Elizabeth Warren gets my vote for 2016

[Hutzpa]

Whose with me?

Kick and rec if you're down with Lizzy Warren.

[NYC_SKP]

1. K/R!

I'm down with Warren, no doubt, my top pick!

[DJ13]

2. K&R

[msanthrope]

3. She's already told the FEC she isn't running. I believe a woman when she says "no." nt

[Hutzpa]

6. I remember Obama saying he was not running

for a very long time until fund raising changed his mind.

A little push might just do the trick.

[Agschmid]

7. At this same point in the cycle he was running.

The longer they wait the harder it is (same for Mrs. Clinton).

[msanthrope]

9. Did his lawyers send the FEC notification? Warren's lawyers did. nt

[Hutzpa]

18. Has Hillary's Lawyers send an FEC notification?

because I have not seen it anywhere that she has.

[stevenleser]

27. No, because Hillary is running. Warren sent one that says she is NOT running. nt

[msanthrope]

33. She has not sent a denial. Warren has. nt

[sheshe2]

46. Oh yes!

I believe a woman when she says "no."

[JDPriestly]

61. I think that Hillary will have a big problem with a lot of the Democrats that usually worik hard

for Democratic candidates if she runs and Warren does not.

In spite of her current high statistics, I do not think that Hillary is a good candidate or would be a good president.

If you read Warren's book, you realize that she is the reluctant politician. She changes her mind about taking on responsibility.

[sheshe2]

62. She is my Senator.

I have met her. I take her at her word.

[JDPriestly]

64. Then please explain to my why Goldman Sachs paid her $400,000 to speak to them.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-goldman-sachs-speeches-2013-10

Is she such an expert on finance that they pay that much for her wisdom?

I don't think so. I think she is bought and sold. I'm sorry if she is your senator, but I do not trust her. It would take a person earning $7.50 and our about 25 years to earn $400,000. Hillary earns it for a couple of speeches. Accepting that kind of money from Goldman Sachs for speeches makes her suspect to me.

[sheshe2]

65. Woopsie on you.

Clinton was never my Senator. My Senator is Elizabeth Warren, she was who I was speaking about.

You commented on my post to msanthrope where she said...

msanthrope
3. She's already told the FEC she isn't running. I believe a woman when she says "no." nt

I haven't

My response to msanthrope ....

Oh yes!

I believe a woman when she says "no."

I do believe you should read a thread before jumping down my throat. Thank you so very much.

[JDPriestly]

66. If you are not supporting Elizabeth Warren for president, who are you supporting?

I, perhaps unfairly (and if so, I apologize for that) assumed you were talking about supporting Hillary. If you are, then my question stands, why do you think Goldman Sachs would pay Hillary $400,000, in other words, 25 years worth of income that would be paid to a person working 40 hours per week, 52 weeks a year for a couple of speeches?

I'm curious why Hillary supporters think Goldman Sachs did that.

If you are not a Hillary supporter, I apologize.

But I am trying to understand how Hillary supporters see her relationship with Wall Street firms such as Goldman Sachs.

I am sorry if I have offended you. I'm asking this question of a lot of people because I can't think of any answer other than a sort of legal form of bribery and corruption, a purchase of influence and a sort of flattery.

[sheshe2]

70. First JD, thank you for your apology.

Many here would not bother with one.

Second, Hillary was never my first choice for 2008. I looked at many of the candidates that were running and listened to what they had to say. From very early on Obama was my only choice.

As for Warren, I have met that dynamic woman. She is where she wants to be, I wish people would understand that. Our brilliant Senior Senator from MA, she is going to rock this Senate seat, just like Teddy Kennedy did. She is sharp and focused on her passion to protect each and everyone of from the blight of the predators that want to destroy the middle class. She has focus here and she intends to keep that.

As for who I will support? I will let you know when they throw their hats in. So far no one is running. To be clear though, whoever wins the general election will have my support. I will be damned if we see another R in the White House in 2016. I won't sit home and not vote.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

4. That's two votes and counting.

[Agschmid]

5. No, not at this time.

[Hutzpa]

8. Shouldn't you be looking for your lost "T"

[Agschmid]

10. I'm sure my Senator Elizabeth Warren can help me with that.

[Hutzpa]

15. She'll get you a cuppa tea specially brewed for Agschmid.

[sheshe2]

49. You are from MA?

Me too Agschmid.

[MohRokTah]

11. I would be if she was going to run.

But she ain't so I'm not.

[Agschmid]

12. ^ This.

[AtomicKitten]

13. k&r

[VanillaRhapsody]

14. ***NewsFlash***

Elizabeth Warren isn't interested in what YOU want....she doesn't want to run for President. And I bet you dollars to donuts she endorses Hillary Clinton!

[Dragonfli]

17. Then she and those of us that support her will pose no threat to her coronation

So why do you even care enough to jump in here? Feeling a bit insecure?

