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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:27 PM Feb 2015

Kids misbehaving? Georgia barber will give them the "grown-up kids special"

Barber gives embarrassing haircuts to misbehaving kids

"So you wana act grown...well now you can look grown too". The grown-up kids special by: @rusty_fred GOT TO REACH EM SOMEHOW....






A barbershop in Georgia has come up with a creative way to encourage good behavior - an "old man" haircut.

A few times a week, the shop offers a free "Benjamin Button Special" haircut to kids who are acting up.

The cut resembles the hairstyle you might see on a senior citizen, with a balding top, and a little bit of hair on the sides.

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/Georgia-Barber-Offers-Old-Man-Haircuts-for-Naughty-Kids-290828331.html


A Georgia barber is offering a unique service to help misbehaving kids clean up their act.

Russell Frederick is the co-owner of A-1 Kutz Salon in Snellville.

He said he had to start disciplining his child when he was acting up and getting bad grades.

“I shaved his head bald,” Frederick said. “I told him that next time, I would do that particular cut.”

He said his tactic was surprisingly effective.
- See more at: http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/national/local-barber-gives-embarrassing-haircuts-misbehavi/nj4hc/?ref=cbTopWidget#sthash.HbyOXSlx.dpuf

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Kids misbehaving? Georgia barber will give them the "grown-up kids special" (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 OP
I really think this is a mistake. CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2015 #1
yes. Internet is criticizing this parenting tactic Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #3
agreed, shaming a child into behaving is not effective Terra Alta Feb 2015 #5
Reminds me of when teachers made a kid sit in front of the class Cleita Feb 2015 #7
Pretty damn sick, if ya ask me. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #2
Children are one thing... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #9
How much experience do you have with adult criminals? Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #13
Not much, fortunately. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #14
I spent more than 20 years as a criminal forensic psychologist. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #21
Really? That's very interesting. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #35
I don't watch much TV of any kind, actually. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #36
Food for thought. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #38
not only is it embarrassing Terra Alta Feb 2015 #4
I absolutely agree. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #37
Humiliation is rarely a strong motivator; more often, it simply creates resentment. Brickbat Feb 2015 #6
Making a child apoligize for a wrong committed against another notadmblnd Feb 2015 #8
Apologies do not correct misbehavior. Brickbat Feb 2015 #15
I didn't ask you that. notadmblnd Feb 2015 #17
Oh, you want an answer about your mom's hypothetical actions? Brickbat Feb 2015 #18
trouble reading what I wrote? notadmblnd Feb 2015 #19
Trouble's all yours, bud. Brickbat Feb 2015 #20
Parents who use belts are abusive kcr Feb 2015 #22
yeah, a couple of people telling me what abusive is notadmblnd Feb 2015 #23
Are belts and bad haircuts the only solution? kcr Feb 2015 #24
I never claimed belts and bad haircuts were appropriate. I only asked what is? notadmblnd Feb 2015 #26
Probably because the question doesn't make sense kcr Feb 2015 #27
no, your logic doesn't make sense notadmblnd Feb 2015 #29
I mus have missed it beause I odn't see where you explained it kcr Feb 2015 #30
you're right. I didn't explain. I started to, then deleted it. I apologize for that. notadmblnd Feb 2015 #32
Is there an answer other than beatings that would satisfy? Because that was a perfectly good answer. kcr Feb 2015 #33
there's lots of them. I managed to raise mine without hitting/beating/abusing notadmblnd Feb 2015 #34
I think that barber enjoys punishing kids. LuvNewcastle Feb 2015 #10
Oh ffs, cwydro Feb 2015 #11
Glad to see the responses to this. woo me with science Feb 2015 #12
It's either going to humiliate kids, LWolf Feb 2015 #16
Those kids are paying taxes. AngryAmish Feb 2015 #25
not cool blogslut Feb 2015 #28
The George Jefferson is not appropriate Tom Ripley Feb 2015 #31

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,615 posts)
1. I really think this is a mistake.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:31 PM
Feb 2015

Yeah, it'll work in the short term, but at what cost?

