Saudi Arabia under fire after woman is publicly beheaded

[oberliner]

Saudi Arabia has publicly beheaded a Burmese woman in the city of Mecca, sparking fresh condemnation of the country’s human rights record after a recent surge in executions.

Footage of the execution, which was briefly available on the internet before being taken down, showed Layla bint Abdul Mutaleb Bassim being dragged into what appeared to be a car park, screaming “I did not kill” repeatedly. Held down by four police officers, she was then beheaded with three blows of a sword.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article4324517.ece

[QC]

1. STOP MOCKING THEM!!!11!!

Their sincere, deeply-held beliefs require this!

[HappyMe]

11. We have the death penalty here also.

[QC]

16. Normally, I am opposed to the death penalty, but

in this case it's ok, because someone's deeply held, sincere religious beliefs require that screaming women be dragged into parking lots and have their heads hacked off, so I can't say anything, lest I be seen to engage in mockery.

[HappyMe]

17. Of course what happened to this woman is horrifying.

You can mock whatever you want. I was just pointing out that we kill people for crimes too. I think the bigger discussion is about the death penalty.

[QC]

19. I totally agree with you, just snarking at this silly idea,

now all the rage around here, that bad religious ideas are for some reason immune to criticism.

I agree that the real issue is judicial homicide, and the woman in the video had a far quicker death than she would have gotten in this country.

[malaise]

30. Precisely

Did the UK condemn the execution of a Vietnam Vet this week?

[Bandit]

52. Only in a very few backward states..

[lsewpershad]

23. They are also our friends.

[QC]

26. They have something we want.

Therefore we politely avert our gazes when they do bad things.

[Liberal_in_LA]

28. exactly

[BainsBane]

43. Nah, I'll mock people who can't distinguish

Impoverished Algerian immigrants in France from the Saudi government. Poor benighted Americans. Their schools are so bad, they can't find their way from one continent to another on a map.

[Warren Stupidity]

63. Where is the Hedbo cartoon mocking algerian immigrants?

[BainsBane]

70. Who do you think the Muslims in France are?

[Warren Stupidity]

73. Ah, just as I thought. There was no "punching down" at algerian immigrants.

Have you considered why you are defending right wing homophobic misogynist religious nuts?

[Glimmer of Hope]

2. She was convictedd of the rape and murder of her six year old stepdaughter?

[giftedgirl77]

3. Yep, that's what the article says....

[melman]

9. What do you think the chances are she received a fair trial?

Maybe somewhere around zero?

[Glimmer of Hope]

15. That was my first thought. I Googled and couldn't find any details.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

27. Is it more likely her husband did it? but women are 2nd class citizens there and she is

scapegoat?

IDK

But the world has gone mad

[Skittles]

46. a woman, in Saudi Arabia? ZERO

[TwilightGardener]

4. It's like they're trolling the rest of the world with this shit.

[Rhinodawg]

5. Ultimate WARNING !!! THIS IS HORRIFYING.

THESE PEOPLE ARE FU*KING SICK !!!

[nationalize the fed]

8. What

did you do today at work Daddy?

Oh, just sliced some woman's head off. Took 3 whacks. I must remember to charge extra. Would you like to come to work with Daddy one day?

Meanwhile, in America

[SidDithers]

12. Green for victory!!...

A thread about Saudi barbarism, and you try to make it about Hillary.



Sid

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. Hillary has made it about Hillary, claiming women's rights victories as Secretary of State, while women worldwide have LESS rights & are being raped & murdered in record numbers.

[packman]

13. Quick-

Someone post that picture of G. Bush kissing and holding hands with that Saudi prince .

[napkinz]

22. and we embrace this country as an "ally" ... disgusting

[CanonRay]

61. These pics are going to be really embarrasing

if the full 9-11 report ever comes out.

[Fred Sanders]

18. Handsome couple, who is the man?

[Jesus Malverde]

36. Ultimate WARNING !!! THIS IS HORRIFYING.

Sick sick sick

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3fe_1421494996

Brave woman, she went out fighting.

[jmowreader]

47. Try this one instead

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/woman-beheaded-in-saudi-arabia1.mp4

DEFINITELY some sick shit.

[Demit]

54. Why would you post it?

[Rhinodawg]

56. Because words cannot do justice to this outrage.

[Demit]

67. I think people can be outraged without the visual.

The mental image that words provide work quite well. If you still have the desire to watch, you are a voyeur.

[dawg]

6. Barbaric.

But we execute convicted murderers too.

Both of our countries are in the wrong.

[Newest Reality]

7. +1

The means of execution may grab people's attention, but the ethical problem of the death penalty is the main issue.

Though that video was stark and graphic, her death was quick, unlike the many botched executions here where the "victim" can suffer in agony over a prolonged period.

[Fred Sanders]

10. Almost as barbaric as injecting a child murderer in America with a mixture of poisons and then

watch him die in agony over the course of two hours? At least there is no video in the public eye.

There's is a lot of barbarism in theocratic and dictatorial Saudi Arabia, like flogging a blogger in public weekly, but inhumane execution of a murderer is the wrong one to focus all the outrage on.

The car park dragging seems strange and barbaric as well as the oublic nature, it is state terrorism, using fear this way is barbaric.

[oberliner]

25. Execution of a murderer?

Did you know there are no jury trials in Saudi Arabia?

Did you know that in criminal trials women's testimony is not allowed at all?

[Fred Sanders]

29. Saudi Arabia is an evil empire, I am sure their Justice system sucks, but I have not looked into

into whether this case was a wrongful conviction or not.

