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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI had really overloaded on Ferguson & didn't really get it about #s 10 & 40,
but I just heard Amy Goodman's coverage of the issue on the little Eau Claire low-power station, WYSE.
And I get it now. It's obvious that both of these witnesses were lying, were simply presenting invented stories that coincided with Wilson's version of events, and the prosecutors either knew they were lying or had failed to do due diligence with regard to checking those witnesses' stories.
McCulloch's behavior with the Grand Jury hearing was even more egregious than I had realized.
If the Feds can't blow the lid off this mess, what hope is there for justice?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)about another GJ. Even better would be if MO abolished the grand jury system and used the method that is used in half the states in the USA: a trial.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)In this case, the prosecutor used the GJ to insulate himself from the fallout of a decision not to prosecute.
He may have miscalculated--assuming there is still some semblance of the rule of law in this country.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)also and was known I find it hard to believe he did not know about her.
BobbyBoring
(1,965 posts)Grand juries will no longer handle police shootings. They will be handled by local prosecuters.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Like charges being filed.
But, I wouldn't count on it.
Has the MSM covered it yet?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)in a cave somewhere in the Himalayas. He is the last person in the world to ask about what the M$M are covering.
I'm second last.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)are talking about.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I think she beat you.
But hey, I find it very interesting that we 3 are all on the left end of the spectrum around here. Do you suppose there is any relationship between M$M exposure & Turd Way leanings?
underpants
(182,794 posts)I knew of witness 40 thanks to DU. It was so ridiculous it couldn't be real but it was finally officially exposed by The Smoking Gun.
What I didn't know was that Witness 40 was proof positive #1 case over proof of Wilson's innocence...... according to Hannity. He apparently cited Witness 40 endlessly. What an idiot.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)voting booth!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)discredit other witnesses by parsing words over how high the hands were, or if he was shot at or hit in the back.
Don't forget he also damned other witnesses for being liars, and in doing so, tried very hard to discredit and dismiss the entire AA community in Ferguson. He basically called them all liars.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's about teaching "them" who's boss.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Obviously, #40 is a racist and a liar but also was presented as such.
So, just because #10's testimony wasn't what you'd like it to have been makes them a liar? Their police interview was two days after the incident before anyone knew what Wilson's account even WAS. Same goes for most of the witnesses. They all did their police interviews before anyone knew what Wilson's account was, and there was a TON of complaining that we didn't know what it was for so long, and we never knew more than a few bits of it until after the grand jury made their decision and the documents were released.
Witness #10's account matches a number of others in great detail, their account is very detailed, if they weren't sure about something they said so, etc. They even admit that initially they felt that too much force was used and only on reflection and review of what he saw thought that Wilson didn't have another choice given the distance between him and Brown.
You're just claiming #10 lied for no other reason than you just don't like what he said. I'm sure you'd believe that all the witnesses that gave similar accounts to #10's are also lying. And for the same reason.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)His original story was quite different from what he told the GJ.
The discussion of problems in his testimony begins at about 43:30 here:
http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/0/d/1/0d1b1807171d1d06/dn2014-1217sd-fix.mp3?c_id=8063699&expiration=1418874958&hwt=4288c605347c6e8166002d90cb3683e2
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Something wrong with the plugin. I'm not interested in what someone with an obvious bias and agenda has comparing notes on the police interview and the grand jury testimony. When I find the grand jury testimony for the witness I'll see what it says myself, thanks. Curious that you don't point out these alleged issues concerning #10 yourself.
What, no comparison between Johnson's media interviews and his grand jury testimony? Of course not. Though there were significant changes in his story, like his insisting that Brown was shot in the back and he knew that because of the way his body jerked and changing that in his grand jury testimony, or insisting that Wilson pulled him into the car to changing that in his grand jury testimony to at no time was any part of Brown's body in Wilson's car, or Brown having both hands in the air to his grand jury testimony that only one was in the air and the other clutching his middle, or Brown being on his knees to never being on his knees and taking at least one step toward Wilson, or repeatedly saying that Wilson was belligerent when he first pulled up to them and told them to "get the fuck on the sidewalk" repeatedly in his testimony yet when making a more casual reference to that encounter says that Wilson "asked" them to get on the sidewalk and not realizing he'd used that word, claiming that Wilson grabbed Brown by the throat yet Brown could not only not manage to break his grip but instead of using his hands to do that or just the instinctive reaction of anyone being choked to use their own hands to try to remove what is constricting their breathing but just hands Johnson the cigarillos directly into his hands and puts both his hands on the top of the car to try breaking Wilson's alleged grip that way and is somehow unable to do it (yeah, right), etc.
All the witnesses that claim that Brown had his hands above his head in surrender and/or was on his knees except for possibly one were either friends or family members of either Brown or Johnson. Someone didn't give them the memo about Johnson's story changes from when he gave his initial interviews. Either they're all liars or Johnson is a liar because his story in his grand jury testimony don't match in significant ways. None of them claimed to see the altercation at the car either yet there are several witnesses favorable to Wilson that did all of whom claimed that matters.
I'd LOVE to go over every witness's account both their interviews and grand jury testimony except nobody has been willing to do that here. And like I said before, it's obvious why that is.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)indict b/c the witnesses who said Brown was trying to surrender had 'changed their stories' while leaving out the salient fact that the witnesses who supported Wilson's self-serving bullshit (including TTW's precious Witness #10) had also changed their stories.
This was a gross miscarriage of justice, occasioned by DA McCulloch's misprision of several felonies, not least perjury (by Witness #40) and obstruction of justice. McCulloch and his little Eichmanns (Alizadeh and Whirley) all need to be looking at a federal indictment. Otherwise, 'justice' means absolutely nothing. And blacks in Ferguson and St. Louis County will be fully entitled to take whatever measures are necessary henceforth to provide for their collective self defense, since the justice system is manifestly unable to do so.