Dick Cheney is a pussy.

[JaneQPublic]

And he is the worst kind of pussy:

The kind who talks tough but has never put himself in danger, only using his position of power to put others there.

The kind who never takes a risk except those that better himself personally.

The kind who never accepts accountability when things go wrong but instead throws his friends under the bus.

He is a pussy who sees the military as the solution to every problem, who got rich through war profiteering, and who should have served himself in the Vietnam War, but instead what did he do? He ran and hid to the Midwestern bastion of Liberalism -- Madison, WI -- to work on a doctoral degree he never actually received. No matter. Big pussy Cheney collected plenty of deferments, and that was all he was really working on.

So, tomorrow the pussy is going on MTP and Todd will no doubt grovel to him like a Bieber fangirl. Once, just once, I would love to see the pussy face really solid and thorough interrogation by a principled journalist. I'm not holding my breath, though.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

1. We call them "Chickenshit Chickenhawks"

The list is long, Cheney, W, Rumsfeld (served but never got anywhere near combat) and just about ALL of his cabinet other than Colin.

Reagan was famous for having all chickenshit chickenhawks as well.

[JaneyVee]

2. Pussy's are useful. He's a heartless Dick.

[clydefrand]

3. Oh, come on

lets not give pussy a bad name

[moriah]

4. You know, I never really got that comparison.

Men's genitals are weak, delicate, and easily harmed, plus hide when it's cold -- far more cowardly than female genitals, which are made to give birth.

[NuclearDem]

5. Hooray, misogynistic terminology!

[JaneQPublic]

16. Did you complain to "the Daily Show"?

They've been using the term "pussy" for years. Same with Colbert? How many emails have you sent them?

[NuclearDem]

20. Ah, the wonderful "whataboutism"

Did I ever say I approved of Stewart and Colbert using the term either?

[yuiyoshida]

255. Did this even go to a jury

so if it did it got to stand. Why is this term suddenly okay on this website?

[NaturalHigh]

256. Yes, it stood.

There is no consensus that says the word is offensive. In my experience, most people don't.

[yuiyoshida]

258. I find it offensive...

As much as the "C" word.

[NaturalHigh]

259. That's you prerogative.

It just doesn't mean that everyone else has to be offended by it.

[yuiyoshida]

260. NO everyone else can be just as

misogynistic, racist, xenophobic or be as much of a hater as they want to on this website. I refuse to fall in line, thank you very much.

[NaturalHigh]

261. Nobody is asking you to fall in line...

just as you should not expect others to fall in line.

[yuiyoshida]

262. This conversation is ended

with you.

[NaturalHigh]

263. Fair enough.

You have a pleasant day.

[yuiyoshida]

264. Don't even bother waving...

at me, I want nothing to do with anyone who is involved in allowing haters to get away with their crap on this website.

[NaturalHigh]

265. Is there another smilie you would prefer I used?

[boston bean]

268. You're just getting a lot of passive aggressive behavior aimed at you.

ignoring it is best.

[JTFrog]

269. Doesn't seem to be much passive left in there these days.

Every day they just get more and more emboldened.

[NaturalHigh]

272. What is so darned "emboldened" about disagreeing that a commonly used word...

is some sort of slur that should b banned from polite society?

[JTFrog]

273. "a commonly used word"

Not in my circles.

I'm sure no one prevents you from using it in your "polite society". So have at it.

Me, I'll continue the fight here to create a more welcoming environment for women.

[NaturalHigh]

276. "Not in my circles"

Do you have any friends who are into sports? I do, and the word is used all the time. It's no big deal, and it's never intended as any sort of slur towards women.

For the life of me, I don't understand when and how this became such a big deal.

[JTFrog]

281. It's obvious you don't understand.

"For the life of me, I don't understand"

Probably because it hasn't been your life on the line. Maybe if you were more aware of the history of that word being thrown at victims of horrible ridicule, bullying, bigotry and violence you'd be a little more sensitive.

Maybe.

Whether you think they matter in your circle or not (and lately we've all seen the attitudes prevalent in the sports world you reference),

Words Matter.

[NaturalHigh]

284. I don't deny that words matter...

but I do question the wisdom of making such a big deal out of them. Word banning is an awfully lot like book burning.

[pintobean]

286. "life on the line"

Has anyone that you know actually died over that word?

[NaturalHigh]

295. I wondered that too...

but I figured it would just lead to another post about how I don't "get" it.

[JTFrog]

299. Do you really care?

I don't have to give you examples from my own life. That's not something I do here anymore anyway.

And really, I don't find it necessary to google it or search through DU's history for you where this has been talked about for over a decade. I think it takes a lot of willful ignorance to deny that people have been bullied, beaten and driven to suicide while having that word thrown at them over and over again.

Once again, have to leave a thread because I find it hard to believe these discussions are being held in good faith.

[R B Garr]

309. You are right --these discussions are not in good faith.

They are just trying to get people angry enough so they can get posts hidden. It's pervasive with them now. "them"

[LanternWaste]

443. If someone offered a rational and sincere reason to its consistent use, it's quite possible

If someone offered a rational and sincere reason to its consistent use, it's quite possible that dialog may take place. However, as long as one merely digs their feet in, offers nothing other than rationalizations and justifications for its use, the user will merely earn their rightful place along side Don Quixote's ass, regardless of the imaginative crosses they construct from which to martyr themselves from...

[NaturalHigh]

532. I have a rational and sincere justification.

I hate it when people try to ban words in an effort to become ever more politically correct. It's as objectionable as book burning to me.

[Demonaut]

544. pusillanimous............nothing to do with a vagina

[yuiyoshida]

573. ooh thank you..

I enjoy learning new words..

[JTFrog]

592. pusillanimous........nothing to do with the OP.

Here is an interesting read:

http://anthrocentric.tumblr.com/post/81621685922/pussy-is-not-short-for-pusillanimous

