man beats rape suspect to a pulp. cops seem ok with it

[Liberal_in_LA]

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Police said the boyfriend was “acting in defense for the victim,” according to WIS. The encounter between the suspect and the victim was not consensual, according to police.

http://myfox8.com/2015/01/02/rape-suspect-brutally-beaten-by-victims-boyfriend/
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William Mattson, 52, was arrested early Thursday morning after allegedly raping his nephew's girlfriend inside their shared Conway, South Carolina home.
William Mattson's New Year’s Eve left him seeing stars.

The 52-year-old sexual assault suspect was found beaten to a bloody pulp when picked up by police in Conway, S.C. just after midnight Thursday, police said.

The victim's boyfriend told police he found Mattson having his way with her inside a bedroom of his father's house, where he lives with his girlfriend and Mattson, Myrtle Beach Online reported.

Upon hearing odd sounds coming from inside the room, he told police he kicked the bedroom door down and apparently went Rambo on his uncle while physically driving him out of the home with pounding fists.

After calling police and reporting the chaotic scene, Mattson returned to the property and told officers that his sexual relations with the victim were consensual.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/s-man-severely-beaten-allegedly-raping-woman-article-1.2064076

That's when Mattson's nephew lunged at him again, brutally ripping into his face once more, police said.

[Xipe Totec]

1. What would you do, given the same scenario? nt

[jschurchin]

3. The same Fucking thing the Kid did. nt

[840high]

22. ...^ that

[alphafemale]

2. Seems like he consented to the beating.

Not a legitimate beating.

[Xipe Totec]

4. That's the most perfect response, ever. nt

[alphafemale]

9. It really crawls up my craw when someone tries to show what a liberal they are....

By weeping over slight harm done to an obvious predator and wretch.

That is not even all that beaten up.

Some people have it coming.

Period.

[uppityperson]

13. I am confused. That is "slight harm"?

I have no problem with what happened to the rapist, but am confused by what you write.

My rapists never had any consequences.

[alphafemale]

17. I meant that is not even a very solid beating.

Some bruising and scratching,

No real cuts or broken teeth or facial bones.

That was physical force enough just enough to stop. That was not to the level to inflict serious bodily harm.

[Logical]

23. Wow, I bet you love the Lynch mob too. Some people are confused of why we have a....

Justice system and not just people decide how to punish.

[alphafemale]

29. Yeah. They should have let him have his way.

Poor pervert.

You have obviously never had to defend yourself against someone.

[truebluegreen]

56. Yeah. Not beating a man to a pulp

is totally the same thing as "letting him have his way."

[smirkymonkey]

50. +1000

[brer cat]

8. You are in the running

for post of the year, and we are only in the second day!

[Aerows]

58. Yep

I'm not going to sit here and mourn that a rapist got the hell beaten out of him. Please feel free to take up another cause, because I'm not jumping on the "pity the rapist that got the hell beaten out of him" bandwagon.

[msanthrope]

5. There's lots I could say. I'd get banned, though. nt

[Warpy]

6. He looks a lot better than one of the locals did

after a bunch of random guys caught him raping a 5 year old boy in an abandoned motel.

I almost felt sorry for the guy until a friend working peds that night told me what he'd done to the little boy. Some people over the years have been very hard to care for.

[freshwest]

7. Rapists found in flagrante delicto were formerly shot dead. From the link:

After calling police and reporting the chaotic scene, Mattson returned to the property and told officers that his sexual relations with the victim were consensual.

That's when Mattson's nephew lunged at him again, brutally ripping into his face once more, police said.

The victim, whose age was not listed by police, denied that their relations were consensual.

Mattson was arrested and charged with Criminal Sexual Conduct 1st Degree.

The parts emboldened show there is more to the story than the OP states at the link. But it was no doubt edited to fit in the DU guidelines.

[lpbk2713]

11. Victim was 21, nephew was 27.

According to this article: http://www.wbtw.com/story/27748248/conway-man-arrested-on-sexual-assault-charge

[freshwest]

20. Does being an adult negate rape charges? I didn't mention age, why bring it up?

Perhaps you were speaking to another poster when you replied. That wasn't as important was that it was a rape, and not consensual, which the OP didn't show. And as I said, edited to fit DU rules.

[lpbk2713]

25. Of course it doesn't negate rape charges. I meant no offense.

You had a line in your post that said age was not listed. I was
merely pointing out a link where that information was given.

[freshwest]

27. That's good. Perhaps I should have underlined my intended emphasis. We're cool.

[QuestionableC]

10. Discretion ... Charges unwarranted.

Good job on getting another rapist off the street.

