Can you name ONE positive about any rightwinger, any teaparty person or ideology?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Just one?

[Archae]

1. In my family?

They're dead.

(A couple of my uncles, mostly.)

[bravenak]

2. Ronald Reagan is dead.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

3. ...

[Zorra]

11. +1

[Go Vols]

34. +1

[rustydog]

4. OH YES I CAN ! I'm positive they are self-centered

self-serving bigots...

[lpbk2713]

5. John Boner has a nice tan.

[rbrnmw]

21. the cirrhosis orange tan? lol

[Kalidurga]

6. Michele Bachmann

no longer holds public office.

[Enrique]

7. of course

so can you.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

9. NO, I cant

[bravenak]

8. Ted Steven's had a Music video.

And he never put people who touched him "In the ground' like Don Young claims to have done.

https://m.

https://m.

Rest in peace Uncle Ted!!!!

[Mass]

10. Politically speaking or at the human level.

I know some RWers who are great human beings and some progressives who are real scumbags.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

12. How can they support killing women in back alley abortions and starving poor

people and preventing people from getting healthcare and destroying voting rights and still be great human beings?

[Mass]

16. All GOPers do not.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

45. But they do, you see if you vote for ANY republican in ANY national capacity, house or senate or WH

even if the individual GOP you are voting for may be pro choice or pro unions, lets say, when it comes down to it their party will give them a choice, vote with the rest of the party or be absolutely primaried and kicked out of the body.

Period

I have a relative who is in love with his GOP congressperson who assures him he supports his union, and he probably does, but as he is GOP he MUST vote against that union or he will lose his seat.


If you dont support the laundry list of hate, destruction and eventual death that the GOP represents, then stop associating yourself with them.

Not saying you personally, just the inclusive all

[KingCharlemagne]

41. "Great human being" is the EXACT OPPOSITE of today's GOP. So anyone who

says they know someone who votes for the GOP and is a 'great human being' has a very weird definition of 'great human being.'

[NuclearDem]

13. I can do more than one.

John McCain was against torture from the very start.

Rush Limbaugh has no love for anti-vaxxers.

Bill O'Reilly is against the death penalty.

Glenn Beck stood up for a young boy who was being bullied in school for being "girly."

Do you want me to go on, or do you want me to leave this thread to the insanity that because someone's a rightwinger there can't be anything we like or respect about them?

Oh, and welcome to DU.

[leftynyc]

51. Good work

When I've been asked for one good thing that Ronald Reagan did it's always "put the first woman on the supreme court". Very, very few people are all bad - or all good.

[louis-t]

135. One thing jumps out at me...

John McCain is against torture because he was tortured. Beck may have been bullied as a child, so he is against bullying. I will say most of the time, the right-wing mentality only goes against the grain if they have been affected by what they are told to be against.

[RedCappedBandit]

222. That's it.

Right wingers experience empathy differently. It seems they are unable to feel empathy in the same way progressives do until they've personally been touched by whatever circumstance.

[WillTwain]

14. They made it easy to Get A's In High School

They occupy the bottom of the grading curve.

[gollygee]

15. The Tea Party is just the KKK rebranded

Tea Party is to KKK what Quixtar is to Amway

[joeybee12]

17. I know right-wing nutjobs who are really into animal rescue...

Go figure.

[Nay]

65. Ooooooh. True. I know a bunch of those, too. They couldn't give a shit about

a hungry or hurt kid, but animals, yeah. But there are also a bunch of liberals who are into it as well.

[joeybee12]

76. Well, in the right-wing mindset, people are always to blame...

But they cut animals some slack.

[Nay]

149. Exactly. Animals are 'innocent' in the sense that they have no volition. That's

why helping them can never produce bad emotions in the RWer.

[Boreal]

229. WTF does that mean

"innocent", in quotes?

That so reminds me of a thread I was on some years ago where someone wrote about the IDF murdering innocent Palestinians kids and one of the Hasbara shills responded with "define innocent".

Animals ARE innocent and at the mercy of humans. Comments like yours and the poster above are what make people who work in animal rights and rescue disgusted with people!

[Nay]

236. It means exactly what it says. The quote marks are there only to differentiate

the use of the word "innocent" - meaning unable to do or conceive of bad actions -- from the use of the word as the opposite of "guilty." Animals cannot be "guilty" of anything, really, so the "guilty/innocent" pair of words have always seemed odd to me when applied to animals. Animals are incapable of being corrupted and can never be guilty.

I'm sorry I didn't explain it well enough -- animals and children are at the mercy of lots of assholes, and I agree completely with you. I have participated in seabird rescue support and think that people f***ing suck, generally.

[bigwillq]

211. Apologist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

[joeybee12]

216. Rafroid Lover!!!

[doc03]

18. John McCain is against torture n/t

[Faryn Balyncd]

36. +1

[BillZBubb]

38. Yeah, sure he is, that's why he hugged w. bush all those times.

He knew what bush was doing, but said NADA. So, he isn't really all that serious about being against torture.

[NuclearDem]

58. Oh for God's sake.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detainee_Treatment_Act

An amendment created by McCain to prohibit cruel and unusual treatment in Gitmo in 2005.

On waterboarding:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/26/us/politics/26giuliani.html?_r=0

Of presidential candidates like Mr. Giuliani, who say that they are unsure whether waterboarding is torture, Mr. McCain said: “They should know what it is. It is not a complicated procedure. It is torture.”

Sorry, but McCain's stance against torture is absolutely genuine.

