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Yay Obama, he did what he said he'd do and we're finally getting over the cold war!
He complimented the Cubans on their Ebola efforts in Africa especially.
Imagine that up until now the US media kept this kind of information repressed.
First president since the cold war started to have RESPECT for our neighbors!
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)waiting for the republican rebuttal
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and other slams. The right wing Cubans are going nuts over this because their money stream just ended!
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)malaise
(268,998 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)We just use it for detention and torture, is all.
(Guantanamo Bay belongs to Cuba, we're unwelcome squatters.(No, I'm not blaming Obama either, this is Congress's fault))
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The 1934 contract has multiple credible means to void it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)folks of the grateful world that ignored the African epidemic, a real one, because there was no profit in it?
frazzled
(18,402 posts)I bet you were hoping he didn't.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)think
(11,641 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)HE GETS IT!
And he even used the most used phrase in Havana "No es facil" - it's not easy - that certainly describes the life of most Cubans for the past 50 years
Cha
(297,221 posts)Hey flamingdem.. I just got on and saw a bunch of threads about Cuba.. I know nothing except I decided to get on yours and start reading.
I'll know more in a few..
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Cubano Hawaiiano!!
Cha
(297,221 posts)amigos who were just trying to get work.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)how difficult can 'no es facile' be to figure out.
As in cha cha cha.
Que pasa?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)quack quack! He just messed up many Republican talking points and funding for Jeb Bush dried up too!
Cha
(297,221 posts)Dudette @Dudette9t9
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Two weeks after the mid-terms: I got yer Lame Duck right here. #Badass #POTUS
7:05 PM - 20 Nov 2014 22 Retweets 14 favorites
http://theobamadiary.com/2014/11/20/hump-day-means-laughter/#comment-1194436
'Couse now there's more! This is great! This is Fantastic News.. Mahalo!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)A detail for me is that Fidel is a Leo too and that contemporary Cuba was "born" July 26th 1959 - also under the sign of Leo.
Cha
(297,221 posts)Gracias for the modern Cuba birthday.. I like to know these things.
The courage of a lion..
A New Beginning With Cuba
"Following months of secret negotiations with the Cuban government, President Obama on Wednesday announced sweeping changes to normalize relations with Havana, a bold move that ends one of the most misguided chapters in American foreign policy."
snip//
"Mr. Obama could have taken modest, gradual steps toward a thaw. Instead, he has courageously gone as far as he can, within the constraints of an outmoded 1996 law that imposes stiff sanctions on Cuba in the pursuit of regime change"
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/opinion/a-new-beginning-with-cuba.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&_r=0
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No plans for Pres Obama to visit Cuba, says @PressSec, but if an oppty arose, "I'm sure he wouldn't turn it down."
9:21 AM - 17 Dec 2014 41 Retweets 7 favorites
So much for Senator Menendez' "It's against the law.."
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)No wonder we understand Obama he he
Roarrrrr!
I do think that when I see him calmly sitting in wait, stalking prey, and batting them down!
Roarrrrrrr x2!
Cha
(297,221 posts)fellow Leo.. I'm sure not all Leos get along but we do!
That's a freaking beautiful pic of a lion, flamingdem.. that's going on my FB.. at some point when I feel it's just right.
Gawd.. they're amazing animals~
Cha
(297,221 posts)niyad
(113,303 posts)(too bad we cannot follow their model, because they are, after all --SOCIALISTS!)
http://www.workers.org/2009/world/cuba_0910/
http://www.accuracy.org/release/cubas-hurricane-preparedness-a-model-for-florida-and-the-gulf-coast/
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/09/Worldandnation/Can_we_learn_from_Cub.shtml
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)That's for sure! Lessons to be learned.
malaise
(268,998 posts)education and being a great neighbor.
niyad
(113,303 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Much if not all of their farmland is planted organically. (Started because due to sanctions, they were not allowed American pesticides.)
malaise
(268,998 posts)and Florida reefs.
http://www.alertdiver.com/Cubas-Coral-Reefs
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)We need to engage and communicate with the other Cubans.
It is not fair that only a privileged few get to travel to the island.