It's better than spanking, but like that, it's abusive, IMHO.

There has to be a better way to reach these children.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
3. yes. Internet is criticizing this parenting tactic
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:34 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/readers-react-barbers-haircut-discipline-just-bein/nj4mg/

Readers react to barber's haircut discipline: 'Just being a bully'

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Fredrick told the Washington Post that the "special" was designed as a response to scrutiny about corporal punishment. “When you go to discipline kids these days, they can’t necessarily use physical punishment they way parents did in the past, but they have to do something," he said. "If you don’t, and your kid ends up doing something crazy, everyone is going to say the problems started at home.”

But a psychotherapist told the Post that "lots of research that supports the fact that when a child is blamed or shamed it triggers their nervous system, and when the nervous system is shut down, it is directly connected to the brain."

Days after posting the original image of the haircut, Fredrick posted an update: "The pic went so crazy over the net that I had to fix it today." The good news, he wrote, is that the child didn't want any more problems.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
5. agreed, shaming a child into behaving is not effective
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:38 PM
Feb 2015

and can, in fact, cause a lot of psychological harm in the long run. This is wrong on so many levels.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. Reminds me of when teachers made a kid sit in front of the class
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:55 PM
Feb 2015

with gum stuck on his nose for chewing gum in class so the other kids can laugh at him. I found this tactic abusive as well.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
2. Pretty damn sick, if ya ask me.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:33 PM
Feb 2015

Right up there in a league with Arpaio's pink underwear.

Often enough, shame is one of the driving forces in misbehavior. Piling on more shame is not helpful.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
9. Children are one thing...
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:07 PM
Feb 2015

but I have no problem at all with adults in jail suffering the "embarrassment" of pink underwear.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
21. I spent more than 20 years as a criminal forensic psychologist.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:01 AM
Feb 2015

I estimate that I have done 2500 in-depth psychological evaluations of criminals. You get to see some patterns. The whole shame thing is a big part of what is going on here.

Do you understand the distinction between shame & guilt?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
35. Really? That's very interesting.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 08:39 PM
Feb 2015

I'm very interested in forensic psychology, but I've only had the basic psychology courses. I would imagine you have some interesting stories to tell. Do you watch any of the television shows based on forensic psychology (Criminal Minds, etc.), or all they all just way off base?

Yes, I understand the distinction between shame and guilt.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
36. I don't watch much TV of any kind, actually.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 09:13 PM
Feb 2015

And crime shows would probably be on the bottom of my list.

My essential point about shame v. guilt is that shame attaches to the person (I'm worthless), while guilt attaches to the act (I did a bad thing). It is quite common for "habitual criminals" to have internalized the messages of shame--that they are worthless, that they are incapable of doing better--and these shame messages convince the person they can't change, that they aren't worth trying to salvage, etc. It's essentially a form of learned helplessness--helplessness to dhange their lives.

I have had muggers tell me in all seriousness that the crime wasn't their fault--"What did she expect to happen if she was gonna walk alone after dark in that district?" The fault is the victim's because the criminal knows deep inside that he is such a worthless piece of humanity that nobody could expect him to avoid committing the crime. He's just a shark, doing what sharks do, and she was an idiot to be in shark-infested waters.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
4. not only is it embarrassing
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:37 PM
Feb 2015

but it opens the kids up to being teased and bullied by classmates. I think this will do far more damage than good. It is never good to shame a child into behaving.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
8. Making a child apoligize for a wrong committed against another
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:00 PM
Feb 2015

can be embarrassing and humiliating too. As a child- I think I would have rather had the belt than to have to look someone in the eye and tell them I was sorry. Would my mother have been considered abusive? What in your opinion would be an appropriate way to correct a child's misbehavior?

