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Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:17 AM Jan 2015

Sara Palin's picture of her son could end it for her.

You know, there is a certain honesty about it, but it shows what she really is...an uncaring person. And it could end it for her among many people, perhaps a huge percentage. Why? Because people who really love animals/and dogs cross all party lines. While it may not hurt the dog, anyone who looks at it, would ask this simple question,

"What kind of parent allows a child to step on a dog?"

and Sara will have to answer that question, let alone the one about taking a picture and posting it. That is the second question.

And Sara will have to answer those questions the rest of her life.

..Good...Now among her fans, it won't matter..but, I believe she will have far fewer fans after this. It is so clear from looking at the picture, ...just looking.....what kind of person Sara really is...

Who would let their son step on top of an animal for what ever reason?...and if so....what kind of person takes a picture of it...????

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Sara Palin's picture of her son could end it for her. (Original Post) Stuart G Jan 2015 OP
If the dog had nipped at the kid she'd be posting a photo of the dead dog and her rifle. Vinca Jan 2015 #1
Yes, of course you are correct. Stuart G Jan 2015 #2
there are enough legitimate reasons to criticize her - this is just silly DrDan Jan 2015 #3
I have to disagree. IMHO the way you treat animals speaks more about character than anything. Vinca Jan 2015 #4
if that dog was being abused, it would be attempting to get up and move away DrDan Jan 2015 #5
even beaten dogs still fawn at the feet of their abusers. nt procon Jan 2015 #12
Some folks eager to hate are blinded by their own projections. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #39
yep - any little thing to express outrage DrDan Jan 2015 #64
Are you serious? avebury Jan 2015 #72
now we have a dead child . . . . DrDan Jan 2015 #73
You are just clueless and avebury Jan 2015 #74
sorry - I just cannot get into the hatred thing DrDan Jan 2015 #75
Not a dead child, a dead dog. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #84
the posts speculates on the dog reacting "against the child" resulting in a death DrDan Jan 2015 #98
Try again. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #101
whatever . . . DrDan Jan 2015 #107
It doesn't matter if the dog was hurt. Mariana Jan 2015 #63
the reaction here would be entirely different if it were not palin. DrDan Jan 2015 #65
I think you are 100% correct. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #77
Which is why if you read the posts on a similar picture posted by Ellen DeGeneres Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #85
I am a decent person. Don't jump to conclusions. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #76
"...would be attempting to get up and move away..." greiner3 Jan 2015 #68
that is a bit of a stretch, don't you think DrDan Jan 2015 #71
I disagree..here is why.. Stuart G Jan 2015 #6
I will reserve my outrage for her more outrageous stunts DrDan Jan 2015 #10
I'm sorry to defend Sarah Palin but I agree it's silly outrage, not animal abuse. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #38
I assume your kids are not learning disabled and Ilsa Jan 2015 #50
That's similar to what I said, Ilsa.. but, I didn't take a learning disability into.. Cha Jan 2015 #94
One very important reason I see for not letting your child step on a dog whether it's hurting the Cha Jan 2015 #91
this is pure insight into who palin the creep really is samsingh Jan 2015 #17
Not a dog lover, eh? justiceischeap Jan 2015 #33
not a dog hater or abuser . . . DrDan Jan 2015 #66
Hate is hate, democrat or republican. It's the fruit of ignorance and the root of wars. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #78
its a shame we can't rise above all the hate DrDan Jan 2015 #79
We can but people can't be forced. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #83
there is so much wisdom in Eleanor Roosevelt's thought: DrDan Jan 2015 #99
If somebody is not there to defend their point of view, or explain themselves, Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #100
The scariest thing in the world to look at is... FrodosPet Jan 2015 #105
No one I know..I certainly wouldn't. And, it's not because I "hate" Sarah Palin.. it's more like Cha Jan 2015 #97
Yes cwydro Jan 2015 #109
This is a child that is learning disabled and needs consistency Ilsa Jan 2015 #47
she deserves whatever criticism she gets BubbaFett Jan 2015 #108
thank you for making my point DrDan Jan 2015 #111
Palin made the point BubbaFett Jan 2015 #112
if an average person posted such a video Enrique Jan 2015 #7
You're talking about a women that shoots wolves from helicopters here. rgbecker Jan 2015 #8
I do...it seems odd...but some fans might just say...that is it.. Stuart G Jan 2015 #9
I never believed that she shot anything from a helicopter HipChick Jan 2015 #13
