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flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:09 PM Dec 2014

Obama listing all the great things Cubans have contributed to the world MSNBC now

Yay Obama, he did what he said he'd do and we're finally getting over the cold war!

He complimented the Cubans on their Ebola efforts in Africa especially.

Imagine that up until now the US media kept this kind of information repressed.

First president since the cold war started to have RESPECT for our neighbors!

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Obama listing all the great things Cubans have contributed to the world MSNBC now (Original Post) flamingdem Dec 2014 OP
He also said an embassy will be built in Cuba...wow. this is historic. SummerSnow Dec 2014 #1
Ted Cruz said that Obama is the worst negotiator since Jimmy Carter flamingdem Dec 2014 #2
And his approval among Latinos just went up over the approval by African Americans. 2016 is a lock. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #6
Google Rubio or Cruz malaise Dec 2014 #3
Already have one. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #10
Guantanamo is rented from the Cubans but the Cubans can't unilaterally cancel the deal. DetlefK Dec 2014 #105
They stopped cashing our checks after the cuban revolution. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #110
Saving the world from an epidemic of Ebola, AND Fearbola, did he mention that to the Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #4
Yes, he did frazzled Dec 2014 #19
Double down and I will take that bet to my bank. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #25
Thank you for the heads up. This is great news /nt think Dec 2014 #5
Obama describing the "end of colonialism and communism" flamingdem Dec 2014 #7
Haha.. I knew what "no es facil" meant before you translated! Cha Dec 2014 #65
How did you know!!? You must be friends with a flamingdem Dec 2014 #68
No, I learned a bit of Espanol on the streets of San Diego back in the day from all my Cha Dec 2014 #71
Even if one doesn't speak Spanish, pangaia Dec 2014 #108
Bravo. Diplomacy we can cheer for. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #8
More history in the making from the Obama admin! Politicub Dec 2014 #9
He's not the lame duck the repubs hoped for flamingdem Dec 2014 #13
I gotcher Lame Duck right here, flamingdem.. Cha Dec 2014 #73
I know right! He's such a Leo Lion flamingdem Dec 2014 #74
And, I was born on Castro's birthday.. August 13th.. how's that for Leo! Hawaii is August 21, 1959 Cha Dec 2014 #76
Oh wow Cha, I'm a Leo too born a day before you! flamingdem Dec 2014 #78
I wanted to ask.. and when were you born? Cool.. Cha Dec 2014 #79
I love it, Politicub! Cha Dec 2014 #72
one of many things in cuba that has seriously impressed me is their hurricane preparation: niyad Dec 2014 #11
They know what they're doing with emergency response flamingdem Dec 2014 #14
My four - healthcare, dental care malaise Dec 2014 #64
so very true. niyad Dec 2014 #83
That is a very good list... Can I add this one: truedelphi Dec 2014 #86
And importantly it shows the difference between Cuban reefs malaise Dec 2014 #87
Great job by Obama. Republican monopoly in Cuba is over. Tatiana Dec 2014 #12
Yes! I think you highlighted the most important political gain for us!! flamingdem Dec 2014 #16
Rubio just called PO "ignorant" !!! ReRe Dec 2014 #15
They should keep quiet but they can't help themselves - flamingdem Dec 2014 #17
Well, that's how we have to look at it... ReRe Dec 2014 #30
yeah, he hates Cubans SummerSnow Dec 2014 #85
He hates himself. n/t ReRe Dec 2014 #104
He forgot great cigars! MineralMan Dec 2014 #18
That was my husband's comment as well frazzled Dec 2014 #22
I don't smoke 'em either. MineralMan Dec 2014 #26
And mine! And all his cigar-loving friends. calimary Dec 2014 #97
The bands and boxes frazzled Dec 2014 #118
I LOVE cigar bands! I think cigar companies are missing the boat on a nice "side thing." calimary Dec 2014 #119
Ha ha this is something Americanos really support! flamingdem Dec 2014 #23
Someone gave me a subscription to MineralMan Dec 2014 #29
There is a great back issue with an illustration of Castro smoking a cigar flamingdem Dec 2014 #31
And Rum ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #33
Hmm...Never tasted Cuban rum. MineralMan Dec 2014 #34
You Blasphemer! ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #35
Speaking of blasphemy... MineralMan Dec 2014 #36
BOOKERS !! pangaia Dec 2014 #109
My first thought. hifiguy Dec 2014 #52
Not to mention the 3 camera TV sitcom in front of a live studio audience corkhead Dec 2014 #20
