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Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:03 AM

Please note how nobody calls the NY-gunman a "lone wolf"

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/20/3606034/police-union-president-blames-protesters-mayor-deblasio-for-murder-of-two-new-york-city-police-officers/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/20/3606016/two-nyc-police-officers-assassinated-execution-style/

He was a notorious criminal who had killed someone earlier this day. And he had strong political sentiments.

If he had run amok in an abortion-clinic, nobody in the media would have talked about whether he had connections to fundamentalist Christians or whether the demonification of abortion-providers played a role.

But he killed cops. And EVERYBODY who is not okay with COPS GETTING AWAY WITH NEGLIGENTLY KILLING PEOPLE suddenly has blood on his hands.

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Reply Please note how nobody calls the NY-gunman a "lone wolf" (Original post)
DetlefK Dec 2014 OP
FarPoint Dec 2014 #1
Cryptoad Dec 2014 #2
FarPoint Dec 2014 #3
KyleMcShades Dec 2014 #4
Live and Learn Dec 2014 #5
Thespian2 Dec 2014 #6
blackspade Dec 2014 #8
Thespian2 Dec 2014 #9
blackspade Dec 2014 #10
Thor_MN Dec 2014 #12
ChosenUnWisely Dec 2014 #14
NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #22
2naSalit Dec 2014 #36
Sunlei Dec 2014 #43
uponit7771 Dec 2014 #17
marym625 Dec 2014 #19
Live and Learn Dec 2014 #24
marym625 Dec 2014 #25
blackspade Dec 2014 #7
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #11
blackspade Dec 2014 #15
The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #13
ChosenUnWisely Dec 2014 #18
marym625 Dec 2014 #20
The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #28
NOLALady Dec 2014 #35
uponit7771 Dec 2014 #47
secondwind Dec 2014 #16
marym625 Dec 2014 #21
Sunlei Dec 2014 #37
okaawhatever Dec 2014 #44
Sunlei Dec 2014 #45
Tsiyu Dec 2014 #23
Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #30
Tsiyu Dec 2014 #31
NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #38
Tsiyu Dec 2014 #40
Logical Dec 2014 #48
True Blue Door Dec 2014 #26
Tsiyu Dec 2014 #27
Sunlei Dec 2014 #32
Tsiyu Dec 2014 #33
NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #39
Sunlei Dec 2014 #42
Sunlei Dec 2014 #29
truebluegreen Dec 2014 #34
LWolf Dec 2014 #41
Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #46

Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:34 AM

1. That is how they are going to spin this ....

The Cops across the nation are better organized than us; the anti militarized cop system/protestors....We will continue to be slandered and victimized.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:52 AM

2. GOP 2nd amend right,,,

A gun of for every idiot, an idiot for every gun!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:55 AM

3. Good point....

I understand it but the media will never print it.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:57 AM

4. I don't understand..

why cops murdering people is a controversial subject. The right in this country has no clue about morality or freedom.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:35 AM

5. Yet, none of them have blood on their hands for murdering

civilians.

The person responsible for the murders of the officers is dead so he pretty much inflicted his own sentence.

And the last time a NYPD officer was killed in was in 2011 (see below).

The last shooting death of an NYPD officer came in December 2011, when 22-year veteran Peter Figoski was shot in the face while responding to a report of a break-in at a Brooklyn apartment. The triggerman, Lamont Pride, was convicted of murder and sentenced in 2013 to 45 years to life in prison.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-2-nyc-cops-shot-car-critically-injured-212302732.html

How many people have the NYPD killed since 2011?

Notice how those that kill officers are ALWAYS imprisoned or dead. But the officer's involved in murders are very rarely even arrested.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:52 AM

6. Good post, and true

I guess that is all we can expect in the American police/military state. I will be driving in the states the next four months with Canadian plates. I am already worried about what could happen.

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Response to Thespian2 (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:17 AM

8. Don't carry much cash.....

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Response to blackspade (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:18 AM

9. Thanks

I don't when I am there.