Well, she might have TRIED. maddiemom Jan 2015 #53
If it annoys liberals CJCRANE Jan 2015 #11
That's about it. trusty elf Jan 2015 #26
Is that your creation? Demit Jan 2015 #102
It is, yeah. trusty elf Jan 2015 #103
No thanks. Demit Jan 2015 #104
There was something more.... femmocrat Jan 2015 #14
She missed his hand sign for up. alphafemale Jan 2015 #36
Many parents teach their pre-verbal children sign language - Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #86
worse is she staged the pics. The dogs legs/body position are different in each picture. Sunlei Jan 2015 #15
+1 GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #31
There are also dogs trained for brace and balance Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #87
It is not just that the kid is doing this and the parent doesnt care, the kid is doing this and randys1 Jan 2015 #52
The kind of sled Todd races requires no dogs jmowreader Jan 2015 #70
I agree. Her action is dispicable. If one of my friends allowed one of their children to ,.... BlueJazz Jan 2015 #16
I would to. trumad Jan 2015 #22
What I think on this is simple.. It "could" reduce her stature among "some" of her base. Stuart G Jan 2015 #18
Probably not. This will just continue to widen the gulf between those who love her Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #42
strange as heck..nt Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #19
In case you forgot that woman cut funding malaise Jan 2015 #20
Putting a dog in a box on top of a car Gman Jan 2015 #21
Republicans accept such things. alphafemale Jan 2015 #34
I have said and will say again, put the republican candidate on live television, have randys1 Jan 2015 #54
Who knows.. he may have Cha Jan 2015 #92
Mitt and tying the dog to the roof. alphafemale Jan 2015 #23
People have short memories of people being abused, but they never forget animal abuse. The kind Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #25
Not just allowing a child to step on a dog, but somehow finding it inspirational. tanyev Jan 2015 #24
Alaska SPCA response JaneyVee Jan 2015 #27
Mat Su Animal Care and Regulation Octafish Jan 2015 #69
Puppy Jake's response (or lack thereof) is interesting Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #88
I expect a flood of video posts randr Jan 2015 #28
It's not only that it happened, but she thought it was "cute"!!!! George II Jan 2015 #29
Her fans Thespian2 Jan 2015 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #32
imagine what she will do to the dog when she blames it for her career slide. .. lame54 Jan 2015 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author alphafemale Jan 2015 #37
The GOP is still LiberalElite Jan 2015 #40
Radioactive waste... 3catwoman3 Jan 2015 #59
If that had been a picture from a few years ago when Sasha was little standing on Bo, the OUTRAGE Fla Dem Jan 2015 #41
You got it treestar Jan 2015 #44
Oh yeah. Cha Jan 2015 #93
Perfect metaphor for Republicans DBoon Jan 2015 #43
Am I wrong in thinking that this is symbolic OhZone Jan 2015 #45
Dream on - this isn't the end of Sarah Palin vlyons Jan 2015 #46
Her base are racist, cruel, gun-humping yokels. onehandle Jan 2015 #48
Let's hear it for... 3catwoman3 Jan 2015 #60
I would not be surprised if she said "Stay" as the child stepped up. John1956PA Jan 2015 #49
certainly didn't end it for Mittens PatrynXX Jan 2015 #51
More Jerry SPringer auditions from the Knuckledragging Palin Clan etherealtruth Jan 2015 #55
Nah, I doubt it sadly jdenver_2624 Jan 2015 #56
Trig alert Blue Owl Jan 2015 #57
Just as your misuse of a comma could end it all for you. randome Jan 2015 #58
Comma use and capitalization has been corrected...nt Stuart G Jan 2015 #61
RW fans say, "If the dog was hurt, he'd move", but that's not the point. TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #62
Worse..much worse. An absolute failure as a person Stuart G Jan 2015 #67
Well, that's one way to reach the sink. FrodosPet Jan 2015 #106
Agree, TG.. metaphor for not stepping all over people either. Something his mom could learn. Cha Jan 2015 #95
Mitt got pretty far. The dog on the car roof thing wasn't even a blip to his base. n/t djean111 Jan 2015 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jan 2015 #81
I was not aware that Sarah Palin still had a political career that could be ended Gothmog Jan 2015 #82
Stuart may be talking about her stint as a national grifter. Slowing down her lucrative speaking Cha Jan 2015 #96
The people who are paying to hear her speak will not care about animal cruelty Gothmog Jan 2015 #110
Right-wingers tend to view all animals as commodities and not sentient beings. bullwinkle428 Jan 2015 #89
Nah, it's a blip. Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #90
Hasn't it been over for her for a while? 6000eliot Jan 2015 #113
As far as animal abuse goes, this one is more revealing. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #114
Sara responded to PETA with an attack on Obama..yes she did Stuart G Jan 2015 #115

