Read'em and weep, Fox "News"!

[Playinghardball]

But tell me again how Obamacare is bad for America...

[1StrongBlackMan]

1. But ... But ...

My cousin's girl-friend's brother's bowling team captain heard a guy in a bar tell the woman he was trying to pick up that the ACA sucks.

ETA: Wait ... Come to think of it, I read that on an anonymous message board.

[bravenak]

2. I wish the ACA would visit my fucking state.

The chlamydia rate is increasing and the rural villages are cut off from treatment. Some pick it up in town and are left untreated for too long. Other STD's too, but I have noticed we have a very high rate of that particular one.

[usafvet65]

39. Well tell your F..ing governor and legislators….

…it's in their hands. If you live in a red state you maybe screwed. But that not the fault of anyone but the voters in your state.

[bravenak]

41. I have told them.

I live in a Red State. I think the ACA is a hundred times better than what we have in place. We have the highest insurance costs in the nation and no obamacare to help cut costs. We did finally get rid of the republican governor and got an independent, but it is still a red state. Why don't you get your ass up here and help us turn this mutha Blue. There is plenty of room, wildlife, opportunities for homesteading, fishing, hunting, marine biology, native american arts, and much more!! The problem we have is, in my opinion, too many republicans. I think the oil boom either brought them up here, or turned people conservative, I have no idea why. We have a mix of the most liberal people in the nation and the most conservative people in the nation. Fundamentalists and hippies. You all need to move on up here and help me out. Plenty of room. Bigger than Texas.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

4. To shamelessly steal from "Ferris Bueller's Day Off"

"Um, it sucks. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw the ACA on the floor at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious."

[7962]

13. Hey, I KNOW that guy!

[robbob]

37. Doesn't make it any less valid.

[Fred Sanders]

3. Fox will read 'em and distort, deflect, misinform, uninform, no inform, inflame and blame Obama. So, the usual.

[cheapdate]

47. Without a doubt.

They will hammer their points home, relentlessly, over and over and over again. Reinforcing neural pathways in listeners brains. It's effective. These people are lost.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

5. I am on a board right now

listening to hate of the black man like you wouldnt believe...

[drray23]

6. i had a good laugh today

I was at the barber shop and this guy was saying he did not get the ACA because it cost him less to pay the penalty.

Of course i mentioned that this year it doubled and its now the higher of 2% of your income above 10k or $325.0 per person in you family.

Last year it was 1% or $95. ... This idiot did not beliece me until i webt to the ACA website and showed him. He was still skeptical but starting to get worried..

In 2016 and beyond its gonna be 2.5 % or $695 per person.

Served him right to get his news from fox and try to game the system

[doc03]

7. They will just deny it, doesn't matter how much

evidence you produce.

[SheilaT]

8. Not to mention all the posters here

who righteously proclaim that the ACA isn't doing them any good.

[Brigid]

10. Obamacare does me no good because this stupid state did not expand Medicaid.

Are you accusing me of lying?

[SheilaT]

11. You -- and all those in your situation --

should be campaigning like crazy, maybe even running for office yourself, to get a legislature and governor who will expand Medicaid.

[Brigid]

12. Do you have any idea how pompous you sound?

Never mind. Welcome to my ignore list.

[SheilaT]

15. I've run for office myself.

Too bad that makes me pompous.

[A Simple Game]

40. No running for office doesn't make you pompous.

This makes you sound pompous.

Not to mention all the posters here who righteously proclaim that the ACA isn't doing them any good.

You should apologize to DU for that. Now if you had said accurately instead of righteously...
Then in later posts you seem to want to divert, why is that?

[Doctor_J]

17. Of course she does

It's part of the charm of the BOG

[brush]

28. I don't get why that's pompous

If you don't want to run for office at least complain like hell to your state assembly person and the governor to expand medicaid so you can get covered.

It's your state pols who are to blame, not the ACA.

RAISE HELL and KEEP RAISING HELL.

Several of those repug governors have quietly expanded Medicaid after publicly taking positions against it to look good to their base.

That might happen in your state if enough people RAISE HELL .