1. It doesn’t make sense grammatically. Pusillanimous is an adjective — a describing word — not a noun. In the same way you can’t say “Don’t be a quiet” or “Don’t be a small” or “Don’t be a green” or “Don’t be a spicy”, you can’t say “Don’t be a pusillanimous.” You can’t tell people not to be a/an adjective.

~~~~~~~

TL;DR? Pussy is not short for pusillanimous. Going back through the research, the word is closely related to women, women’s genitalia, and weak, effeminate men. The use of the word to mean “coward” is offensive to both genders — somewhat more to women than to men — and if you have an ounce of maturity you will stop using it that way.

More at the link.

[JaneQPublic]

8. You are being far too logical.

moriah, what you say makes perfect sense. However, to people like Dick Cheney, if we call him a "Big Dick," they'll smirk and take it as a compliment. To him and his ilk, "pussy" is one of the worst things we could call them.

Nothing would be better than for the "Dick Cheney is a pussy" meme to spread at a viral pace.

[NuclearDem]

13. So would calling him a "f**"

Doesn't mean we sink to that level.

[Dr. Strange]

19. Doesn't mean YOU do.

But some people do. Sadly.

[BlueJazz]

52. With all due respect, a lot of people separate meanings very easily and almost unconsciously.

When I saw the post my first thought was "a man who is a "nasty weak prick" ...associating it with a woman never crossed my mind.
When I date and call someone dear, I don't think of Bambi.
I do understand your point of view though...

[1monster]

68. No, you call him a putz. That is never a compliment...

[Warpy]

136. Yeah, you can laugh "schmuck" off

but not "putz," even if they mean the same thing, generally speaking.

Calling somebody a putz to his face is not a good idea.

[CatWoman]

21. OK

He's a dick then

[Glassunion]

60. True

[Hekate]

91. Betty White said virtually the same thing but added: "Those things (vaginas) can take a pounding!"

So Dick Cheney may be a lot of things, but he's no pussy.

He's a putz. He's a Chickenhawk.

[Warpy]

135. I've been known to call him a petunia

They're delicate flowers, intolerant of strong desert sunshine and temperatures anywhere near freezing and require constant attention so they'll continue to bloom all season.

If that aint that pampered rich fuck, I don't know what is.

Then again, petunias are harmless, as far as we know, and that miserable Dick isn't. Still, it's an apt epithet when he tries to swagger and talk tough.

[Jamastiene]

227. Exactly. n/t

[Jamastiene]

226. Not to mention the abuse a woman's genitals have to take before giving birth too.

I never got the comparison either. If we really wanted to say Cheney is very weak, we could just call him a testicle...or weak or wimpy.

[JTFrog]

6. He's no kitty cat.

And I don't think vaginas are weak or bad. So, while your repeated use of a vulgar slur may have barely skimmed by a jury, I'll just say I find this OP woefully pathetic and lacking in imagination.

Chickenshit Chickenhawk is much more fitting.

You would make a lot of DUer's proud to see you edit or delete that shit.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. I doubt it is even alerted.

[JTFrog]

12. I wasn't the first alert.

It survived 3-4. Don't have results cuz I wasn't first.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. oh well, par for the course. I see DU is still about par level. Nice try, though.

Hope that you are enjoying a happy holiday season, JTFrog

[JTFrog]

22. Happy holidays to you too TA.

[ismnotwasm]

43. Here's the results

Mail Message
On Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:00 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Dick Cheney is a pussy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025955118

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

There are plenty of other words to express "cowardice", using a profane term for lady parts to express that idea is highly inappropriate for DU, not to mention shows sexist undertones, equating women or women's lady parts with cowardice. Not to mention equating them with Dick Cheney, an insult in and of itself.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:04 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm really torn here this is a long time DUer (2001) who's user name would indicate they are female so I'm not altogether sure the intent was to be misogynistic but they should also know better
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Funny - I was just going to add a comment to this OP, asking that some other word be substituted for "pussy" .
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Words can have multiple meanings and usages. Our hyper-sensitive political correctness is the problem here, not our words.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: My pussy has nothing to do with that fucking piece of shit. Offensive slang or not--don't be using a euphemism/slang term for my body part to describe that creep.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Gormy Cuss]

134. Woo hoo! Only one of the LEAVERs was brave enough to comment.

Typical. And juror #6 needs to learn the difference between "political correctness" and respect for others.

[NaturalHigh]

137. Generally when I vote to leave without comment...

it's because the alert wasn't worthy of the time to type it.

[Gormy Cuss]

138. So it follows that you think this alert wasn't worthy of comments, right?

After all, I didn't make a generic observation about jurors not leaving comments. It was specific to the set of jurors on this alert.

[NaturalHigh]

140. I wasn't on the jury if that's what you're asking.

If I had been, I definitely would have voted to leave it.

[Gormy Cuss]

142. No, that wasn't my question. I would have written "Were you a juror?" if I was asking that.

However, since you've now stated that you would have voted to leave it, I believe that answers my question.

[NaturalHigh]

144. Okay, cool.

[yuiyoshida]

257. Welcome to the new DU

"Our hyper-sensitive political correctness is the problem" THIS is why so many people have left this website.

[Jamaal510]

381. That's something

I would've expected from TheDailyPaul or Stormfront. When I first joined in April 2012, I never thought I'd see someone here whining about so-called "political correctness".

[pintobean]

14. I read that as

her alert already failed.

[JTFrog]

17. You are wrong as usual.

If I had been the first to alert, it would have been hidden.

[pintobean]

23. Lol. Is that so?

[JTFrog]

24. Guaranteed. n/t

[pintobean]

40. You know she knows just exactly what the facts is

[Comrade Grumpy]

42. Does she make her living as a detective down in Texas?

[pintobean]

44. Those lines ring a bell

but I can't place the song.

[NaturalHigh]

85. Here's a hint:

They played the song for Cam Newton when he came on the field for the Auburn - Alabama game a few years ago. Good times.

[Warren DeMontague]

164. What is "Take The Money And Run" by Steve Miller Band, Alex?

[pintobean]

312. That's it.

From the great "Fly Like an Eagle" album, which includes an awesome cover of "Mercury Blues".

[NaturalHigh]

86. Why?

Do you have some sort of special alert magic?

[ismnotwasm]

55. I don't want to kick this anymore

So I'm going to trash it after this reply

Yesterday, there was another gender baiting thread that didn't get any traction, this one is. I find it curious that someone would use terminology that detracts away from the subject-- Cheney and his basic cowardliness.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

58. I think that is the kindest/wisest thing to do since the OP can no longer participate =

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5955357

good to see you, ismnotwasm

Hope you are enjoying a Happy Holiday Season

[chervilant]

213. Straight to the trash,

plus, I've added a few to my IL. (Disgusted with the sexism among purported "liberals.&quot

[cwydro]

125. Every kind of slur is allowed on du

now.

Unbelievable.

[MissDeeds]

204. Apparently so

I thought this place was above this kind of crap. Apparently not. DU has fallen into the septic tank of discourse if this is okay. It used to be DU would be offended by this kind of offensive, sexist language. We used to rail against it. Not so much anymore, it seems.

[brush]

11. Oh it's okay.

Pussy is a good thing to most of us and we understand the context — pussy good, Cheney bad.

[JTFrog]

15. Welcome to ignore. n/t

[brush]

33. It's quite all right

I'm not a prude so I don't consider it a vulgar slur.

And why are so many making a big deal of this? We all agree with OP.

[JTFrog]

35. Are you implying that I am a prude?

Fucking classic. Guess I should have put you on full ignore the first time.

[brush]

36. Wait a minute, I thought I was on ignore. nt

[NuclearDem]

38. Don't be thick.

It's sexist because it assigns negative connotations to a part of the woman's body and reinforces the stereotype that women are weak.

[immoderate]

46. Context is everything. Give people some credit.

Words can have multiple meanings, and connotations.

--imm

[brush]

50. Thank you, immoderate.

Multiple connotations seems such an obvious thing.

[ismnotwasm]

45. Comparing a slang for my body part to Cheney isn't vulgar?

Prude? Are you fucking kidding me?

[TreasonousBastard]

414. But you have no objection to comparing a slang for MY body part to Cheney?

Why is that?

[NaturalHigh]

550. Why do I keep hearing the chirping of crickets?

[TreasonousBastard]

557. Because you are so consistently wrong?

And don't bother to answer the question.

[NaturalHigh]

560. I was referring to the question you asked the other poster.

I asked the same question of a couple of other people.

[TreasonousBastard]

565. Oh. Now I am thoroughly confused...

since I thought you were going off on me.

But, since I'm not going back into that thread, I shall live with the confusion, and even offer an apology if called for.

[NaturalHigh]

568. No problem.

I wasn't going off on you.

[pintobean]

7. ...

[darkangel218]

156. lol..

[pintobean]

158. Guess how many refills.

[darkangel218]

162. A lot, probably

[CJCRANE]

9. Change that to "wimp" or "wuss" and you'll get a boatload of recs.

Nevertheless, I agree with the OP in general.

[CatWoman]

25. here, here

[BB_Smoke]

462. Hear, hear

...is the correct term.

[NuclearDem]

32. Actually, you're a perfect example of why liberals are marginalized

Using sexist terminology isn't a good way to form coalitions.

[JaneQPublic]

34. That's right. Dems lost the last election because of sexist language.

Further, I strongly dispute the contention that this represents sexist language.

[NuclearDem]

37. Actually, they lost because of poor turnout.

But considering you missed the point entirely, I'm not surprised you think that's what I said.

EDIT: File that under "tempting fate"

[pintobean]

56. The voice of a strong woman silenced.

Your hidden post is a shame. I wonder how many of your accusers use that man's first name with a snicker.

[R B Garr]

76. You are concerned about strong women being silenced?

Really?

[pintobean]

79. Yes.

[R B Garr]

82. Yes. Yes, indeed.

You are very concerned about strong women being silenced.

[boston bean]

161. Many believe that the only strong women are the ones who put up with

misogynistic and sexist bullshit.

[R B Garr]

218. Good point. I see what you mean. n/t

[Sheldon Cooper]

59. Yeah, what's this country coming to when we can't denigrate women anymore?

I want my America baaaack!

[NCTraveler]

420. The responses here are because you wrote a blatantly sexist op.

The comments are more about your ability to intelligently write. You could have written the same thing using different words. You could have but you didn't. That is on you, not everyone else. You should put some thought into what you write. You might get a better reaction. Then again, if you don't see the blatant sexism in this, I doubt you will bring anything more thought out to your next op.

[Alittleliberal]

103. How are wimp or wuss any less sexist?

While more socially acceptable words they both imply the same thing that pussy does. That Dick isn't a man. Why is it different because those words don't sound as harsh?

[NuclearDem]

106. I don't endorse using any terminology that reinforces gender roles.

But my reply wasn't to that post. It was to the poster using p***y.

[lumberjack_jeff]

430. Disagree. Wimp and wuss are synonyms with weak and cowardly.

They are not sexed terms.

[steve2470]

66. +1 nt

[world wide wally]

26. I expect he'll be on Mt Rusmore pretty soon

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. While I agree wholheartedly with your basic point,

you might want to avoid the use of the word "pussy" in this context; it's sexist.

[undeterred]

39. + a brazilion

[steve2470]

74. +1 nt

[rickford66]

28. His parents were smart enought to name him "Dick"

[olddots]

30. I've always considered him

THE DEVIL'S DINGLEBERRY .

[still_one]

31. He is an asshole

[demmiblue]

41. I think you posted this OP using misogynistic terminology in order to troll DU. Unrec.

Edit: You cannot reply because you had a post hidden. Perhaps the other trolls in this thread will have your back.

[CatWoman]

47. whereas I'm not a "troll"

I don't have a problem at all with the terminology.

[ismnotwasm]

49. Neither am I and I do

Can we agree that Cheney is one evil motherfucker?

[R B Garr]

75. "Perhaps the other trolls in this thread will have your back."

Perfectly said, and so true.

[benz380]

48. Sorry, couldn't get past your insensitive title to read the rest. nt

[MisterP]

73. how are cats offensive?

[benz380]

87. That's an insult to cats!

[darkangel218]

89. True that..

[darkangel218]

88. lol!!! nt

[DrDan]

51. I prefer the word "coward" - it just seems to describe him better

[sarisataka]

53. Quite Orwellian

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Dick is Pussy


It is an incorrect analogy however. Over the years I have done quite a few things to pussies in order to hear a purr or other positive response.

I just want to punch Dick.

[pintobean]

57. This will be the luck of the draw

as to jurors. I guarantee it gets alerted.

[Glassunion]

163. Op stands... Yet this get a hide.

go figure

IMHO, both should get a hide.

[steve2470]

168. +1 nt

[DawgHouse]

293. Makes no sense nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

61. Is it okay to call him a wuss?

[99Forever]

62. dick cheney is an Evil Coward.

I'll pass on your use of juvenile sexist terminology to describe him. I've known some extremely brave people with both kinds of plumbing. You do a disservice to both.

[steve2470]

63. Pussy is misogynistic, and yes, I'm a man in real life

time to delete that and say weakling or something appropriate.......

[marble falls]

597. [phone]

[vlyons]

64. Don't compare my vagina to Dick Cheney!

Good grief! I'm so tired of people using vulgar street words for female sexuality to imply cowardice and major character flaws. Let's get one thing straight, female genetalia is beautiful, natural, and in no way "less" or cowardly. If you want to call someone cowardly, say "cowardly." Or how about pisillanamous, gutless, spineless.

Dick Cheney is an evil genius, a sociopath, hypocrite, racist, arrogant, criminal.

[darkangel218]

90. The word "pussy" also refers to cats

[JTFrog]

113. What an odd response.

That has absolutely zero to do with the OP.

Does this really sound like a discussion about tabbies and calico kitties to you?

"So, tomorrow the pussy is going on MTP and Todd will no doubt grovel to him like a Bieber fangirl"

[darkangel218]

115. Im only stating the facts.

Did I lie that the word mentioned above refers to cats as well?

My cat is pretty skittish. She's afraid if her own shadow

[Kali]

223. interesting how somebody who so often seeks attention for being born out of the US and ESL

and who has such animosity towards members (real and imagined) of HoF, would come "explain" the word pussy to a member of DU.

[sabrina 1]

232. Actually she is correct. The words 'pussy cat' was often used and probably

still is in other countries, to describe someone who was weak, 'you're a scaredy pussy cat'.

The different use of the word here in the US is relatively recent.

I spent a lot of time in Europe growing up and never heard it used there to describe a woman's vagina. It was always used to imply that someone was frightened, like a kitten, weak, scared.

The US has its own slang, now distributed around the world through TV and Movies, and other countries have theirs.

Dick Cheney is a weak, cowardly War Criminal and no matter what words people use to describe him, that is what the name DICK CHENEY evokes.

In fact his name should be used as an Epithet.

"You are a Dick Cheney"!

I can't think of a worse insult frankly.

[JTFrog]

270. And in England a "fag" is a cigarette.

Doesn't make it okay to use that language here when obviously not talking about cigarettes. Same goes for the OP.

Dick Cheney is a scum sucking chickenhawk piece of shit stinking up the entire world. No one here doubts that. And I would have no trouble calling an asshole a "Cheney".

But I do have a problem with all these ridiculous comments about cats. Give us just a tad more credit than that please.

Thanks.

[sabrina 1]

371. Being unaware or intolerant of other people's cultures is probably

why this country gets into other people's business and is able to drag more than half the country along, invading, killing and torturing people simply due to ignorance.

You can do with the information you were provided with what you wish, but the fact is, the word 'pussy' meaning vagina, is an American invention.

Other countries do call cats 'pussies'. Facts are facts no matter how much someone doesn't like them.

Knowledge is power, even trivial information can only enhance communication and tolerance.

[TreasonousBastard]

373. Apparently, not around here...

I find it hilarious that an attack on a common foe is controversial over one lousy word that is misunderstood.

This is, of course, not the first time this has happened, with the main point of a post diverted over some ridiculously trivial misunderstanding or argument. And not one of the people in such absolute horror over this word would ever admit the slimmest of possibilities that the use of dick, or prick, could have some equivalent sexist meaning.

One could be forgiven for suspecting that people getting in such a tizzy over a word are trying to destroy this place.

It certainly makes it difficult to take it seriously, or engage in truly free speech while here.

[sabrina 1]

384. If a word is more important to someone than the murder and torture of untold

numbers of human beings, that person needs to start asking some questions about their priorities in this world, imho.

The word 'Cheney' should strike such horror in the hearts of decent people that when they see it, all they should be thinking about are the crimes against humanity he has committed.

In the real word, you do not encounter this phenomenon, this obsessive concentration on trivia to the exclusion of everything else, no matter how important.

I have yet to experience a serious conversation being derailed because someone at the table began to yell about a particular word that they find offensive.

[NuclearDem]

387. FAIL, FAIL, and FAIL again.

[sabrina 1]

391. Cheney is a War Criminal. When I see his name I think of the dead children

of Fallujah, their burned faces from the White Phospherous, another criminal act by him and his criminal cohorts, laid out on the ground.

I think of a woman named Noor, who was raped and tortured in one of his gulags in Iraq.

I wish the people who are all in a tizzy over a WORD they find offensive would find the rapes of the women and sodomy of children in our gulags, as offensive. I'd love to see the outrage I see over one word, over those victims of our foreign policies.

[NuclearDem]

395. I just counted over half a dozen OPs on Cheney on the first two pages in GD.

The only one I see you posting in this one, so spare me the faux strawman outrage.

In fact, what I see is you suggesting women (and men, in fact) who are sick and tired of that stupid sexist word are distracting from Cheney's war crimes.

In fact, you did the same damn thing several months ago during the Rude Pundit fiasco, except then it was the LGBT community angry about terminology.

Could you maybe, just possibly assume people posting on DU view Cheney as a chickenshit war criminal, and that maybe some of them have other issues to bring up? Or do you just have complete and utter contempt for our minorities?

Oh, and nice work dangling dead Iraqi children and Cheney's other victims out to cover for your despicable agenda.

[sabrina 1]

401. This thread is about Cheney and his war crimes. Why are you trying to distract

from that? And look at all the attention you are drawing to a word. Yet, I have not seen you once talk about those dead men, women and children, nor about the women who were raped, just about a word.

And why are you following me around btw? How do you know where I post or what I post, I have no clue where you post. I find that extremely offensive, creepy in fact, to go back months and remember what someone said out of tens of thousands of posts.

[NuclearDem]

403. Not following you around here at all.

It took me all of two minutes to check the Cheney OPs on the first two pages of GD and see if your name was among the posters. It wasn't, except for this one, and one would think for someone so concerned about Cheney's war crimes, you would be firing left and right in those threads as well.

And not just, say, in this thread, where you conveniently bring up Cheney's crimes to distract from a legitimate discussion about the use of the word p***y. The same way you distracted from a legitimate discussion of the phrase "eat a dick" some months ago.

As for me, I prefer not to discuss specifics of that bloodsucking psychopath's war crimes due to the fact I'm a veteran of his sick wars with post traumatic stress and have difficulties talking about them.

[polly7]

412. Sabrina has been reporting on Cheney's war crimes for

a decade here.

You?

[NuclearDem]

416. I'll let you reread my post.

[polly7]

421. Awww, how kind of you. Have you been trying to inform people

of the evil *'k's crimes for a decade, or not???

I'll let you go back and read what you've accused her of.

[NuclearDem]

422. You must have missed this part:

As for me, I prefer not to discuss specifics of that bloodsucking psychopath's war crimes due to the fact I'm a veteran of his sick wars with post traumatic stress and have difficulties talking about them.

But please, continue.

[polly7]

429. Many of us have relatives lost in wars or who have come home with

horrible physical and emotional injuries. I am very, very sorry for what you've been through, but you should realize also that Sabrina, among many others here has posted hundreds of posts/articles protesting this horror and likely has people she knows with the same issues you have. Having a different view on a stupid word is inconsequential in relation to the horrors of a lying invasion that has ruined the lives of millions - she's been one of the most passionate posters here regarding all of this. You can just call me a Sabrina groupie, because I believe she's known more about all of this from the start than most others, as well as being someone who DOES believe in equality for all, including women. A word shouldn't be used to distract from a message that is 100% correct, he was too much of a chicken-shit to serve himself, but more than willing to send people to kill and be killed, or come home with those terrible injuries.