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
1. If the dog had nipped at the kid she'd be posting a photo of the dead dog and her rifle.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:20 AM
Jan 2015

She has no compassion for any living thing and is so ignorant she probably doesn't know the word.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
2. Yes, of course you are correct.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:25 AM
Jan 2015

But her picture defines your sentence....

"She has no compassion for any living thing and is so ignorant she probably doesn't know the word.".....

even among her fans, and there will be far few after this, the picture defines her, ... not her son.

She will have to answer the questions about the picture forever.......Good...

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
5. if that dog was being abused, it would be attempting to get up and move away
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:29 AM
Jan 2015

that dog seems quite content to me

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
39. Some folks eager to hate are blinded by their own projections.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jan 2015

I'm in agreement with your point of view.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
64. yep - any little thing to express outrage
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jan 2015

just silly to get upset about that picture. If Eliz. or Bernie had posted that picture, we would have all kinds of posts fawning over their love of dogs.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
72. Are you serious?
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jan 2015

No matter who posted pictures like this I would still be outraged. These pictures would make most animal lovers wonder what is being done to that dog that is not being posted on the web. The dog could easily be injured. The dog could just as easily reach the point of reacting out against the child (which most likely result in its death). Palin was the adult in the room and she failed to act like one. Just yet another example of how clueless she is.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
84. Not a dead child, a dead dog.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jan 2015

Dogs that bite are often euthanized as dangerous, even if they are biting in self defense.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
98. the posts speculates on the dog reacting "against the child" resulting in a death
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 06:32 AM
Jan 2015

I read that pretty clearly as the child's death . . .

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
101. Try again.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jan 2015
The dog could just as easily reach the point of reacting out against the child (which most likely result in its death).


Since a large percentage of dogs which bite (react out against) children are euthanized, and only a very small percentage of children bitten by dogs die from the bite, the context makes it pretty clear "its" refers to the dog, not the child.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
63. It doesn't matter if the dog was hurt.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jan 2015

That's not the point. The point is that any decent person doesn't stand by and let her kid stand on a dog. A decent person teaches her child that it's wrong to do that.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
85. Which is why if you read the posts on a similar picture posted by Ellen DeGeneres
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:39 PM
Jan 2015

they were all smiles and support.

NOT.

The reaction was nearly identically negative. Posting pictures which encourage as "cute" behavior which is actually dangerous (kids with their faces in animals' faces, kids pulling animals' tails or jowls, etc.) is not appropriate - regardless of who the person posting it is. And Ellen's post (incidentally not posted without advocating it, and the child was no one she was responsible for educating) earned the same negative reaction.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
76. I am a decent person. Don't jump to conclusions.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jan 2015

Everyone has jumped to the most horrifying and outrageous
conclusions. I taught my children to pay attention to their
choices and actions, and the consequences. I myself still
have body memory of my own little feet standing upon a
big strong dog, and how safe it felt.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
68. "...would be attempting to get up and move away..."
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jan 2015

"You end up like a dog that's been beat too much"

Bruce Springsteen 'Born in the U.S.A.'