[duhneece]

32. You don't sound pompous at all, just practical

You offer doable actions. You offer solutions. You offer a to-do list...oops, I guess that's pompous? I want you in my state, hell, I want you as my neighbor.

[Turbineguy]

9. It doesn't matter.

They will say whatever they like and the dolts that watch Fox News will believe it.

[Indykatie]

14. ACA Provides Some Value to Everyone If One Considers Impact on ALL Premiums And Other Things Like

1) protection for pre-ex conditions should the need arise to have to get non employer based coverage
2) elimination of caps on coverage for ALL plans including Employer Plans
3) Unlimited Preventive care for ALL plans including Employer Plans

These and other changes changed the benefit environment for everyone so I don't understand those who show up to insist the ACA did nothing for them. They are either uninformed or wedded to the idea of sticking to their complaint despite the facts.

[Brigid]

16. These benefits are only for those who can get coverage.

Otherwise, they are useless.

[Doctor_J]

18. And those who aren't bearing the burden of the health insurers' half trillion dollar annual guarante

Only in America will you find a cheering section for the highest priced, worst performing "system" in the free world. Best of luck Brigid. You'd think with my own annuals going from $500 to $8500, there'd be enough for you to get affordable coverage.

[Brigid]

19. An $8000 increase?

Are you serious?

[Doctor_J]

21. Yes, I have an employer plan. We're the ones who are paying the CEO bonuses now

An inconvenient truth is that health insurance stocks have gone through the roof since Heritage Care was implemented. In English this means that the amount that the middlemen are collecting, and not giving back out in care, is growing, not shrinking. When the Republicans first proposed this plan 20 years ago, Krugman called it the Middleman Multiplication and Profit Protection Act. That was actually pretty accurate. It was revealed this week in VT that the fans' contention that the ACA "will lead to Single Payer" was a lie, so we're on to the next bit of smokescreen. I mean, is it really a surprise that the mandating that people have health insurance dropped the number of people without it?

Like I said, people are cheering for the worst and most expensive health care in the world. What can you say to that?

[okaawhatever]

25. I call b.s. First, the amount the "middlemen" aka insurance companies are making is capped

at 15%, but that assumes no costs. Insurance companies must spend 85 cents of every health care dollar on care. That is the law. Also, many healthcare stocks are going up because insurers have so many new customers. They aren't making more from each one.

Secondly, I'll bet you a grand that your insurance premiums did not go from 500 to 8500 for the same coverage. Your employer may have decided to stop paying for a portion of your insurance premiums at the same time as the ACA went into effect, but if that is the case it isn't that your premiums went up it's that your employer gave you a pay cut and used the ACA as cover. The premium didn't go up 8k per year, the PORTION of the premium you pay went up, big difference. If that is the case your problem is with your employer, not the ACA.

[Doctor_J]

27. I didn't say my premiums went up by that much

But then I've noticed that heritage care fans tend to read only the tiger beat things. My employer left our premium the same and our copays, co-insurance, deductible and such are now capped at the ACA max, where they used to be 500. Don't tell me it has nothing to do with the ACA. That debacle locked the profiteers into the system and promised them 20% of a three trillion dollar per year pie. They are going to get it from someone.

The middlemen are keeping more of the money that we're giving them than ever before. This is a travesty. I also have to deal with seven bills after a simple procedure, and comb through the paperwork to see if they cheated me, and, if so, spend an hour on the phone to get them to pay.

Then there are those who have to change doctors every year because they had to change plans because the one they had went up.

The ACA was a disaster when the heritage foundation wrote it, when newt Gingrich tried to pass it, and when Obama signed it. Disgusting is the only way to describe its fan club

[brush]

29. It was even worst before the ACA

And the amount taken out of your paycheck would go up every year.

Now it's coverage is not going up as much for most people, you might be one of the few who's rates have gone up but it seems that's on your employer.

And millions now have affordable coverage (with the subsidies provided by the ACA) that didn't have any coverage before.

It's not perfect but it's a whole lot better than what we had before for the people that didn't have coverage from an employer.

Everyone's not fortunate enough to have that. And it kinda odd that your premium went up $8500 — more details please because that doesn't sound quite right.