Also, younger Cubans (third gen) want normalized relations with Cuba.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)So much money flowed to the Republicans over Cuba and quite a few Florida Democrats too, but way, way less money for them.
True it's absurd and against US professed values to restrict travel, that can't go away fast enough!
ReRe
(10,597 posts)...says PO is the "single worst negotiator in his lifetime." And that "PO has let the Cuban people down." Republicans are out of their everlovin' effing minds.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)this issue is not a winner for them. Now it's a big loser, yay!!
No more dinero for you Rubio, your usefulness is over.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... the louder they protest and the more absolutely stupid things they say proves that PO won this one. As Biden would say "This is a big fucking deal!"
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Maybe we won't have to go to London to smoke one anymore.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Even though he doesn't smoke cigars. But he does appreciate fine quality anywhere it can be found.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I hear Cuban cigars are the best, though.
calimary
(81,265 posts)He smokes cigars (thankfully - outside!) and has often talked at length about the uniqueness of the Cuban soil that just happens to grow the finest tobacco leaves on the planet. When he's interested in something he usually starts studying it at great length and intensity. Not a smoker myself so I wouldn't know a good cigar from a bad one - except, to me, they all just smell stinky. But I DO LOVE all the cool cigar bands!
frazzled
(18,402 posts)When we were children, at the beginning of the school year each fall we would go to my grandfather's house, and he would bring out all the cigar boxes he'd saved all year. We would then choose our favorites--the prettiest onesto take to use as pencil boxes for our desks at school. It was an annual tradition.
He would also give us the bands from his cigars and we would wear them as rings.
I'm guessing that many of these boxes and bands were Cuban, since until I was 12 years old, you could still get Cubans. But mostly I remember the El Producto boxes: my grandfather smoked them because George Burns did:
Once a handmade premium blend of Havana and Puerto Rican tobaccos, enjoying such national popularity from the 1910s to the 1960s that even Elvis Presley was wild about El P's Altas and Diamond Tips, Burns' "little lady" has since become a pale shadow of her former self.
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/The-El-Producto-Story_7552
calimary
(81,265 posts)What if there were a jewelry division for "gifts for the lady" (who puts up with that cigar smoke all year - NOT my favorite!!! Thank God my husband smokes his outside!). Take the most beautiful or elegant or cool cigar bands, and have the designs made into real rings. Either enamel - cloisonné or some such, or for the high-enders, colored jewels. Swarovski crystals or even a premium version with genuine stones. Maybe contract with Cartier or something for some super affluent clients. The kind who can afford expensive cigars. If so, why couldn't that kind of customer gift his love like that.
This is the kind of thing I LOVE to imagine.
Like - take a look at that beautiful woman in the red gown with the hand-held harp. Shit, I'd love to see a line of neckties with that on them. A quality printing or hand-painted. Or socks. Or fine silk scarves. You could frame one and hang it on the wall - quite literally a piece of art, or stitch two together so that it becomes a top you can throw over your head. Or a caftan or something. Dang - I once met a young artist who'd written a book on making a living as an illustrator. He kept returning to a basic point - there's so much art everywhere. Look at labels on packages, for example. Advertising, for example. Logos and mascots and symbols. I've been at small airports where the images of the cover girls near the nose of vintage war planes are all over the place. Embellishments! The urge to decorate and embellish is everywhere you look. If there's any imagery there, some artist or illustrator or Photoshop expert or designer came up with that. So I started becoming conscious of all the art out there. It's everywhere! Dang - any grocery store aisle is a veritable museum!
I've seen whole cigar boxes put to use for personal adornment. Mainly purses. They make great evening clutches. Many of them are the perfect size and some have carvings or inlay or relief sculpture or wood-burning on the lids. Or slick lacquer in a great color. You can start a conversation just by setting it on the table next to you. They take beautifully to shoulder straps because many of them have clasps. Some of the clasps are really lovely, worth looking at by themselves. Shiny, sometimes elaborate brass hardware contrasted with the smooth wood or paper covering, and they're totally functional. Just really cool things of beauty, those cigar boxes. GREAT "importancy" boxes. LOVE 'em!