Once that happens, beaten too much, an animal will just cower and slink into a corner because it knows if it attempts to escape, the beatings will be just that much harder.

Does this also apply to women and children who are abused too much and just lose the will to fight back?

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
6. I disagree..here is why..
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:30 AM
Jan 2015

Of course you are correct, this is kinda silly.. Is this a joke?

but this one, crosses all lines. ......everyone knows you do not let a child step on a dog..even if the dog accepts the stepping peacefully....

And, it doesn't matter what else has been said, about her stupidity...even if this happens, then you punish the child for possibly hurting the dog...everyone knows that, so he doesn't do it again.. not take a picture.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
10. I will reserve my outrage for her more outrageous stunts
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:37 AM
Jan 2015

that dog is not being injured - it would be trying to move away.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
38. I'm sorry to defend Sarah Palin but I agree it's silly outrage, not animal abuse.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jan 2015

My own children used to do this with our dear old dog
when they were small. The dog liked it. Like a wiggly
toe back massage.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
50. I assume your kids are not learning disabled and
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jan 2015

Could figure out eventually when it was no longer a good idea to do this sort of thing.

Learning disabled children need consistency in their training so they learn the right way. If he does this to another breed of dog, the results could be disastrous.

Cha

(297,188 posts)
91. One very important reason I see for not letting your child step on a dog whether it's hurting the
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 05:35 AM
Jan 2015

dog or not is because.. the child could think that's acceptable behavior for all dogs. One never knows the circumstances that could lead to that scenario.

My reaction would be to tell my kid that while it's not hurting said dog.. it's not really nice to be stepping all over him. That's just me.

But, I don't think this will be the "end of sarah palin" foisting her mean spirited self on our country.

samsingh

(17,595 posts)
17. this is pure insight into who palin the creep really is
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jan 2015

letting a kid stand on a dog is awful, dangerous, and cruel. it is not a good lesson for the kid to learn.
it is not about overcoming obstacles as some of palin's equally moronic followers replied on twitter. This is about a dysfunctional bunch of right wing fanatics who don't believe any rules ever apply to them. human decency is a four letter word to these people.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
33. Not a dog lover, eh?
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jan 2015

Just because the dog allows this kind of activity doesn't mean it should be encouraged or that people with enough sense shouldn't be outraged over it.

For example, I'd feel fairly safe wagering that a family dog that bit a child hadn't until it did. Just because the dog seems okay with it now, doesn't mean that he/she will be okay with it in the future. Plus, if the child steps in the wrong place, it could actually cause internal injuries.

Besides, who in their right mind, allows their kid to use a living being as a step stool while they stand there and take pictures of it, then later makes a devotional message of it?

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
66. not a dog hater or abuser . . .
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:28 PM
Jan 2015

not even a palin-hater. Life is too short.

Guess I will not be invited into this club either.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
78. Hate is hate, democrat or republican. It's the fruit of ignorance and the root of wars.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jan 2015

There is another club called Human and you're in.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
83. We can but people can't be forced.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:23 PM
Jan 2015

Easier to be self righteous and defensive, than to live an
examined life. Actually, it's not easier. It's much darker,
painful, full of woes that are everybody else's fault of
course.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
99. there is so much wisdom in Eleanor Roosevelt's thought:
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 06:39 AM
Jan 2015

Great minds discuss ideas;
average minds discuss events;
small minds discuss people.

I really try to avoid that last one . . .

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
100. If somebody is not there to defend their point of view, or explain themselves,
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jan 2015

I always feel it's unfair to talk about them. Some exceptions.

Cha

(297,188 posts)
97. No one I know..I certainly wouldn't. And, it's not because I "hate" Sarah Palin.. it's more like
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 05:56 AM
Jan 2015

using the common sense that Mama gave me.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
47. This is a child that is learning disabled and needs consistency
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jan 2015

in how to treat others, including pets. This is for the good of the child as well, so he doesn't mistakenly disturb a breed that is less child-friendly. Respect has to be taught to children, disabled or not, but it is particularly important in his case.