[NuclearDem]

433. Missed the point entirely.

My issue is not with people discussing and reporting on Cheney's crimes. They need to be discussed. My issue is over the use of certain terminology to discuss them; the discussion over whether or not we deem it acceptable to use misogynistic or homophobic terms in these discussions is one we need to have.

The subsequent issue that comes up--which was the whole point of my discussion with Sabrina, both now and several months ago--is when people rush in to tell people with legitimate grievances over those words that their concerns are irrelevant or don't matter. It shows complete and utter contempt for the minorities who bring issues important to them to light.

Additionally, my point about my own psychological wounds from Cheney's wars has absolutely nothing to do with other people who have suffered. It was a response to the stupid whataboutism intended to imply I don't care about Cheney's crimes; the reason I don't discuss them as others do is because it's extremely and unnecessarily painful for me to do so.

And again, as I said earlier, there were over half a dozen OPs on Cheney last night on the first two pages of GD, and the only sabrina was posting in was this one, and almost exclusively to tell people their concerns don't matter.

[polly7]

435. Nah, I got your point.

Words that don't mean what you need them to mean are more important than the actual issue - which is - Cheney is a chicken-shit who sent others to do his dirty work, including torture. You're fixated on Sabrina and completely ignore the FACT that she's posted about this for a decade.

Get over your obsession with how she doesn't post the way you want and have a look through her posting history on Cheney's chicken-shit role in this horror. I can't believe how much can be made of one little, tiny word that I'v ALWAYS associated with being a scaredy-cat - and I really don't need to hear from you how wrong that is ..... we're all allowed our own interpretations, and I appreciate that others have theirs. It's too bad you can't do the same, instead of personally blaming someone who's brought more information on all of this to this board than most - because she doesn't agree with you. It's gotten pathetic. jmhfo.

[NuclearDem]

437. No, you clearly didn't.

Words that don't mean what you need them to mean are more important than the actual issue - which is - Cheney is a chicken-shit who sent others to do his dirty work, including torture.

Cheney's crimes are important.

Terminology is also important.

This is not zero-sum.

You're fixated on Sabrina and completely ignore the FACT that she's posted about this for a decade.

Utterly irrelevant. My issue is not with her previous posting about Cheney--it's about her posting about how certain issues are irrelevant in light of Cheney's crimes. She treats it like a zero-sum game, which it isn't.

You would know that if you'd read my post:

My issue is not with people discussing and reporting on Cheney's crimes. They need to be discussed. My issue is over the use of certain terminology to discuss them; the discussion over whether or not we deem it acceptable to use misogynistic or homophobic terms in these discussions is one we need to have.

Get over your obsession with how she doesn't post the way you want

You realize this discussion came out of her obsession over how people aren't posting about Cheney the ways she wants, right?

Which, again, was something I mentioned in my post:

The subsequent issue that comes up--which was the whole point of my discussion with Sabrina, both now and several months ago--is when people rush in to tell people with legitimate grievances over those words that their concerns are irrelevant or don't matter. It shows complete and utter contempt for the minorities who bring issues important to them to light.

because she doesn't agree with you.

No, it's because of her tone deaf and arrogant response to people with grievances that don't align with her own.

[polly7]

438. She's definitely not the one with the obsession. Look in a mirror. nt.

[NuclearDem]

439. Speaking of obsession...

[polly7]

444. I take it you checked out that mirror ...... good job! nt.

[sabrina 1]

440. Thank you polly, I always find it creepy when someone digs back into

someone else's posts, and remembers stuff and twists it, from long ago about a particular person. I don't know where they get the time to do that, and yes, it does scream 'obsession', not with any issue, but with an individual.

For the record, my initial post on this was to defend someone who was telling the truth about the word 'pussy' and its use as an insult. She came under attack for stating a fact. I supported her because she was correct.

This poster jumped into the thread, and you can see for yourself the abusive, personal attacks which have zero effect on the facts regarding this word.

When someone equates a word to the horrific crimes committed by Cheney, including the rape of women and sodomy of children I wonder 'what is the real motive here'. Especially when they are claiming they care about women. Anyone who cares about women would know of the horrors committed against them throughout these criminal wars and knowing that, could never, ever focus on a word rather than the crimes themselves.

[polly7]

445. YEP.

When I think about the women at Abu Ghraib sending out notes that said "Please KILL ME" after the horrors they witnessed and went through ...... a thread completely derailed over a word that many have never even associated with women seems completely *'ed up, but I know you and I both agree that everyone is entitled to their own interpretation of a word. Ignoring Cheney's role in the horrors and trauma for these women he damned well knew would suffer unbearably in his brutal, lying war and obsessing over someone who disagrees with a tiny little word is just strange .... especially the personal attacks over it. Weird.

[R B Garr]

446. Yet you are bringing up an old thread with --no doubt--

your usual misinterpretations, when just a couple posts ago you were supporting Sabrina for taking umbrage over someone remembering what she previously posted. Now that is lulz -- and that's how you know this thread is over.

[polly7]

448. What old thread am I bringing up???

No idea what you're going on about, the 'lulz' (not really, more like fascination that a word that some don't see as you so takes precedence over torture - including that of women) are on your part, apparently. The thread is over? Nah .......... you don't get to decide. When I see someone unfairly attacked, especially someone who I believe cares more about those women who indeed were tortured than any of those mocking her for not agreeing with the meaning of a word, I get to speak up. Is that okay with you .... no? Too bad.

[sabrina 1]

452. Thanks polly. The word that should get everyone's attention

in this OP who cares about women, should be 'CHENEY'.

And for most people it appears that that is the case, thankfully.

[sabrina 1]

451. I'll take polly's history of compassion and support for the REAL victims

of Cheney's Crime over the small group that I have yet to see even mention them here.

I don't like being stalked, online or anywhere else and as a woman I find it particularly creepy coming from someone who claims to have so much 'concern' for women.

Cheney's crimes include the torture and sodomy of children. The rape of women, stories we, people like Polly, and me among others have followed since they began, in the fall of 2003.

To see the reaction to Cheney here from, I know it's just a few, people obsessing over a word in light of the suffering of those women, not to mention our own female troops who also have been raped and abused, again thanks to the criminals who started all of this.

Priorities, what should they be, a 'word' that is offensive to some people, or the mulitudes of crimes committed by this monster?

That's an easy question to answer for most of us who were there from the beginning. Trying desperately to stop it.

You too seem more interested in 'getting' someone on the internet than in the subject of this OP. Which was, Cheney, monster, war criminal and the very mention of THAT WORD, Cheney, for those who have struggled for more than a decade to stop those crimes, only REMINDS them of the crimes. THAT is the only word that stands out to me, CHENEY!

[R B Garr]

453. It's hard to take you seriously with so many false equivalencies.

It's like you talk to your audience for kudos without regard to context.

How dare you say or imply that other posters here do not care about torture or the victims of torture. I've seen polly do the same thing, and it's shameful how you want to co-opt compassion and benevelence for some online gotcha game.

The rest of your false equivalencies and moral crusading are shameful and phony, as well.

It's also completely laughable how you talk out of both sides when you say it's a FACT that Cheney is a pussy. That most certainly cannot be a fact; it's just opinion. If you do say that Cheney is a murdering criminal, then he can't be a pussy at the same time. Enough with this nonsense.

[sabrina 1]

454. I always consider the source in this kinds of discussions. You must have noticed

that other people's opinions of ME, (btw, I am not the topic of this OP, Cheney is, you might want to direct some of your ire towards that POS, War Criminal, Liar, Torturer and Murderer, rather than people like me), don't matter much to me.

Oh, and if you can, and I know I am being facetious here, because I know you can't, could you provide something from me that comes even close to this from you:

It's also completely laughable how you talk out of both sides when you say it's a FACT that Cheney is a pussy.

The fact that to most people around the world the word 'pussy', as I have already stated, is used to imply someone is as 'weak as a pussy cat', would preclude ME from using that word to describe him. It is an insult to cats. Kitties are sweet, lovable creatures.

My feelings about Cheney are so strong that such a word would never be used by me to describe him. He is a MONSTER with no saving graces that I have ever seen. He certainly isn't a 'pussy' by any means.

But go right ahead and provide some proof of your wild claims.

Btw, which word is more offensive to you? CHENEY or pussy?

[R B Garr]

456. LMAO! What "ire"? More embellishing for your audience....

Look up your own posts in this thread where you talk about "facts" "pussy" and "Cheney". It's all there for you to read.

Now calling Cheney a MONSTER -- that's more like it. But he's not a pussy, not even in the most literal term you want to ascribe to him. That's one of the reasons this thread was such an eyebrow-raiser (to me, anyway). He is not fearful and he's not feminine, so the whole premise looked more like the flamebait that it was.

[sabrina 1]

510. Wrong, Cheney is extremely fearful. Are you seriously saying he's courageous? Coward

is too mild a word for this excuse for a human being.

He was FOR the war in Vietnam but was too FEARFUL for his own precious self to go, getting five deferments while others went to fight in a war HE supported.

Cheney defines the word FEARFUL. The man is hiding from the world, protected in his 'undisclosed location' because he is so FEARFUL.

[polly7]

457. ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................. nt.

[R B Garr]

458. Did you find what you said in post 445, but then forgot?

Talk about ZZZZZZzzzzzzz as in lulzzzzzzz. You come in with guns ablazing to tear someone down for remembering something Sabrina previously said, and you do that by....wait for it.....remembering something previously said.


"When I think about the women at Abu Ghraib sending out notes that said "Please KILL ME" after the horrors they witnessed and went through ...... a thread completely derailed over a word..."

Although I've never seen your recollections be very accurate, so I doubt it went down the way you said, which is why it's lulZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz.

[polly7]

459. You should write fiction novels.

You're very dramatic and inventive, especially with the words of others.

Maybe hire a ghost writer though, because yes .................. you are just a tad boring with all of your false memories and the shit you dredge up about anyone disagreeing with your authoritarian, bullying, stalkish bullshit.

[R B Garr]

460. You just wrote post 445 today. I responded to it and then quoted you from it.

Why would I hire a ghost writer to copy and paste your own words.

[polly7]

461. I wrote what I wrote, I always mean every word I write.

You don't like it? Too bad.

[R B Garr]

472. I'm sure you do mean every word you write.

But that seems to be the problem.

[polly7]

473. Deep.

Glad to see you having so much fun on a fucking torturer thread. I don't really think the problem lies with me.

Carry on .......

[R B Garr]

476. Why are you getting all emotional now?

And spare me your torture blanket as if you type it first it makes you superior. It's really phony.

[polly7]

478. I'm not emotional at all. Just a bit disgusted. I really don't enjoy

talking about torture like it's something to throw little 10 y/o insults about. So maybe you should just stop. It's really juvenile.

[R B Garr]

482. Almost everything I've seen from you is emotional.

Please calm down.

[polly7]

483. Really??? Are you sure you're reading the right posts when you make such

a strange claim? When I'm emotional, you'll know it .... no worries there.

[R B Garr]

485. You must mean when you're NOT emotional

Then what you said makes sense.

[polly7]

491. Now you're just getting a bit creepy. nt.

[R B Garr]

494. Another Rovian fail.

Please quit obsessing. "lists" "my groups" Where does that come from...they are your words.

[polly7]

498. lmfao. Keep trying ........... nt.

[R B Garr]

500. Tsk, look at you laughing in a torture thread.

You just chastised for laughing at you in this TORTURE thread.

[polly7]

502. Well, you have to admit it's funny to see someone claim that saying something 'once'

is my 'fav'. I mean, honestly ....... what are you reading? Two boards at once? I think you've gotten confused in this very long, very stupid sub-thread and should go back and perhaps do quite a bit of editing, your spin is starting to seem a bit Fauxy.

[R B Garr]

507. Your reponses are all the same. In fact, I'm waiting for

the "precious" word, as in my precious torture. Deep is a consistent response. As is, ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz. Very predictable. Oh, and you say you're bored with someone yet spend all your time posting about them. Stuff like that.

[polly7]

509. Ick. nt.

[R B Garr]

518. Deep.

[pintobean]

463. Keeping it kicked, I see.

The recs have ticked up a little, too.
Keep up the good work.

[R B Garr]

466. And you didn't get anyone locked out

per your usual methods.

[polly7]

469. Hey now .......... that's your agenda.

And many of us know and expect it. But, good try.

[R B Garr]

471. Nice Rovian tactic there. "many of us"

lol, yeah, I can't imagine who those folks might be.

[polly7]

475. Oh, I'm quite sure you can.

Check out your list. Better ask your group for the most recent one first though.

[R B Garr]

477. No need to get so emotional about this.

"My group"..."your list". Deep.

[polly7]

479. Derp.

[R B Garr]

484. Deep.

Oh, yeah, and your fav: ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[polly7]

489. My 'fav'. Once. Lmao.

You seem to have some sort of little childish thing for me tonight, is that normal for you to stalk with little childish insults against anyone who disagrees that torture shouldn't be dismissed and derailed by a simple world that not everyone in the world agrees with you on? Being called a pussy in my world has always meant you're a scaredy cat - you don't agree, fine. I appreciate that others see it as a sexual slur and don't use it, myself, but I certainly am confused as to why a torturing fuck of a human being imposter has a whole thread derailed into little baby jokes and accusations of being 'emotional'. Btw ........ isn't that sexist? Maybe you need to practice what you preach.

You should try not to get so emotional and unhappy and realize there are 7 billion people plus who have a right to their own opinions and even a right to express them.

[R B Garr]

493. Please calm down. No need to overthink this.

[polly7]

497. Not that much thinking needed to reply to your ..........

whatever they are. I'm not sure if you really think talk of Cheney and torture is a joke, or if you're just too 'emotionally' involved in hunting down those you hate for not grovelling to you. No answer necessary as I really don't care, but it's strange. Almost like you're 'baiting' to get people to get posts hidden. Have you heard that women at Abu Ghraib were begging for someone to just kill them? Did you see the pictures, hear the screams of little boys sodomized? Oh no, that's right ......... they haven't been released yet. How about the pic of the little girl collecting water from a river with corpses floating in the same frame? No? Somehow, I doubt you have all that much interest. Which is why your pathetic baiting game is so sick and sad. I get very emotional when I think of all of the things that have happened there and at Gitmo and every black site ............. bickering back and forth with an anonymous baiter on a message board over a little word you can't force me to agree with you on? - not so much.

[R B Garr]

505. oh, please. I saw your GBCW meanderings in your profile

when you got 5 posts hidden, and you implied some really shitty things about Americans (i.e., the posters here) being complicit with torture. What you wrote and implied was truly bizarre and off base. Your schtick of hiding behind torture and some ancient message board vendettas is very well known.

[polly7]

508. About 'Americans'????

Oh myyyyyy .............. now the lies are really starting, eh?!? I said not one word about torture, or 'Americans'. I said, please don't let them bomb the world, especially for the sake of the children - my exact words. I have ALWAYS included Canada as being complicit in every dirty NATO deed, but how would you know? You're more interested in stalking and lying about people here who don't grovel to you. I said 'Really shitty things about Americans' - is a fucking lie!!!!!!!

You've really crossed the line into disgusting and dishonest. Your schtick just made itself known, but thanks, now I really know what I'm dealing with. I came into this thread because I have been reading here and saw Sabrina being attacked for being a humane person who cares more for real torture than those who choose to USE it as a bait thread. If I choose to stay, I will, if I don't, I won't. But don't you ever lie about me again.

[R B Garr]

517. You also said in your profile you weren't coming back

yet here you are.

You also edited that profile more than once since nothing you say is consistent.

You're all over the road. I don't appreciate your implying that Americans are complicit in torture .

Now quit getting so emotional.

[polly7]

528. Omgosh the lies just fly from you.

I just stated above, exactly what I said. Wish I had a screen cap, you're really something, heh?? Do you own the board? Should I ask your permission? I never mentioned Americans, or torture in my profile, which is really none of your business anyway, but since we're talking torture - Cheney, Bush, Rummy, Yoo et al and all of those who did the dirty deeds are what, Nigerians?

Now quit getting all sexist and hypocritical with your continual 'emotional' accusations. I really, really respond badly to lies and liars, but I don't let it bother me personally. You're just a little stalker trying your hardest on a message board, after all.

ETA: Here ............ might be a nice vacation for you - November at the Bridge Inn, Santon Bridge. Cumbria, England. But, practice, practice, practice!!! I'd be rooting for you.

[sabrina 1]

614. According to the latest polls, Americans ARE complicit in torture. That is a very sad fact!

Why do you deny facts so often? I would LOVE those polls to have shown that Americans are NOT complicit in torture, but I will NEVER deny facts simply because they are inconvenient.

How about your position on torture? You haven't said a word about a single issue, just other DUers.

[pintobean]

480. 75 recs

Keep kicking.

[R B Garr]

486. And still you failed at locking anyone out.

It looks like they're on to you.

[pintobean]

488. 76.

You've got the touch!

[R B Garr]

490. Yet, the OP got locked out of his/her own thread.

You must be furious about that. Maybe it's not that good after all. Maybe it was made for crap like this.

[pintobean]

496. Furious? It's hilarious.

As far as hidden posts go, you're giving hers more bang for the buck than I've ever seen. I would imagine she's laughing her ass off.

[R B Garr]

499. So have you counted how many times everyone has posted yet?

You love to count the posts -- oh, and the recs. Talk about hilarious.

[pintobean]

501. 500 posts, 77 recs

You're kickin' it!

[polly7]

503. He/she certainly is on a mission!

Bad day for fishing though, I guess.

[pintobean]

512. Lol. There's nothing on the hook

and no worms in the can.

[R B Garr]

506. No, silly. You count each posters total and announce that

from time to time. You love that.

The thread total is obvious since it's right on the front page.

[sabrina 1]

487. Lol, if I didn't want to see a particular word used, the last thing I would

do is to allow someone to lure me into kicking that thread.

This thread probably would have been gone in about 30 minutes had it not been for those who think there is any word in the dictionary that is worse than the word 'CHENEY'!

[pintobean]

492. She accused me of kicking it to get more recs

She must have the most posts in the thread.

[sabrina 1]

495. Irony isn't dead. I just rec'd it now because it's a shame to let all that work go to

waste.

Cheney would love this thread btw.

This is the kind of tactic he and his fellow war criminal Karl Rove would think up to distract people from talking about HIM.

[sabrina 1]

536. Polly is a woman so she must be 'emotional' no? Women who stand

up for themselves are ALWAYS 'emotional'. What a sexist personal attack that is.

If you cannot dispute what someone is saying then just admit it, but to go after women with the same old sexist personal attacks instead? I thought at least here women could post without that kind of garbage, that they would at least be treated as equals here.

This thread is about Cheney the War Criminal. Why are you making it about other DUers? Especially it seems, female DUers?

[R B Garr]

541. "dispute" what someone is saying? I just copied the words

she wrote. You two got caught trying to teach someone a lesson and malign them for being "stalkers", yet you both went back into the past yourselves. But if you do it, it's fine. lol.

I have to laugh at your moral crusades, which you hide behind to bash other people as if you have the moral upper ground. Dont' get me wrong, some of you other posts are okay and I've agreed with them, but you make so many false equivalencies.

[polly7]