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Response to Thespian2 (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:21 AM

10. Good choice.

I don't carry more than $50-100 if I can help it.
A traffic stop could deprive you of all of you wallet cash thanks to the pick pockets in blue.

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Response to Thespian2 (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:25 AM

12. If they stop you and ask permission to search your vehicle

 

Politely say "Thank you, No." If they are asking permission, they don't have a legitimate reason to search. Refusing permission does not give them a reason. Just keep telling them you don't want to waste their time.

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Response to Thespian2 (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:30 AM

14. If you are white you will be all right!

 

In the Red States it is much more likely that you maybe singled out by police for traffic violations because you have Canadian Tags but that also true of anyone with out of state/region tags too. Which may lead to possible 'questions' into your reason for being there and legal status. In states that border Canada and are closer to the border we see Canadians all the time, every day actually, so your only hassle will be the usual border hassles and speeding tickets. A local may fight the ticket someone from out of state will just pay the ticket, easy source of revenue for them.

If you are not white, well that is different, you will be fair game for the police just about everywhere some places more so then others.

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Response to Thespian2 (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:24 AM

22. I think you will be fine.

The stereotype of Canadians is of well mannered law abiding people. It is always a little strange driving your car in another country. I've driven around Quebec with my Connecticut plates. In other places there, like Nova Scotia, I rented a car.

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Response to Thespian2 (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:42 AM

36. It sort of depends on which states

you'll be traveling through. I haven't been east of the Rockies in a long time but I can tell you from decades of experience that if you are white, don't worry, same for Asians w/Canadian plates in the western states... possible exception = California

I have been in the western states and drove around all of them for decades and I have yet to see anyone with Canadian plates ever get pulled over for anything. Whenever I am out on a Hwy, anywhere, it is quite likely that I will be passed by at least one to six vehicles (more if on a N/S Interstate) with Canadian plates and they normally pass e like I were standing still while I am traveling at the speed limit.

I did a lot of road miles last month and my hypothesis rendered these same results. Don't sweat it if you're out in the western states. To enhance the benefits of north of the border plates, wear a cowboy hat and boots around (bolo ties are worn generally) assume an air of rancher or oil industry person and you'll have no problems in this end of the US.

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Response to Thespian2 (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:40 PM

43. only troubles you will have is getting over the border. They turn back lots of people.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:46 AM

17. +1

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:13 AM

19. Thanks for the statistics

The way the Think Progressive article reads, looks like 49 NY Police Officers were killed last year.

As horrible as this is, that these cops were viciously murdered, the fact that cops are blaming anyone but the murderer, shows they have no intention of changing a god damned thing when it comes to police brutality, social justice, regard for life of any person of color, the mentally ill, the poor or anyone that doesn't back their "have gun, will use it at will" mentality.

Here's a link to the actual FBI statistics

http://m.policemag.com/news/11310/fbi-release-2013-preliminary-statistics-for-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

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Response to marym625 (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:32 AM

24. Are you sure that is NYPD? To me it reads country wide. nt

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:34 AM

25. It is country wide

Sorry if I wasn't clear. The Think Progressive article read like the statistics were for just the NYPD. So I pulled the actual statistics for the entire US.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:15 AM

7. Yep. This asshole fucked the whole cop watch movement back....

This prick single handedly justified all of these police killings and assaults.

The M$M will spin this to the advantage of cops and their corporate masters.
We will now see even more brutality from the cops.

All that said, peace to the families in this tragic situation.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:23 AM

11. And he managed to do it by killing to minority cops.

He's a loser, full stop.

#FAIL

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:44 AM

15. No kidding.

And now this will be used as tool for further public oppression.
This couldn't have worked out better for the authoritarians among us.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:27 AM

13. Does anyone ever talk about individual black people?

Not just pejoratively, but even defensively. It's always the black community. I guess that could be part of being a minority, in that collectively is the only way to exercise any power. It works the same way with Muslims in America. Always talk of having or needing black leaders, in order to put a face and name to the crowd.

Could be a reason why white people sometimes take exception to being lumped in with any other white person in discussions of this sort. I guess that could be part of being a majority.