Not only has she gotten comments about the dog's welfare, but that of her child as well, and when the pics are posted online, she is inviting commentary.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
7. if an average person posted such a video
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jan 2015

I honestly think the overwhelming reaction would be "don't let your kids do this to your dog". Very few people would think it's cute.

I watch a lot of animal videos, and Sarah Palin's seems well out of the ordinary, even for Internet nobodies.

rgbecker

(4,831 posts)
8. You're talking about a women that shoots wolves from helicopters here.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jan 2015

I don't think any of her fans give a shit about stepping on dogs.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
9. I do...it seems odd...but some fans might just say...that is it..
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:36 AM
Jan 2015

Some fans may turn away..some...that is what I believe....Why? Hunting is one thing...this picture is and what it means, is totally different.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
53. Well, she might have TRIED.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jan 2015

Seriously everyone, this is NOT animal abuse (and I'm a life long animal lover and advocate). This is just Sarah being her usual, clueless self. Tomorrow would not be soon enough for her and her family to disappear from the public eye forever, as far as I'm concerned. Nonetheless, as I've opined on several other threads, this "outrage" is just plain silly and any knowledgeable or professional animal person would likely agree with me unless she's encouraging the kid to use the family pets as stepping stools on every possible occasion. The sort of people who adore Palin would hardly be put off by her considering this a cute picture. They will probably be too busy setting their own pets up for similar "cute pet pix" to submit to Salmon Chanted Evening or similar sites.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
11. If it annoys liberals
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:39 AM
Jan 2015

then that's good enough for the Tea Partiers.

If Tea Partiers punching themselves in the face annoyed liberals, then they'd punch themselves in the face. (Which is kind of what they're doing already in a metaphorical way).

trusty elf

(7,391 posts)
103. It is, yeah.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jan 2015

I hope it's not too graphic!

If you'd like to see some others, please have a look at my journal.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
104. No thanks.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jan 2015

I was curious b/c it looked like somebody put a lot of time into it & I wondered who would do that.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
14. There was something more....
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:53 AM
Jan 2015

That is the first picture I have seen of Trig since he was an infant at the convention. He is very cute.

But the tweet says something about she missed his sign for "up"---? Is he non-verbal? And was she not paying attention to him? If I can find the exact quote, I will post it.

Found it: an oblivious mama not acknowledging his signs for "up!" Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026032047

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
36. She missed his hand sign for up.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jan 2015

But interpreted his desire to get to the sink as a wanting to help with the dishes.

Or maybe he wanted a drink of water.

Maybe he wanted to splash and play in water.

Sarah Palin is an odd duck.


Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
86. Many parents teach their pre-verbal children sign language -
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jan 2015

One week a year, I care for a fair number of children of very liberal parents ages 0-3. In the past 10 years, I can't remember a single year in which I have not had at least one child who did not communicate primarily or exclusively by sign.

Kids (both able bodied and not) can often communicate with signs before they can speak - and giving them the tools to do so starts two-way communication earlier and with less frustration on the child's part that s/he cannot express their needs. This is actually something very positive Palin is doing with her son.

ETA: Here's a quick intro: http://www.babysignlanguage.com/

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. worse is she staged the pics. The dogs legs/body position are different in each picture.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:53 AM
Jan 2015

this is an expensive trained service dog. Poor dog is trained to tolerate pain and not react. Trained to down-stay and take whatever happens to it.

This child may jump on or grab his Fathers sled dogs or a 'strange dog' and be hurt badly.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
31. +1
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jan 2015

$40,000 in training and they use the animal as a stepping stool like they are the frickin' Flintstones.

There are over 90 common verbals commands for service dogs and none of them is "lay down so my 80 pound child can stand on your rib cage while attention-starved mommy takes pictures."