546. You sure do make up a lot of bullshit.

I guess as long as it keeps you busy ...........

[R B Garr]

552. I copied your own words. You just got caught up

in your own tactics to wrongly malign another poster -- something I've seen you do for quite awhile now.

[polly7]

554. Keep going ........ you'll need to do better than that though.

Like I said, practice, practice!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Biggest_Liar

[polly7]

543. She/he's on a mission, Sabrina.

I just got back to reading here because of it happening before and had no intention of posting, but happen to love this place and many of the people in it. When I see someone unfairly attacked and things like TORTURE made a mockery of, I respond to the stalking, baiting, insulting posts, a weakness, I guess. I know exactly what they're doing, and it's beyond pathetic. People who supposedly care about women ignoring the torture of women at Abu Ghraib and all of those widows and wives wondering for years where their husbands are and how they're surviving to berate another woman using sexist, ignorant terms is just the norm here for some. The hypocrisy is (was) stunning, but it's happened so many times to some of us that it's just expected.

[sabrina 1]

549. Yes, absolutely. For years I've wondered why our foreign policies which

are so damaging to women get no traction from those claiming to care about women here. And anyone who DARES to mention the despicable treatment of women, the torture, the horrific rapes and, I remember not wanting to believe it at the time, the sodomy of children, is consistently attacked here.

It seems to really anger a few people here when people dare to mention the horribly sexist brutality against women by our own government.

I remember those women. The letters they somehow managed to get out begging their 'brothers' to blow up the prison because what was being done to them was so horrible.

At first I didn't WANT to believe it. But after the exposure of the videos of Abu Ghraib we learned that there were dozens more videos. And members of Congress viewed them to determine if they too should be released.

'We are talkiing about murder, rape, torture here' said Lindsey Graham to CHENEY who was trying to stop the hearings at the time.

Later it was verified that the women's letters were true. But we weren't allowed to see those videos, however I remember the drawings of the woman, presumably Noor, and I'm almost glad we didn't get to see those videos, for her sake.

I know you will always stand up for what is right, which is why I have so much respect for you.

[polly7]

551. Thank you, and I've read everything you've written here for a decade

and appreciate seeing the empathy and compassion for these women and human beings all over the world from you. It gives me hope, and I've learned so much from your posts.

Torture is probably the most sickening thing a person can do to another. Imagining all of those left behind knowing their relative went through hell just churns my stomach. I honestly can't imagine what I would do if it were mine.

[sabrina 1]

555. I can't imagine either. I do remember having to force myself sometimes

to read some of what was happening to them. I also remember the courageous Civil Liberties Lawyers who took on cases when they were being called 'traitors' by ignorant right wingers and at a time when the propaganda claiming those in Gitmo 'were the worst in the world'.

And I remember Cheney's sneering face as he tried to justify the crimes.

For anyone to see the word 'Cheney' without remembering these horrors, to be distracted by ANYTHING else, let alone a word, boggles the mind frankly.

I hope we see these monsters pay for their crimes, and the only way that can happen is if people focus on them and the torture report and seize this moment to keep the spotlight on the monsters who shamed this country, rather than try to distract from it.

On the good side of this thread, it has over 12,000 views now thanks to those who saw only one word which means that thousands of people did see the OP about Cheney's crimes which might have disappeared in half an hour otherwise.

[polly7]

558. Seeing them frog-marched to The Haque is a dream of mine.

Along with anyone from any country that enabled them. Regardless, they'll rot in hell and yes, thanks to this thread lol and social media calling for their heads for their sickening crimes - more and more will know just how horrible they were.

[sabrina 1]

562. Yes, Tony Blair comes to mind! He is as bad as Cheney imo. Liar, war criminal

from what I've read, a religious fanatic.

[polly7]

564. The 'Tony Blair Faith Foundation'!!

All good torturers claim to be religious.

I really hope the Brits get the 6000 pages of that report they're asking for. I have a suspicion he's in as deep as anyone.

[pintobean]

580. Yes I did

Bob597 made a lewd comment to GC. I alerted, it was hidden, and MIRT took out the garrbage.

Alerting is the only method I know.

[R B Garr]

581. I knew you would be keeping track of it all!

You love these clusterfuck threads. You're in all of them. GC? Well, as long as you're keeping track. I have no idea who GC is, lol.

[sabrina 1]

514. In post #445 Polly referred to THIS thread. Not to any other thread.

If that was meant to be a gotcha moment, it failed due to the fact that you either didn't read it, or you completely misinterpreted the comment.

When I think about the women at Abu Ghraib sending out notes that said "Please KILL ME" after the horrors they witnessed and went through ...... a thread completely derailed over a word that many have never even associated with women seems completely *'ed up, but I know you and I both agree that everyone is entitled to their own interpretation of a word. Ignoring Cheney's role in the horrors and trauma for these women he damned well knew would suffer unbearably in his brutal, lying war and obsessing over someone who disagrees with a tiny little word is just strange .... especially the personal attacks over it. Weird.

She is referring to THIS thread. So where in that comment did she go searching for other threads?

[R B Garr]

516. omg. Please. From the top. Obviously it was that thread.

LOL.

Now you and polly both (though she already forgot that post 445 right after she wrote it just today), you are both doing exactly what you said was creepy when someone did it to you -- which was simply remembering something you wrote.

Seriously, this is beyond pathetic.

[polly7]

530. I never went to look at another thread - for anything .......... why would I?

How pathetic.

[R B Garr]

537. I copied your own words. Then you forgot what you wrote.

Pathetic it is. You tried to bash someone for remembering what Sabrina wrote, and you did it by remembering another thread. Your own words, polly. Just yesterday.

[polly7]

539. I didn't 'remember' any thread to copy from for anything.

I wrote exactly what I was thinking, and unlike you, apparently, don't need to go hunting for shit to write about.

Now which thread exactly are you lying that I copied something from?

Waiting ....

How fucking strange.

[R B Garr]

542. I copied your words from your post minutes after you wrote it.

How strange, indeed.

[polly7]

545. Strange is that you think I need to go hunt down something from another thread

to mention it. I, as well as Sabrina, have been posting about Iraq and torture since it began. I don't need to reference anything but what I already know and remember.

You're obsessed.

[R B Garr]

561. Obsessed is posting something to a HoF member

so you can malign them, but instead getting exposed as being obsessed about past threads.

Yeah, I've seen what you implied about Americans being baby bombers, so excuse me if I don't take you seriously. LOL that you "post about Irag and torture."

[polly7]

563. I posted to a HoF member?

I have no fucking idea who's a HoF member, apart from three or four, or not.

I'm not allowed to reply to posts because the poster is in a protected group? Wow. Isn't that special. Screw that though, when I see someone who actually DOES care about torture, and women (people HoF members proclaim to represent) affected by it and attacked for being so, I'll speak up. Don't like it, don't read it.

Where did I imply Americans are baby bombers???? I hate drones, I hate the killing of innocents with them. Who uses them is immaterial to me ........... I absolutely fucking hate what they are doing to innocent people, including children. Don't like it, too bad.

Now, make up something else.

[R B Garr]

569. "I have no fucking idea who's a HoF member"

LMAO. Talk about making things up. You reference things from YEARS ago that has to do with HoF. Everything you write is dedicated to HoF.

Look at you saying you know nothing about who is a HoF member, and then your very next paragraph is the beginning of an emotionally laden diatribe about.....HoF. You especially like to diminish American women.

I already told you about your GBCW profile. Obsession is talking about the same things over and over, which is your trademark. Your GBCW profile implied Americans are unconcerned about bombing babies. Fuck that.

[polly7]

570. I never mentioned Americans or bombing babies in my profile ........... ever.

It's obvious you're on a mission, I never mentioned HoF, or anything from years ago here.

Post it or stfu.

Sabrina is an American woman, as well as many, many other great posters here that I respect very much. Unlike you, I don't have lines on a map of people to hate by nationality.

Waiting .....

[R B Garr]

572. I'm on a mission? The emotional vomit on so many threads

about HoF is easy enough to spot.

I did see your 5 hidden posts -- which means I saw those others you insulted in similar fashion.

[pintobean]

574. 81 recs, 573 replies, and 13,217 views

You're still kickin' it!

[NaturalHigh]

575. Amazing. If those offended by "that word" hadn't kicked with a myriad of replies...

this thread would have sunk some time early this weekend.

[R B Garr]

578. All the clusterfuck threads are like this, lol.

And you're on every single clusterfuck thread, so of course those stats are important to you!

[R B Garr]

579. lol, and I guess this is all I have to type to get to 13,000 posts!

This is like a post count boondoggle!

[polly7]

594. Post it, link to it.....

or stfu.

You don't seem capable of telling the truth, what a crappy way to go through life, eh?

Most of my hidden posts were on threads re Ukraine, so obviously you didn't see them, or else you're lying ........ again. You're a joke. A teeny, tiny little stalker bully on a message board who needs to make up lies for nearly every post you make. Sad, sad case.

[NaturalHigh]

576. Polly, anyone who is familiar with your history...

knows that there is a small group intent on maligning you. I haven't always agreed with you, but you're one of the good guys in my book. The enemy lists that you are on actually speak well of you.

[polly7]

595. Oh yes, it's one of the reasons I had decided just reading here was probably best.

So many horrible things happening all over the world made a mockery of by my little fan group so invested in ridding this place of posters not bowing down to them and their own rules on what can be posted, commented on, mentioned. It didn't make sense to spend time trying to contribute and research and post articles and issues I thought others might be interested in when little stalkers like mine on his thread purposefully derailed it all with the insults and lies. I appreciate your comment, and thank you! That was very kind.

[NaturalHigh]

598. You're welcome.

Please don't let them silence you with their harassment. We need more like you.

[sabrina 1]

607. I wouldn't waste too much effort here Polly. The anger towards other

women is remarkable in its intensity. Especially from people you don't even know. Where does all that rage come from? And from people who claim to care about women? Apparently ONLY women who do not dare argue with them.

Because someone dares to have a different opinion from yours?

It's astounding. That anyone would think they have a RIGHT to expect everyone to agree with them!

[polly7]

616. I think a lot of it comes from people completely satisfied with how things work out

'over there'. 'Over there, can be anywhere that doesn't personally affect their own way of life, their ability to sleep well at night. When you're accused of mysogyny, homophobia, any of the ugliest things one can be, based on nothing but lies, giggles, and rah-rahing from the fan clubs created to back up this baseless crap it's obvious. At least to me. 'Women' affected in all of those places 'over there' affected by the renditions, the torture, the horrific economic mess left behind - not a mention. It's more than telling. I don't waste too much effort on this kind of poster anymore because there's nothing clearer, to me. I welcome their hate, it lets me know I'm caring about all the right things.

[sabrina 1]

605. Did you support Bush's war? Did you see the photos of the babies who were

blown to bits by our bombs? There are no pictures of the children our drones are killing because all that is left are pieces of what were once children?

Did you actually ATTACK someone here for daring to be outraged over the slaughter of innocents?

What is your position on all of this? All I've ever seen you do is attack other DUers and not very effectively at that.

Where DO you stand on America's FP, on Bush's/Neocon FP?? I have no clue what you stand for since all I've ever seen you do is falsely attack good DUers here.

It's a political discussion forum. If you want tabloid gossip, I'm sure there are plenty of them around. This isn't one of them.

[R B Garr]

608. It says a lot about you that you bumped this piece of shit thread.

I didn't even read this shit. I'm not interested in these petty games. You don't make much sense.

BTW, this was posted TWO FUCKING NIGHTS ago. How fucking lame to bump it again. Hmmmmmm.

[NaturalHigh]

609. Didn't you just bump this thread?

[sabrina 1]

612. I think you may be correct. I certainly did NOT bump it, but did see it at the top of the

forum. This poster hurls false statements around at an alarming rate.

It's easy to see who bumped by looking at the time stamps.

Oh, and Cheney IS a MONSTER. Just for the record, I would never refer to him as a pussy, never have. Another false statement by this poster.

A monster like Cheney requires words that are probably unprintable. So 'monster' 'war criminal' will suffice.

[NaturalHigh]

618. I'm trying to figure out why you and Polly...

are in that poster's crosshairs. Almost all of his or her (didn't bother to look at the profile) seems to be expended blasting the two of you. Did you have some sort of confrontation in the past? He or she has a lot of anger built up to be flaming you too like that.

[sabrina 1]

619. No, I don't recall this person at all. I guess if you disagree with

them you are instantly in the cross hairs. That is why so many don't respond to them. But imo, people have to speak up for all the women on this forum who do not agree that words are the most important priority facing women today.

I don't care about their personal insults, attacks etc. Seen it all before on the internet, so I guess I'm pretty immune to this kind of garbage.

But I do want it to be known here, that this poster, eg, does not come close to speaking for all the women here. I would be embarrassed to think anyone believes THIS is what women are all about.

[sabrina 1]

604. You're not making sense at all now. We are in THIS thread. Polly

referred to THIS thread in the post you directed everyone to go look at.

Maybe you are just tired, but you're making no sense at all at this point.

[R B Garr]

606. It says a lot about you that you would bump this piece shit thread.

But since you did -- btw, I posted that like TWO fucking nights ago now. Two fucking nights ago. This game is now so obvious that you all are playing. There really is no excuse for it. This is just plain daft at this point.

-For God's sake, I posted directly to polly's post. I referenced the post and I copied her words.

-Then I quoted her words where she thought she was defending you by agreeing that you were being STALKED by a creepy stalker -- when it was someone NuclearDem who simply remembered something you said.

-polly defended you by -- remembering that old thread. Now how fucking insane is that.

Here's another example of the bullshit: You write a whiny post about "sexism" for me calling polly emotional, when just right before that you tried to lambast me about my "ire", although I wasn't in ire. So it's okay for you to go after my emotions, but then you turn around and lecture me. Seriously, WTF.

And here's another example of your lame logic that is just laughable. You claim in this thread that Cheney is indeed, in fact, a pussy. LMAO. But wait, then you say he's a MONSTER. That makes NO SENSE. So to follow your lame logic...Cheney is a PUSSYMONSTER. LMAO.

This is just fucking lame.

[sabrina 1]

610. So many false statements in one comment, amazing!

False Statement #1 from you:

You claim in this thread that Cheney is indeed, in fact, a pussy.

Post it! I've asked you to do this already, you have failed to post it. Why? Because it is FALSE.

I will state AGAIN, not so much for YOU because you ignore FACTS, why I would never refer to Cheney as a pussy. Pussies are cute and lovable kitties. Cheney is a MONSTER. Get it? Not a pussy, a MONSTER! I would never insult cats by associating them with him in any way.

False statement #2 from you: 'that you would bump this piece of shit thread'.

Someone else bumped this thread, and it's easy to see who that was by looking at the time stamps.

You just fling false statements around don't you?

I saw the thread at the top of the forum after it was kicked.

You are the one who has kept it kicked more than anyone else.

I will check back to see if you have provided link to these false statements.

[R B Garr]

613. I gave you polly's post number; I quoted her words.

You got caught trying to dog NuclearDem as a stalker, when polly was regurgitating some old memories as well. It's just that simple.

I've seen you and your cabal do this to others. I've seen them provide well-written, copius paragraphs complete with links, but they are ignored, so it's obvious it's a game.

Your logic doesn't add up, and the fact you kicked this again is very revealing. Your PUSSYMONSTER logic - so laughable. Truly. Cheney is a pussy. No, wait, Cheney is a monster.

[sabrina 1]

615. So you have no links to back up your false statements, thanks, that's all I wanted to

to establish. Who bumped this thread again? I know, it was easy to find. Btw, bumping threads isn't against the rules here. But YOU falsely stated that I should be 'ashamed to have bumped this POS thread'. That was a FALSE statement from you.

Your false statement about Polly's comment was proven to be false. I posted that comment from Polly and proved you wrong AGAIN.

She was talking about THIS thread, period.

[polly7]

617. Whoot!

84 recs and over 14,000 views! Good job!

I'm happy to see so many people interested in what a chicken-shit, torturing fuck Cheney is! Excellent bumping!

ETA - 15,000 views! Shoot me in the face and call me blind!

[polly7]

531. I honestly didn't get that he/she was trying for a gotcha moment, lol!

Wtf they're talking about, I have no idea.

[sabrina 1]

515. I found what she wrote and she did not refer to any thread other than this. So

what was your point? Perhaps YOU should read it again.

[R B Garr]

519. OMG, I highlighted the words from her own post

where she went back in time to remember another clusterfuck thread. Really, now.

[polly7]

529. What are you going on about?

I went back in time to read what???

I don't have to go back to read something to know or remember it. Maybe you do ..... Really now.

[NaturalHigh]

553. Why are you so hell bent on slamming two well-respected DUers?

[R B Garr]

556. I've seen your posts, so forgive me if I don't take you seriously

either.

[NaturalHigh]

559. Oh I can forgive you.

I've been called names I've never even heard of here, so you not taking me seriously probably won't give me any ulcers.

[NuclearDem]

467. You have a very odd definition of stalking.

I don't like being stalked, online or anywhere else and as a woman I find it particularly creepy coming from someone who claims to have so much 'concern' for women.

Yeah, going back into your posting history is not stalking. If I was searching for your handles on other forums, trying to find your home address, emails, photos, college records, or any aspect of your personal life, then I would be stalking you.

I very clearly remember our discussion from several months ago. A fascinating part of the brain is it's ability to more solidly keep memories associated with intense emotion, and that discussion utterly infuriated me. I didn't link back to it; in fact, I didn't even bother to look for it.

Women are stalked online everyday. They're subjected to death threats, rape threats, have their livelihoods endangered, have to move out of their homes for fear of their own safety, and have to completely disappear from the internet to escape it. Don't cheapen that by saying someone remembering one of your discussions and bringing it back up is stalking you.

I'm a regular HOF poster. I've posted repeatedly on feminism, online and street harassment, rape culture, sexual assault, and misogyny. I've had to protect more than one of my closest friends from deranged exes.

The only times I ever see you bring up stalking or any women's issues is during one of these debacles, and you do the same with them as you do with dead Iraqi children, Afghan victims of rape, and torture victims: you use them as human shields to protect yourself and deflect from your tired old shtick.

You know, the same damn thing Cheney did with the 9/11 dead and my brothers and sisters who were sent to their deaths for his sick agenda.

If you truly do care about women's issues, CUT THE SHIT.

[Puglover]

538. +1000

[NuclearDem]

386. You know what that nonsense reminds me of?

Freepers who sit around saying how "f** means cigarette WINK WINK".

Stop making excuses for the OP's piss poor choice of words and subsequent tone deaf attempts to make themselves the victim.

[sabrina 1]

389. You know what your comment reminds me of, my time on

mixed forums trying to explain to the right wingers there how America isn't the only country in the world and that our culture is new and not shared by most of the rest of the world they didn't seem to know existed.

So, I'll repeat what I said, that pussy means kitten, cat and is often used by people in other countries, the UK, Ireland eg, to insult someone, to portray them as weak, like a 'pussy' cat.

Frankly I don't care what the FACTS remind you of, it won't change them.

Additionally, my comment had nothing to do with the OP. It was directed at someone who was denying what another poster said about the meaning of the word to other people. That poster was correct, the poster I addressed was wrong.

You ought to read threads before you decide to call DUers 'freepers' and accuse them of 'defending' something they were not even talking about.

[NuclearDem]

393. You did this exact same shit during the Rude Pundit debacle a few months ago.

So, when you show up yet again to claim that people upset about a highly-offensive word are somehow the problem by "distracting" from Cheney, I begin to suspect there's a pattern developing.