[BillZBubb]

73. God has nothing to do with it.

McCain totally supported w. bush in 2004, knowing full well we were torturing people under the bush administration.

There is nothing absolute in that. Torture wasn't enough for him to stop supporting bush.

[NuclearDem]

75. DONE

this is fucking pointless

[Quackers]

225. Your logic fails

Unless of course you're saying Obama supports torture by hugging too?

[BillZBubb]

243. No problem with my logic, but a huge hole in yours.

Obama didn't support bush. Obama is hugging him here at the transfer of power. It isn't support for bush policies.

McCain supported bush for re-election knowing full well the torture was happening. That is a huge difference.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

47. Because he was tortured, what you want to bet if he hadnt been he would have a different view?

[uppityperson]

111. what? You discount him being against torture because in another reality he might not've been?

Wtf?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

112. How many cons came out against torture? Is it a coincidence that McCain is against it and was

the only one who was tortured?

It is my experience that cons are against something until it effects them, and ONLY then

[uppityperson]

121. So? He is against torture and to discount that because someone else isn't is ludicrous.

To discount he is against torture because in an alternate reality he might not be is also ludicrous.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

125. I cant even believe we have to have this conversation...i really cant

[uppityperson]

126. in another reality you wrote the question you meant to, not the one here that asks a

different thing than you meant to. In another reality you were able to give someone credit for a positive thing while still taking them to task for their bullshit.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

127. sorry, but I know what I asked and I know who responded and how...

I stand by my position you CANT vote for a political party with an agenda of death and destruction and claim to be a good person

not in my reality, you cant

[cyberswede]

136. How do you feel about drone strikes? nt

[uppityperson]

137. Yet you asked about INDIVIDUALS and any INDIVIDUAL action.

In your reality you deny that people are mixed, that McCain being against torture doesn't matter even though you asked for 1 thing by any individual. In your reality his being against torture doesn't matter as that 1 positive thing you asked for because he might not have been.

[uppityperson]

145. like your father you mentioned?

[cheapdate]

234. I agree with you.

[cyberswede]

122. I'm slow, but I caught on...

[uppityperson]

124. oh yeah.

Fremont bridge dweller perhaps?

[seveneyes]

19. The Human Equation

Ideology comes from influence of other humans.

The Human Equation program aborted.
Have a nice day.
Dream Sequencer system offline.

&list=PL148912C5ED2D102A&index=20

[digonswine]

20. They breathe quite well-

their blinking is generally adequate for keeping their eyes hydrated, as well.

[Ryan Fitzomething]

22. You're an "Onion" Writer, Aren't You?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

52. So you think my question is so ludicrous that it would be sarcasm?

If so you must have a long list of the wonderful things the teaparty or GOP have done for average Americans over the past 40 years?

[Ryan Fitzomething]

77. Your Question is Obvious Sarcasm, Even if Unintended

The "tea party" has never had a worthwhile thought, let alone deed!

[JEFF9K]

23. Good question, but ...

Yesterday on 60 Minutes GOP Senator Tom Coburn said that Barack Obama is a wonderful person and that his election was good for the country.

And another thing: Republicans are holding up passage of the Internet sales tax, saving all of us as much as $100.00 on every $1,000.00 we spend online. Sales taxes are REGRESSIVE, hurting middle class and low income people the most.

[3catwoman3]

148. I was screamong at the television when I heard Coburn...

...claiming that President Obama is a friend and that he is proud of the country for electing him. He has an effing funny way of showing it.

[elehhhhna]

24. ones i know can NEVER provide credible links

to the crazy crp they tell me. And they know it.

[msongs]

25. GW signed a bill waiving student loan paybacks for selected teacher categories. nt

[Scuba]

26. Thare gud at spelin. I thinck.

[shenmue]

27. They make me drink

I like vodka.

[Bragi]

28. Jeb's brother was much worse. /nt

[Dirty Socialist]

29. I Think Some Tea Partiers Are

Against NSA spying on US citizens, but I am not sure.

[BillZBubb]

39. Only if they are told Obama is for it.

[kelly1mm]

30. George Bush was very good on AIDS in Africa issues. nt

[amandabeech]

239. Yes, Jimmy Carter remarked on that at the opening of the George W. Bush library.

Carter always had a good heart. At the library opening, all the living presidents came out abreast. H.W. , who has been hospitalized this evening, was in a wheel chair and not moving so quickly. Shrub, Clinton and Obama strode out quickly, but Carter hung back with H.W. and the two of them, side by side, pulled up a few seconds later. Carter said something to H.W., and they both laughed. I'm sure Carter is aware of H.W.'s bad side, but Carter was looking out for H.W.'s dignity, even when the Shrub wasn't. Well, that was OT.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. They show up at the polls and vote in high numbers,

even in midterms and special elections. They are disciplined voters.

Democrats just don't do that.

I consider that a positive trait, even if they vote for shit.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. Circle of Life

That's all I've got.

Oh - and they provide hours of entertainment.

They have perfected the Art Of Nitwittery.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

48. My question has provided us with a few folks here who think many of

them are just great.

I need to know who I am dealing with and this kind of information is helpful.

[leftynyc]

54. Really?

Can you deign to link to one post that called anyone in the tea party "just great"?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

55. Those exact words, "just great" ? NO, I cant, I characterize for my own benefit

responses by certain people.

I characterize them the way I want to, thank you very much.

If I want to remember who went out of their way to defend the teaparty or GOP for future benefit is that a problem for you?

[leftynyc]

56. Went out of their way?

By honestly answering a question you asked us to answer? Perhaps we were merely being polite in not ignoring you. That may have been our mistake.