A service dog for mobility impairments:

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
87. There are also dogs trained for brace and balance
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:55 PM
Jan 2015

which are trained to bear a large part of their owner's weight for a short period of time while assisting their owner to either balance, or return to standing after a fall.

The BIG difference is that both dog and owner are trained in how to work together so the weight bearing is safe. The difference between how these dogs are trained, and having all of a child's weight concentrated on two small feet is pretty much like the difference between lying on top of two spikes, v. lying on a bed of spikes. The former is dangerous and extremely painful - and the latter distributes your weight so that, even if not comfortable, it can be done safely and without significant pain.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
52. It is not just that the kid is doing this and the parent doesnt care, the kid is doing this and
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jan 2015

the parent is such a terrible parent and irresponsible she is PROMOTING this abuse, she thinks this is cute.

Remember the stories of the war criminal, George W Bush as a child, he would torture animals, etc.

Rightwing mentality is dangerous, deadly and must be dealt with the same way you would a virus or a terrorist.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
70. The kind of sled Todd races requires no dogs
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jan 2015

Todd is a snowmobile racer, but you are correct - if Trig were to step on a Malamute there'd be an AP story about the Palin child being eaten by a dog.

As to the original assertion...no, this won't be the end of Sarah Palin. If she can shrug off genuine corruption charges (the hockey rink, and the reason her oldest son joined the army, come to mind) an "inspirational" screed about her kid standing on his service dog certainly won't damage her.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
16. I agree. Her action is dispicable. If one of my friends allowed one of their children to ,....
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:02 AM
Jan 2015

....stand on a pet, I'd hit the roof.
To anyone here that thinks "It's no big deal", Let that kid stand on your ribs and tell me "No big deal"

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
22. I would to.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jan 2015

If I saw a kid Trigs size and age stand on my dog---I have a standard Poodle--pretty big---I'd quickly get the kid off.

Those saying ---ahhh the Dog is Ok are idiots in mho.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
18. What I think on this is simple.. It "could" reduce her stature among "some" of her base.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jan 2015

Not me, or you, that is not what I am discussing here. We know she is a stupid self centered jerk. (apologies to jerks of the world)
It is among those who follow her that I am talking about. Some, may just abandon her for some other right wing fool who does not take pictures of her son stepping on a dog..

There will always be idiots who look up to her, but I believe this could reduce their number considerably. She will still appear on Fox News...but...she may not get a contract renewed..if enough of those viewers complain...and yes, there are many, many dog lovers who watch Fox News..that do not feel good about these pictures.

It may...and I don't know for sure...but it may take her down a few levels..(no I didn't think that was even possible)

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
42. Probably not. This will just continue to widen the gulf between those who love her
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jan 2015

and those who love to hate her.

malaise

(268,967 posts)
20. In case you forgot that woman cut funding
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jan 2015

the the Special Olympic athletes in Alaska

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2008/09/15/29186/palin-cut-funding-for-alaska-special-olympics/

<snip>
Campaigning in Colorado today, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) promised renewed attention to kids with special needs. She declared, “Ever since I took the chief executive’s job up North I pushed for more funding for students with special needs,” and cited her own family’s experience with the issue. Watch it:

It’s a stretch to say she “pushed” for any policy improvements. Though Palin did sign a law increasing special education funding in Alaska, “she had no role whatsoever” in its development, according to the bill’s author, Rep. Mike Hawker (R). Moreover, as governor, Palin vetoed $275,000 in Special Olympics Alaska funds (Page 100, SB 221 with vetoes), slashing the organization’s operating budget in half.

To call her uncaring is very kind.


To clarify, the documents show that Gov. Palin proposed cutting the Special Olympics budget in half. The actual budget as passed slightly increased Special Olympics funding, though by only half of what the organization had requested.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
21. Putting a dog in a box on top of a car
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jan 2015

didn't end it for Rmoney. We're talking Republicans here. They would vote for a mass murderer.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
34. Republicans accept such things.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jan 2015

They run extremist clowns for President.