[sabrina 1]

396. I am glad you noticed. I always do that 'shit' as you call it, btw, to many

people that is an offensive word, I always state facts.

For some reason there are people in this world who do not like facts.

That is not my problem, it is theirs.

I didn't 'show' up btw, I've been here for 10 years. Welcome to DU.

[NuclearDem]

399. Are you seriously suggesting "shit" is anywhere near tantamount

to the homophobic implications of "eat a dick" or the sexist implications of "p***y"?

Pathetic.

Oh, and I'm not sure if you remember, quinnox was here for just about as long. Just for you to think about.

[sabrina 1]

402. Words are not offensive to me, CRIMES are.

However there are people here who have children who can access this site, and there elderly people here also who may find the word 'shit' offensive. And the other words you chose to use for whatever reason.

You might want to watch your language for THEIR sake. Or don't, if you don't care about offending innocent people. Your choice.

Me, I could care less, I just don't personally resort to using stupid words, especially since I know they may be offensive to others.

[NuclearDem]

404. WOW. Just WOW.

So men and women who've been bullied their entire lives, men called pussies to shame them into their gender roles and make them feel like failures as men, and women constantly reminded how they're to be weak...

...are equivalent, to you, to squeamish prudes who can't handle the word "shit."

Just go fuck yourself, you miserable disgusting little troll.

[sabrina 1]

405. Those are YOUR WORDS. So that is what you think about people who have

been bullied? But you can't say it directly here, so you try to put the words in someone else's mouth.

Your faux outrage makes sense now.

Those who protest too much! What a true saying that is.

[NuclearDem]

418. Fine, I'll use your words then.

However there are people here who have children who can access this site, and there elderly people here also who may find the word 'shit' offensive. And the other words you chose to use for whatever reason.

In a thread discussing the offensive nature of the word p***y you throw out how some people might find the word shit offensive.

Now, this may require some high school level logic, so forgive me if it totally baffles you, but that is called what's creating a false equivalence. "Shit" does not, has never, and will never have the hurtful connotations associated with p***y or eat a dick.

You might want to watch your language for THEIR sake. Or don't, if you don't care about offending innocent people. Your choice.

Squeamishness is not the same thing as having your gender or orientation assaulted.

Don't assume I'm a fucking idiot, sabrina.

[B Calm]

424. K&R good job on all your posts sabrina!

[sabrina 1]

436. Thank you ....

[TreasonousBastard]

400. There is a pattern, but not the one you're thinking of...

it's a pattern of derailing a legitimate discussion by objections to a word casually used.

It's happened to me when I had a post hidden because someone objected to a phrase, and another time I almost had one hidden over a word, but got swarmed. Both posts were in support of women and what is known in the real world as feminism, but here were buzzwords to attract the swarm. So far I haven't been accused of racism, but it's probably only a matter of time.

And I am certainly not the only one it's happened to-- I've been on juries where it was obvious alert stalking and seen hidden posts that amazed me.

I am a Democratic committeeman, I've run for office as a Democrat and I've fought for gender justice for years in public and private venues and to be accused of sexism by anonymous harpies is not only unfair to me (and to the others it's happened to) but destructive to the "democratic ideals" I keep hearing about here.

This site has about zero credibility in the real world, and nonsense like this "word misogyny" will keep it that way.

Maybe that's what some of you have in mind.

[seaglass]

407. Who are you calling harpies? You are a Democratic committeman and you think the way you interact

here is a good representation of the Democratic party? Thank goodness I quit it if this is what democrats think supporting democratic ideals and fighting for gender justice looks like.

[boston bean]

410. I'm thinking I may have to leave the party if that is the type or representation women get.

[TreasonousBastard]

413. You're not fighting for a damn thing.

You're just complaining about things you don't like.

Save your lectures for some place that counts.

Nobody even knows who you are, or cares much. You are simply a compilation of tiny black dots on a screen representing various amounts of spittle over presumed slights. (And don't think I think I'm anything more.)

Gender justice? In real life I've stood up for reproductive rights, maternal leave, breaking glass ceilings and other things real people care about and can't let a silly word get in the way of.

And, this is not the Democratic party that I belong to-- it's a sounding board that doesn't put up candidates, raise money, make phone calls, attend town board meetings, address local or regional issues, or have any significant effect on local, regional, or national policies or elections.

But it can get into a tizzy over a word.

[seaglass]

415. I'm wondering how many votes you'd get if constituents knew while you "fought for gender justice"

you were anonymously calling women harpies and sneering at them when they expressed offense over a sexist slur. Disgusting really.

On edit: And with that, goodbye, I won't be responding to you so do your worst you gender-justice-champion.

[TreasonousBastard]

419. And I'm not responding, either.

[NuclearDem]

423. Well, that's interesting.

Both posts were in support of women and what is known in the real world as feminism,

...

accused of sexism by anonymous harpies

Absolutely no sense of irony on your end?

[TreasonousBastard]

426. None whatsoever, unless...

you are saying that all women are perfect and can never be miserable (*)

(go ahead-- guess what magnificently hideable word I was thinking of using and alert on the basis of that guess)

[NuclearDem]

427. Yeah, I take umbrage with the word harpy...

...therefore I think women are faultless.

Brilliant!

[TreasonousBastard]

431. Missing the point completely...

I used that word because it was women specifically acting as women who were on the attack.

Of course a more generalized term could have been used, but these were all women claiming to speak for all women so why not use a term that's not gender-neutral.

Objecting to any and all gender specific terms for women would imply that it's also proper to object to any and all gender specific terms for men-- and we know that's not happening.

Such objections also imply that it is impossible for women to put their own female spin on objectionable behavior, and it would be interesting to try to prove that.

Of course, such reasoning just goes to show that I'm the misogynistic swine you and a few others believe me to be.

[pintobean]

434. It's being called 'baiting'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125553255

But, I see you can't respond.

[Lunacee_2013]

511. Lol, right?

Wonder if he calls himself an "ally". It's amazing how many people, even here, just do not get it.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

425. well, someone didn't like the alert...

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is getting ridiculous. The OP makes a lot of sense. The alert is over-the-top.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The thread title is alert worthy but a jury let it stand so I guess we're stuck with it. I don't like it either. I don't know this poster well but I don't see anything hide-worthy here, so ... sorry about that.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Holy fucking shit! Can we ban the alerter for this horseshit? The alerter must be a real treat at parties. HEY ALERTER : YOU MAKE DU SUCK!
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I do believe "harpies" is one of the restriced words. Mal

[polly7]

411. Now there you go again ....

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making all that sense.

Being called a Cheney would make me He's not even worthy of being compared to a scaredy cat, the man has no soul, period. It's too bad they couldn't have found him one to sneak in with his new heart.

[UTUSN]

65. R#18 & K for, best summary of all time!1 n/t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

313. *sigh*

Good to know how you feel about this thread/OP and the discussion that has ensued.

Hope you are having a Happy Holiday Season, UTUSN regardless.

[UTUSN]

319. Whups, did I mess up?!1

I K&Red over the 99% of the O.P. that lambasted CHEENEE, back at the time gave myself pause over the misogynistic one word, and did not read the rest of the thread at all. I'm (now) guessing that your post (sigh/regardless) is over the assumption that I also agreed with the misogynistic word. As proof to the contrary, back then I copy/pasted the o.p. in an e-mail to friends interested in politics, specifically us detesting wingnuts, and substituted "EXPLETIVE" for that one word. BFF?!1

[Tuesday Afternoon]

325. Truly, at this point in this thread, I myself am so confused, I don't know if black is white

up is down and day is night.

Is the word a slur or not?

If the OP meant to slur Dick Cheney but, the word is not a slur then isn't the OP an Epic Fail ... ?



If the word is a slur, and I am by default a pussy because I am female then haven't I also been slurred ... ?

fucking confusing.

Either way I don't think the OP is worthy of a Rec but, is just my personal opinion.

[UTUSN]

334. Repeating, I Rec'ed for the attack on CHEENEE, was not focused on the one word. n/t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

335. repeating ... that one word used in the Subject LIne is NOT an attack but a

god damned fucking COMPLIMENT.

[OregonBlue]

67. I think you are very wise.

Once, just once, I would love to see the pussy face really solid and thorough interrogation by a principled journalist. I'm not holding my breath, though.

You would definitely pass out waiting for Chucky to be anything but a right wing shill. We all know his program is about him, because it is certainly NOT about journalism or getting to the truth. He's not just a lightweight. He's a featherweight and I just cannot imagine what MTP was thinking. My mother could ask more insightful and in-depth questions than Todd.

[vlyons]

237. Yeah we should do for the word "Cheney"

what someone did to the word "Santorum." Google the word "Santorum" to see what that is.

[EEO]

69. Supreme Chickenhawk Cheney

[CJCRANE]

70. English has a liberal, abundant, bountiful, bounteous, copious, plenteous, lavish, ample amount of

synonyms.

http://www.thesaurus.com/

[steve2470]

72. +10000000000000000000000000 nt

[benz380]

93. And there's a lot of 'em too!

[DawgHouse]

294. ITA nt

[BlueStater]

71. What a surprise.

You use a certain word and people on this forum completely change the subject of the original post to whine about that. This is why I can't stand this place sometimes.

I'm really sorry about this.

[pinboy3niner]

77. Using a female attribute to disparage someone as weak and cowardly is wrong

Words have meaning, and this one was an exceedingly poor choice.

[BlueStater]

80. Forgive me if I'm more concerned that...

...a war criminal is not only not in prison but is still giving interviews on major news networks. That kind of bothers me more than some random person using the word "pussy" on the internet. I'm pretty sure no one is dead because of the actions of "JaneQPublic".

[pinboy3niner]

97. Yes, the points made about Cheney in the OP are new and original here. *eyes*

And I'm pretty sure that no one would have died had a more judicious word choice been made. It was an in-your-face choice made despite the obvious risk of undermining the points the OP author was attempting to make.

If you'll forgive me, I'm also pretty sure that our concern about this particular war criminal is not diminished by our concern about the propagation of sexist language here or elsewhere.

[Demit]

104. Why do you have to rank them, as if your concerns have to be in competition?

As amazing as it might seem to you, people can be bothered by two things at once.

[BlueStater]

130. Evidently, I do.

Given that the whiny language police of this website care way more about a word that was used than what JQP was originally talking about. Compare the number of messages in this thread complaining over the usage of the word "pussy" to the number actually talking about Dick Cheney.

[NaturalHigh]

132. Here here!

[Demit]

147. The OP made a deliberate choice to use the word.

Thereby inviting the response she got. She knew what she was doing.

As for the number of messages in the thread—it's not like we have a finite space here, lol. There's plenty of room for people to speak their minds, whatever they're reacting to in an OP.

The number of posts objecting to the sexist word means that it's a real issue for a lot of people. We can't change Dick Cheney, but we can make our opinions on derogatory terms for women known, and hopefully begin to change people's use of them. People have learned to avoid other derogatory terms. It's not that hard.

[NaturalHigh]

148. Just as an aside...

People use lots of controversial words to get reactions, and not everyone finds the same words to be offensive.

[Demit]

155. Sure. I never found the word "gypped" to be offensive.

But Romany people do. So I stopped using it.

But I don't understand using a word that a group finds offensive, just to get a reaction. That seems a pretty hostile thing to do.

[NaturalHigh]

157. I'm with you on gypped to be sure.

Since I learned about it, I always tell people who use it that some people consider it an ethnic slur. Most people have no idea.

[seaglass]

172. Correct. I am a white woman - never was offended by the term cracker and if someone called me one

I'd laugh. I don't have to agree that the word is offensive to recognize that a number of people ARE offended by the word - so I wouldn't use it. It does not hurt me one bit to refrain from using it. I don't get angry at the people who are offended by its use, why should I? This I really have a hard time understanding. Unless someone has a very limited vocabulary there are always substitute words that can be used to get the point across without offending.

[NuclearDem]

166. I think it can be generally assumed

that most people posting on this website see Dick Cheney as a chickenshit turdcake. We don't need an OP that uses an offensive term to further prove that.

[Skittles]

231. critical thinkers can be concerned about both

[steve2470]

81. yep so true nt

[Glassunion]

175. Yes, DU sucks at times, but not because of the reason you state.

You probably don't get it, but the term is offensive. The reason folks are not talking about the OP's subject, is because the OP used a vile term to do nothing more than get people to click on their OP.

This is not an uncommon practice here on DU. Let me say something really offensive in the subject of my OP, just so I can get some clicks. The reason DU sucks at times is people seem to go to all lengths to fulfill their "look at me... look at me!!! WHY ISN'T ANY ONE LOOKING AT ME!!!" needs.

Most of the time, the OPs are fantastic, but when folks start tossing around offensive words that are used to demean folks, by their sex, race, or whatever, just to get people to click on their post... Well. They probably did not have anything worth posting in the first place.

[Doctor_J]

358. giving credence to the wingers' cartoonish view of liberals

Wasteful and selfdefeating

[Spitfire of ATJ]

78. Turns out Cheney's "undisclosed location" was Camp David....

A place that was far enough away in case DC got nuked.

[NaturalHigh]

83. Yeesh -- this thread went south in a hurry.

[blkmusclmachine]

84. This is not FreeRepublikkk, "Jane."

[pintobean]

92. She probably knew that when she joined DU

a decade before you did.

[R B Garr]

95. But a lot of those folks brag about being here a long time.

You've even mentioned that before.

[pintobean]

96. No clue what you're talking about

but it's nice to have a fan following me around.

[R B Garr]

98. No clue at all? How odd.

How odd that your current lack of knowledge goes against your entire body of work that I've seen here, which consists of highly intricate and total recall of each poster that you single out, on multiple boards even! I'm always amazed at your vast knowledge.

[pintobean]

108. "those folks"?

You're categorizing the OP as one of "those folks" and trying to tell me what I do and don't know.

[R B Garr]

110. I referenced your response to another poster, not the OP

"those folks" being those folks who brag on conservative websites about being long-time members here. You've posted about that yourself.

[Sheldon Cooper]

111. You are killin' it in this thread!

[R B Garr]

122. ....

Thanks! The part about silencing strong women was too much to take when the past behavior points to doing just that -- but silencing the ones they want silenced.

[Sheldon Cooper]

123. I know, right?

It's so transparent, and thus hilarious!

[R B Garr]

143. It's very transparent!

It can be very funny at times, but sometimes it's just annoying, which is what it's designed to be. They're not fooling anyone, though.

[pinboy3niner]

118. Ironically, you two seem to have that recall in common

Not taking sides, just observing from the sidelines with amusement.

[R B Garr]

121. Speaking of observing...

every poster I like or subjects that I follow are attacked by the same person or persons, it's hard to not notice just who is doing it. Especially when the posters attacked are mainly popular posters here who post most of the content. I even saw this one "this one" going after WillPitt the other day, so it doesn't take long to figure out what their dealio is.

[pintobean]

126. In a recent thread, I've seen what

you're doing here described as bullying and stalking. I guess it just depends on who's doing it to whom. I don't buy into that concept, though. As for Mr. Pitt, I'm hardly the only one on DU who took issue with how he has described our President.

[R B Garr]

139. You seem to take issue with anyone here who is strongly

aligned with the Democratic party, in particular women's issues. Maybe I see it now that there is no META because your obsessions have spilled over into the general posting areas. Your own words about bullying and stalking: "I guess it just depends on who's doing it to whom." Those are your words, so it's obvious you buy into that concept. Your words and your actions back that up.

Your swipe at WillPitt looked more like an opportunistic attempt to hide behind the President to take a swipe at another poster here. Surely Mr. Pitt's body of work here is understood enough to see that he's the real deal as far as being credible.

[pintobean]

146. pfft

My "swipe at WillPitt" was in response to his swipe at me - in a thread where I was advocating support of Democrats.

Try harder to spin that crap.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025922216#post125

[R B Garr]

160. "I was advocating support of Democrats."

Hiding behind the President and a year old thread --- pffft, indeed. Look how you changed the subject here in this thread alone to suit your purposes.

[pintobean]

167. That thread is a week old

and it was about Sen. Mary Landrieu (a strong woman), not the president. I didn't change the subject, I proved your ridiculous accusation to be false.

[R B Garr]

208. You had to reach back almost a year for Will's thread.

My comments were about you hiding behind the President and using Will's almost year-old thread to throw out in front of Will's post in your Landrieu thread to obfuscate his point.

And you most certainly changed the subject here today, as well. Just look how you started out trying to attack other posters and now are trying to throw me some flea flickers, as well.

The only "ridiculous accusation" is you claiming to be for strong women. You've proven here time and again that the opposite is true.

[NaturalHigh]

250. I just have to ask...

Is Will Pitt somehow immune from criticism? I was reading his stuff before I ever came on DU, and I don't always agree with him either. I don't know anyone with whom I agree 100% of the time. Do you?

[Hekate]

94. Chickenhawk. The lot of the warmongers and profiteers in the BushCheney admin. Chickenhawks.

No need to degrade women to make the point.

[seabeyond]

99. cause what cheney's torture liked to use degrading and humiliating these men sexually in the way

done toward women or simply reducing them to the insult of being a woman. so calling cheney this is probably the most humiliating you can give the man, seeing he is being compared to a woman, feminizing the man, to such an insulting extent that you are arguing.

that is your purpose and intent, and why you refuse to back off the word. knowing full well what you are doing.

other than degree, how is this different than the method cheney used?

your whole post is one misogynist fuckcluster, raging about a misogynist fuckcluster of a party.

well done. not seeing a whole lot of difference between the ones you rage about.

[benz380]

109. Thank you!

[MineralMan]

100. I wish you hadn't used that misogynistic slur.

Truly I do. I suppose it got an alert and was left by a jury. Sad.

[NuclearDem]

102. Well, she did go ahead and tempt fate again.

And the jury came down with the right decision that time.

[MineralMan]

105. Hmph!

Locked out of her own thread, now. And yet, the ugly thread title stands.

[mercuryblues]

247. Don't

get me wrong my thread was OTT. But if this title was allowed to stand, mine should have also. The OP has repeatedly said there was nothing wrong with the word, unless of course when it was used to describe him. Then and only then it became offensive.

Another poster has defended a someone who said the word was not offensive and they would not hide it. Then tried to rake me over the coals for using a slur.

[Major Hogwash]

406. Now we're flying apart.

I don't know why you felt you had to respond to this thread, but by being divisive , DU is now flying apart.

[NaturalHigh]

599. LOL...I just now got that.

[LordGlenconner]

567. It's not really that sad

[True Blue Door]

101. He's a psychopath. Not the same thing.

Of course he never puts himself in danger - he is his own highest priority, so why would he?

Of course he never takes a risk except to benefit himself personally - why would he risk his God (himself) if he could avoid it?

Of course he throws his "friends" under the bus - he has no friends, just foolish people who delude themselves that they are until they stop being useful to him.

You're talking about a spider with a human face.

[backscatter712]

107. Short for "pusillanimous", right? N/t

[JTFrog]

114. Very wrong.

http://anthrocentric.tumblr.com/post/81621685922/pussy-is-not-short-for-pusillanimous

1. It doesn’t make sense grammatically. Pusillanimous is an adjective — a describing word — not a noun. In the same way you can’t say “Don’t be a quiet” or “Don’t be a small” or “Don’t be a green” or “Don’t be a spicy”, you can’t say “Don’t be a pusillanimous.” You can’t tell people not to be a/an adjective.