[arcane1]

79. "characterize them the way I want to"?

How does that differ from exaggerating or making things up?

Why not take people's words as they are? Otherwise, some could conclude that your motives for creating this OP are suspect.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

83. Suspect? Nah, I wanted to make it clear how terrible they are for society, but

certain folks here have turned this into something else, havent you, uh I mean they

Dear god, this is just fucking hilarious.

I have posted this comment on liberal message boards before and not ONCE ever has ANY person claiming to be a dem or liberal made a response supporting the character of these people in question.

But DU is a very different matter, isnt it

You havent alerted yet on me or this thread?

[arcane1]

84. This thread is too stupid to alert on, and a huge fail on your part.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

89. I failed, so you do think there are many wonderful things about teaparty and GOP?

That is the ONLY way this thread fails, if you and others believe that, right?

right?


(I am being punked right guys, this isnt DU, this is a board that has almost the same address, right?)

[arcane1]

93. Now you're changing the question to make it about the tea party as a whole, not individuals.

Fooling no one in the process.

Why not stick to the question in your OP? Are you saying there is nothing good about your own father?

[uppityperson]

117. your op asked about ANY one, not about the group as a whole. You are now extrapolating

answers to your question of "one" to the group as a whole, which is where the fail is.

I have a rwinger friend who is very supportive, giving and watchful of and for me. I very much disagree with his voting, but your op asked for "ONE positive about any rightwinger", so here is one for you.

You want " ONE positive about any..ideology", well there are lots. The ideology of not harming people or things has many positive.

Note to you, make sure the question you ask is really the one you meant to ask and make sure you understand what the answers are answering.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

120. Wrong, if you are an individual person who STILL votes repub or in ANY way supports that

ideology you are JUST as guilty as those they vote for when their death and destruction takes hold.

[uppityperson]

123. that is not what you asked. reread my previous post.

[arcane1]

132. Unless it's your father in post 87. He's great despite loving Bill-O?

Make up your mind.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

134. i do make exceptions for people who are brainwashed and not able to defend themselves

[arcane1]

138. Then by your "reasoning" you support an ideology of death and destruction.

And you call yourself a liberal?

[cyberswede]

141. LOL

if you are an individual person who STILL votes repub or in ANY way supports that

ideology you are JUST as guilty as those they vote for when their death and destruction takes hold.

Except if it's an exception for exceptional circumstances.

[arcane1]

144. And especially if it's a family member. Just like repubs, they change their tune if it affects them

or a loved one

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

153. Oh, so I cant love my father ...got it...and if i said i disowned him over politics, you would

do what cons do with Obama, you would attack me for that, i.e. no matter what I say, certain people here will argue with me, and I totally get that and why that would be

trust me

[arcane1]

155. So anyone who votes republican is complicit, except your dad.

Got it. No double standards here!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

156. Oh no, they are ALL complicit, but i make an exception NOT to disown my father...

They are ALL guilty and complicit.

Anyone who sides with them on ANY issue that in ANY way harms average people, also complicit.

Like I said, nothing i say to you will be acceptable.

[NuclearDem]

157. So if it directly affects you, you change your opinion.

Are you sure you're not just trolling us?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

158. As predicted, unless I disown my own father, you call me a hypocrite, but if I did disown him

you would attack me and point out what a ridiculous thing I have done.

Now I have a tiny feeling what Obama goes thru on a daily basis dealing with certain folks.

[NuclearDem]

159. Republicans and Tea Partiers follow a platform of death and destruction

and anyone who supports them or makes excuses for them is just as guilty as they are.

Now, watch as I make excuses for my Republican dad! No irony here at all!

Seriously, you're trolling us, aren't you?

[cyberswede]

163. !

[uppityperson]

160. no one said disown your dad, just pointing out the hipocracy of callong others complicit

for the behavior your engage in. Anyone who sides with them in any way is complicit, except for you. Gotcha!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

161. OH yes you did, I had the choice to disown him or make an exception for him, your approach

is familiar, not just yours but the other handful here who are spending an entire day debating something that most would not think would be a debate on a liberal message board.

Especially now, sure if I said something like this before W, before teaparty, then I would be out of line.

Not now...not now

[uppityperson]

162. That is false. Point out ONE time I said you had that choice. Point it out or retract your accusatio

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

165. The you was meant as the collection of you who are arguing with me about this, I was told that

I chose to make exceptions where convenient.

If you were not the person who said that, then i will retract it but it is clearly what someone said otherwise we would not be having this discussion, would we.

by arcane

And especially if it's a family member. Just like repubs, they change their tune if it affects them

or a loved one

I am out of energy arguing the virtues of rightwingers on a liberal message board, who would have thought

and in fact this person accused me of being like a rightwinger, an absolutely unacceptable comment actually

[uppityperson]

166. oh my. "you" was anyone you disagree with, Mccain gets no credit for being against

torture because he "might not have been" and anyone supporting anything a rwinger says or does is complicit in what the GOP and tea party does except you and your rw dad. And you understand what Pres Obama goes through.

And you continue to miss that you asked about individuals, somehow conflating noticing 1 good thing an individual might do with supporting the GOP.

Except for you. And when that is pointed out, you make wilder accusations.

Oh my.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

169. Wrong again, but there is no point in arguing about this.

I dont support anything any rightwinger ever does on any subject ever because the fact that they are rightwingers means they support the worst shit in the world and the fact that they might be right on one topic usually for selfish reasons is meaningless to me.

