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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:24 AM Jan 2015

"A hawk cannot become a dove, nor can a friend of Wall Street become a foe."



(Truthdig) It’s not often that name recognition is a bad thing. But from a marketing standpoint, Hillary Clinton is stuck in a rut.

Like Coca-Cola or McDonald’s, her name is known worldwide. But it’s doubtful that either of those brands would, like Hillary, consistently register unfavorability ratings among American consumers in the range of 40 percent.

When familiar entities unveil new products, shoppers are notoriously discerning. Diet Coke worked, but Vanilla Coke flopped.

But when a politician suddenly adopts a new position, voters can be even more skeptical. A hawk cannot become a dove, nor can a friend of Wall Street become a foe.

Hillary’s core problem, in other words, is that she’s simply too familiar to American voters, who after two terms of one leader tend to want something “new.” And there’s very little she can do to reposition herself in the marketplace. ............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_devil_you_know_20141230



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"A hawk cannot become a dove, nor can a friend of Wall Street become a foe." (Original Post) marmar Jan 2015 OP
Yet, she's polling pretty well against every possible candidate in both parties. JaneyVee Jan 2015 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #2
No it can't... daleanime Jan 2015 #3
But a Republican can become a Democrat? brooklynite Jan 2015 #4
They do it all the time. They are called new dems, conservadems, blue dogs. Autumn Jan 2015 #6
...or Elizabeth Warren. brooklynite Jan 2015 #8
No she's a registered Democrat, not a republican registered as a democrat to get votes and Autumn Jan 2015 #10
...who WAS A Republican in the 80s... brooklynite Jan 2015 #11
No, "A hawk cannot become a dove, nor can a friend of Wall Street become a foe is the Autumn Jan 2015 #13
She was a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN in Pennsylvania in the NINETIES....! MADem Jan 2015 #14
The argument of the OP is that it's impossible to change. AlbertCat Jan 2015 #22
She's the ultimate "Not as Bad" candidate offering a glittering new version of "More of the Same". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #5
All hawks and friends of Wall Street... 99Forever Jan 2015 #7
The people's interests aren't represented in DC & won't be if Hillary is elected RiverLover Jan 2015 #9
Of course..."the people" get to make up their own minds. brooklynite Jan 2015 #12
An "inconvenient truth," it seems. cheapdate Jan 2015 #24
I don't think it's familiarity that's breeding contempt here. It's her votes for the wars, it's her DesertDiamond Jan 2015 #15
Demanding change, Americans forced to choose between Clinton and Bush. whereisjustice Jan 2015 #16
Thank you for that. AlbertCat Jan 2015 #23
I call bullshit - people CAN change their fundamental beliefs groundloop Jan 2015 #17
Old aphorisms are sometimes wrong. cheapdate Jan 2015 #25
Non-Choice jalan48 Jan 2015 #18
Can a Reaganomics-supporting Republican become a progressive Democrat? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #19
du rec. xchrom Jan 2015 #20
Transmutation of species has nothing to do with politics. cheapdate Jan 2015 #21

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Autumn

(45,091 posts)
6. They do it all the time. They are called new dems, conservadems, blue dogs.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jan 2015

They are moderate republicans.

Autumn

(45,091 posts)
10. No she's a registered Democrat, not a republican registered as a democrat to get votes and
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jan 2015

still holding tight to their conservative values. She talks the talk and walks the walk. There is a difference

Autumn

(45,091 posts)
13. No, "A hawk cannot become a dove, nor can a friend of Wall Street become a foe is the
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jan 2015

point of the OP. And Hillary is exactly that, a friend of wall Street and a Hawk. Hillary doesn't want to change those traits. You are the one who made it about republicans becoming democrats.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. She was a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN in Pennsylvania in the NINETIES....!
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jan 2015

Oh, those inconvenient truths!!!

I love these "Can't trust THAT ONE, they said 'x' a zillion years ago, so THEY will NEVER CHANGE..." arguments, particularly when they're turned on their heads!

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
22. The argument of the OP is that it's impossible to change.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jan 2015

Actually, The argument of the OP is that it's impossible (actually it's rather difficult, but not impossible) to change the American public's 1st impression of you.

BTW.... Elizabeth Warren's 1st impression to the American Public was not that she was a Repug in the 90's, even tho' she might have been registered as such.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
9. The people's interests aren't represented in DC & won't be if Hillary is elected
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jan 2015
The fact is, the people’s interests aren’t being represented in Washington and they won’t be if Hillary Clinton is elected. Her record is clear. She’s an ardent proponent of trade agreements; she’s consistently supported the interests of Wall Street over Main Street; she’s been hawkish on foreign policy; weak on civil protections; hawkish on the deficit (until very recently) and mum on many other issues that demand a progressive advocate.

Yes, she’s beginning to veer to the left in preparation for the primaries, but haven’t we had enough of this?

Wouldn’t it be interesting to see a candidate who actually represented the peoples’ interests tackle the usual corporatists who win the Democratic nominations? Not to mention the sycophantic Republicans who so obviously dance to the tunes of the likes of Addelson, the Koch Brothers and Wall Street?

The fact is we can wage and win a war for a progressive candidate, and we have potential candidates who speak for the people. Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, the Progressive Congressional Caucus – each offers common sense and popular alternatives to the corrosive forces of corporatism that is eroding our Democracy.

Corporate money can trump everything but the vote. In the age of the Internet, we can take over this Party. We can raise our own money and turn out our own candidates. We can bypass the bought and paid for media and reach people directly with a message they are dying to hear....

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/04/17/hillary-clinton-and-future-failure-progressive-hope-and-change

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
12. Of course..."the people" get to make up their own minds.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jan 2015

Based on her performance in 2008 and her polling today, a lot of "people" seem to support her.

DesertDiamond

(1,616 posts)
15. I don't think it's familiarity that's breeding contempt here. It's her votes for the wars, it's her
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jan 2015

buddying up to Wall Street, and for me, worst of all, it's her prayer breakfasts with the Dominionists -- who, for those who don't know, are mega-wealthy, powerful, and determined to force this country to be ruled by their version of Christianity. I don't think needing someone new is the issue. Just need someone whose efforts support the principle of "by the people, for the people," and not for war profiteers and theocracy.

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
17. I call bullshit - people CAN change their fundamental beliefs
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jan 2015

Don't tell me it's not true because I myself have changed drastically as I've grown and matured. Is someone going to tell me I can't possibly be a liberal because I used to associate with homophobic racists?

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
25. Old aphorisms are sometimes wrong.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jan 2015

"You can't teach an old dog new tricks" is the old wisdom. It's wrong. People who study human behavior, growth, and cognitive development have found that people continue to change throughout their lives. People continue to change, develop new interests and perspectives all the way through old age.

Old aphorisms are sometimes wrong.

jalan48

(13,867 posts)
18. Non-Choice
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jan 2015

The power structure will make sure the final two candidates are vetted and approved. No candidate that advocates raising the minimum wage to at least $15/hr. will get there. The same with finance reform, opposition to TPP-like trade agreements , the national security state, the military budget, etc. There will be "talk" around these issues but it will quickly turn to social issues, the police, or whether or not Hillary has had plastic surgery.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
21. Transmutation of species has nothing to do with politics.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jan 2015

The 2016 election will be a contest between a conventional Democrat and a conventional Republican. Hillary Clinton is not a brick-throwing radical. She's a widely respected and popular conventional politician with both liberal and conservative leanings. Ordinary Americans and regular Democratic voters will turn out in large numbers to vote for her, if she runs.

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