The general public will nor accept extremist clowns.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
54. I have said and will say again, put the republican candidate on live television, have
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jan 2015

him shoot and kill someone, and they will still vote for that person over a liberal (you see no liberal will be running on our side, but they think Obama and Hillary are extreme left wing nut-job liberals) therefore a murderer is vastly superior in their minds.


Your average teapartier hates, with a passion, liberals.

Kind of the same way your average non liberal christian hates Gay people.




I say no liberal will be running, I hope I am wrong and Bernie or Liz are the nominee...one can hope

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
25. People have short memories of people being abused, but they never forget animal abuse. The kind
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:07 AM
Jan 2015

of mindset required to do such things is the thing only the cruelest of people would search for excuses for. People like the ones that booed a gay veteran speaking at your GOP meeting via video from Iraq, for example.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
88. Puppy Jake's response (or lack thereof) is interesting
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:02 AM
Jan 2015

They have officially remained silent, but they have apparently deleted negative posts and blocked posters who made them. Those posters are not waging a 1 star review campaign (since Puppy Jake can't block bad reviews).

I'm guessing they got in over their heads when they did not initially object to the Palin family stretching the truth wiht their name, and now they don't know how to recover. Their service dogs take 2 years to train (according to one of their main defenders - and that is consistent with the little I know about service dog training). Pretty sure the Palin's dog is less than 2 years old. And, according to the Puppy Jake site, as of yesterday, they have placed a single dog. NOT with the Palins. Their second dog begins placement "in a few weeks," also NOT with the Palins...

https://www.facebook.com/PuppyJakeFoundation/photos/a.456602031079897.1073741825.447380938668673/787121078027989/?type=1&theater

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
30. Her fans
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jan 2015

have to be as insufferably stupid as she is. I am a cat lover, but find the picture cruel and offensive as do at least 13,000 other people who responded to her page. Never mistreat an animal, especially a family pet.
When will Palin go away, never to be seen or heard again? Grifter, pure and simple.

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

lame54

(35,287 posts)
35. imagine what she will do to the dog when she blames it for her career slide. ..
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jan 2015

She'll mount it on her wall

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
40. The GOP is still
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jan 2015

around despite the media's unending declarations of its impending death. Palin will be the same. They won't go away, much like radioactive waste.

Fla Dem

(23,656 posts)
41. If that had been a picture from a few years ago when Sasha was little standing on Bo, the OUTRAGE
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jan 2015

would have been monumental. Calls for impeachment would be heard from one coast to the other. Sean Hannity would have all sorts of "experts" on his show to say "this just proves the Obama's are horrible parents". Or the metaphor would be "this is the same as Obama trampling on our constitutional rights". It would be a top news story for days, even weeks and would be used anytime in the future to degrade and diminish President Obama.

DBoon

(22,363 posts)
43. Perfect metaphor for Republicans
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jan 2015

Take a loyal, trained animal, use it as a stepping stool to get what you want, then blame the animal for being too stupid to get out of the way.

They treat a trained service dog just like they treat the rest of the country.

- It's all about me
- I will use and hurt you to get my way
- It's all your fault, so you deserve it

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
45. Am I wrong in thinking that this is symbolic
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jan 2015

of stepping on people to get what you want?

It's a perfect symbol for greedy Republicans.

Oh well.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
46. Dream on - this isn't the end of Sarah Palin
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jan 2015

She will continue to push herself forward as a Tparty favorite forever and ever amen. She cannot resist saying something hateful and mean about Obama and "libruls" in general, whenever a microphone is put before her month. She is a self-preening egoist and sociopath. So get used to her always elbowing her way into the limelight, always saying something stupid and illogical, always putting others down, always belittling the poor, the needy, and the educated. always chasing after $$$$$, and always promoting her religion as the only one that counts. The kindest most compassionate way to deal with Sarah Palin is to point out her greed and stupidity. She's a target-rich field for teaching about what's selfish and mean-spirited in American politics.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
48. Her base are racist, cruel, gun-humping yokels.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jan 2015

The Wasilla* Kardashians will continue to profit.


*My Mac tried to autocorrect Wasilla to Weasel.