I took one cigar band I liked and flattened it out, and then glued it carefully onto this plain black plastic cuff bracelet. Turned it into a gorgeous bracelet that I'm proud to wear and is a really eye-catching conversation piece. And cheap!
And have you gone online and seen the cigar box GUITARS? Google it. So wonderful as to be almost excruciating! Almost too much to wrap your head around!
Dang, I LOVE this stuff!
Makes suffering through the cigar smoke worthwhile!
Makes me want to go start a crafting project or something... Crafters are gonna love this policy change, I'll bet!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)"Un tobacco" as they say in La Habana - good for your health!
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and talking to the Pope at the beach.
There is a cigar festival every February by the way, get your tickets!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)A Canadian golf buddy of mine, goes to Cuba 2 -3 times a year.
After a round, he invited me to share a cigar and an 80 year old Rum. The rum was soooo good!
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Maybe I'll have a chance. Make mine a Cuba Libre, bartender.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Coke in Rum! Perish the thought.
Get an aged rum ... sip it straight. It ALMOST made me put down my single malts.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)The Irish invented whisky. Give me an aged single pot still Irish any day. You can suck down your single malts from Scotland, of all places, but I'll stick to the real thing, thanks.
On the other hand, a real American aged Rye is not a bad thing, either.
P.S. Half of my ancestors are Irish and half Scottish. I favor the Irish side, though, when it comes to drinking.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And they are excellent cigars. The dad of a good law school friend lived in London at that time. Every time my friend went to visit his dad he'd bring back a couple of boxes of real Cuban cigars. Those were saved for post-finals celebrations. Marvelous cigars...
corkhead
(6,119 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Lucy! Let's go to La Habana, to bad they never did that on the show. Ricky was connected to Batista via his dad I believe.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)in spite of the fact that this will never be stated clearly.
A leader recognizes things in another and I'm glad Obama was able to square things and understand the big picture regarding Cuba's history.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Pete Seeger's version:
Poesía de José Martí
Versos Sencillos-1891
I-YO SOY UN HOMBRE SINCERO...
Yo soy un hombre sincero
De donde crece la palma,
Y antes de morirme quiero
Echar mis versos del alma.
Yo vengo de todas partes,
Y hacia todas partes voy:
Arte soy entre las artes,
En los montes, monte soy.
Yo sé los nombres extraños
De las yerbas y las flores,
Y de mortales engaños,
Y de sublimes dolores.
Yo he visto en la noche oscura
Llover sobre mi cabeza
Los rayos de lumbre pura
De la divina belleza.
Alas nacer vi en los hombros
De las mujeres hermosas:
Y salir de los escombros,
Volando las mariposas.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)There's a bust of Jose Marti in Echo Park . . .
at least there was last time I drove by!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Every May they have a party all day in Echo Park near that statue.
I found out my ancestor knew Marti and I'm researching that era. Will be easier now to do so en La Habana
Myrina
(12,296 posts)monmouth4
(9,705 posts)they truly love America....
joanbarnes
(1,722 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)will double check but Americans will benefit from the drugs and protocols they've developed.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)Kennedy was working behind the scenes with Castro and Khrushchev to normalize relations. Of course, those efforts were snuffed out in Dallas.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)and have a wall of fallen comrades the length of our Vietnam Memorial in Pretoria's great Freedom Park, an outdoor monument to all the peoples of the world who have helped the blacks of South Africa regain their freedom.
Cuba will be a great comfort for those in this country who miss the feeling of democracy that comes from a classless society.
I love Pete Seeger, but prefer the original.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and yes to the original. (or si!)
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)This is MAJOR!