ha ha! I grew up watching that no wonder I heart Cuba! flamingdem Dec 2014 #24
I'll drink to that. pacalo Dec 2014 #99
Did he add not kowtowing to the so-called greatest nation on earth? lol. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #21
Leo to Leo I imagine that Obama had some respect for Castro flamingdem Dec 2014 #28
I think you are right on there. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #37
Yo soy un hombre sincero . . . ucrdem Dec 2014 #27
Quote from Jose Marti! Perfect. flamingdem Dec 2014 #42
Classic. ucrdem Dec 2014 #45
I forgot about that! flamingdem Dec 2014 #53
Maybe he's setting Cuba up to take Cruz back ... Myrina Dec 2014 #32
As a Floridian, I can tell you my Cubano neighbors are the best, friendly and funny and monmouth4 Dec 2014 #38
LOVE CUBA! Did he mention medical care and medical advancements? joanbarnes Dec 2014 #39
Yes I think so flamingdem Dec 2014 #48
FOX "News" no doubt is saying he's praising a fellow commie. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #40
After the Cuban missile crisis deutsey Dec 2014 #41
Cubans drove us and South Africans back from Angola's civil war; fought RENAMO with Mozambiquens ancianita Dec 2014 #43
Yes indeed, so much needs to be known flamingdem Dec 2014 #51
This is outstanding! cudos to President Obama on this. m-lekktor Dec 2014 #44
Obama's decision would have pleased William Worthy ... DreamGypsy Dec 2014 #46
wow, didn't know about this flamingdem Dec 2014 #49
Yeah, like our respect for our neighbors in Haiti. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #47
This is good for both Cuba and the U.S. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #50
Better for the US than for Cuba, whose society hasn't felt the toxic taint of our so-called drug war ancianita Dec 2014 #56
Thanks flamingdem! Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #54
So happy, thanks Cali_D flamingdem Dec 2014 #62
Grandstanding on hollow words Central Scruitinizer Dec 2014 #55
Bull.. your post is hollow and ignorant. Cha Dec 2014 #106
Don't know about you, but I'm "Havana Daydreamin'". . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2014 #57
nice! me too flamingdem Dec 2014 #61
I played this loud, and it was good nikto Dec 2014 #88
Did he mention the great music? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #58
The music is enough reason to end the blockade against Cuba flamingdem Dec 2014 #60
I am a fan of Cuban music and food. kwassa Dec 2014 #59
This is very good news. I am glad to finally see the US joining the rest of the world sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #63
Here we go.. Cha Dec 2014 #66
Mahalo Cha! flamingdem Dec 2014 #67
Thanks for that rundown on what Cuba means to you, flamingdem.. how sweet! Cha Dec 2014 #70
As one police state to another (or at least to a nation we have deemed a police state) truedelphi Dec 2014 #69
I'm 43, I've said over and over that Obama is the greatest POTUS in my lifetime. Rex Dec 2014 #75
Yes indeed, so glad that Obama is a very lively lame duck flamingdem Dec 2014 #77
And, one more thing.. Cha Dec 2014 #80
How do you say "kick" in Espanol? Cha Dec 2014 #81
he he se dice "una patada" flamingdem Dec 2014 #82
Gracias! Una patada! Cha Dec 2014 #90
My Rethug neighbor was talking about this today, she was pretty agitated.. SummerSnow Dec 2014 #84
Good one! And everyone in congress will be required to wear flamingdem Dec 2014 #89
Una patada~ Cha Dec 2014 #91
Musica Cubana! Sorry, the music has played out! Darn! I thought it would go on forever! Cha Dec 2014 #92
KICK Cha Dec 2014 #101
Wow.. I'm really enjoying listening to this Cuban Music.. thanks for inspiring, flamingdem! Cha Dec 2014 #93
Cuba offered medical relief to New Orleans after Katrina... pacalo Dec 2014 #94
I've been to Cuba. "No es fácil" describes it perfectly. DFW Dec 2014 #95
Very interesting; glad you shared that. pacalo Dec 2014 #96
Una patada.. reminds me of Hakuna Matata.. Cha Dec 2014 #98
Una patada Cha Dec 2014 #100
.. Cha Dec 2014 #102
Amazing and unqualified great news. lovemydog Dec 2014 #103
What if they refuse to take Rubio and Cruz off our hands? eridani Dec 2014 #107
We could meet halfway. Then leave them there. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #112
Look.... rtracey Dec 2014 #111
This is a good thing for us. I hope for them. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #113
Organic farming and urban garden revolution in Cuba womanofthehills Dec 2014 #114
.. Cha Dec 2014 #115
Here's a story about their medical efforts rocktivity Dec 2014 #116
Una patada! Cha Dec 2014 #117