[RunInCircles]

34. Yes I will applaud progress

Given the number of posts I have read of yours while lurking I know you are not a troll, but unsubstantiated figures that look made up and that nobody actually believes do not support your argument. There are many problems with ACA the biggest being that low paid employees who have really crappy expensive health care offered by their employer are not able to take advantage of the exchanges and get government subsidies. As for the insurance companies if you were proposing legislation that basically put them out of business how much money do you think they would spend to defeat that law. If you have a rich specialist doctor who might have price controls put on his services how much money would he spend to defeat that law. The biggest buckets of money though are the medical device manufactures and the drug companies. They would spend unlimited amounts of money to prevent their profits from being eroded. Given the bought and paid for congress we have I don't see any hope for real revolutionary reform of medicine. So yes I do applaud an inefficient loop hole ridden system that is better than what we had before.

[Turbineguy]

20. As I like to tell my teabagger acquaintences....

Thanks to ACA I save enough money on premiums to buy a new hand gun every month, making my home a happier, healthier and safer place.

[underpants]

44. Funny

[SunSeeker]

22. Even though I have employer-provided coverage, the ACA has helped me.

For the first time in years, my coverage is expanding rather than decreasing, without the double-digit cost increases I saw on a yearly basis pre-ACA.

My annual physical is now free, as is all preventive care, ranging from flu shots to colonoscopies.

The implementation of electronic patient records has made it way less likely for me to die or be hurt from medical error.

And knowing the ACA has saved thousands of American lives and prevented untold misery is certainly a benefit to me as a feeling human being.

[nikto]

23. The best thing about ObamaCare...

is the chance it will evolve into SINGLE-PAYER HC.


Let's get to work and do it, America!

[Doctor_J]

24. I take it you ignore all real news

Vermont, the most liberal state in the union, declared this week that it will not even try for SP. I'll try to type this slowly so you can read it:

Mandating by law that people must buy private insurance is not a first step toward getting rid of private insurance. In fact, it is a giant step away from single payer

You should at least pretend to do some critical thinking

[brush]

30. But it's certainly different to all the people who now have coverage

but couldn't afford it before.

There are many good things about the ACA if you haven't closed your mind to it.

Vermont decided not to try single payer because they would have to levy too high a tax on all it's citizens to afford it.

But if the whole country shared a small uptick in taxes, single payer would be doable for everyone — or we could cut the military budget by 1 fucking percent and we could afford it without an additional tax.

Who know how likely that is but the ACA is not just likely, it's a reality now and it's helping people.

You kinda just have to DEAL WITH IT.

But you're free to keep complaining even though you yourself are lucky enough to have coverage from your employer.

[nikto]

48. Well, that sucks

I had missed that Vermont gave up on SPHC.
Depressing.


Sounds like Obamacare is a big, fat failure then.

For-profit HC is unsustainable, IMO.

If it can't be changed into SP, then what good is it?


Life in these Corporatist United States.

[Cha]

26. Kick

[Gothmog]

31. I love this

[nxylas]

33. Exactly what they were afraid of

The more people get coverage, the greater the likelihood that the wingnuts will encounter Those People in the waiting room of their doctor's office. They may even get to go in ahead of the wingnuts, thus depriving them of the privileges to which they feel entitled.

[Stellar]

35. Ha...as if Fox news would make any corrections on their positions.

[The Wizard]

36. And then there's the surcharge

attached to every policy to cover charity care. With the reduced number of charity care cases the surcharge has dropped and will continue to drop.

[Quixote1818]

38. Obama needs to be out tooting his horn on things like this before the Supreme Court guts it. nt

[True Blue Door]

42. Humanity wins, cancervatives lose.

[kacekwl]

43. I just today paid for health ins. ....

that I did not have for over 10 years. That's right I have not been to the doctor in over 10 years. thanks to the ACA my wife and I have health ins. that with subsidies cost 101.43 a mo. for us both . Thanks Obama for real.

[underpants]

45. Great news

Bookmarking for FB post after Christmas

[Ex Lurker]

46. Scalia will take care of that come Spring NT.