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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:07 PM Apr 2012

Despite Obamacare’s unpopularity, health care may still be winning issue for Dems

Despite Obamacare’s unpopularity, health care may still be winning issue for Dems

By Greg Sargent

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There’s no denying that public opinion did not turn around on health reform as many of us predicted it would. But Clifford Young, the managing director for Ipsos polling, has an interesting new piece up that argues that the questions surrounding public opinion on health refom are much more complicated than they first appear.

Young points to Ipsos numbers that find the individual provisions in the law still remain overwhelmingly popular. The upshot is that nine of the bill’s major provisions — from the ban on discrimination against people with preexisting conditions, to the creation of insurance exchanges, to the extension of insurance to young adults up to the age of 26 — are supported by anywhere from 67 percent to 87 percent of Americans.

The individual mandate, meanwhile, is what remains overwhelmingly unpopular, with only 35 percent supporting it. And a majority of Americans oppose the overall bill, too, though many oppose it because it didn’t go far enough. How to make sense of all this? Young concludes:

On fuzzy issues like healthcare reform, we may not be measuring what we actually think we are measuring...when it comes to the healthcare reform, the devil truly is in the detail.

...all reform initiatives are ultimately defined by their weakest link. Here we had a large omnibus bill which included multiple items. For the most part, Americans support the items in the bill and only significantly oppose the individual mandate. However, this one part of the bill has come to define its entirety.

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Mitt Romney has vowed to repeal all of Obamacare “on day one” of his presidency, meaning he’d repeal all of the bill’s overwhelmingly popular provisions, too. Whatever the political ramifications of the possibility that the Supreme Court will strike down the law, at some point the presidential campaign will have to turn to the topic of what Romney would replace all of these popular provisions with, and as we’ve seen, he’s struggled mightily to answer that question in a coherent way in the past.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/despite-obamacares-unpopularity-health-care-may-still-be-winning-issue-for-dems/2012/04/26/gIQAlgbBjT_blog.html




This has been the case all along, and similar to Kaiser's numbers.



The case Sargent makes is supported by the fact that two Blue Dogs who opposed the health care law lost their primaries this week.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002607114

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Despite Obamacare’s unpopularity, health care may still be winning issue for Dems (Original Post) ProSense Apr 2012 OP
What idiotic bad logic reporting! ananda Apr 2012 #1
The way the bill is structured... orwell Apr 2012 #2
Thanks. n//t ProSense Apr 2012 #4
that's why this is brilliant - the only part of the bill they don't like was Romney's idea.... cbdo2007 Apr 2012 #3
Oh yeah. ProSense Apr 2012 #5
The people like the Obama ideas which were integrated into healthcare reform. Dawson Leery Apr 2012 #6
The mandate turns an otherwise good policy and nice political trophy into a Trojan Horse. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #7
Precisely why it's so hated. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #8
Seriously ProSense Apr 2012 #9
Whom do you believe the for profit "health" insurance corporations Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #10
The Only major Republican aspect of the entire bill and it is overwhelmingly unpopular. Bandit Apr 2012 #11

ananda

(28,859 posts)
1. What idiotic bad logic reporting!
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:12 PM
Apr 2012

The healthcare law is clearly MORE popular than not.

The media sensationalizes and legitimizes anything the fringe right says or does.

Honest and truthful reporting would tell us that people want and need affordable healthcare.

orwell

(7,771 posts)
2. The way the bill is structured...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:17 PM
Apr 2012

...the popular provisions can not be implemented without the individual mandate.

It's like asking people if they would like to have ice cream without eating the liver and onions.

The larger problem is that most do not delve into the details of complex issues. It is the mark of a polarized society with a growing case of ADHD. The complexity of today's world does not lead to facile answers. That is why the marketing consultants skillfully frame issues with emotional triggers than appeals to logical reasoning, letting facts inform debate instead of passions.


As a brief aside...thanks for all you do here ProSense. I'm glad you are part of this community.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
3. that's why this is brilliant - the only part of the bill they don't like was Romney's idea....
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:25 PM
Apr 2012

the "mandate".

Health Care is officially 100% off the table for this election season.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
6. The people like the Obama ideas which were integrated into healthcare reform.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:58 PM
Apr 2012

They do not like the Romney part (the mandate).

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
7. The mandate turns an otherwise good policy and nice political trophy into a Trojan Horse.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:14 PM
Apr 2012

All the for profit "health" insurance lobbyists with their suitcases of cash for future Congresses and Administrations not to mention Citizens United steroid drinking commercial buyers from that industry are hiding inside, waiting to influence future elections and law diminishing or eliminating the good parts of the ACA, while increasing the punitive penalty measures, with the new found wealth from their captured clientele.

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
8. Precisely why it's so hated.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:44 PM
Apr 2012

We're not as dumb as the political class wishes we were. Everyone knows the mandate will stick while the few positive provisions are rolled back, piece by piece.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
9. Seriously
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:56 PM
Apr 2012

"We're not as dumb as the political class wishes we were. Everyone knows the mandate will stick while the few positive provisions are rolled back, piece by piece."

...doubt the positive provisions (the rest of the bill) are going to be rolled back, that is unless Republicans take over the Government. In that case, the mandate will be the least of our worries.

Romney Hints At Radical Health Care Reform Plan To Replace ‘Obamacare’

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The underlying idea is to wipe out one of the main fiscal tent poles of the existing health care system, and use the resulting revenues to finance billions of dollars in subsidies to buy insurance on the existing private market. The result, according to experts, would likely be a significant increase in the number of uninsured Americans, in an economy where, for better or worse, employers would likely no longer provide their workers with health care coverage.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/romney-hints-at-radical-health-care-reform-plan-to-replace-obamacare.php


Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
10. Whom do you believe the for profit "health" insurance corporations
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 03:38 PM
Apr 2012

would prefer to see in power, Republicans or Democrats?

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
11. The Only major Republican aspect of the entire bill and it is overwhelmingly unpopular.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 04:12 PM
Apr 2012

Who would have thunk it?

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