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
1. He also said an embassy will be built in Cuba...wow. this is historic.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:11 PM
Dec 2014

waiting for the republican rebuttal

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
2. Ted Cruz said that Obama is the worst negotiator since Jimmy Carter
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:13 PM
Dec 2014

and other slams. The right wing Cubans are going nuts over this because their money stream just ended!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
10. Already have one.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:39 PM
Dec 2014

We just use it for detention and torture, is all.

(Guantanamo Bay belongs to Cuba, we're unwelcome squatters.(No, I'm not blaming Obama either, this is Congress's fault))

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
110. They stopped cashing our checks after the cuban revolution.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:45 AM
Dec 2014

The 1934 contract has multiple credible means to void it.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Saving the world from an epidemic of Ebola, AND Fearbola, did he mention that to the
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:13 PM
Dec 2014

folks of the grateful world that ignored the African epidemic, a real one, because there was no profit in it?

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
7. Obama describing the "end of colonialism and communism"
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:17 PM
Dec 2014

HE GETS IT!

And he even used the most used phrase in Havana "No es facil" - it's not easy - that certainly describes the life of most Cubans for the past 50 years

Cha

(297,221 posts)
65. Haha.. I knew what "no es facil" meant before you translated!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:26 PM
Dec 2014

Hey flamingdem.. I just got on and saw a bunch of threads about Cuba.. I know nothing except I decided to get on yours and start reading.

I'll know more in a few..

Cha

(297,221 posts)
71. No, I learned a bit of Espanol on the streets of San Diego back in the day from all my
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:02 PM
Dec 2014

amigos who were just trying to get work.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
108. Even if one doesn't speak Spanish,
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:04 AM
Dec 2014

how difficult can 'no es facile' be to figure out.



As in cha cha cha.

Que pasa?

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
13. He's not the lame duck the repubs hoped for
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:41 PM
Dec 2014

quack quack! He just messed up many Republican talking points and funding for Jeb Bush dried up too!

Cha

(297,221 posts)
73. I gotcher Lame Duck right here, flamingdem..
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:16 PM
Dec 2014

Dudette @Dudette9t9
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Two weeks after the mid-terms: I got yer Lame Duck right here. #Badass #POTUS
7:05 PM - 20 Nov 2014 22 Retweets 14 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/11/20/hump-day-means-laughter/#comment-1194436

'Couse now there's more! This is great! This is Fantastic News.. Mahalo!

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
74. I know right! He's such a Leo Lion
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:35 PM
Dec 2014

A detail for me is that Fidel is a Leo too and that contemporary Cuba was "born" July 26th 1959 - also under the sign of Leo.

Cha

(297,221 posts)
76. And, I was born on Castro's birthday.. August 13th.. how's that for Leo! Hawaii is August 21, 1959
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:59 PM
Dec 2014

Gracias for the modern Cuba birthday.. I like to know these things.

The courage of a lion..