I admitted that my father followed a rightwinger but i still loved him and now YOU and the others have made this thread about the fact that I wont disown my father.



I didn't say you couldnt love your rightwing parent or sibling, I said you cant support the R party because to do so is to support death and destruction...

And no, I dont believe for one god damn second that John McCain would be so virtuous about torture if he hadnt been a victim of it.

Not for one god damn second.

[uppityperson]

174. no one except you said disown him, we are calling you on your apparent double standard

that anyone who sides with a rwinger is complicit, except you.

[NuclearDem]

208. What the fuck are you even talking about anymore?

Seriously, I can't follow you at all anymore.

[stevenleser]

218. It must be a full moon tonight. They're all out...

[arcane1]

164. It's not uppityperson's approach, it's your approach, all over this thread!

If you can't stand behind your own premise, you can't expect anyone else to.

This lame attempt at inventing fake reasons to smear your fellow DUers is a colossal FAIL, but it's at least been entertaining

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

167. I would never smear a liberal, not even close. I will make sure to take note of people who I believe

are not even remotely close to being liberals, because they tend to try and silence people.

[uppityperson]

168. Wtf? Where am I trying to silence anyone? You are the one who told me to quit replying.

[arcane1]

170. They wanted to be able to say "DU supports conservatives and silences libruls; here's proof!"

But it failed miserably

[uppityperson]

176. I keep thinking he's still upset with me over that old super ignore thing back on old du.

[arcane1]

179. Ah. I don't know anything about that. Their current ID is only a month old

[WorseBeforeBetter]

232. HEY! I Can Typing dude...

no one believes you're liberal or the Great Defender of Liberals, so give it a rest already.



I think I'm going to ask Skinner to create a special group for DU's "take note" crowd... one big circle-jerk of McCarthyesque list comparison. And since I'm already on the No Pledge list, add me to yours.

[cyberswede]

101. Absolutes are worthless when discussing individual people.

Tea party ideology is awful (as well as conservative economic and social policy), but decent people (perhaps low information types) could genuinely support conservative principles, simply because they don't know any better.

Your implication that ANY person who supports the character of ANY conservative person must be "claiming" to be a dem or liberal is laughable.

[NuclearDem]

81. Who's going out of their way to defend the Tea Party or GOP?

[arcane1]

85. It's a lame attempt by the OP to make DUers look bad.

Pathetic, really.

[goldent]

96. If you are making a list of naughty DU'ers, please share it with all of us.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

97. Just a list of people I need to avoid so I am sure I can speak my mind...

That was not the intention of the thread but as usual, anytime you say ANYTHING bad here about righty, you get some of the strangest responses

[WorseBeforeBetter]

233. Why do you allow others to prevent you from speaking your mind?

Sounds rather weak. And victim-ish.

[arely staircase]

33. GWB actually had a reasonable immigration proposal

So reasonable he couldn't get it past his own party in congress.

[GReedDiamond]

35. I know a guy who self-identifies as a teabagger...

...although, he has never once attended a bagger "event," he just likes to bloviate their idiot talking points in order to annoy me.

Despite that, he has turned against the police, and feels that they are out of control and need to be held responsible for their unjustified violence against those they are supposed to "protect and serve."

[Recursion]

37. Sure. My grandfather was an awesome human being

who disagreed with me about the actual results his policy preferences would have.

[CrispyQ]

40. Their misspelled signs make me laugh.

[True Blue Door]

42. Since their entire worldview stems from moral degeneracy

that's a tall order. Anything you could say would basically be a "kept the trains running on time" sort of statement, and you literally can't say that one because they tend to create chaos and decay in infrastructure.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

43. John McCain stood against torture

..and supported campaign finance reform with Russ Feingold.


...oh, I thought of another one...Elizabeth Warren left the Republican Party. I suppose that was positive.

[meow2u3]

44. RWNJs can do only ONE thing right

and that's protecting the right of vapers to use their e-cigs without treating them like lepers. Question is, will I be able to afford to vape if teabaggers take my Social Security away?

[el_bryanto]

46. Going back how far ?

But currently, I'll pick someone I think is an asshole on almost every level - George W. Bush - terrible president - and this one minor area doesn't make up for the torture and lying us into war - but when it comes to immigration he was much better than most of his party at that time.

Bryant

[Capt. Obvious]

49. Marilinda Garcia

She didn't win

[dawg]

50. Some of the Pro-Life people really are motivated by compassion for the "babies".

I think they are misguided, but many of them are quite sincere.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

59. I used to believe that, but controlling women is always behind it.

I am actually someone who wishes we could find an alternative to abortion and never have another one ever.

Morning after pill or something, but these same people would violently oppose that, so you cant win with them.

[dawg]

68. To me, you can tell the sincere ones by their willingness to ...

provide assistance to young mothers who made the "right" choice. If they are all about changing laws and protesting clinics, that is one thing. If they are actually trying to help the women that they counselled into carrying pregnancies to term, that is something else.

[Arkana]

53. Rand Paul opposes the Cuba embargo?

Other than that I got nothing.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

60. He is a free market person who would destroy what little quality of life we have left

[Arkana]

63. Didn't say Rand Paul was a good person.

Nor did I say that his economic ideas WEREN'T horrible abortions born of the corpse of Ayn Rand and the political philosophy of a 13-year-old kid who knows nothing about how the world works.

I just said I agreed with his reasons for opposing the Cuba embargo.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

64. Sorry, didnt mean to jump on you...my bad

[helpmetohelpyou]

71. Oh the irony

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

78. The irony that the free market he believes in is anything but free?

[pnwmom]

57. Jon Huntsman

has some attractive, funny daughters who seem to love him.

