White survivalist shoots black police chief four times without being arrested or charged

[Bjorn Against]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/01/17/3612884/white-survivalist-shoots-police-chief-no-charges/

White ‘Survivalist’ Shoots Police Chief Four Times, Is Released Without Being Arrested Or Charged
BY JUDD LEGUM POSTED ON JANUARY 17, 2015 AT 2:28 PM

In Oklahoma, a white “survivalist” shot a police chief three times in the chest and once in the arm. The shooting did not result in an arrest or charges and the man, identified by local media as 29-year-old Dallas Horton, has been released.

In a press release, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation said, “Facts surrounding the case lead agents to believe the man was unaware it was officers who made entry.” But Louis Ross, the Sentinel, Oklahoma police chief who was shot, said that he entered the home after “Washita County 911 received two calls from a man who identified himself as Dallas Horton, and claimed to have a bomb inside the head start school.”

Ross cast doubt on the credibility of Horton’s claim that he didn’t know officers were present, noting that there was “screaming from five officers of the law announcing our presence, requesting to see hands.” Ross only survived the shooting because he was wearing a bulletproof vest. He has “massive bruises and welts on his body” and the shot that hit his arm “went clean through.”

[malaise]

1. Well you did state the reason

White ‘Survivalist’

[bravenak]

2. He was attacked by that DEMON!!

A bomb at the Head Start? Wtf?

[pinboy3niner]

3. The demon was CHARGING at him! nt

[brer cat]

5. With his hand going to his waistband, no doubt. nt

[daleanime]

13. And he was big.....

[freshwest]

47. A bomb at the NAACP, at the church in Birmingham, at Dem campaign offices...

Nothing to see here, business as usual in The Twilight Zone...

Glad the guy is going to make it and hope there will be charges for THE ATTEMPTED MURDER OF A POLICEMAN.

BTW, where is the NYPD union Lynch while this is being swept under the rug of WP? Shouldn't Lynch be desperately worried about this attack clearly aimed at LEOs? And that was only foiled by body armor?

Somebody send RWNJ Lynch an invitation to OK. to talk about how his RWNJ buddies (like the white survivalist) has got blood on his hands.

(I won't hold my breath, though)

[bravenak]

51. Lynch and the others should be protesting.

They should be saying 'hands up, don't shoot!' I don't think they care too much otherwise they'd be using it for attention.

[freshwest]

55. Would Lynch protest Head Start centers with children being targeted for bombing?

Oh, yeah, that's right. It's one of the agencies for which Obama increased the funding. Allegedly attended by poors, disabled kids and minorities. *lightbulb*

[brer cat]

4. WTH

You would think someone in a school with a bomb wouldn't be cut any slack. Isn't white privilege grand??

[linuxman]

24. I know!

It's almost as if they have reason to believe he didn't do it!

Nah, it's because he's white.

[ND-Dem]

6. I'm not even clear what happened. The guy was at a headstart with a bomb, killed police, and is

getting away with it?

[linuxman]

20. No, he was at home.

He's "getting away with it" because he shot and wounded an officer who in all likelihood was participating in one of those oh so awesome "no knock" raids, where it is near impossible for someone on the recieving end to tell who is coming through the door. Based on the information in the story, he didn't call the cops, but was "SWATed" by someone else.

[Journeyman]

7. In fairness, if a POC "survivalist" shot at white officers, he probably wouldn't be arrested either…

they'd just call the morgue for him.

[F4lconF16]

14. +1

[Man from Pickens]

8. Sounds like a SWATing victim

Him being white or a survivalist and the cop being black doesn't change the equation.

The problem here is that a prank caller can get a gang of heavily armed cops to do an early morning ambush assault against an unsuspecting victim, and the cops don't do due diligence before assuming that a paramilitary raid is necessary.

If you're defending the cops you're on the wrong side of this. If there was the slightest thing they could nail this guy on, believe you me they would have done it.

[Bjorn Against]

9. The point is not about defending the cops

Maybe the cops did handle the situation poorly, but can you name me even one case in which a black man shot a cop and was not arrested or killed for doing so?

[Man from Pickens]

16. Is your problem here they didn't murder him?

Sure sounds like that. They did arrest him - read the story - but they had nothing to back it up, so they released him.

