saw it) about that? Or, has she ever explained why she thought he was great for the country but NOT vote for him, anyway?

[merrily]

8. see, and I can't see how Hillary wins the primary She sure didn't in 2008, despite

starting out at least 30 points ahead of other candidate in the field. The more people see of her, the less they seem to favor her, even on her recent book tour--and most of her interviewers treated her with kid gloves, too.

[JI7]

17. that's because Obama ran against her and Obama has amazing talent in appealing to large

groups of people and coming out to support him. and even then it was still close .

[merrily]

32. Yes, cling to that.

[JI7]

33. so when do you think Warren will announce she is running ?

[merrily]

38. When did Hillary announce? Besides,

the universe of Dems does not consist of Hills and Liz, not even the universe of female Dems.

[JI7]

40. i think hillary will do it in february or march, when do you think WArren will do it ?

[merrily]

58. Good thing all of DU waited until early 2015 to act like Hillary was already President then.

[JI7]

60. so when do you think warren will announce she is running ?

[merrily]

63. No clue, but how many time do I have to post that, for me, that's not the be all or end all

before you get that is my answer?

[JI7]

66. so why did you ask when hillary was announcing ?

[merrily]

68. Why did I also say it was not that important because Hills and Warren are not the universe of

Dems, not even female Dems? Are both sentences of a very brief post too much to assimilate?

[JI7]

70. this thread isn't about the universe of dems , it waas specifically about the 2016 primary

[merrily]

72. So? You asked me a question (three times). That comment was relevant to my response.

Are you pretending that the thread topic somehow accounts for your ignoring what I posted or somehow precludes me from adding one sentence that is relevant to my response to a question you asked me? If neither, what is the point of your Reply 70?

[JI7]

74. it's just strange , you come on a thread about a specific issue

and have problems with people discussing that specific issue.

[merrily]

76. Nope. I seldom have a problem with people discussing things.

You're the one going all thread topic authoritarian because I dared answer a question you asked me the way that honestly expressed my view.

[JI7]

77. authoritarian ? for someone who says things about how it's not the universe when discussing a topic

that's another odd response.

[Thinkingabout]

69. And I dont see how Warren wins either, she doesnt have the experience and after

Her NO vote on ISIS Resolution don't see hoe she has the ability to understand the threw ISIS poses on the world.

[zappaman]

21. Music just doesn't get any better than that!

Well, maybe it does...

[Warren DeMontague]

22. I might support Clinton in the Primaries

thanks for that, btw

[hueymahl]

92. I could definitely support that Clinton!! NT

[merrily]

34. Yep, it sure do smell!

[earthside]

61. After watching that ...

... I'm even more convinced that Alice Walton's favorite Democrat is a loser.

That is exactly what the Hillary campaign will try and do: spin her into something we all know she isn't. A C&W music video is not going to turn Hill into a good ol' gal.

[Warren DeMontague]

75. As far as I can tell the only issue she's taken a real stand on is which Bible verse is her favorite

that, to me, does not bode well.

[hrmjustin]

23. I don't think Warren wants to run against Hillwry.

[hrmjustin]

19. she doesn't want to run.

[merrily]

36. Before he announced, Obama did not want to run in 2008. You just never know until it happens.

Or doesn't happen.

[hrmjustin]

39. True but Warren is being very clear she does not want to run and I tend to believe her.

My guess is she does not want to run against Hillary. It would likely be a bruising primary for both of them.

[merrily]

43. Obama was very clear too. Primaries are good for democracy. Coronations are not.

[hrmjustin]

45. Also true but i always thought there would be a primary. i just don't think Warren will run.

[merrily]

50. Really? I thought the effort to avoid a primary has been massive and, since 2012, uber obvious.

They REALLY don't seem to want Hillary opposed from the left.

[hrmjustin]

53. No one in the party can stop a primary.

There will be one. I think Hillary will win in the end.

Timd will tell.

[merrily]

57. Actually, they can do a lot toward that end; and they've sure been trying hard.

[hrmjustin]

59. If Sanders or Warren want to run they can't stop them.

[merrily]

85. You've already said the equivalent of that and I've already responded.

I don't know that simply repeating ourselves in different words serves much purpose?

There is theory and technicalities and then there is practical reality.

[hrmjustin]

86. ok.

[JI7]

56. there has been no effort to prevent anyone from running, Martin O'Malley has been campaigning

already but isn't getting much support. but nobody is stopping him or anyone else from trying to do so.

[NRaleighLiberal]

84. best line I've seen all day. Coronations are NOT democracy. Period.

perfectly stated.

[baldguy]

41. "Elizabeth Warren Rejects MoveOn’s Million Dollar Effort To Draft Her For 2016"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5936729

What will the Warren boosters do when Warren endorses some other Democrat for 2016?

[merrily]

47. We need primary candidates before we get to 2016 candidates.

[baldguy]

62. This is true.

And everything Warren has said about it indicates that Warren won't be one of them.

Yet we still have stupidities like the OP popping up...

[merrily]

65. So? No one charges you per thread. If you don't like the OP, hide thread is your friend.

It's amazing how desperate you all seem to make sure no one even hopes Warren will run

[baldguy]

87. Funny how you can cheer for someone you're certain is lying through her teeth

And who you have so little respect for.

[merrily]

89. Huh? Where did I cheer for anyone? I especially have not cheered for Hillary, the one for whom

I have so little respect. And what does that have to do with your belief you should not have to see threads like this on DU?

[baldguy]

95. Your think Warren is lying when she says she has no intention of running for President

And don't respect her enough to accept her decision.

I guess I just have more confidence in Warren's integrity, and in her ability to be honest & honorable, than you do.

[RiverLover]

96. She's never said she has no intention of running. Just that she isn't running now. No one is.

Not lying!!!!!!!!!!!!

[baldguy]

97. So, you just think she's not telling the truth.

"I'm not running for President."

"I think Hillary is terrific."



It's amazing how little the Warren boosters think of Warren's veracity.

[justiceischeap]

51. She's already endorsed Clinton months ago. Nt

[gwheezie]

46. Is she inevitable?

I have said this 1000 times. Let's see who runs and let's have a primary.

[Tatiana]

82. She's clearly testing the waters to see what type of reception she will get.

I think she's seriously considering it.

[brooklynite]

88. If only she wanted the job...

[Union Scribe]

91. Like I was telling my friend Cincinnatus over brunch

Those who would lead most capably often aren't seeking the power we want them to have.

[hueymahl]

93. +1000 NT

[brooklynite]

94. Powerful words...

...now all you need to do is convince Warren to give up the OTHER job you wanted her to have.

[True Blue Door]

99. We have found our 2016 *message*.

Our candidate depends on the resolution of many more variables.