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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDespite Obamacare’s unpopularity, health care may still be winning issue for Dems
By Greg Sargent
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Theres no denying that public opinion did not turn around on health reform as many of us predicted it would. But Clifford Young, the managing director for Ipsos polling, has an interesting new piece up that argues that the questions surrounding public opinion on health refom are much more complicated than they first appear.
Young points to Ipsos numbers that find the individual provisions in the law still remain overwhelmingly popular. The upshot is that nine of the bills major provisions from the ban on discrimination against people with preexisting conditions, to the creation of insurance exchanges, to the extension of insurance to young adults up to the age of 26 are supported by anywhere from 67 percent to 87 percent of Americans.
The individual mandate, meanwhile, is what remains overwhelmingly unpopular, with only 35 percent supporting it. And a majority of Americans oppose the overall bill, too, though many oppose it because it didnt go far enough. How to make sense of all this? Young concludes:
...all reform initiatives are ultimately defined by their weakest link. Here we had a large omnibus bill which included multiple items. For the most part, Americans support the items in the bill and only significantly oppose the individual mandate. However, this one part of the bill has come to define its entirety.
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Mitt Romney has vowed to repeal all of Obamacare on day one of his presidency, meaning hed repeal all of the bills overwhelmingly popular provisions, too. Whatever the political ramifications of the possibility that the Supreme Court will strike down the law, at some point the presidential campaign will have to turn to the topic of what Romney would replace all of these popular provisions with, and as weve seen, hes struggled mightily to answer that question in a coherent way in the past.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/despite-obamacares-unpopularity-health-care-may-still-be-winning-issue-for-dems/2012/04/26/gIQAlgbBjT_blog.html
This has been the case all along, and similar to Kaiser's numbers.
The case Sargent makes is supported by the fact that two Blue Dogs who opposed the health care law lost their primaries this week.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002607114
ananda
(28,859 posts)The healthcare law is clearly MORE popular than not.
The media sensationalizes and legitimizes anything the fringe right says or does.
Honest and truthful reporting would tell us that people want and need affordable healthcare.
orwell
(7,771 posts)...the popular provisions can not be implemented without the individual mandate.
It's like asking people if they would like to have ice cream without eating the liver and onions.
The larger problem is that most do not delve into the details of complex issues. It is the mark of a polarized society with a growing case of ADHD. The complexity of today's world does not lead to facile answers. That is why the marketing consultants skillfully frame issues with emotional triggers than appeals to logical reasoning, letting facts inform debate instead of passions.
As a brief aside...thanks for all you do here ProSense. I'm glad you are part of this community.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)the "mandate".
Health Care is officially 100% off the table for this election season.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)He can run, but he can't hide.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)They do not like the Romney part (the mandate).
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)All the for profit "health" insurance lobbyists with their suitcases of cash for future Congresses and Administrations not to mention Citizens United steroid drinking commercial buyers from that industry are hiding inside, waiting to influence future elections and law diminishing or eliminating the good parts of the ACA, while increasing the punitive penalty measures, with the new found wealth from their captured clientele.
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)We're not as dumb as the political class wishes we were. Everyone knows the mandate will stick while the few positive provisions are rolled back, piece by piece.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"We're not as dumb as the political class wishes we were. Everyone knows the mandate will stick while the few positive provisions are rolled back, piece by piece."
...doubt the positive provisions (the rest of the bill) are going to be rolled back, that is unless Republicans take over the Government. In that case, the mandate will be the least of our worries.
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The underlying idea is to wipe out one of the main fiscal tent poles of the existing health care system, and use the resulting revenues to finance billions of dollars in subsidies to buy insurance on the existing private market. The result, according to experts, would likely be a significant increase in the number of uninsured Americans, in an economy where, for better or worse, employers would likely no longer provide their workers with health care coverage.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/romney-hints-at-radical-health-care-reform-plan-to-replace-obamacare.php
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)would prefer to see in power, Republicans or Democrats?
Bandit
(21,475 posts)Who would have thunk it?