[Bjorn Against]

17. Is your problem that you like to ask absurd questions instead of answer real ones?

To answer your ridiculous question, no I don't wish anyone was murdered nor did I say anything to even remotely suggest such a thing.

Why don't you answer the question which you ignored earlier? Can you name a single case in which a black man shot a cop and was not killed or arrested?

[Man from Pickens]

21. Who keeps track of that?

You ask a question for which you know there is no way to determine the answer, and then take affront that it's not answered?

Why would you even ask that question unless your preference was to have this man murdered by the cops?

[Bjorn Against]

23. If there were such a case it would be pretty easy to find it with Google

Google does not work real well when it comes to finding stories that don't exist, but it makes finding real stories pretty easy. The reason you can't find such a story is because when a black person shoots a cop they are either killed or arrested.

And no, pointing that out does not mean that I think they should be murdered, you look absolutely ridiculous even suggesting such a thing.

[Man from Pickens]

25. My Google-fu trumps your erroneous assumptions

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/05/us/new-york-officers-shot/index.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-officer-shot-in-englewood-20141007-story.html

Found some with Hispanic suspects too, also taken into custody rather than killed.

And note in these cases, none of these suspects were in their own homes getting raided at 6am on the basis of an unverified phone call.

I trust this is enough evidence to cause you to revise your point of view.

[Bjorn Against]

27. Both of those links say the suspects were arrested

I asked you if you could find me a single case in which a black man was not killed or arrested, both of the cases you cited show the suspect was arrested. You have not found a case similar to the one in the OP in which the shooter was not even arrested.

[Man from Pickens]

32. This shooter was arrested

can't have the guy released if he was never arrested

Really now, you're grasping at smaller and smaller straws here. Give it up. I feel like I'm arguing with a right wing nut throwing spaghetti at the wall to try and conjure up justifications for killing Michael Brown or Eric Garner.

[Bjorn Against]

35. Now you are claiming that I am trying to justify the murders of Brown and Garner?

You are straight up lying in this thread. I never said anything to justify the murders of Brown and Wilson, in fact I have been in the streets protesting those murders.

Quit lying about my position, I never justified a single murder.

The headline of the article says this guy was never arrested.

[Man from Pickens]

38. No way any reasonable person could read it as anything but

Tangents aside, it takes one click through to the source article to see that the headline is in error - due diligence 101.

You don't even have to go that far to figure out that if someone is released, an arrest is a prerequisite for that. Complaining that someone who committed no crime wasn't arrested isn't a terribly good angle to pursue, anyway. No crime committed = innocent man = no grounds for arrest. Which is the exact same thing I hate to tell right-wing nuts over and over about Eric Garner, that "resisting arrest" is a bullshit reason to have used violence on him, when there was no justification to make an arrest in the first place.

[Bjorn Against]

39. Last time I checked shooting a cop was a crime

[Bandit]

56. "The shooting did not result in an arrest or charges and the man,"

Did you even read the OP?

[onethatcares]

10. no one is defending the cops,

what is being put forward is: If a black or person of color would have been the victim of a "prank caller" and that person would have drawn down against the police, that person would be DEAD, ONE HUNDRED BULLET WOUNDS TO THE BODY MASS DEAD. there would have been no bail granted, nor would that person of color been able to go home.

BTW, how do you know about a"prank caller"?

[Man from Pickens]

15. Read the source

"Friday afternoon an OSBI computer analyst determined calls to 911 did not come from Horton's home."

Also, it's pretty darn obvious from the details given that only a suicidal person would call in a bomb threat and ID himself inviting a SWAT raid, then hang out at his home to wait for it to happen.

[onethatcares]

41. I've read the link in the OP 6x

I haven't been able to find the "Friday afternoon..................." part.

Is there another link somewhere else?

[Man from Pickens]

48. Linked story

http://www.news9.com/story/27873087/sentinel-police-chief-speaks-out-about-shooting

see bottom

[Fred Sanders]

11. Put a turban and a beard on him and you would have national panic led by the media. Or another

Duck Dynasty character who doubles as a "terrorism expert" on Fox Spews.

Hard to tell until you see get down to the skin.

[world wide wally]

12. He must be a friend of George Zimmerman

[linuxman]

18. So,

What should have happened to him?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

33. If he were black? Shoot him for overdue library books.

[linuxman]

42. Didn't really answer my question

in any way, shape, or form.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. You mean you couldn't think of ANYTHING to charge him with?