[Faux pas]

61. They resemble

human beings?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

62. Has this post or thread been alerted on yet?

[cyberswede]

102. That's an odd question.

Do you think it should be?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

103. Not at all, NOT EVEN CLOSE to an odd question

but saying that it is , well that is interesting

[cyberswede]

106. LOL. You're funny.

You seem disappointed that your thread hasn't been alerted.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

107. Oh no, that is the last thing I want. Some people do want to silence liberals though

[arcane1]

108. By implying that the liberals in question support right-wingers, perhaps?

No, that can't be it.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

109. Implying? LOL

[cyberswede]

110. Right? You know...

The OP (post) itself isn't flamebait, really, but the reaction by the OP (poster) to the replies certainly is.

[arcane1]

113. I've never encountered this sort of self-baiting, so at least it's original.

I'll give it that

[Cosmic Kitten]

66. Taxes are too high...

The right-wing is just wrong about WHY.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

69. Too high for who? Why?

[Cosmic Kitten]

70. Too high for the working class...

because the "job creators" are getting subsidies,
Wall st is getting bailed out,
and the MIC is on a rampage.

Taxes are too high...
the right-wing is just wrong about why.

[DrDan]

80. isn't it more an issue on how the tax revenues are spent?

Would you object to your taxes if the money was spent on infrastructure? or free education for all? or single-payer healthcare?

One area where I agree with the (current) rw is on the debt. We should be reducing the debt for the good of our future.

[Cosmic Kitten]

128. That's my point...how the tax revenues are spent

A tea-publican, right-wing authoritarian, etc
can be correct on occasion...
like how a broken clock can be correct twice a day.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

67. I've met some right wingers who are punctual..... that's about it.

[Iggo]

72. They vote.

[pampango]

74. A lot of them are against NSA spying, globalization and immigration. Those are issues that

many liberals would agree with them on though for different reasons in many cases.

[arcane1]

82. My father loves me, and loves the rest of my family too.

Should I disown him? Am I now flagged as a teabagger supporter?

[NuclearDem]

86. NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH

I SMITE THEE

[arcane1]

88. I am besmitten!!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

87. where in THE HELL did THAT come from?

NO, not anymore than I would have to disown my father who thought Bill Oreilly was a genius.

The fact is my father was a great man and a hero, Bill Oreilly is a piece of shit, but my father was blinded to that fact...

I hate , yes HATE the rightwing of this country, I think they are DEADLY and I have no interest in making any excuses for them

AT ALL

[NuclearDem]

90. Tanfuckingfastic, neither does anyone else here.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

91. Nobody on DU makes excuses for or defends the right? Wrong, many do...many

[NuclearDem]

94. Pointing out and acknowledging when someone you would otherwise not support at all

holds the right position on an issue is not making excuses for them.

Jesus fucking Christ, you seem to know a lot about DU for only being a poster here for a month.

[Stellar]

92. Can you? Just wondering.

I'm still thinking....

[cyberswede]

95. ...at least it's a ethos.

for reference:

[WilliamPitt]

98. Ideology? No, but...

...in one of the great ironies of life, I would say that about 70% of my very closest friends range from center-right to far-right on the political spectrum. If they had worn their politics on their sleeves when we first met, those friendships may never have formed. Instead, I got to know them as people first. When the politics came out later, I didn't care, because I knew they were such good people who would not only give me the shirt off their back, but would peel off the skin beneath if I needed it. They would walk through fire for me, and I for them, and that is quite simply that.

So, to answer your query about a positive? In my experience with my people, it comes down to one word: loyalty. Absolute brass-bound loyalty.

Plus, we have these great rousing debates. I almost always win.

[name not needed]

99. Remember, everyone that disagrees with you is subhuman filth.

Stay angry, stay afraid.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

100. Really, where did I say that?

p.s.

it isnt a disagreement if I say black people and gay people are equal to white people and you say no they arent

[muntrv]

104. One positive about a rightwinger is he/she can be comedy gold.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

105. That is the one I would say, hadnt got around to it yet. I write with a family member who

does stand up and we often resort to this sure fire source of laughter.

[Maedhros]

114. Enjoy your Two Minute Hate. [n/t]

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

115. Nothing to add, huh? Hate?

Is it hate to ask what use rightwingers are?

[NuclearDem]

116. MIRT, one slipped the net.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

118. I am the crazy one, pointing out the endless death and destruction from the right?

So you think I should be dealt with, right?

I mean how fucking INSANE is it for an actual LIBERAL to post on DU

[NuclearDem]

119. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

133. About an ideology of death and destruction? Stopping minorities from voting?

Killing women in back alleys?

I cant protest enough, thank you

[uppityperson]

129. no, but you asked for ONE positive thing about any rwinger, not if we think the group or

policies, politics of the group have any positives.

You asked for 1 thing about any individual.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

131. And you answered, why are you arguing with me, I have my opinion of ANY person who supports

an ideology of death and destruction, you may have a different one.

Why are you so intent on changing my mind or arguing with me?

[uppityperson]

140. why are you arguing with me when I clearly answered your question?

You tell me my answer is wrong and I show how it is what you asked and you continue to argue. Odd.

[Maedhros]

245. I find it counter-productive.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

Eleanor Roosevelt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

130. Comic relief.

[Savannahmann]

139. Ridiculous

Some in the RW are opposed to the NSA spying. Oh they may call it Civil Liberties instead of civil rights. Being party before principle Democrats we would oppose them on general principle.