[davidn3600]

33. We execute more people than Saudi Arabia

And we jail more people than anyone in the world...far more than anyone in the world.

If we criticize a country's human rights record, they have plenty of ammo to throw back at us.

[Desert805]

38. that is false.

stats from wikipedia:


Amnesty International counted a minimum of 79 in 2013.[2] Foreigners are not exempt, accounting for "almost half" of executions in 2013.[2] In fact, there are many foreigners (especially those from the developing world) who are routinely executed mainly for drug smuggling and murder. There has not been any report of a Western national being executed in the recent history of Saudi Arabia.[3]


In 2013, 39 inmates were executed in the United States,[2]

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

42. But....but...but America bad!

Or something.

[oberliner]

41. Rape victims can be charged with crimes in Saudi Arabia

..for leaving the house without a male companion, for being alone with an unrelated man, etc.

When the teenager went to the police a few months ago to report she was gang-raped by seven men, she never imagined the judge would punish her _ and that she would be sentenced to more lashes than one of her alleged rapists received.

...

In the case of the Girl of Qatif, she was sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married _ a crime in this strictly segregated country _ at the time that she was allegedly attacked and raped by a group of other men.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/21/AR2006112100967.html

[cwydro]

40. Never mind that.

We have to respect the fact that their religion denies any female basic human rights.

See?

[840high]

31. The creep you speak of

raped an 11 month old - I hope he suffered and continues to suffer in hell.

[Fred Sanders]

32. Very Christian of you. Have you looked up employment opportunities in Saudi, in corrections?

[840high]

35. I think you would fit there better. If

you object to a monster's death. Good night.

[Bonobo]

58. +1 nt

[KG]

14. by all means, sell them more jet fighters...

[whatchamacallit]

20. I know, so much more barbaric than

a child's head being ripped from their body in a hellfire missile explosion...

[Iggo]

21. Our noble allies in the war against terror.

[Rex]

24. So why do we love Saudi Arabia and hate North Korea?

I'm beginning not to see any real difference in the two countries.

[daleo]

34. One is plugged into the system of global capitalism

The other isn't. That excuses the first one of just about anything, and condemns the second for just about anything.

[beam me up scottie]

37. What the hell is wrong with some people?

When confronted with something this fucking atrocious their only response is "So what? The US does bad stuff too" ?

[Desert805]

39. it's insane.

holy moly.

[Rhinodawg]

45. These are not normal people.

[Ramses]

44. SA is a totalitalitarian hellhole

And the US is good buddies with the House of Saud.

[ChosenUnWisely]

48. Folks is all upset over the method the the State utilized not that the state murdered someone

The Problem is Government killing those convicted of crimes not the method.

What Saudi Arabia did was no different then what Oklahoma did last week, both utilized the power of the state to murder someone.

Folks anger is very misdirected on this.

[oberliner]

50. "What Saudi Arabia did was no different then what Oklahoma did last week.."

Definitely not true.

There are no jury trials in Saudi Arabia.

In Saudi Arabian criminal trials women's testimony is not allowed at all.

[davidn3600]

59. So your problem is how the trial was conducted and not the execution itself?

Im confused.

[oberliner]

60. Everything about it disgusts me

From trying and convicting a woman to the death penalty without allowing her or any other female to testify, under a justice system that is notoriously unjust towards women. To conducting a public town-square style execution - with the woman screaming her innocence - in such a brutal and graphic manner.

[ChosenUnWisely]

65. Yet you seem OK with the state murdering its citizens as long as there is a 'fair' trial with

execution behind closed doors.

OK got it, Thanks.

[oberliner]

66. Not true

I am opposed to that also. But doing so under the circumstances I've outlined here is even worse.

[reorg]

49. Man arrested for filming execution in Saudi

Man arrested for filming execution in Saudi

Man will face charges in a military court as well as in a Shariah court for the crime

By: Habib Toumi, Bureau Chief
Published: 17:38 January 17, 2015
Gulf News

Manama: Police in the western Saudi city of Makkah have arrested a policeman for filming secretly the public execution of a Burmese woman.

The policeman was among the staff assigned with the preparations for the execution in Makkah, Okaz news site reported on Saturday.

The suspect, who was not named, will face charges in a military court as well as in a Shariah court for his act, the daily added.

He will be referred to the courts following the completion of the investigation by the public prosecution.

On Wednesday, a human rights group called for taking action against whoever filmed the execution of the woman and posted on social networks, arguing that it was a breach of privacy rights.

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/man-arrested-for-filming-execution-in-saudi-1.1442657

[Jesus Malverde]

51. F them

They create a middle ages society while the ruling class lives in paris, london, LA and monaco.

Release the 28 pages.

[CanonRay]

62. Exactly

they are barbarians.

[Vinca]

53. Which is worse?An hours long American execution or a swift beheading?

Both horrible, of course, but 3 whacks with a sword seems more humane than what happens to some prisoners strapped down on a gurney and injected with who knows what in this country.

[oberliner]

55. In Saudi Arabian criminal trials women's testimony is not allowed at all.

That seems a critical difference.

[Fred Sanders]

64. Did my answer not satisfy you?

[oberliner]

68. Very much so

Great points raised.

[Fred Sanders]

69. We are not really that far apart in the majority of our thinking.

[Vinca]

71. The discussion is about penalty, not process.

In any case, I wish we'd stop the kissy face with the Saudi royal family.

[oberliner]

72. Penalty is even more egregious when you know the process

It's bad enough for someone to receive the death penalty after a jury trial where testimony from both and males and females is permitted.

It's even worse for someone to received the death penalty under the circumstances of the sham misogynistic Saudi legal system where that is not the case.