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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPlease note how nobody calls the NY-gunman a "lone wolf"
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/20/3606034/police-union-president-blames-protesters-mayor-deblasio-for-murder-of-two-new-york-city-police-officers/http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/20/3606016/two-nyc-police-officers-assassinated-execution-style/
He was a notorious criminal who had killed someone earlier this day. And he had strong political sentiments.
If he had run amok in an abortion-clinic, nobody in the media would have talked about whether he had connections to fundamentalist Christians or whether the demonification of abortion-providers played a role.
But he killed cops. And EVERYBODY who is not okay with COPS GETTING AWAY WITH NEGLIGENTLY KILLING PEOPLE suddenly has blood on his hands.
FarPoint
(12,354 posts)The Cops across the nation are better organized than us; the anti militarized cop system/protestors....We will continue to be slandered and victimized.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)A gun of for every idiot, an idiot for every gun!
FarPoint
(12,354 posts)I understand it but the media will never print it.
KyleMcShades
(40 posts)why cops murdering people is a controversial subject. The right in this country has no clue about morality or freedom.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)civilians.
The person responsible for the murders of the officers is dead so he pretty much inflicted his own sentence.
And the last time a NYPD officer was killed in was in 2011 (see below).
http://news.yahoo.com/police-2-nyc-cops-shot-car-critically-injured-212302732.html
How many people have the NYPD killed since 2011?
Notice how those that kill officers are ALWAYS imprisoned or dead. But the officer's involved in murders are very rarely even arrested.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)I guess that is all we can expect in the American police/military state. I will be driving in the states the next four months with Canadian plates. I am already worried about what could happen.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)I don't when I am there.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)I don't carry more than $50-100 if I can help it.
A traffic stop could deprive you of all of you wallet cash thanks to the pick pockets in blue.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Politely say "Thank you, No." If they are asking permission, they don't have a legitimate reason to search. Refusing permission does not give them a reason. Just keep telling them you don't want to waste their time.
ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)In the Red States it is much more likely that you maybe singled out by police for traffic violations because you have Canadian Tags but that also true of anyone with out of state/region tags too. Which may lead to possible 'questions' into your reason for being there and legal status. In states that border Canada and are closer to the border we see Canadians all the time, every day actually, so your only hassle will be the usual border hassles and speeding tickets. A local may fight the ticket someone from out of state will just pay the ticket, easy source of revenue for them.
If you are not white, well that is different, you will be fair game for the police just about everywhere some places more so then others.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)The stereotype of Canadians is of well mannered law abiding people. It is always a little strange driving your car in another country. I've driven around Quebec with my Connecticut plates. In other places there, like Nova Scotia, I rented a car.
2naSalit
(86,586 posts)you'll be traveling through. I haven't been east of the Rockies in a long time but I can tell you from decades of experience that if you are white, don't worry, same for Asians w/Canadian plates in the western states... possible exception = California
I have been in the western states and drove around all of them for decades and I have yet to see anyone with Canadian plates ever get pulled over for anything. Whenever I am out on a Hwy, anywhere, it is quite likely that I will be passed by at least one to six vehicles (more if on a N/S Interstate) with Canadian plates and they normally pass e like I were standing still while I am traveling at the speed limit.
I did a lot of road miles last month and my hypothesis rendered these same results. Don't sweat it if you're out in the western states. To enhance the benefits of north of the border plates, wear a cowboy hat and boots around (bolo ties are worn generally) assume an air of rancher or oil industry person and you'll have no problems in this end of the US.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)The way the Think Progressive article reads, looks like 49 NY Police Officers were killed last year.
As horrible as this is, that these cops were viciously murdered, the fact that cops are blaming anyone but the murderer, shows they have no intention of changing a god damned thing when it comes to police brutality, social justice, regard for life of any person of color, the mentally ill, the poor or anyone that doesn't back their "have gun, will use it at will" mentality.
Here's a link to the actual FBI statistics
http://m.policemag.com/news/11310/fbi-release-2013-preliminary-statistics-for-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Sorry if I wasn't clear. The Think Progressive article read like the statistics were for just the NYPD. So I pulled the actual statistics for the entire US.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)This prick single handedly justified all of these police killings and assaults.
The M$M will spin this to the advantage of cops and their corporate masters.
We will now see even more brutality from the cops.
All that said, peace to the families in this tragic situation.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)He's a loser, full stop.
#FAIL
blackspade
(10,056 posts)And now this will be used as tool for further public oppression.
This couldn't have worked out better for the authoritarians among us.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Not just pejoratively, but even defensively. It's always the black community. I guess that could be part of being a minority, in that collectively is the only way to exercise any power. It works the same way with Muslims in America. Always talk of having or needing black leaders, in order to put a face and name to the crowd.
Could be a reason why white people sometimes take exception to being lumped in with any other white person in discussions of this sort. I guess that could be part of being a majority.
It's certainly a complex issue with complex perspectives. Everyone sees it differently, in their own particular way, and it's like a puzzle with pieces from 15 different sets.
ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)When a person of color does something that is bad, negative or perceived as negative that persons actions are representative of ALL the people of that race. If a person od color does some thing good then the praise only goes to that one person. As in he speaks well for a black man.