The Libertarian leaning ones support legalization of Marijuana.

Several Conservative pundits joined the outrage regarding Michael Vrown and Eric Gardner.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6264886

There was a time when we tried to find common ground and reach across the aisle. Today we would rather take a beating with a brick stick than give them the time of day.

[cyberswede]

142. In case you missed it...

Here's the real motive for the OP:

[Savannahmann]

146. Oh I know.

But I've long argued that we should learn that when someone agrees with us on an issue, run with it and make some progress. Too many here would oppose workers rights if the GOP was in favor of it.

[arcane1]

147. Indeed. Common ground on something besides bank deregulation is a GOOD thing!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

154. Ridiculous...supporting this here or that there ENTIRELY for selfish reasons, as they do

doesnt qualify as good.

Dont lecture ME about not being willing to god damn compromise and work together, the left and the president have done nothing but that...from day one

[Savannahmann]

250. Pfui.

Let's take legalization of Marijuana. Now, I've probably mentioned this before, but I'm allergic and can't smoke or eat it. So legalizing it for me would make exactly zero difference in my life.

However, let's look at the issue anyway. The Libertarians want it legalized because they believe it's your body and you individually are responsible for your actions. This is part of their larger you have a right to take anything you want, medicine or mind altering. I'm pretty sure we're going to disagree on some things, but that is irrelevant. What matters is the small tiny issue in the grand scheme of things, legalizing Marijuana. I don't need to agree on corporate responsibility. I don't have to agree with any other statement they make. I don't even agree with why they are supporting this issue, what I care about is the ends.

Corporate loving Republicans decide to legalize it because they want to throw a bone to RJ Reynolds and give the cigarette companies something to grow and sell that is smokable. I don't care about that. They also want the taxes to fund the department of defense.

Let's get it legalized and then we can discuss what the taxes would be spent on.

Liberals see millions of people with criminal records over this and think it's abusive nonsense. We think among other things, that there are some medicinal properties, but mostly it's just pot and when that many people are using it's kind of silly to sentence them to many years in prison over it. I know that is so overly simplified that it's practically insulting, go along with me here please.

I don't care that the Libertarians are planning on using it as a stepping stone to legalize any drugs from the pharmacy to anyone who can look over the counter. We'll discuss that later and see if we can agree, but I'm doubtful. I don't give a flying fuck if the Republicans are hoping to give the cigarette companies something to sell. The pot is going to be sold by someone, and taxes will have to be collected. As long as the Republicans don't say that only RJ Reynolds can sell I'm willing to authorize them to sell.

In the end, we arrive at a result, one we can all live with. It may not be perfect, and it may not be the ideal solution for anyone in those groups, but improvements have been made, some progress has been achieved even if it's not the awesome result we were hoping for, and we're on to the next issue.

We may not get the game winning hail mary throw that ends up in the end zone. But we get a first down, and we get to play again on the next issue.

[SomethingFishy]

143. Well just alienate all of them.

That should get you what you want real fast, working with just half the population.

You are posting a number of threads insisting there is no use whatsoever for Republicans. However, you just got your ass handed to you in an election.

You may want to re-think your strategy. You are not going to solve any of the countries ills without the support of some republicans. Yes 30% of them are useless racist morons. But some are not, and those are the ones who will work with us to re-ignite the middle class.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

151. I just had MY ass handed to me, so you are a republican?

[Matrosov]

150. They're self-centered loudmouths

But that makes them easy to identify

[Atman]

152. They're great at airport glory holes.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

171. Is this a poll? Cuz, then no.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

173. That is the easy, simple answer to this question.

Well done.

you must be a dreaded liberal, I have heard about you folks

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

177. You're clairvoyant!

[lumberjack_jeff]

172. They supported the ABLE act

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll545.xml

http://www.rollcall.com/news/congress_must_pass_the_able_act_commentary-238620-1.html

12 of the 17 people who voted against it are Democrats.

So there's that.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

175. Looking for the hook here, it is SO unlike them to do anything that helps anyone other

than billionaires.

Haven't found it yet.

[lumberjack_jeff]

181. I'm in the disability social services business.

I see little predictive value in knowing a person's party affiliation with regard to their support of people with disabilities. I've found it a point of common ground.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

182. That is good to know, then you must also know that the ADA gets a bad name when attorneys

sue businesses like restaurants and so on.

Then the restaurant closes down and blames the ADA, etc.


Wasnt Clint Eastwood famous for attacking this?

[lumberjack_jeff]

193. Enforcement mechanisms for the ADA could be improved.

If public works and building officials were authorized to issue citations to noncompliant buildings, abusive lawsuits would be reduced.

California has the right idea.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

194. That is new then...good. I get so sick of hearing cons yell at me they cant

get their favorite bbq meat sandwich or arctic circle burger because of this

[Nay]

238. That's interesting, because my RW sister-in-law nearly started frothing at

the mouth about all the taxes she had to pay because of people who wouldn't "take care of themselves" and became disabled or otherwise unable to work because they were fat/lazy/didn't eat right and got cancer, diabetes, arthritis, etc., and they could have avoided illness by being perfectly straight and narrow in their eating and living. IOW, most persons' illnesses were a result of their own failings, and she hated paying for them. She may be unusual, but I've heard that before from RWers, so I don't know. You've been lucky, Jeff.

[lumberjack_jeff]

247. I've heard similarly ignorant things in other circles.

In my experience, having a personal connection to the issue trumps ideology in that regard.