A New Beginning With Cuba

"Following months of secret negotiations with the Cuban government, President Obama on Wednesday announced sweeping changes to normalize relations with Havana, a bold move that ends one of the most misguided chapters in American foreign policy."

snip//

"Mr. Obama could have taken modest, gradual steps toward a thaw. Instead, he has courageously gone as far as he can, within the constraints of an outmoded 1996 law that imposes stiff sanctions on Cuba in the pursuit of regime change"

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/opinion/a-new-beginning-with-cuba.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&_r=0

Mark Knoller ✔ @markknoller
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No plans for Pres Obama to visit Cuba, says @PressSec, but if an oppty arose, "I'm sure he wouldn't turn it down."
9:21 AM - 17 Dec 2014 41 Retweets 7 favorites

So much for Senator Menendez' "It's against the law.."



flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
78. Oh wow Cha, I'm a Leo too born a day before you!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:03 PM
Dec 2014

No wonder we understand Obama he he

Roarrrrr!

I do think that when I see him calmly sitting in wait, stalking prey, and batting them down!

Roarrrrrrr x2!

Cha

(297,221 posts)
79. I wanted to ask.. and when were you born? Cool..
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:12 PM
Dec 2014

fellow Leo.. I'm sure not all Leos get along but we do!

That's a freaking beautiful pic of a lion, flamingdem.. that's going on my FB.. at some point when I feel it's just right.

Gawd.. they're amazing animals~



truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
86. That is a very good list... Can I add this one:
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:51 PM
Dec 2014

Much if not all of their farmland is planted organically. (Started because due to sanctions, they were not allowed American pesticides.)

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
12. Great job by Obama. Republican monopoly in Cuba is over.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:41 PM
Dec 2014

We need to engage and communicate with the other Cubans.

It is not fair that only a privileged few get to travel to the island.

Also, younger Cubans (third gen) want normalized relations with Cuba.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
16. Yes! I think you highlighted the most important political gain for us!!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:43 PM
Dec 2014

So much money flowed to the Republicans over Cuba and quite a few Florida Democrats too, but way, way less money for them.

True it's absurd and against US professed values to restrict travel, that can't go away fast enough!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
15. Rubio just called PO "ignorant" !!!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:42 PM
Dec 2014

...says PO is the "single worst negotiator in his lifetime." And that "PO has let the Cuban people down." Republicans are out of their everlovin' effing minds.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
17. They should keep quiet but they can't help themselves -
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:45 PM
Dec 2014

this issue is not a winner for them. Now it's a big loser, yay!!

No more dinero for you Rubio, your usefulness is over.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
30. Well, that's how we have to look at it...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:53 PM
Dec 2014

... the louder they protest and the more absolutely stupid things they say proves that PO won this one. As Biden would say "This is a big fucking deal!"

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
22. That was my husband's comment as well
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:48 PM
Dec 2014

Even though he doesn't smoke cigars. But he does appreciate fine quality anywhere it can be found.

calimary

(81,265 posts)
97. And mine! And all his cigar-loving friends.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:39 AM
Dec 2014

He smokes cigars (thankfully - outside!) and has often talked at length about the uniqueness of the Cuban soil that just happens to grow the finest tobacco leaves on the planet. When he's interested in something he usually starts studying it at great length and intensity. Not a smoker myself so I wouldn't know a good cigar from a bad one - except, to me, they all just smell stinky. But I DO LOVE all the cool cigar bands!

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
118. The bands and boxes
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 11:31 AM
Dec 2014

When we were children, at the beginning of the school year each fall we would go to my grandfather's house, and he would bring out all the cigar boxes he'd saved all year. We would then choose our favorites--the prettiest ones——to take to use as pencil boxes for our desks at school. It was an annual tradition.

He would also give us the bands from his cigars and we would wear them as rings.

I'm guessing that many of these boxes and bands were Cuban, since until I was 12 years old, you could still get Cubans. But mostly I remember the El Producto boxes: my grandfather smoked them because George Burns did:

Taking out an ivory holder, he'd light an El Producto Queen, a perfecto-shaped cigar that Burns liked to call "my little lady."

Once a handmade premium blend of Havana and Puerto Rican tobaccos, enjoying such national popularity from the 1910s to the 1960s that even Elvis Presley was wild about El P's Altas and Diamond Tips, Burns' "little lady" has since become a pale shadow of her former self.

