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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Evidence That North Korea Hacked Sony Is Flimsy
First of all, Sony and the FBI have announced that theyve found no evidence so far to tie North Korea to the attack. 2 New reports, however, indicate that intelligence officials who are not permitted to speak on the record have concluded that the North Koreans are behind the hack. But they have provided no evidence to support this and without knowing even what agency the officials belong to, its difficult to know what to make of the claim. And we should point out that intelligence agencies and government officials have jumped to hasty conclusions or misled the public in the past because it was politically expedient.
Nation-state attacks arent generally as noisy, or announce themselves with an image of a blazing skeleton posted to infected computers, as occurred in the Sony hack. Nor do they use a catchy nom-de-hack like Guardians of Peace to identify themselves. Nation-state attackers also generally dont chastise their victims for having poor security, as purported members of GOP have done in media interviews. Nor do such attacks involve posts of stolen data to Pastebinthe unofficial cloud repository of hackerswhere sensitive company files belonging to Sony have been leaked. These are all hallmarks of hacktivistsgroups like Anonymous and LulzSec, who thrive on targeting large corporations for ideological reasons or just the lulz, or by hackers sympathetic to a political cause.
Despite all of this, media outlets wont let the North Korea narrative go and dont seem to want to consider other options. If theres anything years of Law and Order reruns should tell us, its that focusing on a single suspect can lead to exclusionary bias where clues that contradict the favored theory get ignored.
http://www.wired.com/2014/12/evidence-of-north-korea-hack-is-thin/
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:27 PM - Edit history (2)
Is that a hybrid of Mr. Bean on blow and leave britney alone.
Good one +1!
Saved!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Video at link: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sony-hack/north-korea-behind-sony-hack-if-so-it-had-help-n271341
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Or what?
Rex
(65,616 posts)And I bet they did, because they can. Or this is all bullshit, which is what I thought from the beginning. A publicity stunt that went awry.
MADem
(135,425 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... likely the case
MADem
(135,425 posts)Maybe some money changed hands...?
randome
(34,845 posts)That's why it's so ludicrous to say Sony was simply incompetent. Much as every company that's ever been hacked is incompetent.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you don't give yourself the same benefit of a doubt you'd give anyone else, you're cheating someone.[/center][/font][hr]
postulater
(5,075 posts)Then Resistance Is Futile, of course.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Dr. Evil's son was called Scott, too!
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Hmm, it could be China, using North Korean grievances as a shield.
If so, you have to hand it to them for getting total buy in from the US public that North Korea did it. Very clever Chinese cyber warfare Department Number 6!
At the same time, I wouldn't totally discount the North Koreans, either. Aren't South Koreans game programming gurus? Who's to say that skill isn't interchanged with North Korea? I seem to remember being tres amused at all those videos North Korea put out with their video-gamesque fantasies of nuking the U.S. every time they felt their will was crossed in the least little thing. They are certainly capable of whipping up the anti-U.S.-hate and framing it as "war by any means" - and China, at least, has made it clear that war "by any means' is cyber warfare. So if North Korea has hackers with the actual skills, then they would totally do this.
The argument against China: they wouldn't want the US to know they've declared cyber war, yet. It's still all shadowy CIA stuff, as far as they're concerned.
North Korea is the one that would openly declare cyber war, as per the Nuke Videos.
I suppose China could be lurking behind them, but how could they think we wouldn't find out? And then the cyber war would be declared - exactly what they don't want.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)it did its job but had a lot of bugs and poorly designed code.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,120 posts)It's past Time.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)Who needs evidence? Just need to keep the fear coming.
One day it's Ebola, next it's Iran, then Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or China, or Russia, or ISIS, or Kenya, or flesh eating bacteria, or WMD, or hackers, or pot smokers, or Killer Klowns from Outer Space, or ________. Do they ever have any evidence or do they have a "bogeyman of the day" hat that they pick names from?
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you don't give yourself the same benefit of a doubt you'd give anyone else, you're cheating someone.[/center][/font][hr]
Amishman
(5,557 posts)but he is no lightweight
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Who freakin' cares?
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Handing the 1st and creative expression over to a dope in NK is a stupid thing to do.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Problem solved.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Still a problem.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Are you Sony?
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I care that they give in to FEAR!!11 TERRA!!1 so easily, thus crapping on the 1st.
Am I Sony?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Nor do I control what some freakin' rich corporation does. Let 'em fight their own damn battles on their own damn dime.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Javaman
(62,530 posts)In fact, I support the hacking of more corporations. if there is anything that will bring their downfall and their corporate colonization to a halt quickly, it will be hacking.
It seems as if that is the only way the people of this nation can get back to thing that resembles democracy.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)It's an honor my friend.
Jesus
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)I remember a poster (HiPointDem) the neocon from Canada used to call "Hannah", I miss that poster too, if thats who you are referring to??
They brought a radical left wing point of view to the forum that is sadly missing in a sea of mass media programming.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Radical left wing viewpoint? I guess, if you call using the execrable WSWS website as your 'reality.'
That troll could tie Bill Gates and the Bilderbergers to any organization--he was the Kevin Bacon of CT.
On edit---if by "neocon from Canada" you mean the estimable Mr. Dithers, then you should be aware that his troll hunting is unsurpassed--and it was he who caught HighPoint.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Hannah is a he?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Got a link to this "website of lunacy"?
Ya'll been at this too long sometime, sounds crazier than a bagful of spiders.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Sounds strange I knew google bought boston robotics, I didn't know google was the he who is Hannah. Strange days.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Jesus
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)I clearly remember the HPD flameout, too. Spectacular.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Who then?
newfie11
(8,159 posts)I find this reaction from my country over the top.
Corporations probably do this or did do this often. No international hoopla do I remember.
Why are we (America) politically in an uproar?
Was this created by us (CIA) for a reason?
I'm not buying this. This smells to much like lemmings.
I'm not blindly following the "leader".
postulater
(5,075 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Work back from the objective and things you see in the news start to make sense.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)someone interested in promoting NKorea Sanctions was involved, then.
Not many countries are able to unilaterally impose Sanctions that can hurt a country economically. So, that would seem to limit the choices as to who sponsored the attack.
But, it could also have been a Rogue Group of hackers not affiliated with any country doing it for fun, or their own personal agenda, which encourages our usual "Sanction Supporters" to seize the moment to use the attack on Sony for their own advantage.
Hard to know...but, will be interesting to see what else is revealed.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Brilliant Comrade humilates Western Sony hyenas with superior coding skills. In heiroglyphic macro assembler of Outstanding Leader's own creation!
All performed in the service of true Korean peoples in just one day after completing Streetlight on Flatus, thanks to healthy methamphetamine kimchi.
Brilliant Comrade shocks the world!
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)...and how long until we have total Govt control
over the interweb for "national security" reasons?
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)out of Sony without someone noticing something. Getting 100TB out of their "data center" done locally would have been a heck of an undertaking. I have been out of data center work for a few years, I can see how it could be done b just hoping a new drive in a raid array. But still it takes a long time to do 100TB. In my thinking it would have had to have started before the movie was even started.