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)<snip>
Worthy traveled to China (195657) and Cuba (1961) in violation of United States State Department travel regulations. At the time he entered China, Worthy was the first American reporter to visit and broadcast from there since the country's communist revolution in 1949. While in China Worthy interviewed Samuel David Hawkins, an American soldier who was captured by the Chinese during the Korean War and defected to China in 1953. His passport was seized upon his return to the U.S. from China and American lawyers Leonard Boudin and William Kunstler represented Worthy in an unsuccessful lawsuit seeking the return of his passport. Without a passport, Worthy traveled to Cuba in the early days of Fidel Castro to report on the Cuban revolution, and upon his return to the U.S. he was tried and convicted for "returning to the United States without a valid passport." Worthy was again represented by Kunstler, who successfully persuaded a federal appeals court to overturn Worthy's conviction. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit found the restrictions unconstitutional. The court held that the government could not make it a crime under the Constitution to return home without a passport. Years later, Kunstler wrote in his autobiography, My Life As A Radical Lawyer, that the Worthy passport case was his "first experience arguing an issue about which I felt passionate," was the "first time I had ever invalidated a statute," and that success "confirmed my faith in the justice system."
Until looking up Worthy for this reply, I wasn't aware that he died this year. The world lost an important journalist -"The Most Important Journalist Youve Never Heard Of": Remembering William Worthy (1921-2014)...from Democracy Now.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)will read up
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Contrast the situation in Cuba with that in Mexico.
While Cubans have a lot of problems, their government has become more inclusive and more liberal, providing increasing religious freedom among other things, but Mexico is terrorized by the narcos and in some areas frightened of its police forces.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)the way Mexico and the rest of the Americas have. Their isolation from the USA has stood them well, actually.
Going there will feel like a breath of fresh, democratic air to me, if not many others.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)It's a good day!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)I have been a major Cuba fan for years and have visited many times. So happy mostly for the long suffering Cubans, they really are an amazing people with a sense of humor that's unique. They'll be great (friendly) neighbors!
Central Scruitinizer
(57 posts)All this is mere posturing and posing.
An Executive Order normalizing relations and commerce would put teeth into it and really force the GOPers to wail.
Cha
(297,221 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,787 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)can't wait to go back
nikto
(3,284 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Love it thanks for the video link
kwassa
(23,340 posts)wonderful traditions in both.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)where Cuba is concerned.
I remember after 9/11 Cuba offered to send help, they wanted to send doctors to help with the injured, as they do all over the world. The US said 'no thanks'.
So I am glad he is acknowledging the work they do at last.
Michael Moore took some of the heroes of 9/11, the first responders, to Cuba for treatment because they could not get it here in their own country.
At the end of their visit, the Cuban FD met with the first responders and expressed how sad they were they could not have been there for them that day. It was a very emotional scene.
Excellent news, that is two pieces of great news today, no fracking in NY and this.
Cha
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President Obama spoke with #Cuba's Raul Castro yesterday by phone, highest level US Cuba presidential engagement since Cuba revolution
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"We will begin to normalize relations between our two countries." President Obama #CubaPolicy
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Mahalo flamingdem
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)So happy today, more than a few tears, it's been a slog for all involved. I started visiting Cuba in the 90s and back then we thought things would change always.. next year or so, so it took a loong time but how interesting that the parts all came together right now.
What a surprise!!! Obama knocks it outta the park. Speaking of baseball, Cuban baseball is an issue in all of this too, so many great players, the favorite sport of the country, (not soccer).
And then there's the religion, well one of the many, with Ellegua who opens the doors. Ellegua is the Orisha - African / Cuban saint, who will be thanked today for clearing obstacles.
Even though, as a Cuba fan I know it's another very speial day today in Cuba - El Dia de San Lazaro. That saint is the one that suffers, but let's hope that's something that will very soon be greatly reduced!
Cha
(297,221 posts)And, thank you for the Vid.. which I will watch when I get a minute and get back to you.
I bet it's been awful for all involved.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)There is now no real reason to not accept Cuba as our neighbor.
Any torture chambers thay had built for their dissidents we can now build better for ours. (And with more secrecy. And with less remedy.)
Rex
(65,616 posts)He proves it time and again. Pope Francis gets a shout out for rocking the boat as well! We need to stop punishing Cuba for the acts during the Cold War.
This has been a long time coming.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and the heads are exploding on the right.
True, we need to forgive Cuba for the cold war, and they need to forgive us for some things too!