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/The-El-Producto-Story_7552


calimary

(81,265 posts)
119. I LOVE cigar bands! I think cigar companies are missing the boat on a nice "side thing."
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:59 AM
Dec 2014

What if there were a jewelry division for "gifts for the lady" (who puts up with that cigar smoke all year - NOT my favorite!!! Thank God my husband smokes his outside!). Take the most beautiful or elegant or cool cigar bands, and have the designs made into real rings. Either enamel - cloisonné or some such, or for the high-enders, colored jewels. Swarovski crystals or even a premium version with genuine stones. Maybe contract with Cartier or something for some super affluent clients. The kind who can afford expensive cigars. If so, why couldn't that kind of customer gift his love like that.

This is the kind of thing I LOVE to imagine.

Like - take a look at that beautiful woman in the red gown with the hand-held harp. Shit, I'd love to see a line of neckties with that on them. A quality printing or hand-painted. Or socks. Or fine silk scarves. You could frame one and hang it on the wall - quite literally a piece of art, or stitch two together so that it becomes a top you can throw over your head. Or a caftan or something. Dang - I once met a young artist who'd written a book on making a living as an illustrator. He kept returning to a basic point - there's so much art everywhere. Look at labels on packages, for example. Advertising, for example. Logos and mascots and symbols. I've been at small airports where the images of the cover girls near the nose of vintage war planes are all over the place. Embellishments! The urge to decorate and embellish is everywhere you look. If there's any imagery there, some artist or illustrator or Photoshop expert or designer came up with that. So I started becoming conscious of all the art out there. It's everywhere! Dang - any grocery store aisle is a veritable museum!

I've seen whole cigar boxes put to use for personal adornment. Mainly purses. They make great evening clutches. Many of them are the perfect size and some have carvings or inlay or relief sculpture or wood-burning on the lids. Or slick lacquer in a great color. You can start a conversation just by setting it on the table next to you. They take beautifully to shoulder straps because many of them have clasps. Some of the clasps are really lovely, worth looking at by themselves. Shiny, sometimes elaborate brass hardware contrasted with the smooth wood or paper covering, and they're totally functional. Just really cool things of beauty, those cigar boxes. GREAT "importancy" boxes. LOVE 'em!

I took one cigar band I liked and flattened it out, and then glued it carefully onto this plain black plastic cuff bracelet. Turned it into a gorgeous bracelet that I'm proud to wear and is a really eye-catching conversation piece. And cheap!

And have you gone online and seen the cigar box GUITARS? Google it. So wonderful as to be almost excruciating! Almost too much to wrap your head around!

Dang, I LOVE this stuff!

Makes suffering through the cigar smoke worthwhile!

Makes me want to go start a crafting project or something... Crafters are gonna love this policy change, I'll bet!

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
23. Ha ha this is something Americanos really support!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:48 PM
Dec 2014

"Un tobacco" as they say in La Habana - good for your health!

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
29. Someone gave me a subscription to
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:52 PM
Dec 2014
Cigar Aficionado last year as a joke. I learned a lot about Cuban cigars in its pages. Cigar smokers will cheer improved relations with Cuba, I think.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
31. There is a great back issue with an illustration of Castro smoking a cigar
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:53 PM
Dec 2014

and talking to the Pope at the beach.

There is a cigar festival every February by the way, get your tickets!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
33. And Rum ...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:00 PM
Dec 2014

A Canadian golf buddy of mine, goes to Cuba 2 -3 times a year.

After a round, he invited me to share a cigar and an 80 year old Rum. The rum was soooo good!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. You Blasphemer! ...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:09 PM
Dec 2014

Coke in Rum! Perish the thought.

Get an aged rum ... sip it straight. It ALMOST made me put down my single malts.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
36. Speaking of blasphemy...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:13 PM
Dec 2014

The Irish invented whisky. Give me an aged single pot still Irish any day. You can suck down your single malts from Scotland, of all places, but I'll stick to the real thing, thanks.

On the other hand, a real American aged Rye is not a bad thing, either.

