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Triana

(22,666 posts)
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 12:55 PM Dec 2014

"If there was no US prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS. The prison was a factory. It made us”


Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of Isis.

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According to Hisham al-Hashimi, the Baghdad-based analyst, the Iraqi government estimates that 17 of the 25 most important Islamic State leaders running the war in Iraq and Syria spent time in US prisons between 2004 and 2011. Some were transferred from American custody to Iraqi prisons, where a series of jailbreaks in the last several years allowed many senior leaders to escape and rejoin the insurgent ranks.

Abu Ghraib was the scene of the biggest – and most damaging – breakout in 2013, with up to 500 inmates, many of them senior jihadists handed over by the departing US military, fleeing in July of that year after the prison was stormed by Islamic State forces, who launched a simultaneous, and equally successful, raid on nearby Taji prison.

Iraq’s government closed Abu Ghraib in April 2014 and it now stands empty, 15 miles from Baghdad’s western outskirts, near the frontline between Isis and Iraq’s security forces, who seem perennially under-prepared as they stare into the heat haze shimmering over the highway that leads towards the badlands of Falluja and Ramadi.

Parts of both cities have become a no-go zone for Iraq’s beleaguered troops, who have been battered and humiliated by Isis, a group of marauders unparalleled in Mesopotamia since the time of the Mongols. When I visited the abandoned prison late this summer, a group of disinterested Iraqi forces sat at a checkpoint on the main road to Baghdad, eating watermelon as the distant rumble of shellfire sounded in the distance. The imposing walls of Abu Ghraib were behind them, and their jihadist enemies were staked out further down the road.

The revelation of abuses at Abu Ghraib had a radicalising effect on many Iraqis, who saw the purported civility of American occupation as little improvement on the tyranny of Saddam.


THE REST:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/-sp-isis-the-inside-story?CMP=twt_gu

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RELATED:

How the Top Iraqi Terrorist Was Helped by a Bush-Signed Agreement


With the crisis in Iraq intensifying, conservative media outlets have searched for a fall guy and found one: President Barack Obama. In recent days, conservative websites have peddled the claim that it was Obama who freed the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the Al Qaeda-inspired Islamic militant group currently overrunning cities in northern Iraq and threatening Baghdad. Referring to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who heads ISIS, the Daily Mail asserts, "Obama SET FREE the merciless terrorist warlord now leading the ISIS horde blazing a trail of destruction through Iraq." Right-wing author David Horowitz's FrontPage Magazine claims Baghdadi, who was once held by US forces in Iraq, was released "on Obama's watch." And RedState.com says Baghdadi was let go under the Obama administration's "policy of releasing terrorists." But they have it wrong: It was an agreement signed by President George W. Bush in 2008 that led to Baghdadi's release in 2009.

In 2005, US military forces captured Baghdadi. (There are not many public details about his capture or his role then in the ongoing insurgency.) He was held in a US-run detention camp in southern Iraq called Camp Bucca, where he remained for several years.

In 2008, while reducing the numbers of US troops in the country, Bush signed an agreement with the Iraqi government that mandated that all detainees be handed over to Iraqi forces. In accordance with this agreement, Baghdadi was transferred to Iraqi custody in 2009, and by 2010, the Iraqi government (for a reason not explained publicly) had set him free. That same year, Baghdadi assumed leadership of ISIS. He has since been dubbed "the new bin Laden."

It's not as if Bush could have prevented Baghdadi's release by maintaining control over detainees—in part because his administration had so screwed up on this front. (See Abu Ghraib.) At the time, "the United States' detainee programs had become a black eye," says Patrick Johnston, an expert on Iraqi insurgent groups at the RAND Corporation. US-run detention facilities were overcrowded; some prisoners were tortured. Continuing a large US-controlled detainee program "was a political nonstarter," he adds.

THE REST:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-release-george-bush
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"If there was no US prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS. The prison was a factory. It made us” (Original Post) Triana Dec 2014 OP
No! They hate us for our freedoms! Vox Moi Dec 2014 #1
Shocked to see that blowback is going on in here... nt truebluegreen Dec 2014 #2
Sounds logical to me nt newfie11 Dec 2014 #3
Okay, everyone thank Cheney and Bush for creating the newest terrorist organization. Rex Dec 2014 #4
I'm sure that the bombs we drop and the drones we send now don't help matters either. Autumn Dec 2014 #5
That was the whole point 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #6
Mission Accomplished Octafish Dec 2014 #7
Bush's treason is the gift that keeps on giving to our enemies. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #8
Everyone who is surprised by this stand on your head... hifiguy Dec 2014 #9

Vox Moi

(546 posts)
1. No! They hate us for our freedoms!
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 01:08 PM
Dec 2014

The above is one of the most specious claims I ever heard, ranking right up there with this gem:
An investigation into 911 would distract us from hunting down the killers.
These where Bush, of course and people swallowed these insane arguments whole.
Because it's what they want to hear.
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Maybe what Bush was really saying is that critical thinking is antithetical to the plan.
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The "New Bin Landen" is just another in a string of Bogeymen created by America to cow Americans and justify perpetual warfare and foreign interventions.

Nothing is more valuable to those who rule than an external threat and if you don't have one, you can create one. This one cuts off heads. Perfect.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. Okay, everyone thank Cheney and Bush for creating the newest terrorist organization.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 01:38 PM
Dec 2014

Someone send Cheney's worthless ass to Iraq, maybe he can beg for forgiveness.


Thanks guys! What a team!


Seriously great job there!

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
6. That was the whole point
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 03:51 PM
Dec 2014

The military industrial complex created, trained and funded this mercenary force (ISIS) to stop progression in the middle east and to conquer land while at the same time making trillions fighting it.

Its a pretty sweet racket they have going there.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
9. Everyone who is surprised by this stand on your head...
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 05:48 PM
Dec 2014
The lesson that history teaches is that history can teach no lessons to imbeciles and greedheads.
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