~~~~~~~

TL;DR? Pussy is not short for pusillanimous. Going back through the research, the word is closely related to women, women’s genitalia, and weak, effeminate men. The use of the word to mean “coward” is offensive to both genders — somewhat more to women than to men — and if you have an ounce of maturity you will stop using it that way.

(note to jury, because it's inevitable, lol - the TL;DR is a quote from the link, not my words to the poster I replied to.)

[backscatter712]

116. I was joking.

You're right, using the p-word is not cool.

[JTFrog]

117. My bad...

I was pretty sure someone was gonna bring that up tho, lol.

[Major Hogwash]

112. Thank you.

Gawd knows, I support a woman's freedom of expression.
I was shocked by Madonna's performances when she became a big star back in the 1980s . . at first.
But, as I grew older and wiser I realized that her message of "Express Yourself" was very, very important.

Notice how many men told you how to talk in this thread?
I did.

I laugh at them.

[WinkyDink]

119. "Chicken-hawk" was the usual term for 60's war-evaders.

[NaturalHigh]

120. Um...not to nitpick, but that's not ENTIRELY correct.

I think it was a term used for people who supported the war (and subsequent wars) but managed to get out of the fighting themselves. People who managed to get out of the war but also didn't support the war weren't called chickenhawks.

[calimary]

124. Mr. FIVE Deferments. Mr. "Other Priorities." Pussy is a good word to describe him.

So is Chickenhawk. He's somehow too good to go get his hands dirty and put his own ass in harm's way for his country. But he's just fine with sending everyone else's kids over there. Same thing with the romneys of the world. FIVE HEALTHY STRAPPING ADULT SONS. And not ONE of them, including dad, ever served in the military. And no, I do NOT consider "serving in the private sector" as SERVING. "Serving in the private sector" serves NO ONE but yourself.

I bet Hugo Chavez was correct about him, as he insinuated about dubya: when they die, there will be a smell of sulfur.

[pinboy3niner]

128. The Romneys said their sons "served the country" by working in dad's campaign

Something that should offend everyone who has ever served, Democrat or Republican, whether in time of war or peace.

I've worked in political campaigns, too. But I also had a draftee Army service number: US56704XXX. Campaign work was citizenship; my military stint was service. I know the difference.

[calimary]

133. Most sentient beings know the difference. Only those in willlful denial don't see it -

or deliberately WON'T see it.

[peace13]

127. Whatever he is..he got a perfectly good heart....

..that could have gone to a human. So sad. Our pathetic medical system can manage to keep him going! Go figure.

[NaturalHigh]

129. Frankly I've thought he was actually a machine since about 2002.

I figured the government just didn't want the people to know that Bush was actually in charge.

[easychoice]

131. You told the truth,Bad move...You will now be attacked well and often.

Some people here can't stand how real people talk...

[NaturalHigh]

141. Amazing isn't it?

How many people hear the same word all the time and never think twice about it?

[easychoice]

165. what's amazing is being told how to talk by people I wouldn't hire to

sweep my driveway or dump my trash.Some of these poor bastards really need to go find some vestige of a real life.

[KMOD]

185. Did you forget to add a sarcasm tag?

It's one thing for you to believe you have the right to express yourself with your own words, but it's quite another to believe that you are somehow superior to others.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

317. you say that, as if sweeping your driveway or dumping your trash, is demeaning and beneath you.

bless your heart.

You be sure and, have yourself a merry little Christmas, now. ya hear.

[Buns_of_Fire]

145. While I generally eschew any use of the p-word around here,

I admit that calling him "a repugnant and totally disagreeable individual who shouldn't be allowed to waste the oxygen needed by decent people and his whole family smells of elderberries" takes far longer to type.

[seabeyond]

149. coward is a much stronger word/description, unless you want to just throw in some misogyny.

insult him as a woman. and takes little space.

[NaturalHigh]

150. Are you equally offended...

if a word that may or may not refer to a male body part is used?

[seabeyond]

151. i was told men were offended when using male parts, even though they are mostly the ones doing it.

so, i stood with them, in their fight to not allow, only for them to laugh, and state they really arent offended at all. just making a point. no. i do not use the male parts to insult.

and we know that has NOTHING to do, nor comparable to using a sexist slur toward a man to feminize. they are insulting a man to call him a woman.

when using a male part toward a woman, it is a compliment. she has balls.

get the difference? or just too damn subtle for you.

look natural you clearly stand with using sexist slurs. you have for years. your position is clear. i am not really gonna get into arguing the obvious with you.

[NaturalHigh]

152. What sexist slurs have I used?

Please spell them out - if I really have, then I would like to be reminded. FWIW I don't consider the words used in this thread to be slurs, though.

[Violet_Crumble]

188. I think the silence answers yr question. You haven't used them n/t

[seabeyond]

193. i did not state he uses them, but he stands with the use of sexist slurs. as he has said, a couple

times in this thread, he has no problem with the use of the sexist slur and would not hide them.

please, do not accuse me of saying things i did not, then stand on the ground of a win, with a fabrication

[Violet_Crumble]

195. I haven't seen him stand with the use of sexist slurs...

You don't get to decide on behalf of other women what is and isn't a sexist slur. Especially when you stood behind the use of what you consider to be a sexist slur. I asked this question further down in the thread, but I'll ask again. If someone consider a word or term to be a slur, why would it be acceptable to then turn around and use that same slur in a far more personal way aimed at another DUer?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025955118#post187

[seabeyond]

196. because you jumped in drawing a false conclusion/accusation, lacking info is not my problem, violet.

[Violet_Crumble]

197. There was no false conclusions or false accusations on my part...

I suggest you go back and reread what was posted...

[seabeyond]

199. he throws out not using sexist slurs. you do the dreaded, silence... you must be correct. i never

made the claim he made sexist slurs....

did i connect the dots close enough for you to follow?

[Violet_Crumble]

200. Here's what you said.

'look natural you clearly stand with using sexist slurs. you have for years.'

If you meant to say something else, you should have said it, or at least explained to him that you meant something else instead of ignoring that one post while you posted away in this thread.

At least he's consistent. He said he wouldn't hide any posts using that word. I don't see that same consistency from folk who claim to be offended by the word used in the OP aimed at Cheney, but then aren't offended when others use that term in a far more personal and offensive context to attack the DUer who wrote the OP. If a term's considered a slur, it shouldn't be used at all.

[seabeyond]

202. since he is advocating not hiding it, thru out this thread, i think i am pretty damn accurate. now,

i have heard the crap you say about us on di that would not stand on du. i find it hard to be civil to those that say crap about us women on di, then expect us to ignore it on du.

so.

i am done.

good you copied and pasted exactly what i said, instead of misinterpreting what i said, and throwing out a false accusation.

[Violet_Crumble]

203. Oh, really? What crap have I said about 'us' on DI? And who's 'us'?

I won't hold my breath waiting for any links, as that's most definitely a false accusation. If by 'us' you mean HoF, I've been totally consistent in saying that the vast majority of participants in that group are really good people, but like any group or forum it has one or two bad apples.

I'm curious as to why if you saw someone read what you said incorrectly, you couldn't have just told him what you meant to say, rather than go silent and then start attacking me with a completely false accusation.

[polly7]

468. Thank goodness you didn't hold your breath, and you're still with us.

[Violet_Crumble]

520. I did consider trying to break the world record for breath holding...

I was going to do it while I copied all 200 of my posts over from DI and asking to be pointed to where I'd done what was claimed, but figuring I'd be met with more of that stony silence that follows a false accusation at DU instead pondered why this thread made me think of Mrs Slowcombe...



btw, great to see you polly!

[NaturalHigh]

547. LOL...

I heard that I am supposedly one of the "haters" on Discussionist. I don't even have a freaking account over there!

Just goes to show you - facts need not muddy up a good story.

[Gormy Cuss]

220. Read the thread again, Violet.

NH would have let the OP stand. That's standing with the use of a straight up sexist slur.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5956372

[Violet_Crumble]

228. I don't agree.

While it was definitely used as a sexist slur in a now-hidden post in another thread, I don't think it's so clear-cut in the case of the OP, and I'm not sure if I would have hidden it or not. I got the impression that the word's being used in this thread as the equivalent of wimpy, cowardly, prick or dick. The latter two are gender-based ones that I consider to be on the same level as the one that's caused so much offense in this thread. If I thought the OP had intended it as a gender based slur (eg doing as was done in the hidden post I referred to and spoken of another DUers genitalia as being stinky), then I wouldn't hesitate to vote to hide.

Me, I wouldn't use the word at DU, mainly because I tend to go straight for profanity and don't use it in real life, but also because if some people are offended by it I don't see the point in giving those people a reason to alert on my posts. I think it's a shame that the focus in this thread from some is exclusively the word and not what an arsehole Cheney is...

[Gormy Cuss]

240. Well, in the context of the OP it is not a reference to a cat.

The slang usage of 'pussy' for a weak, cowardly person carries the connotation of effeminate just as it does with the slang term 'sissy.' Of course, this is in American English. YEMV.

[JTFrog]

267. Yea, no gender slurs meant in the OP....

"So, tomorrow the pussy is going on MTP and Todd will no doubt grovel to him like a Bieber fangirl."

You actually have to try really, really, really hard to NOT see it. Conflating gender and sexual identity using homophobic language does a disservice to all genders.

[NaturalHigh]

246. I have no problem with it, because I don't consider it a slur.

Nobody I know in real life does either.

[JTFrog]

282. I'm pretty sure all these folks taking you to task on this thread are real.

You might want to take that into consideration.

Or not.

[NaturalHigh]

290. I use the term "real life"...

to describe people I know personally, not through an internet connection - but you already knew that.

[JTFrog]

300. Believe it or not, there are several people who post here that know each other in real life. n/t

[NaturalHigh]

301. Yes, I believe that.

I don't personally know any DUers, though. Outside of my family, there aren't just a whole lot of Democrats in my area.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

318. but, I thought the whole point of the OP was to SLUR Dick Cheneny ... so, if it is NOT a slur then

the OP is Epic Fail, you have to agree, using the logic you just used = it meaning pussy.

I have no problem with it, because I don't consider it a slur.

this twisted, pretzel logic.

[NaturalHigh]

321. I should have said "sexist slur."

In other words, it obviously wasn't intended to be demeaning to women. Pretty sure you already knew that, but I do apologize for my poor phrasing.

Strange that a post meant to diss Dick Cheney has spent two days near the top of GD because of an argument about one commonly-used word, but then, that's how weekends often go.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

327. Sorry but, I don't know this. I am female. My gentalia can be vulgarly referred to as a pussy ergo

I, to have been slurred when you call him a pussy.

fuck that.

the POS of shit is NOT worthy of the term: pussy.

He is no where near worthy of being a pussy.

He is the ultimate piece of shit.

[NaturalHigh]

330. The great thing about words you don't like:

You don't have to use them. You just don't get to tell other people that they can't use them.

[boston bean]

336. And you don't get to tell others that they can't express

their opinion. So there!

Is this over yet or what?!

This is beginning to feel like third grade.

[NaturalHigh]

338. Express away. I believe I have the same right.

So there? Really? That's not even third grade stuff.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

337. the great thing about the first amendment is = YES you get to say what you want and in return

I get to say what I want ... this is known as conversation/discussion.

sheesh.

[NaturalHigh]

339. If people can say what they want, then what's the argument about?

Why are people rushing to pile onto the OP (who is locked out and can't answer) over that "word that shall not be used"?

Why did people jump on a thread in another group to attack the OP (ironically using that same "word that shall not be used&quot ? That's just hypocritical.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

341. because the OP COMPLIMENTED Cheney by calling him a PUSSY and PEOPLE on DU are agreeing with it.

HE IS A WAR CRIMINAL. NOT A PUSSY. REPEAT ... NOT A PUSSY.

[NaturalHigh]

342. Okay...

I'm not even sure how to answer that.

[pintobean]

343. Actually, the term, as applied in the OP

evolved from the term 'pussy cat', which basically means easily handled - like a cat in one's lap. It has been shortened over time, and the meaning evolved into 'cowardly'. I have no idea how anyone sees it as a literal meaning of the female genitalia.

[R B Garr]

347. Yet you keep saying the OP is locked out of this thread--

are you suddenly her official spokesperson about what she mean by pussy? How odd. Because your post looks more like a transparent attempt to obfuscate and instigate. Now Why would you do that? Do you really think the OP meant for us to think of Cheney as a cute little calico kitty?

Just a quick check of Wiki:

"The words puss and derived forms pussy and pusscat were extended to refer to girls or women by the seventeenth century.[1][5] This sense of pussy was used to refer specifically to genitalia by the eighteenth century, and from there further extended to refer to sexual intercourse involving a woman by the twentieth century.[1]"

[pintobean]

349. Like many words, it has more than one meaning.

The OP posted her meaning in HOF. I agree with her, as to the meaning when applied to a man. You and your friends are the ones trying to say she meant something else.

Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Sat Dec 13, 2014, 03:07 PM

JaneQPublic (4,830 posts)
5. Webster's Dictionary Definition

Please see the below link to Webster's online and scroll down to the fourth definition of the p-word.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pussy

It says:

4pus·sy noun \ˈpu̇-sē\
plural pus·sies
Definition of PUSSY

slang
: a weak or cowardly man or boy : wimp, sissy

Origin of PUSSY

short for pussycat
First Known Use: circa 1942
====================

As the author of the "offending" thread on Dick Cheney, I would have responded to all the "offended" posters by noting that this is the definition of the word as I used it in the OP.

If it's good enough for Websters, it's good enough for me and should be good enough for DU.

I would have posted this in my own thread about Cheney, but I am now locked out of it. Ironically enough, all the people whose hair caught on fire over use of the P-word in DU have kept the P-word thread kicked to the top of the forum for over 4 hours.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/125553191#post5

[R B Garr]

351. Yet I haven't said a single thing about my opinion of the word

So it's bullshit for you to ascribe any intent to me, but that's your M.O.

Your post and now hers look like you're trying to take some people on some long walks just to obfuscate and instigate. The purpose of that is to irritate people enough to get their posts hidden.

[pintobean]

354. Is that right?

[R B Garr]

356. Oh, yes. I'm right.

I highly doubt you have any intellectual interest in discussing the etymology of the word "pussy", except that your obtuseness might irritate someone enough to get their posts hidden.

[pintobean]

366. Anyone can look through this thread

and see that you are only here to try to harass and bait me because I'm one hidden post from a time-out. I've found it amusing.

[R B Garr]

367. And "anyone" can see that it's bullshit that a grown man

on the internet is engaging in not-so-clever obfuscations about whether the word "pussy" might also mean female genitalia. It makes you wonder why a grown man on the internet wouldn't really know what that word really means and that it might be offensive to some. Unless being offensive is the goal, that is, maybe to get under someone's skin to get posts hidden.

ANYONE can see that your tactics are exactly as you try to ascribe to me -- in your own words even.

Also -- ANYONE -- can see that your timing of kicking this thread is also self-serving. You just want to keep it kicked because you've failed to get any of your usual victims locked out.

[pintobean]

368. I agreed with the OP and called her a strong woman.

Those are my sins against those who believe they get to control definitions. Going by the replies and recs in this thread, I'm in the majority. Deal.

[R B Garr]

369. Wow, that's odd how you keep backtracking.

It's almost as if 24 hours hasn't gone by and 24 hours of your phony posts about the definition of "pussy" didn't exist.

BTW, if you and your "friends" replies consist of obfuscated, pretend definitions of a potentially offensive word, I would hardly call that a "majority."

Personally, I'm not that offended by the word, but I sure as hell recognize when "someone" is being disingenuous in defending their use of it, for instance as flamebait on a message board.

[pintobean]

449. I see you kicked it again today

It seems you keep doing the things you falsely accuse me of doing. Funny, that.

[R B Garr]

450. Oh, still on your Rovian tactics, I see.

[JTFrog]

153. Those who have actually been paying attention know that you are very consistent on this issue.

[seabeyond]

169. thank you JT. nt

[Buns_of_Fire]

173. "Coward" works well. I'd love to see that thrown in his face during an interview.