P.S. Half of my ancestors are Irish and half Scottish. I favor the Irish side, though, when it comes to drinking.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
52. My first thought.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:03 PM
Dec 2014

And they are excellent cigars. The dad of a good law school friend lived in London at that time. Every time my friend went to visit his dad he'd bring back a couple of boxes of real Cuban cigars. Those were saved for post-finals celebrations. Marvelous cigars...

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
24. ha ha! I grew up watching that no wonder I heart Cuba!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:50 PM
Dec 2014

Lucy! Let's go to La Habana, to bad they never did that on the show. Ricky was connected to Batista via his dad I believe.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
28. Leo to Leo I imagine that Obama had some respect for Castro
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:52 PM
Dec 2014

in spite of the fact that this will never be stated clearly.

A leader recognizes things in another and I'm glad Obama was able to square things and understand the big picture regarding Cuba's history.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
42. Quote from Jose Marti! Perfect.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:43 PM
Dec 2014

Pete Seeger's version:


Poesía de José Martí
Versos Sencillos-1891

I-YO SOY UN HOMBRE SINCERO...

Yo soy un hombre sincero
De donde crece la palma,
Y antes de morirme quiero
Echar mis versos del alma.

Yo vengo de todas partes,
Y hacia todas partes voy:
Arte soy entre las artes,
En los montes, monte soy.

Yo sé los nombres extraños
De las yerbas y las flores,
Y de mortales engaños,
Y de sublimes dolores.

Yo he visto en la noche oscura
Llover sobre mi cabeza
Los rayos de lumbre pura
De la divina belleza.

Alas nacer vi en los hombros
De las mujeres hermosas:
Y salir de los escombros,
Volando las mariposas.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
53. I forgot about that!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:05 PM
Dec 2014

Every May they have a party all day in Echo Park near that statue.

I found out my ancestor knew Marti and I'm researching that era. Will be easier now to do so en La Habana

monmouth4

(9,705 posts)
38. As a Floridian, I can tell you my Cubano neighbors are the best, friendly and funny and
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:27 PM
Dec 2014

they truly love America....

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
48. Yes I think so
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:00 PM
Dec 2014

will double check but Americans will benefit from the drugs and protocols they've developed.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
41. After the Cuban missile crisis
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:36 PM
Dec 2014

Kennedy was working behind the scenes with Castro and Khrushchev to normalize relations. Of course, those efforts were snuffed out in Dallas.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
43. Cubans drove us and South Africans back from Angola's civil war; fought RENAMO with Mozambiquens
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:45 PM
Dec 2014

and have a wall of fallen comrades the length of our Vietnam Memorial in Pretoria's great Freedom Park, an outdoor monument to all the peoples of the world who have helped the blacks of South Africa regain their freedom.




Cuba will be a great comfort for those in this country who miss the feeling of democracy that comes from a classless society.

I love Pete Seeger, but prefer the original.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
46. Obama's decision would have pleased William Worthy ...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:50 PM
Dec 2014
William Worthy, Jr. (July 7, 1921 – May 4, 2014): was an African-American journalist, civil rights activist, and dissident who pressed his right to travel regardless of U.S. State Department regulations.

<snip>

Worthy traveled to China (1956–57) and Cuba (1961) in violation of United States State Department travel regulations. At the time he entered China, Worthy was the first American reporter to visit and broadcast from there since the country's communist revolution in 1949. While in China Worthy interviewed Samuel David Hawkins, an American soldier who was captured by the Chinese during the Korean War and defected to China in 1953. His passport was seized upon his return to the U.S. from China and American lawyers Leonard Boudin and William Kunstler represented Worthy in an unsuccessful lawsuit seeking the return of his passport. Without a passport, Worthy traveled to Cuba in the early days of Fidel Castro to report on the Cuban revolution, and upon his return to the U.S. he was tried and convicted for "returning to the United States without a valid passport." Worthy was again represented by Kunstler, who successfully persuaded a federal appeals court to overturn Worthy's conviction. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit found the restrictions unconstitutional. The court held that the government could not make it a crime under the Constitution to return home without a passport. Years later, Kunstler wrote in his autobiography, My Life As A Radical Lawyer, that the Worthy passport case was his "first experience arguing an issue about which I felt passionate," was the "first time I had ever invalidated a statute," and that success "confirmed my faith in the justice system."