The Achieving a Better Life Experience (ABLE) Act of 2013 (S. 313/H.R.647) was introduced in the 113th Congress by a bipartisan, bicameral set of Congressional Champions including Sens. Robert Casey, Jr., (D-PA) and Richard Burr (R-NC), and Reps. Ander Crenshaw (R-FL), Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA), and Pete Sessions (R-TX).

The ABLE Act would amend Section 529 of the Internal Revenue Service Code of 1986 to create tax-free savings accounts for individuals with disabilities. The bill aims to ease financial strains faced by individuals with disabilities by making tax-free savings accounts available to cover qualified expenses such as education, housing, and transportation. The bill would supplement, but not supplant, benefits provided through private insurances, the Medicaid program, the supplemental security income program, the beneficiary’s employment, and other sources.

An ABLE account could fund a variety of essential expenses for individuals, including medical and dental care, education, community based supports, employment training, assistive technology, housing, and transportation. The ABLE Act provides individuals with disabilities the same types of flexible savings tools that all other Americans have through college savings accounts, health savings accounts, and individual retirement accounts. The legislation also contains Medicaid fraud protection against abuse and a Medicaid pay-back provision when the beneficiary passes away. It will eliminate barriers to work and saving by preventing dollars saved through ABLE accounts from counting against an individual’s eligibility for any federal benefits program.

- See more at: http://www1.ndss.org/Advocacy/Legislative-Agenda/Creating-an-Economic-Future-for-Individuals-with-Down-Syndrome/Achieving-a-Better-of-Life-Experience-ABLE-Act/#sthash.6RhzxA2e.dpuf

http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/disability-newsmembers-offer-rare-display-of-emotion-with-able-act/?dcz=

Here are the 17 "no" votes in the House
Amash
Becerra
Bridenstine
Garamendi
Grijalva
Huelskamp
Jones
McDermott
Moore
Napolitano
Pocan
Ruiz
Sanford
Schakowsky
Scott, David
Takano
Wasserman Schultz

Bold are Democrats.

[Enrique]

178. BEWARE: OP is making a list of people who answered the wrong way

so, to preserve your reputation as a good DUer, answer the right way, even though you don't believe it anymore than the OP does.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

180. No, I never make mental notes of who agrees with me and who doesnt, nah, never.

You dont either.

nah, never

Now one person has accused me of being a rightwinger and another of making lists, kind of McCarthy type shit I presume.

Let me see if I can keep these straight in my browser

www.discussionist.com

www.democraticunderground.com

which is which, hard to tell sometimes

[uppityperson]

189. is discussionist on time out too?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

192. Time out? It is just that it is harder to keep track of where I am than I thought it would be

I am sure I dont have to explain that comment...

[uppityperson]

195. oh I agree, it must be harder for you to keep track of who you are.

Hope you've good holidays with the kids.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

196. What? what kids? what?

[arcane1]

190. In post 97 you claim to be making a list. Quote:

"Just a list of people I need to avoid so I am sure I can speak my mind..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5996666


Make up your mind!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

191. Mental note, list...I will make sure I am careful who I say what to, as some seem just waiting

to pull a trigger of sorts.

You seem to laugh a lot about a very important topic, the death and destruction of the rightwing, why is that?

[arcane1]

198. I'm laughing because you can't keep your bullshit stright.

And everyone gets it except you

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

199. You mean the two or three of you who are arguing with me, not the HUNDRED or so who agree with

me, right?

I take that back

it is almost TWO HUNDRED

should we do a poll?

[uppityperson]

201. 7 recs= 200? please, do a poll.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

202. LIke I said, you wanna do a poll, here is how it would read

a. I believe rightwingers are dangerous to society and a really big problem

b. I think there are many things about rightwingers that are just fine


wanna see who gets the most votes?


but i cant rely on someone NOT sending out dozens of pm's to like minded people

[arcane1]

204. You're misrepresenting the premise of your OP, again.

It's almost as if it's deliberate

[uppityperson]

212. "should we do a poll" sure do a poll on your op question, can you name ONE

positive about any rightwinger. Or how about : do you think a rwinger might be able to do something positive and you still be against what the GOP does? Or even can you love a GOP supporting parent yet still hate what the GOP stand for and does?

[uppityperson]

220. here you go, your op question, since you can't do polls as haven't donated.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025998266

[arcane1]

203. 7 recs last time I checked. Not even close to hundreds.

[uppityperson]

197. oh, picky picky picky.

But you see, a "mental note" isn't a "list". One has 2 words, 3 syllables, the other only 1 and 1.

[arcane1]

205. I always get them mixed up. I'd write them down, but that's a list!

[Enrique]

200. i'm picturing an Excel spreadsheet

and I'm sure both you and I have our own cells there.

[arcane1]

207. I better have my own TAB!

[bigwillq]

183. My aunt and uncle are very cool

generous and loving people. And great parents and grandparents.
They believe in things that I don't believe in, but that doesn't mean they're not great people, imo.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

184. Okeydoke.

[Hepburn]

185. They are decreasing in number...n/t

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

187. Another liberal I see...I keep hearing there are a few on DU

[KansDem]

186. They convert o2 to co2 for the benefit of houseplants...

Beyond that, I'd have to think a bit...

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

188. And ANOTHER liberal, sheesh, I knew I heard there were liberals here

[Lizzie Poppet]

206. Um...spiffy uniforms?

Sad that I have to reach back to the 30's and 40's, though...

[great white snark]

209. Holy crapola, bet you didn't expect all the Republican/Libertarian apologists chiming in.

My anser of course is no I cannot.