It's certainly a complex issue with complex perspectives. Everyone sees it differently, in their own particular way, and it's like a puzzle with pieces from 15 different sets.

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Response to The2ndWheel (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:46 AM

18. Not really because of the Subtle Racism that occurs in the media for over 60 years

 

When a person of color does something that is bad, negative or perceived as negative that persons actions are representative of ALL the people of that race. If a person od color does some thing good then the praise only goes to that one person. As in he speaks well for a black man.

The funny thing is with race and especially race in America is that when the entire world population is considered over 7 billion of us now....is that white people are the MINORITY in the world.

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Response to ChosenUnWisely (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:18 AM

20. and the person of color

That is rewarded in M$M for whatever the accomplishment is, always has the "see, (s)he was able to lift himself up by the bootstraps and do something positive. WTF is the matter with the rest of 'them'"

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Response to ChosenUnWisely (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:43 AM

28. But does anyone speaking for the black community ever speak against that?

Today anyway. Obviously MLK said pretty much exactly that.

Centuries of externally imposed collective guilt breeds collective defense. It makes total sense in that regard. Nor is it easy to break through the media, as you said.

White people are the minority on a global scale. That's why China is now, and will continue to be, the largest economy in the world. Same with India at some point.

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Response to The2ndWheel (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:32 AM

35. I constantly hear the Black community

speaking against that.

No One listens.

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Response to The2ndWheel (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:14 PM

47. Please name the people the black community has designated to "speak for them".. tia

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:45 AM

16. this person got 221 likes his FB thread and NOBODY tried to prevent this.. this is appalling

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Response to secondwind (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:19 AM

21. wow!

That's pretty disturbing

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Response to secondwind (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:55 AM

37. perhaps the 'girl friend' tried or said she would, but he killed her first.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:04 PM

44. I don't think so. Based on what I've read he didn't mention "giving pigs wings" until after he shot

his girlfriend. He did supposedly post anti-cop rhetoric on his facebook/twitter prior to this weekend, but didn't escalate until after he shot his ex-girlfriend. He may have thought he killed her and his life was basically over anyway.

Someone did report him to police. Baltimore PD said they were tipped off to his twitter remarks, but it came about the same time as the officers were shot so there was nothing they could do.

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:26 PM

45. he was already on his murder-suicide path like so many before him.

I'm still shocked that 2 on duty police officers were caught so unaware.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:27 AM

23. I am so DISGUSTED right now

all these NYPD goons wailing and gnashing over the loss of human life.

Sorry, NYPD, but you are some of the ones who MADE HUMAN LIFE WORTHLESS. You coppers keep telling us people's lives don't matter, death by cops doesn't matter.

If cops, DAs, legislators and politicians keep selling the idea that life has no value, they can't get all teary eyed and weepy when that attitude becomes prevalent.

THEY CAUSED IT.

Read about Wounded Knee, how US soldiers just gunned down Lakota women and children like animals. Cops today in NYC treat blacks and other minorities the same way. Even if these two cops were minorities, they represent that oppression, that failure to regard all human life as having value.

Stop telling me that only cops' lives count and that the whole fucking city is just in shock. FUCK YOU NYPD. Every time an NYPD cop kills another human senselessly, the community should be in shock.

If cops expect to just blatantly kill, they can't be so goddamned clueless that they don't realize the backlash against them from unstable, angry people is going to come. It's going to arrive and they caused it.

I am sad for the families of the officers, but not as much as I am for Tamir Rice who never got to live his life, Mike Brown who was left on the street for hours after being murdered, Garner and all the other people murdered by cops.

Edit to add: I am NOT condoning killing ANYONE, cop or otherwise. I am disgusted that we can't just agree that all lives matter. I am disgusted that some cops put themselves on such a high pedestal even when they know that we know that their violence, corruption and coverups have hurt so many Americans. But no one should murder anyone the way those cops were murdered.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:56 AM

30. You can put your cute little disclaimer that you don't "condone" this all you want...

 

But when you keep pushing this blanket rhetoric of hate:



Read about Wounded Knee, how US soldiers just gunned down Lakota women and children like animals. Cops today in NYC treat blacks and other minorities the same way. Even if these two cops were minorities, they represent that oppression, that failure to regard all human life as having value.