[braddy]

12. Rape used to get the death penalty in many states.

[AgingAmerican]

33. Which is a bad idea

Because it may spur the rapist to not leave any witnesses aka kill the victim

[braddy]

34. The possible victim should shoot him

What is your defense against rape?

[aikoaiko]

14. These things happen.

[Beaverhausen]

16. What the fuck?

Are you serious?

[oneshooter]

52. And sometimes NU is right about you. n/t

[JanMichael]

60. Cute and not very clever. NU and you said the same thing.

You just thought it would be better veiled. Nice cloaking. Funny how that's ok now.

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. I understand what you are saying, appreciate the fact that you have stated "Of course

I could be flat out wrong," and absolutely abhor the fact that a DUer would call you an asshole just for bringing that up.

Yes, it did happen here in Houston. A father caught his daughter with a boy in her bedroom, only he was hiding under the bed. The girl acted as if she had no idea who the boy was, and he was shot dead by the father as an intruder. He was, in fact, her boyfriend.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/13/dad-shoots-teen-daughters-room/6398115/

It does happen, and I understand your point.

[geek tragedy]

37. So you're accusing the woman of lying about this

based upon nothing but your own prejudice.

Please excuse yourself from any rape juries, or any other scenario where misogyny is a disqualified.

[geek tragedy]

40. You said the woman is lying about consent.

I bet anything that they were are all shitfaced and the girlfriend was diddling the uncle

You called her a liar and proclaimed the uncle innocent.

[smirkymonkey]

51. What 21 year old woman would consent to sex with an

unattractive old man that she was related to?

[JanMichael]

61. We live in a weird world. Do not think this type of thing does not happen.

Last edited Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:49 AM - Edit history (1)

That is mistake number one. By the way there are plenty of "unattractive" (your terms for him after having his face bashed in and we have no idea what she looks like) 21 year old women (and 21 year old men for that matter) that would do what you seem to think is not possible with any guy (or woman) that shows up on a drunken or drug filled new years eve. I am not judging but that is reality.

There are a lot high horses ("unattractive" etcetera) running around lately. The lumpen proletariat are being highly criticized here.

And my new sig line - "and I may be absolutely wrong".

[doc03]

26. Good for him he deserved it, it would be hard for me not

to blow his head off.

[bluestateguy]

28. Somebody assaults my girlfriend, I'd do the same thing

And dare any jury to convict me for doing it.

[Schema Thing]

30. Surprised to see folks here welcoming the vigilantism

We have no way of knowing if the sex was consensual or not. We have no reason to think it wasn't. Do you think she would admit to it in the face of the violent vigilante? Do you think vigilante boy would have just said "oh well, carry on" if he thought the sex was consensual?


^ this is why we DON'T allow this - or at least shouldn't. Vigilante boys don't make good judges or juries. And if it's allowed and encouraged, people will (and do) conspire against other people.

[BubbaFett]

31. Everyone

at some point in their life has to take an ass beating, literal or otherwise.

[Beaverhausen]

32. Vigilante boy probably has a good idea if it was consensual

Far more so than any of us.

[Schema Thing]

65. Really. Do you deal with humans in everyday life?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026069402

[Beaverhausen]

68. oh gee you are right

Of course All women lie about being raped. What planet do I live on?

[pintobean]

35. She said it wasn't consensual. What do you need?

How many 21 year old women do you know who want to have sex with guys in their 50s?

[FrodosPet]

36. 26 year old women on the other hand...

Sometimes life doesn't suck!!!

[smirkymonkey]

53. Seriously!

Sheesh! You can tell even before the beating that the guy was not exactly a dreamboat!

[Schema Thing]

64. oh look, the reality of humanity:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026069402

[Schema Thing]

66. I guess I'd need an investigation ya know?

because sometimes 21 yo women do indeed want to have sex with 50 year old guys. Not often, but sometimes.


And sometimes people lie about sex for various reasons: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026069402

hence my desire for investigation rather than vigilantism. But you know, I'm funny and progressive and liberal and smart like that.

[pintobean]

67. Funny. I'll agree with that.

[geek tragedy]

38. "We have no reason to think it wasn't"

Except for the fact the woman said it wasn't consensual.

But, of course, the woman's perspective means nothing to you.

You are rape culture.

[geek tragedy]

43. When a woman says she did not consent and someone says her statement means nothing, that is misogyny

That is sharia logic.

The person flat out said that the woman's statement that she did not consent was "no reason" to think she did not consent.