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
15. Apologies do not correct misbehavior.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 08:52 AM
Feb 2015

If you are looking to correct misbehavior, you redirect, model, remove what's being broken, express displeasure productively, remove privileges, and so on, depending on the child's age and the circumstances. If you are looking to punish without learning, then go for humiliation. I've heard people say they preferred getting beaten for punishment when they were younger, because when it was over, it was over. Which also goes to show it wasn't effective.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
18. Oh, you want an answer about your mom's hypothetical actions?
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 09:07 AM
Feb 2015

Yes, I would have considered it abusive if she hit you.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
19. trouble reading what I wrote?
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 09:15 AM
Feb 2015

I asked what do you think is an appropriate method of correcting mis behaving children and whether or not my mother was abusive for punishing us by making us apologize. I did not claim that making a child apologize was an effective method of correcting misbehavior, which is the information that you offered up to me instead.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
20. Trouble's all yours, bud.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 09:19 AM
Feb 2015

I gave a list of what I believe are appropriate methods of correcting the behavior of misbehaving children. Not knowing how your mother "made you" apologize, I can't offer an opinion on it. I would not consider simply asking, in a neutral tone, for you to say "I'm sorry" to someone else abusive.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
22. Parents who use belts are abusive
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 03:28 PM
Feb 2015

As are the parents who think cutting their kids hair to make them look like old people to shame them.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
23. yeah, a couple of people telling me what abusive is
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 04:39 PM
Feb 2015

However, I'm not asking that. What I'm trying to get answered- is what the poster feels is the appropriate actions that one can take when correcting unwanted behavior from a child?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
26. I never claimed belts and bad haircuts were appropriate. I only asked what is?
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 04:51 PM
Feb 2015

I made no statement as to what I feel is appropriate or not. I
I've simply asked what is, and so far, it hasn't been answered.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
27. Probably because the question doesn't make sense
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 04:57 PM
Feb 2015

Why would someone ask that question unless they thought those were the only solutions or they somehow really only knew of those two solutions and were genuinely asking for more information. The latter isn't very likely, so you'll probably get ignored.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
29. no, your logic doesn't make sense
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 05:12 PM
Feb 2015

My question does not imply that I agree with the method used in the article. No way, no how. I explained why I asked the question, if you think I'm lying about why I asked the question- then so be it.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
30. I mus have missed it beause I odn't see where you explained it
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 05:13 PM
Feb 2015

You may also want to go back and reread the discussion because at least one poster has answered.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
32. you're right. I didn't explain. I started to, then deleted it. I apologize for that.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 05:36 PM
Feb 2015

And as for the one who did answer, it was fairly generic and other than taking away privleges- offered no specific actions one could take that the poster would feel was appropriate. "Express displeasure productively", what is that? More specifically exactly how is that effective? "Remove whats being broken", how is that effective discipline? It's simply removing an object, it's not discipline.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
33. Is there an answer other than beatings that would satisfy? Because that was a perfectly good answer.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 05:42 PM
Feb 2015

LuvNewcastle

(16,845 posts)
10. I think that barber enjoys punishing kids.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:13 PM
Feb 2015

Anybody who would post pictures on the internet saying, 'come to my shop and I'll punish your kids for you' is someone I would steer clear of.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
11. Oh ffs,
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:41 PM
Feb 2015

hair grows out.

You should have seen the haircut I gave myself at 6. My mom was so angry at me that she would not take me to have it fixed (not that it could have been lol). We still have pictures of the horror.

I survived. I still love my mom. It's a huge joke and the damn pictures are still in the family album!! Gah!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
12. Glad to see the responses to this.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:46 PM
Feb 2015

We marinate in propaganda and a culture that encourages punitive, retaliatory, and hateful solutions.

We need to do everything possible to grow a counter-movement that celebrates compassion and teaching, instead.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
16. It's either going to humiliate kids,
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 08:57 AM
Feb 2015

which isn't an acceptable method of discipline, or it's going to backfire.

Hopefully, none of my students will see this. I shudder to think of the "Benjamin Button" cut becoming the newest hair fad. Imagine looking across a classroom full of them.

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