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flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:03 PM Dec 2014

Obama Intends to Lift Several Restrictions Against Cuba on His Own

** get ready for head explosions as Obama moves forward leaving Rubio in a puddle of his own making


WASHINGTON — President Obama will move as soon as next month to defang the 54-year-old American trade embargo against Cuba, administration officials said Thursday, using broad executive power to defy critics in Congress and lift restrictions on travel, commerce and financial activities.

The moves are only the beginning of what White House officials and foreign policy experts describe as a sweeping set of changes that Mr. Obama can make on his own to re-establish commercial and diplomatic ties with Cuba even in the face of angry congressional opposition.
“The embargo is a container — it’s been that way since President Eisenhower — that’s had regulations and laws put into it and taken out of it and mixed about,” said John Kavulich of the U.S.-Cuba Trade and Economic Council. “President Obama is saying, ‘I’m going to leave a shell, but it’s going to be a proverbial Easter egg — it’s going to be hollow.’ ”

The Treasury Department will issue a series of regulations to ease agricultural exports and establish banking relations, administration officials said, and the Commerce Department will move to allow United States companies to export construction and telecommunications equipment, among other things, for sale in Cuba.

The Treasury Department will issue a series of regulations to ease agricultural exports and establish banking relations, administration officials said, and the Commerce Department will move to allow United States companies to export construction and telecommunications equipment, among other things, for sale in Cuba.

Taken together, the actions will render the embargo “a lot more holes than cheese,” said Robert L. Muse, a Washington-based lawyer who specializes in American laws relating to Cuba. “The president went big on this, and that produces a momentum of its own, so I expect that we’ll see these things go further and faster than anybody would have anticipated.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/us/politics/obama-intends-to-lift-several-restrictions-against-cuba-on-his-own.html?emc=edit_tnt_20141218&nlid=1811197&tntemail0=y&_r=0&referrer=


THIS IS A GREAT STATEMENT:
“The embargo is a container — it’s been that way since President Eisenhower — that’s had regulations and laws put into it and taken out of it and mixed about,” said John Kavulich of the U.S.-Cuba Trade and Economic Council. “President Obama is saying, ‘I’m going to leave a shell, but it’s going to be a proverbial Easter egg — it’s going to be hollow.’ ”

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Obama Intends to Lift Several Restrictions Against Cuba on His Own (Original Post) flamingdem Dec 2014 OP
Kick while I read this.. gracias flamingdem Cha Dec 2014 #1
Gracias Cha! flamingdem Dec 2014 #3
I bet! First the Latinos now the Cubanos.. poor rubio's going to need a gallon standby. Cha Dec 2014 #5
K Cha Dec 2014 #2
Obama opening up Cuba.. rubio will need more water.. Cha Dec 2014 #4
tres cool cartoon! flamingdem Dec 2014 #6
Finalmente! Pero, me gusta Viva Obama! Cha Dec 2014 #7
Obama has a superhuman talent for driving his opponents absolutely insane Recursion Dec 2014 #8
I love that Jeb will be on the wrong side on 2 Cuba policy issues flamingdem Dec 2014 #10
This will be bloody interesting! from you link.. Cha Dec 2014 #9
He should nominate Rand Paul then as it would really cause them to fight cstanleytech Dec 2014 #11
rand paul.. lol Cha Dec 2014 #13
I know but he sounds like the perfect at this time because of cstanleytech Dec 2014 #15
Also heard on NPR that the Iranians are watching closely and wishing the US would open up there too flamingdem Dec 2014 #12
It would be such a big step for peace if diplomatic relations were opened up with Iran.. Cha Dec 2014 #16
Rubio for Ambassador to Cuba Recursion Dec 2014 #14
Yeah, or cruz. Cha Dec 2014 #17
"Obama Should Not Normalize Relations WIth Tyrannical Communist Regimes!"!!!!11111 Cha Dec 2014 #18
"Obama abre la puerta a Cuba" Cha Dec 2014 #19
Arriba! Latin America loves this and many in Spain of course flamingdem Dec 2014 #20
Judging from the number of depts in play, Obama's been working on this meticulously.... Hekate Dec 2014 #21
This time 3d Cuba chess! flamingdem Dec 2014 #22
Jeb Bush should be pushed into a jail with his crack-head daughter Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2014 #28
Kicking~ sheshe2 Dec 2014 #23
Good deal. Now then, back to torture RobertEarl Dec 2014 #24
Is Strategic Defense Initiative the same thing as a Star Wars movie? Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2014 #27
Excellent. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Dec 2014 #25
John F. Kennedy had a tough approach to Cuba! Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2014 #26
+1 NoDoubt Dec 2014 #29
Love it malaise Dec 2014 #30

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
6. tres cool cartoon!
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:37 PM
Dec 2014

I heard that the Cubans were chanting Viva Obama last night in las calles! Or maybe they were saying "finally.."

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. Obama has a superhuman talent for driving his opponents absolutely insane
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:43 PM
Dec 2014

This issue is a huge GOP fault line, one that's already stressed over immigration reform.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
10. I love that Jeb will be on the wrong side on 2 Cuba policy issues
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:52 PM
Dec 2014

First the changes Obama is implementing and ending the Embargo, second the Wet Foot, Dry Foot rule that allows any Cuba who reaches the US to gain residency.