On the other hand after reading your replies, much, much respect for you NoJusticeNoPeace and your ideology.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

210. Thanks, this place is tricky..you have to pay very close attention

[WorseBeforeBetter]

237. DU is tricky?

Oh, those wily DUers!



It's a wonder some members have managed for over 10 years...

[uppityperson]

215. so his self admitted rwinger dad has never done one positive thing? That's not nice.

[arcane1]

221. Interesting, I haven't seen a single "apologist" post in this entire thread.

Or am I an "apologist" for admitting that my conservative dad has positive qualities?

Seems to me this whole thread is to falsely smear DUers, and you fell for it.

[NuclearDem]

226. Yes you can.

[Tom Ripley]

213. Mortality

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

214. LOL - evolution

[stevenleser]

217. Thou hast disrupted... poorly. nt

[JonLP24]

219. I'm a big fan of 4th amendment side of Libertarianism

The freedom for private business side loses me. Also, Rand Paul, probably the most powerful Libertarian (besides the Koch brothers) loses me with the abortion restrictions. Something like the Government Shutdown Prevention bill has a lot of things I like, making sure federal employees get paid but at the end it has restrictions such as don't fund ACA and abortions.

I also favor letting the free market do its thing but within reason. I oppose the Republicans rigging the game in the CEO's favor, union-busting, etc. More than I favor unions I support the negotiating process, strong unions is the best way the see overall wages rise--more than rising the minimum wage, which I favor but the industries that would be harm would either cut the hours or something else.

[Jackpine Radical]

223. Yes, I can.

Many people who for one reason or another hold right-wing views are nevertheless decent people. I can certainly think of examples.

As for ideology, if you consider libertarianism to be right-wing, then I would admit to sharing several perspectives with at least some libertarians on civil-libertarian issues like drug legalization, pro-choice, etc. I differ with them most profoundly on most economic and environmental and regulatory issues, but again join with them in opposing "free trade" agreements.

[LiberalElite]

224. They don't give up

even when the odds are seemingly against them.

[Throd]

227. My mother-in-law is a kind and loving person who always votes Republican.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

228. A neighbor a couple of doors down is a total Southern Baptist Teabagger...

and if I called on her to help with something around the house, car, yard, etc. she'd be there in a heartbeat -- day or night.

[LaydeeBug]

230. George H W Bush told the truth when he called Reaganomics "Voodoo economics" and he was right to

raise taxes. Trickle down doesn't work.

And even though I really wanted Clinton to win, I felt badly at how he was clobbered with "read my lips" when it really was the "prudent thing to do".

[cheapdate]

231. Very broadly speaking, both conservative and liberal viewpoints are necessary

for long term viability of society. In the long term, a strictly conservative society would not be able to adapt to changing circumstances and would perish. A strictly liberal society would become fragmented and unstable over time. A mix of conservative and liberal viewpoints is the strongest.

That said, I'm not sure I can come up with anything specific that I admire about rightwingers or their ideology.

[sakabatou]

235. Nope

[zappaman]

240. Kick for the most entertaining thread I've seen in quite awhile!

Hilarious responses to a ridiculous OP

[Jim Lane]

241. Ron Paul voted against the Iraq War Resolution.

You reject some of the proffered answers on this basis:

Ridiculous...supporting this here or that there ENTIRELY for selfish reasons, as they do doesnt qualify as good.

I disagree with you, because I'm willing to give people some credit for good actions, even if undertaken for selfish reasons. Nevertheless, we don't need to get into that to assess the example of Ron Paul.

The libertarian ideology of small government would entail shredding (or, in its purest form, abolishing) the social safety net, thus inflicting needless suffering on millions of people. So, I'm against it. BUT some libertarians have the intelligence to see that a major engine pushing us toward bigger government is the MIC and the promotion of imperialist wars, like the invasion of Iraq. My opinion is that Ron Paul wasn't voting No for selfish reasons (I'd guess his district was pro-war) but rather as a sincere consequence of his ideology -- an ideology that's generally wrong but that takes a correct view on many foreign policy issues.

It's too bad that most libertarians are just looking for a superficially plausible justification for class warfare.

That's my answer to your original question. Please note that I am not saying that Ron Paul is "just great" and I'm not commenting on his overall character and I haven't alerted your OP and I don't think your OP should be hidden. I'm saying only that every member of Congress who voted against the IWR did a good thing, regardless of his or her motives.

[Bigmack]

244. All/any of them would make good compost!....

Wait... no... not good compost.

With all the toxins in those people, you'd never want to compost them into your garden.

Lemme think...


Nope... I got nuthin'.

[eridani]

246. Phyllis Schlafly was on Thom Hartmann today

She came out very strongly against TPP and all its predecessors. You'll find that a lot of wingers are right about a few things--stopped clocks and all.

[Laffy Kat]

248. Sure! They make us look damn good. nt

[WhiteAndNerdy]

249. Occasionally, I hear a RWer say something I agree with.

But I don't frame it as me having some RW views; I tend to see it as a surprising example of rationality in the RWer. I've voted Dem my entire adult life, so I'm obviously not a closet conservative.

Someone upthread mentioned that they sometimes agree with something a RWer says, but probably for different reasons, and that is the case for me a lot of the time. I think the reasons that a person takes a certain position are as important as the position itself because the reasons reveal a person's values, or the philosophical foundation they're working from. The real difference between right and left is about those underlying values much more than specific policy positions.

[Atman]

251. Sometimes they die.

Sorry...that's the best I can come up with.