Or even just being referred to as a "coward" by someone -- anyone -- in the MSM would make my day. That'll never happen, of course, so we all sputter in our incoherent rage.

If thoughts would kill, I'm sure there'd be a lot of people happily pissing on his grave right now. Best he be buried in an "undisclosed location" if they ever want grass to grow there again.

[pnwmom]

174. I disagree with the idea that the word "pussy" should be connected with women at all.

They can compare him to a cat and that doesn't bother me.

[boston bean]

177. So you think this poster was calling Cheney a cat.

Ok.

[seabeyond]

178. "beiber fangirl". poster purposely ties to the weak, cowardly woman, thru out her post. little girl

ya, no sexism here.

it was done purposely. with intent. now the whine that no one is to be offended, when the Op purposely tried to offend. doesnt work that way.

[NaturalHigh]

180. You seriously think the OP posted this to offend people? Seriously?

Come on now. Really?

It seems to me that she just really hates Dick Cheney and doesn't mince words.

[seabeyond]

182. duh

[Gormy Cuss]

221. Someone who's been around DU since 2001, using a term that's been contentious here many times?

The OP has posted in at least one of the feminists groups recently and thus it's hard to believe the poster was unaware of this. Additionally, the OP repeated the term about a half dozen times.

Take your head out of the sand.

[mother earth]

154. He is the poster boy for torture & felony, & should be called to account for what he created.

Shame on anyone who glorifies his crimes. He brought this nation to war & to its knees, based on lies, and he spread that evil like only Hitler before him.

[mercuryblues]

159. LOL didya get offended when

when the same word was used to describe you? I thought it wasn't an offensive term- per your criteria. Bless your hypocritical heart.

[seabeyond]

170. +1. nt

[NaturalHigh]

171. You mean the post you had locked?

Your post is in very poor form. You got a well-deserved hide. No need to carry over your little feud here.

[mercuryblues]

189. the op

has stated numerous times how the term is not derogatory, yet took offense when the term was used to describe him. It is poor form to decide a well considered offensive term is not offensive to use on others, but it is when it is used on themselves. According to the poster the term is not offensive at all and should be used liberally.

Big deal, I sunk to his level.

[B Calm]

205. I thought the OP was posted by a female.

[NaturalHigh]

242. Yes, she is.

I guess somebody didn't get the memo.

[B Calm]

322. I checked out this hidden post, wow. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125553191#post8

[NaturalHigh]

323. I saw it and a couple more.

People who hate the word apparently can't wait to go to another group and use the same word to insult JQP. Childish.

[JTFrog]

372. Yea, that's what happened.

Or perhaps they were pointing out the ludicrousness of all the blathering about "cats" in this thread.

I guess you won't mind if your cat howls at the full moon. You refuse to see that the word is a slang for female genitalia and used in a derogatory manor. Clean your litter box, your cat stinks.

When the word was actually used as a substitution for the word "cat", all of the sudden you folks find it so horribly offensive.

It's amazing and baffling all at the same time.

[B Calm]

385. I wonder if they are offended by the name of the rock band Pussy Riot too?

[NaturalHigh]

534. I don't find it the least bit offensive.

I do find it hypocritical that the same people who find it so offensive here can't wait to go off to their own playground to use it.

[JTFrog]

583. If you don't find it the least bit offensive, then why do you say someone insulted JQP?

I don't care if you find it offensive or not. I've seen what you're okay with and to me that's setting the bar pretty low.

But speaking of hypocritical, it's rather telling that you found it oh so insulting when the word was used as an actual replacement for the word cat, all the while claiming you don't find the word the least bit offensive.

Proving once again that you aren't looking for an honest discussion.

[NaturalHigh]

584. Because it was obvious that your group intended it that way.

If the word is so offensive, as some here have claimed, then they really shouldn't be using it to describe other DU posters. Apparently they play by the old "do as I say not as I do double standard. It's not rocket science.

Setting the bar pretty low = I'm okay with free speech even if I don't necessarily like it. That's something I'm actually pretty proud of. Then again, I don't run around looking for things to be mad about.

[JTFrog]

586. No, it's obvious that she was making a point.

Well obvious to those that actually took the time or wanted to figure it out.

Context means something.

But bless your heart for trying so hard.

[NaturalHigh]

588. Well thank you for that JTF. Bless you too :)

Just a thought - apparently the jury agreed that it was intended as an insult.

[Violet_Crumble]

187. If you think the word's a slur, you shouldn't be using it either...

Doing that would be hypocritical.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125553191#post11

So, a question for you and the other person I saw in both threads who think it's okay to use the word when attacking another woman and referring to her genitalia as stinky. Why is it okay for you to use it but not anyone else?

[mercuryblues]

209. you may want

to think about that. The answer is quite obvious if you tried and nothing at all about what you implied.

[Violet_Crumble]

211. I did. And I still don't understand why you thought it was okay to use that term..

It was used in a very demeaning and personal way. If yr going to play the 'I was proving a point' card, it doesn't work. IF someone considers a term to be a slur, it's not okay to aim that slur at another person.

[mercuryblues]

216. so says you

LOL. You seem more offended how I called someone out for their use of sexist derogatory terms, than at the person using them. I dare say a person can almost think you support the usage of sexist slurs as long as it suits your needs.

[Violet_Crumble]

219. No, I've been asking you repeatedly why you think it's okay for you to use a slur...

And you still haven't answered that question. I don't do the being offended thing, and haven't said whether I think it's a slur or not, so instead of commenting on things I haven't said, how about explaining to me why you think it was okay to use a term that you strongly believe is a sexist slur on another DUer in such a personal and demeaning way. And I'd also like to know why you decided the DUer you aimed it at isn't female. They don't have any gender listed in their profile...

[mercuryblues]

222. have I

ever aid I think it was Okay? LOL. By the OP standards it was not a slur, therefor I did not use one. Funny the only posts on this thread are you defending the people who thinks it is okay to use a slur.

But then again, is it a slur in your opinion. You defend the ones that think it is okay, yet here you are telling me it is not okay. You can't have it both ways. Like I said, it seems like it is a slur when it suits your needs, not a slur when it suits your needs.

[Violet_Crumble]

225. You posted the slur in an attack on another woman, so it's clear yr okay with using it...

Don't even try and start with blaming someone else for what you posted. If you genuinely thought it was a slur, you wouldn't have posted it. And I find it hypocritical for anyone who objects strongly to a slur being used to then turn around and use it themselves.

btw, I'm not defending anyone. What I'm doing is voicing my opinion. And I haven't voiced my opinion on whether it's a slur or not, so I'm not sure why yr going on about that for if not to try to divert away from the question I asked you. The bottom line is whether or not I think it's a slur, I've got no time for those who complain about it being a slur and then turn around and use it themselves and abuse those who don't agree with them...

[NaturalHigh]

245. Oh, come on now.

You know as well as the jury that you only posted that other reply to try to insult JQP. Even though most people, at least in my real-life experience, don't consider the word a slur, you obviously intended to use it that way.

[seaglass]

251. OK, now I get it. You don't understand the difference between referring to a woman's genitalia

using that word (not a sexist slur) and using that word as an insult (sexist slur). You should read some more replies on this thread with a mind open for learning.

[NaturalHigh]

252. Well, I will frankly admit...

that it's hard to teach an old dog such as myself new tricks, but I try to be open to new ideas.

[seaglass]

254. Yep if we don't open our minds to new ideas and learning, even if we don't like it, our

brains tend to get atrophied. IMO of course.

[spanone]

176. he's also a WAR CRIMINAL.

[B Calm]

179. I bet the PC police attacked this post.

[seabeyond]

181. i thought "pc police" was brought to us by limbaugh and the repugs?

[B Calm]

183. Actually it was originally from the book What's The Matter With Kansas!

[seabeyond]

184. i think limbaugh, along with feminazi and flaming liberal.

[B Calm]

186. I'm sure he has mentioned those two words. Limbaugh say's a lot of things. .

[boston bean]

190. No.

Wrong!

Political correctness or political correctitude[1] (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term used by some conservatives to describe the attitude or policy of being careful not to offend or upset any group of people in society who are believed to have a disadvantage. Mainstream usage of the term began in the 1990s by right-wing politicians who used the term as a shorthand way of conveying their concerns about the left in academia and in culture. A 1991 article used the term to refer to U.S. academic policies that sought to increase multiculturalism through affirmative action, prevent "hate speech", and change the content of the university curriculum. The term was also used by conservatives to criticize progressive teaching methods and curriculum changes in U.S. secondary schools. These debates about curriculum changes have been referred to as a Culture War. In the 1990s, the term was increasingly commonly used in the United Kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

What's the matter with Kansas was printed in 2004.. If my math is correct, that is after the usage of PC in the 90's.

[B Calm]

191. Have you read What's The Matter With Kansas?

[Warren Stupidity]

621. um no, that is not correct.

The reaction against "political correctness" started in the late 70s early 80s as part of the rightwing renaissance in this country. It predates Limbaugh and most certainly "What's the Matter With Kansas" which was written in 2004.

[NaturalHigh]

248. I really hope nobody ever tells Dick Cheney about this thread.

The old bastard would laugh hysterically that one particular word found offensive by some is getting about ten times more attention than he is.

[Logical]

291. I bet the sexist jerks defend it. nt

[B Calm]

298. Lots of outrage, some phoney, some not.

[sabrina 1]

192. I'm happy with War Criminal! It is a legal term that accurately

describes someone who engages in violations of the law. He has ADMITTED and even BOASTED publicly to having done so.

His picture should be next to the word 'Coward' in every dictionary in every language.

I like Sociopath also.

He cannot empathize with the suffering he has inflicted on millions of people.

He is a threat to society, that is a FACT.

And that he is still spoken to as if he were a normal human being who has not destroyed the lives of so many millions of people, not to mention the destruction to THIS country, tells us that he is not the only one to whom all of the above applies.

Oh, and Traitor would be do also.

[seaglass]

194. Yes, those are all certainly accurate terms. I would be surprised if anyone on DU disagreed. n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

198. + a billion! n/t

[MissDeeds]

201. Wait a minute!!!

How is this okay? Yes, Dick Cheney is an evil, warmongering criminal, but how in the name of all sanity is the word pu$$y okay on DU? I find this extremely offensive and way, way over the the bounds of acceptable language. Really, has DU sunk to this level of misogyny that this term is okay??? I'd alert, but given the number of recs, doubt it would matter.

Very, very disappointed.

[NaturalHigh]

244. It was already alerted. They jury voted to leave.

[Dont call me Shirley]

206. No Dick Cheney is a DICK!

[roamer65]

207. My cats are offended.

[B Calm]

212. LOL

[Rosa Luxemburg]

210. I can think of a few other descriptions rather than a pussy

[madokie]

214. More like a Prick

if you ask me

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prick

[B Calm]

215. Careful, lol the PC Police are trolling this thread.

[madokie]

217. OOOPs

I hope I didn't fuck up. Maybe they'll just think I'm a prick and leave me alone

I loved the worthless asshole explanation on the urban dictionary though LOL

All joking aside the dick has been screwing the american people for years. He goes all the way back to the nixonian years of fucking us
I knew we were fucked when he himself appointed himself as little boots vice presidential candidate, remember that

[hlthe2b]

224. JaneQ.. that your misogynistic use of a gender-based slur to get attention to your thread was not

locked by the jury, does not mean admins will not review it. Each and every one of those alerts made since the jury decision, DO make it to admins for review.

That you went from this thread in GD to a a safe haven group for feminists, HOF, to post similar-- despite countless replies on this thead attempting to educate you why this was problematic just shows that your intent is to flame bait. Progressives are generally respectful of others. You clearly are not (one or both).

[pintobean]

297. She went to hof to defend herself in a call-out thread

As usual, she was banned for that. She's blocked in hof and blocked from this thread, so, she can't respond to you.

[B Calm]

332. Even though she's been blocked from replying, that don't stop the PC police

from attacking. It just makes it easier for them to pile on!

[MrMickeysMom]

328. oh, for FUCKS SAKE….

Quit hijacking the central theme of DICK FUCKING CHENEY, who can't go to prison soon enough for me.

[NaturalHigh]

340. As I posted in another reply...

If Dick Cheney is reading this, he is probably laughing hysterically. A thread about Dick Cheney and nobody is even talking about him.

[hlthe2b]

350. The OP did so with their choice of slurs.

As CBGLuthier has pointed out downstream, the OP "could have called him a coward. Coward works just fine. but then

they would have only had about 20 replies agreeing [..] instead of 300 plus arguing about [..] poor sexist choice of language".


And, yes, we know you can curse.... Woopee. Grow up.

[MrMickeysMom]

357. Awww… what child is this...

that shows how grown up you are in the process of hearing a message. That parental advice made a point…

Language isn't written for a sole group of people (e.g., those not pleased by HOW the message was established, over those who actually are). For the rest of us, we can handle language in any form, because it is just that.

If any "coarse" words get in the way of your hearing the same message, don't worry… that particular message along with similar ones on this board wasn't meant for you, anyway.

Now, have a good day and don't forget to get all the stains around the rim next time you clean the DU toilet mouths.

[TreasonousBastard]

375. Makes ya wonder sometimes, doesn't it...

when a thread gets derailed over a word.

Do they really hate the word more than Cheney, or are they just nuts? Or worse.

[pintobean]

377. Oh, great

nuts - more genitalia insults.

[TreasonousBastard]

380. If you think that's funny...

didja see this:

I'm convinced there are people trying to destroy this place and there are enough idiots here to fall right into their hands.

On Sun Dec 14, 2014, 08:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Anyone can look through this thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5960888

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Accusing people of doing the shit you are doing is pretty rude and over the top inappropriate. Seems like this guy could use that time-out.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 14, 2014, 08:32 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
In case you haven't heard:


Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sounds like more of a personal issue than anything a jury needs to decide.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I can't stand pintobean and would love to see a timeout but this is not hideworthy.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: More abuse of the alert system.


Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[pintobean]

382. I assumed every one of my posts were alerted.

It's really nice to see honest jurors, even, or especially, the ones who can't stand me. Thanks for sharing that. It both amused me, and made me feel better about this place.

[R B Garr]

388. Yes, you do like to be amused by the jury system.

It seems to be a great source of amusement for you since you post about it so often. It just seems that others deserve to feel good about this place, as well.

"It both amused me, and made me feel better about this place."

[pintobean]

390. Did it sting?

[R B Garr]

392. See, this is your stock-in-trade.

That comment was useless except to provoke a comment that you can get hidden. This just confirms my comment to you (edit: and your own words confirm that) -- you use the jury system for your amusement.

[pintobean]

394. Wrong. I very rarely alert on replies to me.

Maybe you should worry about something more worthwhile - and real.

[R B Garr]

398. What made replies to you the only barometer?

You know more about what goes in HoF than I do. In fact, one could say what goes on in HoF is an obsession with you. Is that what you mean by worrying about something more real and worthwhile?

And thanks for your sudden concern about my "worry"-- so sincere, I'm sure.

[Enthusiast]

229. He is far worse than a pussy.

He is the lowest form.

[Sweeney]

233. Have you considered the possibility that black is white, and white is black

Just as the French Blanch ( white ) became our black, some times things become their opposite. What if pussy were a good thing; you know, a truly wonderful gift of an all knowing God for an unworthy servant sort of good. Maybe Cheney is just a sadistic ideological criminal. Maybe pussy is the most wonderful invention God ever made fact upon the planet.

Thanks... Sweeney

[Enthusiast]

238. I knew a Sweeney once.

More than once, actually. Weasels, one and all. I kid. They are kin.

[noiretextatique]

383. i was on that jury

not about your post, but the one you responded to. i cannot (and can) believe that shit was not hidden. DU sucks more and more each day.

[Sweeney]

620. Color me gone

Don't worry about the idiots on this sight feeling like losers... The idiots win around here.

Best... Sweeney

[akbacchus_BC]

230. Just saw your thread, you know you will be alerted on!

Perhaps, you could use another term to describe that piece a shit!
Worst person on earth as far as I know.
Have no idea why the press entertains him but of late, we all know the press is not fair.
Hope you do not get penalised for your words!

[NaturalHigh]

243. It was already alerted. They jury voted to leave.

[Warren DeMontague]

234. 50 recs.

Hmmmmm.

[bigwillq]

271. Well, the OP IS telling the truth about Cheney

even if it's a poor choice of words.

[B Calm]

302. Many of those recs are from du members who are sick of the PC police

who get offended at any little thing.

[seabeyond]

303. yes. many of the rec are simply for the fact a sexist slur was used. wow, something to brag about.

[B Calm]

304. LOL

[NaturalHigh]

306. It wasn't a sexist slur. You know as well as anyone she didn't mean it that way.

This whole thing is a manufactured outrage.