Many US Latinos are pissed about both! The Embargo isn't fair and Wet Foot just favors the Cubans over other Latino immigrants.

Cha

(297,192 posts)
9. This will be bloody interesting! from you link..
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:48 PM
Dec 2014

"It is not clear when Mr. Obama might nominate an ambassador, a move that would set the stage for contentious confirmation hearings. “We would anticipate that we will have an embassy before we would make a nomination,” said Roberta S. Jacobson, the assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs."

The gop defunded the Embassy in Benghazi but this time Cuban Americans will be watching.

cstanleytech

(26,290 posts)
11. He should nominate Rand Paul then as it would really cause them to fight
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:55 PM
Dec 2014

even more among themselves.

cstanleytech

(26,290 posts)
15. I know but he sounds like the perfect at this time because of
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:05 AM
Dec 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014969142

And it puts the republicans in a catch 22, if they oppose opening relations with Cuba they cant support Pauls nomination and have to work against him if they support him though they cant oppose Obama over this...........it will drive them batshit crazy.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
12. Also heard on NPR that the Iranians are watching closely and wishing the US would open up there too
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:57 PM
Dec 2014

Here's the SS Maine monument in Havana, the eagle was knocked off maybe it will be replaced! (It's at the US representatives's home in Havana, the building that used to be the US Embassy).

Cha

(297,192 posts)
16. It would be such a big step for peace if diplomatic relations were opened up with Iran..
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:20 AM
Dec 2014

mahalo for the thoughts, flamingdem.

And, SS Maine monument in Havana.. and didn't know they had a US representative's home in Cuba!

I found this when I was looking for who is the US Rep in Cuba(still don't know).. but, this is interesting..

U.S. Representative Kathy Castor Statement on Historic Change in U.S./Cuba Policy

"Today, U.S. Representative Kathy Castor announced strong support for historic changes in U.S. policy towards Cuba. President Obama detailed the changes which include reestablishing diplomatic relations, expanding travel opportunities and support for the Cuban people. U.S. Rep. Castor has been working for years to encourage the changes announced by the President today.

“Tampa Bay area families and businesses played an important role in the normalization of relations with Cuba announced today. For years, I have advocated engaging, modernizing diplomatic relations and promoting economic reforms in Cuba, especially after traveling there on a fact-finding mission in 2013. President Obama has again answered the calls for change from this community. Thanks to the President, the State of Florida and the Tampa Bay area can seize the opportunity to lead on engagement and encourage human rights and economic reforms in Cuba,” U.S. Rep. Castor said. “As Americans, we fought two wars with Germany, experienced a terrible conflict with Vietnam and have been able to move forward each time based on concerns for the people of those countries. It is long past time that we do the same for the people of Cuba.”

MOre..
http://castor.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=397825

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
20. Arriba! Latin America loves this and many in Spain of course
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:32 AM
Dec 2014

though I think they have a right wing government currently, can't keep track.

When you think about it there's some irony here - Spain lost to the US / Cuban team more than a Century ago. Then the US became master and then punisher. Spain must have to work through some things regarding Cuba.. it's kind of a mini-Spain the Pearl of the Caribbean.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
21. Judging from the number of depts in play, Obama's been working on this meticulously....
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:06 AM
Dec 2014

....for quite some time. Isn't that just like him?

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
22. This time 3d Cuba chess!
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:12 AM
Dec 2014

I really didn't think he cared or knew that much about Cuba. Word is he was very impressed when the US and Britain asked for Ebola doctors and most countries were coughing up a couple and Cuba offered 480. But I guess he was already decided and the wheels were in motion a long time ago.

It's couragegous as Carter and Maduro of Venezuela both said today.

Oh and along the way maybe pushed Jeb Bush into a corner

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
28. Jeb Bush should be pushed into a jail with his crack-head daughter
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 04:25 AM
Dec 2014

except he sleeps with Xi Jinping. I believe interracial gay marriage is acceptable; but these guys should notify their wives!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
24. Good deal. Now then, back to torture
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:34 AM
Dec 2014

May 20, 1988

With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, subject to certain reservations, understandings, and declarations, I transmit herewith the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. The Convention was adopted by unanimous agreement of the United Nations General Assembly on December 10, 1984, and entered into force on June 26, 1987. The United States signed it on April 18, 1988. I also transmit, for the information of the Senate, the report of the Department of State on the Convention.

The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called "universal jurisdiction." Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution...

By giving its advice and consent to ratification of this Convention, the Senate of the United States will demonstrate unequivocally our desire to bring an end to the abhorrent practice of torture.

RONALD REAGAN
The White House,
May 20, 1988.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
27. Is Strategic Defense Initiative the same thing as a Star Wars movie?
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 04:20 AM
Dec 2014

Is the game Angry Birds allowed to be distributed in China? What if everyone decided to distribute angry water-foul all over the world?

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
26. John F. Kennedy had a tough approach to Cuba!
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 04:14 AM
Dec 2014

How is JFK doing these days? Oddly, expert marksmen could not reproduce results similar to Lee Harvey Oswald. It's strange Jack Ruby killed him before he could testify isn't it?

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