[linuxman]

46. Why would you be looking for reasons to charge him with anything?

He did nothing illegal before the cops arrived, then defended himself against intruders who knocked his door in. Such is the risk of no-knock raids. Sometimes you get the wrong house. Sometimes the people who get raided are the victims of set ups like this guy seems to be. Such people have no expectation of police kicking in their doors, and therefore are more inclined to defend their selves from intruders, regardless of who they claim to be. After all, who would be kicking your door in if you hadn't done anything wrong?

Seems you're all hopped up about getting this guy thrown in jail, yet you have no concern about over-aggressive and irresponsibly policing. Very telling.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

49. Congrats, now flip that for nearly every time a cop does that to a black guy.

[AleksS]

19. But I thought the only option

But I thought the only option police had when someone made a vaguely frightening gesture in their direction (much less actually fires a gun at them) was to just unload on the person until that person is super-ultra-dead?

That's what the right wingers insisted in re: Mike Brown, isn't it?

The right wing party line, as far as I remember, was that if you make a policeman feel a little bit scared, then they have no option but to shoot you as many times as it takes to make you super-ultra-mega-dead.

This case boggles my mind. The police should be brought up on charges, since they obviously didn't follow "shoot anyone that intimidates you until you run out of bullets" procedure that our right wing friends insisted was the only option.

Ooooooorrrrrr, maybe, just maybe the police have options other than overwhelming lethal force? And every situation doesn't have to be resolved in a fatality?

(There's a bunch of in there. I'll leave it as an eercise for the reader to figure out where it's hiding.)

[ncjustice80]

40. Jokes aside, why arent the officers charged with breaking and entering

Now that it is clear they went to a false call?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

44. I've often thought, "Disturbing the Peace" would be apropos.

[linuxman]

22. How it happened in the heads of some thread participants:

Man plants bomb in headstart, then calls the cops from somewhere he isn't, all to get the cops to raid him in his home.

Cops raid house

Man in house shoots and wounds black cop on entry team.

Remaining cops see that the shooter is white.

A meeting is convened.

In light of the man being white and having only wounded a black cop, all charges associated with attempting to bomb headstart are declared void, whereupon the shooter is released without further questioning.

The end.

Yep, seems plausible.

[Man from Pickens]

26. Stunning, ain't it?

The similarities to how black victims of police murders get crucified by right-wingers are shocking. Blow all the dog whistles (in this case, "white", "survivalist", and "guns&quot and boom, innocent man is now someone who should have been murdered. Can't believe I'm seeing this from Democrats, who should know better.

[Bjorn Against]

28. Who said anyone should be murdered?

I want you to quote someone in this thread who said that someone should be murdered. Either provide a quote or stop making ridiculous charges.

[Man from Pickens]

29. The charge isn't ridiculous at all

There's absolutely no reason to complain that he didn't get killed unless you wanted him killed. None. Zero. Don't even pretend otherwise, you only further degrade yourself and insult the rest of us.

[Bjorn Against]

30. Who complained that he did not get killed?

I know I certainly never said he should have been killed.

Either provide a quote of someone saying this guy should have been killed or stop lying.

[Hoyt]

31. Another fine right wing gun enthusiast, and "civil rights activist."

These folks represent a threat to our society.

[pocoloco]

34. You gonna bust his door down??

Just checking!

[Hoyt]

36. That's why they don't knock with terrorists like that.

[secondvariety]

37. Love the black nail polish

and the Yin and Yang belt buckle. What an ass...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

45. Oh look, it's Dick Nukem.

[Blue_Tires]

50. It would be nice if we ever got that much leeway...

[Enthusiast]

52. That seems fair.

[ChosenUnWisely]

53. Sweet I can now shoot Cops of Color and get a way with it!

Damn White Privilege is Great!

[NutmegYankee]

54. The headline to this story is sensationalized.

The man in the house didn't make the bomb threat. The 5 officers smashed into the home without a warrant (felony home invasion) and one got shot by the homeowner defending his family.

Sure, the police could charge him with attempted murder of a police officer, but then that leads to the very uncomfortable question of why 5 officers violently entered a home without a warrant. While it is obvious that being white saved the homeowner's life, as a black man would have been executed by police, the homeowner is completely innocent in this case.

[Democat]

57. The headline is intended to anger people

And to encourage poor and middle class people to keep fighting against each other.