[seabeyond]

307. grovel like a bieber fangirl. do not tell me what i think and know, regardless of my posts in this

thread. that is cheap, dishonest, rude.

[NaturalHigh]

308. Wait - I thought you were upset about the OP.

The "sexist slur" you're talking about is "Bieber fangirl"?



It would be simpler if people would just post the words that we're allowed to use. The list of "words that shall not be used" is getting too long.

[seabeyond]

314. wait. your posting history shows sexism is not an issue for you. you do not recognize it.

hence, these conversations are a waste of time with you.

[NaturalHigh]

315. Actuall, you're wrong. REAL sexism is very much an issue for me.

[B Calm]

311. BINGO! Manufactured outrage.

[boston bean]

363. Like you? You're the one who mentioned it.

I responded to it in another post after someone else brought up how wrong I was because so many people rec'd the thread.

Yeah, like DU recs are a barometer of anything......

[NaturalHigh]

591. Did 70 people really think SI is evil?

Let me guess - they were offended by the editors' blatant favoritism toward Alabama in the BCS. That must have been it.

[NaturalHigh]

600. I don't remember the rec policing or counting.

I do remember the Sports Illustrated War of 2014. It wasn't long after the Great Door Opening Debate.

[sabrina 1]

513. That is true. The OP now has over 11,000 views. That's a good thing as it means a whole

lot of people got to read about Cheney the War Criminal. So everything has a purpose I suppose, though I can't understand why anyone would keep kicking a threat they say they are offended by.

[Quantess]

241. You just offended my genitalia.

Dick Cheney is a rotten, evil ghoul who stays alive by drinking infants' blood.

Please don't compare that creep to genitalia.

[Recursion]

249. Pussies are strong, resilient, beautiful, and create life.

So, no, he's not a pussy.

[raccoon]

253. I think the OP used the term "pussy" just to be inflammatory.

He/she could've used a lot of other words. Word processors have a thesaurus.

And google is your friend.

[yuiyoshida]

266. Trashing this tread.

baka tare.

[demmiblue]

316. Yo, tambien.

Hay muchos idiotas aqui. Especialmente, el MRA.

[yuiyoshida]

364. I would agree with you..

But the last time I wrote something in Japanese, some idiot flagged my message and it was hidden by a jury. Xenophobia raised its ugly head.

[Paladin]

274. Well said, JQP.

I knew the wording would set off a lot of people, but your condemnation of Cheney is spot-on correct.

[boston bean]

275. I'm always so flattered when persons

uses sexist slurs for womens body parts to slam, insult, tear down a disgusting human being.

Gives me the warm fuzzies!

[NaturalHigh]

277. I think it has been well established...

that most people don't consider it a sexist slur.

[boston bean]

278. In the context it was used here in this OP

it is sexist and homophobic.

diddle away at convincing yourself and trying to convince others that it is not so, and that no one else's opinion holds any merit.

Talk about close minded...

[NaturalHigh]

279. The thing about opinions - they're not facts...

and reasonable people can disagree. I don't find the OP offensive, and judging by the number of recs, a lot of other people don't either.

[boston bean]

280. We got a lot of people that use sexist language.

And many that are fine with it. That's about all the recs prove.

[NaturalHigh]

283. Like I said about opinions...

I guess we're just going to disagree on this one.

[boston bean]

285. Take what you say about opinions and apply them to yourself.

We will disagree. And know that I disagree with you vehemently, and keep in mind that many many people, beyond this little progressive discussion board where many are accepting of sexist and misogynist and homophobic language and ideas, disagree with you.

[NaturalHigh]

287. I don't doubt that for a second.

Probably not as many as you would like to think, though.

[boston bean]

288. I would like to think a lot of things to make a better world.

We all know that there are a lot of sexist/misogynists/homophobes and racists out there in this world.

Some who are outright that, and others who go along to get a long. Others who do no critical thinking about their culture.

Hell, you're right that's a hell of a lot of people. I'm glad I'm a not in that group.

[NaturalHigh]

289. "I would like to think a lot of things to make a better world."

So would I. Pretty sure we have different ideas about how to make that happen, though.

[boston bean]

296. Well, I know my idea does not include using sexist/misogynistic/racist/homophobic language.

And beyond that, working to identify and provide support to right those injustices based on those biases in culture to make the world a better place.

Happy to do that!

[DawgHouse]

292. You see, when "most" people don't consider it a slur, it's perfectly fine.

Doesn't matter if it is in fact, feminizing an insult.

[WhiteTara]

305. JaneQP I refuse to associate that evil

with the gates of paradise. Please find a new word.

[PowerToThePeople]

310. misogyny

Can't rec this.

Cheney is a chickenhawk.

[malaise]

320. I prefer to call him a war criminal of a

Dick but your points are valid.
I'd like to see Bill Moyers or Keith Olbermann interrogate ReTHUG scumbag.

[MrMickeysMom]

324. Hey, Jane...

Isn't this interesting? I totally agree with you, btw, but no one alerted your use of the word that got my post hidden in comment (can't even remember what idiot I was referring to at the time).

I would never do that, but it's interested that the same persons who might have taken issue with the word are particular as to making exceptions.

Hmmm….

[NaturalHigh]

326. Actually, the OP was alerted on.

The jury voted to leave, and this has been flaming ever since.

[MrMickeysMom]

329. Yes… I engaged fingers before reading entire thread on that one...

But, isn't the CENTRAL theme how we'd love to incarcerate Dick Cheney.

In Jail We Trust… (then fill in the blank at what we pretty much all would be thinking at that point).

[Socal31]

331. Stay Classy, DU.

[NaturalHigh]

344. This is calm. Wait until the SI Swimsuit Issue comes out.

[seaglass]

345. I think you have more posts in this thread than anyone else. Wonder what that says about you. n/t

[NaturalHigh]

346. That I find it interesting?

That people keep replying to me and I feel compelled to answer? That it's a Sunday afternoon?

No need to wonder - say anything you want about me. I've heard (and read) worse.

[seaglass]

348. What is interesting? The OP certainly wasn't, it was unoriginal and poorly written. Without the

sexist slur it wouldn't generate much more than a +1 comment. So what is so interesting about this thread?

[NaturalHigh]

352. As is the case with most threads...

the replies back and forth are the interesting parts.

[seaglass]

353. Yeah, I guess if the conversation hadn't been had a million times already it would be. n/t

[NaturalHigh]

355. This is the first time I've engaged in the conversation.

Well, about this particular word anyway. I always get irritated when presented with a new "word that shall not be used." Then there's the whole "sexist slur" accusation upthread I felt obliged to answer.

[delta17]

359. Some sexist slurs must be more equal than others.

It's OK to call David Gregory a dick, for example.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024848242#post2

[NaturalHigh]

360. Par for the course.

The use of the OP's "word that shall not be used" is apparently fine in the safe haven group where some of the posters here went to insult her. It's hypocritical.

[BlueStater]

376. Some people here just look for things to be offended by.

The fact of the matter is that ANY word can be offensive under the right context. There was a thread not too long ago where the word "gal" was used and a ton of people went apeshit over it. Good fucking God.

[boston bean]

409. There are so many people offended by people discussing the sexist and homophobic usage of the word

"pussy".

Wish those offended by that discussion would get a grip.

[NaturalHigh]

535. I personally wish the people offended by one commonly-used word...

would "get a grip." It's apparently not offensive when the members of your group use to insult someone whom you personally locked out of the conversation.

[NaturalHigh]

533. Yes, I've noticed that.

In the years I've been here, people have looked for more and more words to ban. I think it's their equivalent of winning a game.

[CBGLuthier]

333. The Power of Words. You could have called him a coward. Coward works just fine. but then

you would have only had about 20 replies agreeing with you instead of 300 plus arguing about your poor sexist choice of language.

[punkin87]

362. Yes, and an asshole!

[alarimer]

370. It's a tad problematic to call someone weak by referring to a female body part.

Kinda sexist, if you ask me.

I'd personally say Dick Cheney is an asshole, if it's a body part you need.

[MrMickeysMom]

374. Hi! I'm Dick, and what a wuss I am (rhymes with….)

"Puss"...

You make ask, "Why am I, a Dick, really a puss?" Well, I'll review…

Aug. 29, 1964: Dick and Lynne Cheney marry.

May 19, 1965: The Selective Service classifies Dick Cheney 1-A, "available immediately for military service."

July 28, 1965: President Lyndon Johnson says draft calls will be doubled.

Oct. 26, 1965: The Selective Service declares that married men without children, who were previously exempted from the draft, will now be called up. Married men with children remain exempt.

Jan. 19, 1966: The Selective Service reclassifies Dick Cheney 3-A, "deferred from military service because service would cause hardship upon his family," because his wife is pregnant with their first child.

July 28, 1966: Elizabeth Cheney is born.

Jan. 30, 1967: Dick Cheney turns 26 and therefore becomes ineligible for the draft.

But… that ain't all… I'm an un-indicted war criminal, since then, as the primary signatory of the Project for the New American Century, the document that set up false flag operations on behalf of oil interests...

Oh, Here's more evidence in the form of quotes that I was so wrong about so much at the expense of others -

CHENEY: Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
~Dick Cheney, August 26, 2002

CHENEY: "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
~ Dick Cheney, March 16, 2003

CHENEY: "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly, . . . [in] weeks rather than months."
~ Dick Cheney, March 16, 2003

CHENEY: Two days ahead of schedule, the world witnessed the arrival of a free and sovereign Iraq.
~ Dick Cheney, June 28, 2004

JOURNALIST: About a year ago, you said that the insurgency in Iraq was in its final throes. Do you still believe this?
CHENEY: Yes.

~ Dick Cheney, March 18, 2006

um ... ok ... then why in 2007 did Bush/Cheney have to buy the surge?
CHENEY: If we had to do it over again we would do exactly the same thing."
JOURNALIST: Exactly the same thing?

CHENEY: Yes, Sir.

~ Dick Cheney, September 10, 2006

So, if you think I'm just known as "Dick", remember… I'm more… so much more…

[Major Hogwash]

378. Do you remember the 2004 Republican National Convention . . .

. . . when many of the people that attended that convention wore "Purple Heart" band aids on their cheeks on 1 night of their convention to mock the fact that Senator John Kerry had been awarded 3 Purple Heart medals in the Vietnam War?

I will never forget that.

[MrMickeysMom]

379. Neither will I… what a bunch of whores...

(no offense to sex workers…)

Here's a sampling, meanwhile, of the GOP who didn't have any service, just hyperbole…

Prominent Republicans

Representative Patrick McHenry, R-NC - did not serve. Saw fit to endanger American troops' lives after a visit to Iraq by violating operational security and helping militias target their mortar attacks on the Green Zone.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve.
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve.
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO - did not serve.
House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL - did not serve.
House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI - did not serve.
National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK - did not serve.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - did not serve.
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.
Former Senator Fred Thompson - did not serve.
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so in 2000? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.

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Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)

[dissentient]

397. Cheney, Bush, Rice, and the rest of the gang need to be prosecuted for war crimes, lying, and

making falsely misleading claims that another country had weapons of mass destruction, in order to build support for war.

To say, "we must look forward" is letting criminals off the hook. When a crime is committed, justice demands action, not excuses.

[AngryOldDem]

408. I'd like to see Cheney have a good sit-down with John McCain.

Not that it would happen, since Cheney has already proven his courage many times over.

Disgusting, reprehensible POS.

[NCTraveler]

417. The op says a lot more about you than it does Cheney.

Tons more. Some people can't even attempt to hide it. The acceptance of some on this board of blatantly sexist language says a lot. Multiple times over the last week I have read individuals use "panties" as a descriptor, now you are throwing out pussy. If you substituted "cock-sucker" for pussy every person here would get it and be offended by the connection. As would I. They would all understand how the comparison is used. Instead, it is a play on word insinuating weakness based on something attached to women. Free fucking pass there. What is weak it the intellectual thought put behind your op. Nothing pussy about it at all. Just a lack of thought and intelligence.

[MrMickeysMom]

470. Good grief… could you be more descriptive?

I mean, everyone knows that "pussy" and "cock-sucker" are so at the same level of double-entendres.

I suggest you trash the thread.

[Major Hogwash]

481. Your comment is hilarious!

You even went so far as to use the aforementioned offending term in your post!!!

[snooper2]

428. If we are using body parts is he more of a BOOB or a DICK

[Bonobo]

432. What's wrong with being sexy? nt

[KamaAina]

441. He is not which you cannot prove so stop saying that!

I love pussies!

[LexVegas]

442. What other insensitive perjoratives do you use?

I bet there are a lot of them.

[stevenleser]

447. Don't know why that was necessary. It's a subject guaranteed to cause DUers to fight with each other

[NM_Birder]

455. You win........ Dick Cheney IS a pussy.

After two threads locked trying to start a discussion regarding the sexist comment of calling someone a pussy, the moderator has convinced me. Dick Cheney is a fucking pussy.........and that is just fine.

Gongrats DU, calling people a pussy is "OK".

[dawg]

464. The words we use have an amazing power to impact the way we think.

Studies have shown that speakers of different languages actually think and behave differently due to the varying words that are available in their respective languages and the context within which those words are typically used.

Personally, I think it's damaging to used gendered insults in an attempt to "feminize" or "homosexualize" a presumably straight male. I know that generally isn't the intention of the person making the insult, but the very language itself carries a subtle affirmation that "male" and "straight" are inherently the "good" way to be, so we insult this man by implying that he is otherwise.

Use of language like this, while seeming to be a very small issue to some, is just one way that societal norms get reinforced and passed down to the next generation. People get angry when they are called out on it, because in their mind they didn't mean to be misogynistic or homophobic in the slightest. They were just using words the way they've heard them used all of their lives.

But to me, it does matter. The fact that people have used words this way all our lives is exactly why we need to stop using them that way now.

[gort]

465. you know when you use sexist terms, you only let the Waddaboutists win!

"They use sexist terms on a democratic board, so why can't I?", says every right wing, sexist, racist, bigoted Whaddaboutist everywhere.

How pusillanimous of you.

[KMOD]

474. Shouldn't this post be locked as off-topic by now?

It's not and hasn't been about the ass Dick Cheney?

[B Calm]

525. Is that the goal of the PC police?

[NaturalHigh]

571. I wish they would just post a list of words...

that we are allowed to use. The "words that shall not be used" list is getting too long to keep up with. It also seems to be a question of just who is allowed to use certain words and where. As far as the "controversial" word in the OP is concerned, it seems like it's just fine for certain people to use in a certain group.

[Lunacee_2013]

504. I wonder....

If it's ok to use "pussy" as an insult here, can I use the male version to call Cheney what he really is? Which is a soulless, evil, little dickhead.

It is a little backwards to compare that dick to vaginas. Vaginas bring new life into the world, while Dick just destroys it.

[delta17]

582. Go ahead.

It's well established that you can call someone a dick or prick on DU, which is why the outrage over this thread is ridiculous.

[Go Vols]

585. +1

[Lunacee_2013]

603. Do I really need to explain why

being called a pussy is worse then being called a dick? Ask any guy on the street and I'm sure most of them would rather be called a dick. And there's the fact that it's not only sexist (the word pussy), but homophobic as well.

[PeteSelman]

522. Yes, he is.

I have nothing to add, you've said it all.

[NM_Birder]

540. Nothing lower to call Cheney? No term more insulting,

more degrading, humiliating nor weak descriptive word can used other than slang for vagina ?

How about try saying " It's sexist to call someone, ......ANYONE....... a pussy"

[NaturalHigh]

587. If a term for male genitalia was used...

would you be equally offended? I'm trying to figure out the ground rules here.

[delta17]

589. Mitt Romney will release his tax returns

before you get an answer to that. Good luck...

[NaturalHigh]

590. LOL...yeah, on reflection, I've decided not to hold my breath.

Those chirping crickets sure sound pretty, though.

[Sunlei]

548. GHOUL, a word understood around the world. Keep Tweety bird happy!

Ghoul, origin Arabic.

[Gothmog]

566. Dick Cheney is a coward and a chickenhawk

[SummerSnow]

577. my dream is for him to go on Rachel Maddow .lol. He would probably try and strangle her.

[akbacchus_BC]

596. He is a dick, not a pussy!

[B Calm]

601. He's both!

[samsingh]

602. he's a coward, fool, imbecile, cold blooded, maybe a killer

pussy is a nice warm lovely word and should not be used in this context.

[Rex]

611. Anyone that would shoot you in the face and blame you for it after a few drinks

is a malicious coward who it appears is very sadistic. Cheney is the trinity of hubris - arrogant, assholish, heartless. The kind of guy that would accidentally shoot you in the face. Or on purpose it is really hard to tell with his type.

[lpbk2713]

622. May Cheney have a miserable 2015.

At least his momma named him right.