Until looking up Worthy for this reply, I wasn't aware that he died this year. The world lost an important journalist -"The Most Important Journalist You’ve Never Heard Of": Remembering William Worthy (1921-2014)...from Democracy Now.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
50. This is good for both Cuba and the U.S.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:01 PM
Dec 2014

Contrast the situation in Cuba with that in Mexico.

While Cubans have a lot of problems, their government has become more inclusive and more liberal, providing increasing religious freedom among other things, but Mexico is terrorized by the narcos and in some areas frightened of its police forces.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
56. Better for the US than for Cuba, whose society hasn't felt the toxic taint of our so-called drug war
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:46 PM
Dec 2014

the way Mexico and the rest of the Americas have. Their isolation from the USA has stood them well, actually.

Going there will feel like a breath of fresh, democratic air to me, if not many others.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
62. So happy, thanks Cali_D
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:33 PM
Dec 2014

I have been a major Cuba fan for years and have visited many times. So happy mostly for the long suffering Cubans, they really are an amazing people with a sense of humor that's unique. They'll be great (friendly) neighbors!

 
55. Grandstanding on hollow words
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:23 PM
Dec 2014

All this is mere posturing and posing.

An Executive Order normalizing relations and commerce would put teeth into it and really force the GOPers to wail.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
63. This is very good news. I am glad to finally see the US joining the rest of the world
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:40 PM
Dec 2014

where Cuba is concerned.

I remember after 9/11 Cuba offered to send help, they wanted to send doctors to help with the injured, as they do all over the world. The US said 'no thanks'.

So I am glad he is acknowledging the work they do at last.

Michael Moore took some of the heroes of 9/11, the first responders, to Cuba for treatment because they could not get it here in their own country.

At the end of their visit, the Cuban FD met with the first responders and expressed how sad they were they could not have been there for them that day. It was a very emotional scene.

Excellent news, that is two pieces of great news today, no fracking in NY and this.

Cha

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66. Here we go..
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:32 PM
Dec 2014
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flamingdem

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67. Mahalo Cha!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:45 PM
Dec 2014

So happy today, more than a few tears, it's been a slog for all involved. I started visiting Cuba in the 90s and back then we thought things would change always.. next year or so, so it took a loong time but how interesting that the parts all came together right now.

What a surprise!!! Obama knocks it outta the park. Speaking of baseball, Cuban baseball is an issue in all of this too, so many great players, the favorite sport of the country, (not soccer).

And then there's the religion, well one of the many, with Ellegua who opens the doors. Ellegua is the Orisha - African / Cuban saint, who will be thanked today for clearing obstacles.

Even though, as a Cuba fan I know it's another very speial day today in Cuba - El Dia de San Lazaro. That saint is the one that suffers, but let's hope that's something that will very soon be greatly reduced!

Cha

(297,221 posts)
70. Thanks for that rundown on what Cuba means to you, flamingdem.. how sweet!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:50 PM
Dec 2014

And, thank you for the Vid.. which I will watch when I get a minute and get back to you.

I bet it's been awful for all involved.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
69. As one police state to another (or at least to a nation we have deemed a police state)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:49 PM
Dec 2014

There is now no real reason to not accept Cuba as our neighbor.

Any torture chambers thay had built for their dissidents we can now build better for ours. (And with more secrecy. And with less remedy.)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
75. I'm 43, I've said over and over that Obama is the greatest POTUS in my lifetime.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:38 PM
Dec 2014

He proves it time and again. Pope Francis gets a shout out for rocking the boat as well! We need to stop punishing Cuba for the acts during the Cold War.

This has been a long time coming.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
77. Yes indeed, so glad that Obama is a very lively lame duck
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:00 PM
Dec 2014

and the heads are exploding on the right.

True, we need to forgive Cuba for the cold war, and they need to forgive us for some things too!