The funny thing is with race and especially race in America is that when the entire world population is considered over 7 billion of us now....is that white people are the MINORITY in the world.
marym625
(17,997 posts)That is rewarded in M$M for whatever the accomplishment is, always has the "see, (s)he was able to lift himself up by the bootstraps and do something positive. WTF is the matter with the rest of 'them'"
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Today anyway. Obviously MLK said pretty much exactly that.
Centuries of externally imposed collective guilt breeds collective defense. It makes total sense in that regard. Nor is it easy to break through the media, as you said.
White people are the minority on a global scale. That's why China is now, and will continue to be, the largest economy in the world. Same with India at some point.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)speaking against that.
No One listens.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)That's pretty disturbing
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)his girlfriend. He did supposedly post anti-cop rhetoric on his facebook/twitter prior to this weekend, but didn't escalate until after he shot his ex-girlfriend. He may have thought he killed her and his life was basically over anyway.
Someone did report him to police. Baltimore PD said they were tipped off to his twitter remarks, but it came about the same time as the officers were shot so there was nothing they could do.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I'm still shocked that 2 on duty police officers were caught so unaware.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)all these NYPD goons wailing and gnashing over the loss of human life.
Sorry, NYPD, but you are some of the ones who MADE HUMAN LIFE WORTHLESS. You coppers keep telling us people's lives don't matter, death by cops doesn't matter.
If cops, DAs, legislators and politicians keep selling the idea that life has no value, they can't get all teary eyed and weepy when that attitude becomes prevalent.
THEY CAUSED IT.
Read about Wounded Knee, how US soldiers just gunned down Lakota women and children like animals. Cops today in NYC treat blacks and other minorities the same way. Even if these two cops were minorities, they represent that oppression, that failure to regard all human life as having value.
Stop telling me that only cops' lives count and that the whole fucking city is just in shock. FUCK YOU NYPD. Every time an NYPD cop kills another human senselessly, the community should be in shock.
If cops expect to just blatantly kill, they can't be so goddamned clueless that they don't realize the backlash against them from unstable, angry people is going to come. It's going to arrive and they caused it.
I am sad for the families of the officers, but not as much as I am for Tamir Rice who never got to live his life, Mike Brown who was left on the street for hours after being murdered, Garner and all the other people murdered by cops.
Edit to add: I am NOT condoning killing ANYONE, cop or otherwise. I am disgusted that we can't just agree that all lives matter. I am disgusted that some cops put themselves on such a high pedestal even when they know that we know that their violence, corruption and coverups have hurt so many Americans. But no one should murder anyone the way those cops were murdered.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)But when you keep pushing this blanket rhetoric of hate:
Read about Wounded Knee, how US soldiers just gunned down Lakota women and children like animals. Cops today in NYC treat blacks and other minorities the same way. Even if these two cops were minorities, they represent that oppression, that failure to regard all human life as having value.
Is the exact kind of irresponsible rhetoric that serves to inspire nutjobs like this guy to do what he did.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)If we don't discuss these issues, and WHY we have always had a mentality of "whites can do whatever they want but natives, blacks and hispanic lives have no value" we will NEVER solve our problems.
Grownups need to wrestle with the ugliness that is America if we are ever to turn it beautiful.
It is irresponsible to turn your head and pretend not to see the pain and anger that prejudice and bigotry and callous murder of "dark" people has caused.
To me, you are saying their pain and anguish never happened and doesn't matter.
But it does. We have to address double standards and our cruel, evil bigoted present and past if we are ever going to come out on the other side of this.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)kill anyone, I see you encouraging american police to take responsibility for their actions.
Kind of like when americans act surprised when a bunch of Muslims attack them, as if it came out of nowhere for no reason
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)and yes, some folks will never understand cause and effect.
My heart goes out to all who are senselessly murdered. I know a lot of good cops, just small town guys, and I would hate for something like this to happen. But then, they don't go busting down doors and killing people, they don't beat up on women and kids and they don't gun down the teenagers who get rowdy - they try to TALK TO THEM.
Thanks again. We have to wake up and realize there is fallout from every bad call.
Logical
(22,457 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)there's never a "Rush Limbaugh and the Tea Party have blood on their hands" statement from police unions.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)The fucking teabaggers were THRILLED when the gun-totin' goons AIMED THEIR WEAPONS at law enforcement at the Bundy ranch.
They had no fucking problem with a "lack of respect for the law."
Goddamned stupid fuck hypocrites.
And yes, I cuss and always have here.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)A hot desert day. Shoved them to the ground and into a car tied-up, they both got heatstroke.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Woman with camera: THREAT THREAT THREAT!!!!!!!
What fucking cowards.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)he wants a war.
I would like to remove all guns from all citizens including cops, as the 2nd amendment demands, then the war will be less bloody if the cops insist on one, that is.
When I say I am getting some anger too, it is of course the understatement of my life.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)"lone wolf" is a misused term when referring to dangerously dysfunctional people.
Being a lone wolf myself.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)......
Rudolph is believed to have written letters received by the media after the bombings. They were signed by a group called the Army of God. The letters claimed responsibility for the bombings and were declarations of war against the federal government.
Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Alabama, which tracks extremist groups, said Rudolph was "definitely a Christian Identity believer and an adherent of Nord Davis."
The Christian Identity movement is a militant racist and anti-Semitic organization that asserts that whites are God's chosen people.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/31/rudolph.arrest/
Making shit up can be embarrassing in the age of Google.