Heh...


John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
49. I would not be surprised if she said "Stay" as the child stepped up.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jan 2015

As was pointed out upthread, the dog is in different positions in the two photographs, thus suggesting they were staged. Palin may have commanded the dog to stay down both times so that she could snap the photos.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
51. certainly didn't end it for Mittens
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jan 2015

and he did much worse. and he's the top polled choice for the next president way above Jeb bush

 

jdenver_2624

(50 posts)
56. Nah, I doubt it sadly
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jan 2015

There are plenty of people in this country who are foolish enough to vote for this stupid woman. This incident probably means nothing to them. In fact, I'm sure they are busy making jokes about this whole thing. Truly crass.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
58. Just as your misuse of a comma could end it all for you.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jan 2015

IOW, not really.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
62. RW fans say, "If the dog was hurt, he'd move", but that's not the point.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jan 2015

Though it's hard to see how a dog could be comfortable with 50 plus pounds on his back, the point is that you teach a child to treat a dog with respect, and consider its needs and comfort, it's not an inanimate object or step-stool. She's an absolute failure at both parenting and pet ownership.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
67. Worse..much worse. An absolute failure as a person
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jan 2015

No person with any kind of character or even a little, yes even a little sensitivity, would post something like that. Not only for her son, or for people that have and love dogs and other animals, but also as an example of the correct thing to do. The country does not need any more examples of people abusing others or animals. It is not OK. It is not cute. It is not something to be proud of. I am sure there are Tea Party people who can see through this to the real abuse. Those people will not post on any boards. They will slowly rethink what kind of people lead their movement. You won't hear about it here or anywhere. But some will drop Palin as any kind of example to follow.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
106. Well, that's one way to reach the sink.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jan 2015
https://www.facebook.com/ellentv/photos/a.182755292239.124686.26012002239/10152602026212240/

Not at all a fan of Palin, but perhaps we shouldn't hammer on her too much, considering a progressive hero did the EXACT same thing last July.

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Gothmog

(145,168 posts)
82. I was not aware that Sarah Palin still had a political career that could be ended
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jan 2015

I was under the strong belief that Palin had no political aspirations or career left. I will be shocked if Palin's name ever appeared on a ballot in the foreseeable future

Cha

(297,188 posts)
96. Stuart may be talking about her stint as a national grifter. Slowing down her lucrative speaking
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 05:53 AM
Jan 2015

engagements.

Gothmog

(145,168 posts)
110. The people who are paying to hear her speak will not care about animal cruelty
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jan 2015

This incident will have no effect on the idiots who still pay to hear her speak. Palin's popularity with these idiots will not be affected by animal cruelty. Palin however has no political career left and will never appear on a real ballot

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
89. Right-wingers tend to view all animals as commodities and not sentient beings.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:25 AM
Jan 2015

I've seen this attitude displayed on message boards on many occasions, and also in person by people here in Iowa that live in rural settings in particular.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
115. Sara responded to PETA with an attack on Obama..yes she did
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jan 2015
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/palin-peta-dog-controversy--

Here is her response ...from Talking Points Memo:

"Chill. At least Trig didn’t eat the dog," Palin wrote in an open letter to PETA on Facebook. "Did you go as crazy when your heroic Man-of-Your-Lifetime, Barack Obama, revealed he actually enjoyed eating dead dog meat?"

she also said this:

"Aren’t you the same anti-beef screamers blogging hate from your comfy leather office chairs, wrapped in your fashionable leather belts above your kickin’ new leather pumps you bought because your celebrity idols (who sport fur and crocodile purses) grinned in a tabloid wearing the exact same Louboutins exiting sleek cowhide covered limo seats on their way to some liberal fundraiser shindig at some sushi bar that features poor dead smelly roe (that I used to strip from our Bristol Bay-caught fish, and in a Dillingham cannery I packed those castoff fish eggs for you while laughing with co-workers about the suckers paying absurdly high prices to party with the throw away parts of our wild seafood)? I believe you call those discarded funky eggs “caviar”.
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