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
84. My Rethug neighbor was talking about this today, she was pretty agitated..
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:41 PM
Dec 2014

then I scared the beJesus out of her and told her that there's a bill in the House to declare Che Guevara a national holiday they'll be voting on it before Christmas. She almost choked. I told her I was joking but her reaction was priceless. She told me that wasn't funny. I said it was freaking hilarious






I kill me

Cha

(297,221 posts)
92. Musica Cubana! Sorry, the music has played out! Darn! I thought it would go on forever!
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:06 AM
Dec 2014

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Music from the land of my fathers and mothers.
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Cachao – Guajira clasica



It's from a resident Cuban Librarian in California who writes great articles on the Obama Diary..

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/17/night-owl-chat-cuba/

Beautiful! There's more at the link, flamingdem

YOu can go to the link to listen though.. https://www.youtube .com/watch?v=C5QPq0oTlb0.. but I don't know how to get you to the link without that ! mark showing up instead of the url?

Okay that's how you do it.. I separated it.. so all you have to do is bring them together(the "youtube" & the ".com" part) and google that url and viola!

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
94. Cuba offered medical relief to New Orleans after Katrina...
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:17 AM
Dec 2014

which would have included a doctor who was a specialist in disaster service, Dr. Luis Sauchay. Jebthro's ill-mannered brutha never responded to those Cuban volunteers.

Cuba also offered resources for 9/11 recovery; the offer was petulantly turned down by BushCo.

First president since the cold war started to have RESPECT for our neighbors!


He's doing the right thing.

DFW

(54,378 posts)
95. I've been to Cuba. "No es fácil" describes it perfectly.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:17 AM
Dec 2014

I was there as a guest of the government, and when I asked about the mechanics of getting my visa, the Cubans told me, "hey, man, WE don't have a problem with you coming." Actually no one did. The whole bureaucratic acrobatics exercise was a farce.

The Russians (Soviets in those days) paraded around like colonial masters. It was kinda ugly to watch. One of the funniest incidents was when I was in the hard currency shop in my hotel buying some post cards. There was an Aeroflot crew trying to buy some electronics to take home, and they were having a difficult time communicating with the poor sales girl who spoke only Spanish and rudimentary English. Since I speak both Russian and Spanish, and didn't feel like waiting an extra half hour for five post cards, I offered to interpret for them. The Soviets were gone in less than 5 minutes, and both parties thanked me, the Russians assuming I was a Cuban who had learned Russian from them, and the sales girl assuming I was a Russian who was there in some official capacity and had learned Spanish "back in the USSR." You have to present your passport when you buy in a hard currency shop in Cuba, and the look on her face when she saw my American passport almost made me break out laughing. I just went back and forth between Russian and Spanish in Cuba and had a US passport. You could see the letters "C I A" written in her widening eyes (I wasn't).

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
103. Amazing and unqualified great news.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:40 AM
Dec 2014

We in this country can learn a lot from their doctors, lawyers, scholars, musicians and others.

They can benefit from a little more capitalism and we can benefit from a little more socialism.

They will certainly maintain their own history. Via travel, everyone will learn more about each other. I believe Mark Twain said travel helps reduce prejudice.

Yay President Obama and his Administration.

Diplomatic relations with Cuba!

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
111. Look....
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:52 AM
Dec 2014

Look...Rubio and Cruz are against the president for doing this simply for one reason....THEY DIDN'T DO IT FIRST....They want to run for president and both being Cuban would have been a Latino voter dream vote to have Rubio or Cruz come out and say.... "As president, I will remove sanctions from Cuba and begin to recognize Cuba as a trade partner, etc., etc." but again Mr Obama ruined the party...

womanofthehills

(8,706 posts)
114. Organic farming and urban garden revolution in Cuba
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:35 AM
Dec 2014

Gosh - because they could not import pesticides, they had to develop ways to grow organically.

"Cuba’s transition to organic agriculture emerged as a necessary response to the food crisis that gripped the nation in the early 1990s. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union and a longstanding trade embargo that severely constrained industrialised agricultural practices on the island, Cuban producers turned the declining availability of pesticides, fertilisers and petroleum into an opportunity to shift towards organic production with numerous environmental, social and economic gains.

http://www.unep.org/greeneconomy/SuccessStories/OrganicAgricultureinCuba/tabid/29890/Default.aspx

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/apr/04/organics.food

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