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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:00 AM Jan 2015

Flashback: the NAFTA flap from the 2008 campagin

for those who have forgotten, Obama promised to renegotiate NAFTA, then it was reported that Obama adviser Austan Goolsbee reassured Canada that it was just a pose. The Obama campaign denied it strongly, but then this memo came out:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/03/whoops-obama-adviser-did-talk-nafta-canadian-govt

"Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign. He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans."


To be fair, Goolsbee says this is not an accurate characterization of the meeting.

But regardless, that was when Obama was running. Now he has won the presidency, and he has been re-elected. I think it's fair to assess Obama's true stance now. When he said he would renegotiate NAFTA did he mean it or was he just positioning himself in the Democratic primaries?
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Flashback: the NAFTA flap from the 2008 campagin (Original Post) Enrique Jan 2015 OP
Ouch. Painful reminder!! And they wonder why we are disappointed in Obama. RiverLover Jan 2015 #1
Great video...thanks!..nt Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #2
with pleasure! RiverLover Jan 2015 #9
Both were wrong and dishonest and there was not a dime's worth of difference. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #5
I just want to know how they kept straight faces. RiverLover Jan 2015 #10
Mandatory Seinfeld reference :) Babel_17 Jan 2015 #16
That is a reminder of just how politics is working for us. zeemike Jan 2015 #7
and so it goes ... GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #3
The facts should speak for themselves nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #4
The facts should speak for themselves but they won't be heard outside of some obscure websites. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #6
candidate Obama was also for a public option and was pro labor. He was also Doctor_J Jan 2015 #8
Bingo! I'm surprised this isn't discussed more. RiverLover Jan 2015 #14
The Army for Change! bvar22 Jan 2015 #20
Are you on the right website? Dissent on Obama is fine, demonization is OK also? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #17
Wanting what we voted for is demonizing him? Wanting Democratic principles to be upheld is bad? RiverLover Jan 2015 #18
You're not the arbiter of acceptable criticism. /nt Marr Jan 2015 #19
or not ... AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #11
Hillary strikes again ... rosesaylavee Jan 2015 #12
Obama also said in his 2012 campaign that Social Security and Medicare was off the table INdemo Jan 2015 #13
That incident brightly illuminates my beef, and I dare says others', with BO and the BO GoneFishin Jan 2015 #15

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
5. Both were wrong and dishonest and there was not a dime's worth of difference.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jan 2015

But notice how the public and the media were more aware of the destructive nature of NAFTA then, than what they are now.

This illustrates how more thoroughly the media is controlled now. You will not hear a peep of criticism of trade deals on your TV today.

The game is fucking rigged, folks. And "our" side is in on it.

I would never, under any circumstances, vote fro HRC.

I would remind the President that none of his workers rights or environmental measures were ever addressed and we did not opt out of NAFTA. Now the President is proposing new, even worse trade deals that will destroy even more lives.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
7. That is a reminder of just how politics is working for us.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jan 2015

Both choices speak nice words that they never live up to...all for show.
Not only do we still have NAFTA but now they are working on TPP to finish us off.
Third world country here we come.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
4. The facts should speak for themselves
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:38 AM
Jan 2015

Obama promised to re-negotiate NAFTA



Once elected, all such talk was completely abandoned. To be fair, this wasn't the only campaign promise Obama ignored.

Anyone that believes anything out of Goolsbee's mouth should be ashamed. And now, for the next 2 years, the hapless American will be subjected to yet another round of lie after lie after lie, costing millions and millions of dollars. The least the Citizens could do is shorten the "campaign" season. Save some dignity- if there's any left to save.

Goolsbee/Gruber 2016. "Taking Lying to Dumb Americans to the Next Level"
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
8. candidate Obama was also for a public option and was pro labor. He was also
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jan 2015

a complete fraud, and the main reason the party is almost dead.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
14. Bingo! I'm surprised this isn't discussed more.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jan 2015
the main reason the party is almost dead.


He got most of the entire nation so incredibly ready for populist change, and then zip. Nothing but the same ole crony capitalism.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
20. The Army for Change!
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jan 2015

[font color=white]......[/font][font size=4]Obama's Army for “CHANGE”, Jan. 21, 2009[/font]

[font color=white].....................[/font][font size=4]"Oh, What could have been."[/font]

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
18. Wanting what we voted for is demonizing him? Wanting Democratic principles to be upheld is bad?
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jan 2015

Wanting Obama to have been genuine in his Democratic values while campaigning, rather than the Obama saying, after he was elected again, "I was never comfortable portraying a populist."

He sure sounded comfortable, and we liked it!

The fact that he has let us down is why the party is hurting now. It isn't demonizing. It just is.