This is why most rapists get away with it--because a lot of male and female misogynists automatically assume the woman is lying.

[Schema Thing]

48. Indeed. See post #24 for an example of how wrong this sort of thing can go

[L0oniX]

42. Jury results...

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This person is saying that if a woman says she did not consent to intercourse, that her statement means literally nothing--that a rape victim's testimony provides "no reason" to think she was raped.

This misogyny and rape-enabling attitude doesn't belong anywhere, let alone DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jan 3, 2015, 07:05 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't hurt yourself, alerter.. that's quite a stretch.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Automatically dismissing claims of rape IS textbook misogyny and has NO place in society, including DU.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: YAwn ...another bullshit alert.

[Schema Thing]

49. Well that gives me hope for DU

And Juror #2, when you have raised a daughter half as strong as mine you can accuse me of misogyny.

[davidpdx]

55. The line between intervening and vigilantism is not one that should be crossed

My first question is whether the nephew could have pinned his uncle down and called the police. I think he could have. I completely agree the guy should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. My second question is why give the defense something in which they can try to gain sympathy for this guy. Once he's convicted and in prison he'll have to watch his back plenty and life will be a living hell.

[dilby]

46. I really hope the mans fists are ok, would hate for him to have sustained any injuries.

The guy did the right thing, there are times in life you either step in and stop bad things from happening or you let them happen and regret you did not have the courage to do what was right. When stopping brutality sometimes you have to use brutality.

[muriel_volestrangler]

47. I suspect "Mattson's nephew lunged at him again, brutally ripping into his face once more" is wrong

I was going to say that the initial attack by the nephew to drive him off and out is understandable, because it stopped a rape in progress. But the way the NY Daily News reports it, the nephew attacked him again, with the police present. And that would be wrong - it's up to the police to arrest the guy at that point.

But reading other reports, they don't talk about a second attack. And I think the NYDN has misinterpreted this:

He told police he kicked the door down and found his uncle, Mattson, who also lives in the house, on top of his girlfriend. He claims he drove his uncle from the home, striking him repeatedly.

While the nephew was giving his statement to police, the uncle returned to the home and told police his nephew had dropped the girl off and that he and the girl were drinking together. Mattson told police they began to hug and kiss while the girl was naked under a blanket, but that he was fully clothed. It’s then his nephew returned and struck him repeatedly, the report says.

Read more here: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2015/01/02/4702693/conway-man-faces-sex-assault-charges.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2015/01/02/4702693/conway-man-faces-sex-assault-charges.html

Since that says "It’s then his nephew returned and struck him repeatedly", I think that refers to when he first found his uncle on top of his girlfriend - since that was a return to the house by the nephew, but the nephew was talking to the police when the uncle returned.

But, if the NYDN does have it right after all, then the nephew should be prosecuted for the second attack. You can't justify a serious attack on someone just for them trying to give an excuse.

[mythology]

63. Hopefully that's the case

If the police let the nephew have another shot at the uncle, the nephew and the police who watched should all be arrested.

Attacking in the heat of the moment is one thing, doing so afterward is unjustified.

And it's not like the NY Daily News is big on getting the details right.

[diabeticman]

54. I am probably bias when I say this BUT if someone touches my wife and you better bet this 145lber

will need 3 people to get me off the person. I have to side with the nephew.

[ileus]

57. He got lucky, I see one good eye.

[sarisataka]

59. It sounds like NYDN

sides with rapists when they describe someone stopping a rape as "going Rambo".

IF there was a second beating, that may be cause for charges- though I would not want to be the DA trying that case.

[JanMichael]

62. Just a note on why I just deleted some posts.

They (the posts) were simply creating problems with other DUers that I normally have no problem with. That is pointless and unnecessary.

However I stand by my original gut feeling that the story has some unknown elements that may make the situation not so cut and dry. It is near sighted to take any type of public domestic altercation issue at internet face value based on 100 plus variations of one original police info driven article. I believe that over the next few days the story will change (maybe to levels that no one could guess) BUT we won't see that happen because in reality no one give a real shit about it or the people involved. We won't see that.

I also find the cheering of vigilant "justice" repulsive. Especially when the information is new, fresh, and contains the "alleged" word. It is not cool when common people beat each other up regardless of the accusation or reasoning. That's like cheering for Bum Fights. Not cool at at.

No jury no judge just internet frothing at the mouth. It is the kind of knee jerk vindictive behavior that we see on Yahoo comments or other conservative leaning places. I have little use for that.