Cha
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http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/17/a-tweet-or-two-cuba/
Cha
(297,221 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)also used in soccer or "futbol" - that which causes a gooooooaaaaal
Cha
(297,221 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)then I scared the beJesus out of her and told her that there's a bill in the House to declare Che Guevara a national holiday they'll be voting on it before Christmas. She almost choked. I told her I was joking but her reaction was priceless. She told me that wasn't funny. I said it was freaking hilarious
I kill me
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)a Che t-shirt!
The commies are coming
Cha
(297,221 posts)Cha
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Music from the land of my fathers and mothers.***
Cachao Guajira clasica
It's from a resident Cuban Librarian in California who writes great articles on the Obama Diary..
http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/17/night-owl-chat-cuba/
Beautiful! There's more at the link, flamingdem
YOu can go to the link to listen though.. https://www.youtube .com/watch?v=C5QPq0oTlb0.. but I don't know how to get you to the link without that ! mark showing up instead of the url?
Okay that's how you do it.. I separated it.. so all you have to do is bring them together(the "youtube" & the ".com" part) and google that url and viola!
Cha
(297,221 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)which would have included a doctor who was a specialist in disaster service, Dr. Luis Sauchay. Jebthro's ill-mannered brutha never responded to those Cuban volunteers.
Cuba also offered resources for 9/11 recovery; the offer was petulantly turned down by BushCo.
He's doing the right thing.
DFW
(54,378 posts)I was there as a guest of the government, and when I asked about the mechanics of getting my visa, the Cubans told me, "hey, man, WE don't have a problem with you coming." Actually no one did. The whole bureaucratic acrobatics exercise was a farce.
The Russians (Soviets in those days) paraded around like colonial masters. It was kinda ugly to watch. One of the funniest incidents was when I was in the hard currency shop in my hotel buying some post cards. There was an Aeroflot crew trying to buy some electronics to take home, and they were having a difficult time communicating with the poor sales girl who spoke only Spanish and rudimentary English. Since I speak both Russian and Spanish, and didn't feel like waiting an extra half hour for five post cards, I offered to interpret for them. The Soviets were gone in less than 5 minutes, and both parties thanked me, the Russians assuming I was a Cuban who had learned Russian from them, and the sales girl assuming I was a Russian who was there in some official capacity and had learned Spanish "back in the USSR." You have to present your passport when you buy in a hard currency shop in Cuba, and the look on her face when she saw my American passport almost made me break out laughing. I just went back and forth between Russian and Spanish in Cuba and had a US passport. You could see the letters "C I A" written in her widening eyes (I wasn't).
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Cha
(297,221 posts)Cha
(297,221 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)We in this country can learn a lot from their doctors, lawyers, scholars, musicians and others.
They can benefit from a little more capitalism and we can benefit from a little more socialism.
They will certainly maintain their own history. Via travel, everyone will learn more about each other. I believe Mark Twain said travel helps reduce prejudice.
Yay President Obama and his Administration.
Diplomatic relations with Cuba!
eridani
(51,907 posts)Hope that doesn't mess up the deal!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)Look...Rubio and Cruz are against the president for doing this simply for one reason....THEY DIDN'T DO IT FIRST....They want to run for president and both being Cuban would have been a Latino voter dream vote to have Rubio or Cruz come out and say.... "As president, I will remove sanctions from Cuba and begin to recognize Cuba as a trade partner, etc., etc." but again Mr Obama ruined the party...
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)womanofthehills
(8,706 posts)Gosh - because they could not import pesticides, they had to develop ways to grow organically.
"Cubas transition to organic agriculture emerged as a necessary response to the food crisis that gripped the nation in the early 1990s. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union and a longstanding trade embargo that severely constrained industrialised agricultural practices on the island, Cuban producers turned the declining availability of pesticides, fertilisers and petroleum into an opportunity to shift towards organic production with numerous environmental, social and economic gains.
http://www.unep.org/greeneconomy/SuccessStories/OrganicAgricultureinCuba/tabid/29890/Default.aspx
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/apr/04/organics.food
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)And my personal favorite Cuban contribution: Bon Jovi's drummer.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10341335
rocktivity