December 6, 2011
Invoking Teddy Roosevelt, Obama Finds His Voice


...Today, Obama gave his first considered response to O.W.S., and it was surprisingly positive. He even adopted some of the protestors’ language, saying:

“I believe that this country succeeds when everyone gets a fair shot, when everyone does their fair share, and when everyone plays by the same rules. Those aren’t Democratic or Republican values; 1% values or 99% values. They’re American values, and we have to reclaim them.”

Of course, Obama has talked before about rising inequality and falling tax burdens on the rich. (In the summer of 2010, he made a futile effort to rally support in Congress for ending the Bush tax cuts.) But what was new about today’s speech was the acuteness and depth of Obama’s analysis, and the way he turned it on the Republicans. Rising inequality isn’t only morally repugnant, he said, it is economically inefficient and damaging to the country.

In what was a long speech, here are what I consider to be the six nut grafs:

“Look at the statistics. In the last few decades, the average income of the top one percent has gone up by more than 250%, to $1.2 million per year. For the top one hundredth of one percent, the average income is now $27 million per year. The typical CEO who used to earn about 30 times more than his or her workers now earns 110 times more. And yet, over the last decade, the incomes of most Americans have actually fallen by about six percent.

“This kind of inequality—a level we haven’t seen since the Great Depression—hurts us all. When middle-class families can no longer afford to buy the goods and services that businesses are selling, it drags down the entire economy, from top to bottom. America was built on the idea of broad-based prosperity—that’s why a CEO like Henry Ford made it his mission to pay his workers enough so that they could buy the cars they made. It’s also why a recent study showed that countries with less inequality tend to have stronger and steadier economic growth over the long run.

“Inequality also distorts our democracy. It gives an outsized voice to the few who can afford high-priced lobbyists and unlimited campaign contributions, and runs the risk of selling out our democracy to the highest bidder. And it leaves everyone else rightly suspicious that the system in Washington is rigged against them—that our elected representatives aren’t looking out for the interests of most Americans.

“More fundamentally, this kind of gaping inequality gives lie to the promise at the very heart of America: that this is the place where you can make it if you try. We tell people that in this country, even if you’re born with nothing, hard work can get you into the middle class; and that your children will have the chance to do even better than you. That’s why immigrants from around the world flocked to our shores.

“And yet, over the last few decades, the rungs on the ladder of opportunity have grown farther and farther apart, and the middle class has shrunk. A few years after World War II, a child who was born into poverty had a slightly better than 50-50 chance of becoming middle class as an adult. By 1980, that chance fell to around 40%. And if the trend of rising inequality over the last few decades continues, it’s estimated that a child born today will only have a 1 in 3 chance of making it to the middle class.

“It’s heartbreaking enough that there are millions of working families in this country who are now forced to take their children to food banks for a decent meal. But the idea that those children might not have a chance to climb out of that situation and back into the middle class, no matter how hard they work? That’s inexcusable. It’s wrong. It flies in the face of everything we stand for.”

Maybe I’m wrong. But to me that seems like strong and cogent stuff. Doubtless, the Republicans will dismiss it as “class warfare.” That is largely because they don’t have anything more convincing to say. And anyway, Obama has already anticipated their response:

“It is wrong that in the United States of America, a teacher or a nurse or a construction worker who earns $50,000 should pay a higher tax rate than somebody pulling in $50 million. It is wrong for Warren Buffett’s secretary to pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett. And he agrees with me….

“This isn’t about class warfare. This is about the nation’s welfare. It’s about making choices that benefit not just the people who’ve done fantastically well over the last few decades, but that benefits the middle class, and those fighting to get to the middle class, and the economy as a whole.”...

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/invoking-teddy-roosevelt-obama-finds-his-voice




INdemo

(6,994 posts)
13. Obama also said in his 2012 campaign that Social Security and Medicare was off the table
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jan 2015

a far as Budget Negotiations.He said "as long as I am President SS cuts are off the table"Then shortly after taking office for a second term he back-peddled. Hillary would be no different because like Obama, she too is owned by Wall St.

Hillary may run for President but as she gains Wall St favors and funding she will lose the support of labor unions and the working class main street voters.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
15. That incident brightly illuminates my beef, and I dare says others', with BO and the BO
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jan 2015

apologists who argue that the Republicans are solely to blame for the rightward acceleration in the country.

My beef was never about what the President was ABLE to accomplish, by rather about those things he only PRETENDED to try to accomplish.

By now his feigned impotence is legendary. Back is 2008 I defended him against those allegations. But it didn't take long for me to spot the pattern.

This particular event coupled with more recent similar ones, illustrate a pattern of contempt for the left.

Ignoring the left would be bad, but at least it would be honest. But misleading them about his stances on issues to which he only pays lip service is wrong.

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