Is the exact kind of irresponsible rhetoric that serves to inspire nutjobs like this guy to do what he did.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:09 AM

31. So put the blanket over your head and go back to sleep

If we don't discuss these issues, and WHY we have always had a mentality of "whites can do whatever they want but natives, blacks and hispanic lives have no value" we will NEVER solve our problems.

Grownups need to wrestle with the ugliness that is America if we are ever to turn it beautiful.

It is irresponsible to turn your head and pretend not to see the pain and anger that prejudice and bigotry and callous murder of "dark" people has caused.

To me, you are saying their pain and anguish never happened and doesn't matter.

But it does. We have to address double standards and our cruel, evil bigoted present and past if we are ever going to come out on the other side of this.



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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:09 PM

38. Your position is entirely reasonable and understandable. I dont see you encouraging anyone to

kill anyone, I see you encouraging american police to take responsibility for their actions.

Kind of like when americans act surprised when a bunch of Muslims attack them, as if it came out of nowhere for no reason

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:21 PM

40. Thank you for your kind words

and yes, some folks will never understand cause and effect.

My heart goes out to all who are senselessly murdered. I know a lot of good cops, just small town guys, and I would hate for something like this to happen. But then, they don't go busting down doors and killing people, they don't beat up on women and kids and they don't gun down the teenagers who get rowdy - they try to TALK TO THEM.


Thanks again. We have to wake up and realize there is fallout from every bad call.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:37 PM

48. LOL, ok. nt

 

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:36 AM

26. And when right-wing anti-government nuts kill cops

there's never a "Rush Limbaugh and the Tea Party have blood on their hands" statement from police unions.

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Response to True Blue Door (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:39 AM

27. No, of course not

The fucking teabaggers were THRILLED when the gun-totin' goons AIMED THEIR WEAPONS at law enforcement at the Bundy ranch.

They had no fucking problem with a "lack of respect for the law."

Goddamned stupid fuck hypocrites.

And yes, I cuss and always have here.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:09 AM

32. Yet 'our' BLM had no problem arresting a journalist and a woman in her 70's armed with CAMERAS

A hot desert day. Shoved them to the ground and into a car tied-up, they both got heatstroke.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:13 AM

33. White people with guns aimed at you: NO PROBLEM

Woman with camera: THREAT THREAT THREAT!!!!!!!

What fucking cowards.


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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:13 PM

39. I hear your anger, I am getting some too, i just listened to that fuck union guy and I think

he wants a war.

I would like to remove all guns from all citizens including cops, as the 2nd amendment demands, then the war will be less bloody if the cops insist on one, that is.

When I say I am getting some anger too, it is of course the understatement of my life.

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #39)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:34 PM

42. a RW-media bonus is, the out of control police make unions 'look bad & crazy' too

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:48 AM

29. murder and another wanna-B suicide by police, but police didn't notice him in time :(

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:21 AM

34. Only white guys are lone wolves. nt

 

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:31 PM

41. I hope it's because

"lone wolf" is a misused term when referring to dangerously dysfunctional people.

Being a lone wolf myself.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:44 PM

46. "Nobody in the media" talked about Eric Rudolph's Christian connections?

MURPHY, North Carolina (CNN) -- A police officer in the small town of Murphy, North Carolina, arrested Olympic bombing suspect Eric Robert Rudolph early Saturday, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft announced -- ending a five-year manhunt for one of the FBI's most wanted fugitives.

......

Rudolph is believed to have written letters received by the media after the bombings. They were signed by a group called the Army of God. The letters claimed responsibility for the bombings and were declarations of war against the federal government.

Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Alabama, which tracks extremist groups, said Rudolph was "definitely a Christian Identity believer and an adherent of Nord Davis."

The Christian Identity movement is a militant racist and anti-Semitic organization that asserts that whites are God's chosen people.


http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/31/rudolph.arrest/


Making shit up can be embarrassing in the age of Google.

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