[VanillaRhapsody]

19. She will endorse her...wanna bet?

How secure do YOU feel?

[Dragonfli]

21. I am not worried in the least, but why do you care so much if others want her to run?

Really, it makes no sense, if I thought Hillary wasn't going to run, I wouldn't worry about her or her supporters at all, let alone crash their threads for no apparent reason whatsoever.

[VanillaRhapsody]

24. I enjoy it....

again...do you want to bet that Warren will endorse Hillary Clinton?

And if she does....wouldn't that make her a "traitor" to you and your opposition to her "coronation"?

[djean111]

29. Oh, grow up. "Traitor"?

Tell you one thing - so far, I do not like Hillary, and some of her fans seem very rude and unpleasant. Not a club I wish to join. So I won't.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. I'm grown....I am not the one demanding someone run for President....

who has verbally said repeatedly that she is NOT interested. and I think THAT's rude!

So do you think she will endorse Hillary Clinton?

[djean111]

34. I don't really care who she endorses. I make up my own mind.

At this point in time, I am actually in the anyone but Hillary camp.
'night.

[Agschmid]

38. Which seems just as informed...

Ugh...

[Agschmid]

37. I think she will...

And I think it will blow some people's minds when she does.

[djean111]

41. Why all the hopeful hyperbole from the Hillary camp?

Blow people's minds, drive them insane, hair on fire - that's just wishful thinking.
When I consider what I have heard about the Clintons' "enemy list", makes me more certain - not a club I want to join. Very calm about that.

[Agschmid]

42. I'm not on the Hillary camp. It's your assumption I am...

The candidate I would prefer to see run likely won't either and it sucks.

But at least I'm not berating others, and placing them into "camps".

[Dragonfli]

31. Not really, I don't think the way you do. She can endorse whomever she wants to

She has not betrayed me with votes in her tenure in congress, if she mistakenly believes Hillary won't either as President why would I expect her to act as if she understood Hillary's rich friend priorities and refuse her endorsement?

I do think she is smarter than that and so expect such an endorsement to come only if Hillary is the nominee and her endorsement were in the General against the Republican..

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. hahahahahaha....but YOU betray her....by continuously haranguing this woman....

who has REPEATEDLY said....she is NOT running!

So do you want to bet on it?

I might remind you....she already signed the Letter of the Ladies of the Senate!

[Dragonfli]

40. You do know that drafting politicians is a very old custom

It is also a sign of respect for the person's abilities not an insult or some sort or "betrayal", very strange that you should think that.

Your mind appears to work in a very odd fashion, I find many of your thoughts quite bizarre and your tone nearly always needlessly confrontational.

[JDPriestly]

63. I hope that Hillary does not run.

I think she has a lot of personal problems that will come up in the campaign.

Her son-in-law is one. Her son-in-law's father is another. Her husband's friends is a third. The horrible legislation that her husband signed while president is the big one.

Elizabeth Warren has none of those negatives. Her personality is warm and loving. She is the perfect candidate.

If she doesn't run, I will back and work for Bernie Sanders.

We have to do something about the billionaire and millionaire tax cheats. We have to do something about the disparity in wealth.

Hillary doesn't understand those problems.

And this is Hillary's biggest problem:


Finance More: Goldman Sachs Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton Raked In Around $400,000 Speaking At Goldman Sachs

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-goldman-sachs-speeches-2013-10

Why did Goldman Sachs pay Hillary $400,000 to speak to them?

What does she know about finance that would be worth $400,000 to them?

$400,000 is an incredible amount of money.

If you earn $7.50 per hour, it would take you over 53,333 hours to earn $400,000. That's more than 1,333 40-hour weeks or about 25 years.

It would take a minimum wage worker at least 25 years to earn $400,000. I'm being generous in my calculations, giving Hillary the benefit of the doubt.

What is Goldman Sachs paying Hillary Clinton that kind of money for? Her expertise? Her charm? Her good looks? I think we all know what she has that is worth that much to them, and it is none of the above.

Enough of the sold-out, bought-off politicians.

[Agschmid]

20. Why are we fighting over this????

We didn't post the OP, we haven't said multiple times we aren't running. Pretty sure we are all on the same team (mostly).

And don't calling me a Hilbot I'm an O'Malley guy except as of now he ain't running either...

In fact no one is!

[Dragonfli]

22. I don't know who you are fighting with, seriously, what are you talking about?

Did someone else call you names and you are taking it out on me?

Since you believe ER won't run, why even post in this thread at all? If you are right, we would then be no threat to her or Goldman Sachs.

[Agschmid]

23. Why wouldn't I post in a thread in GD...?

[Dragonfli]

25. On a subject YOU believe is moot it just seems weird /nt

[Agschmid]

26. I didn't say it was moot.

I just said at this time I don't support her potential run, while it might not be a bad thing for her to do I don't plan to support it.

[Dragonfli]

16. k&r

[eridani]

28. Lizzy Warren had the facts

That gave big bankers heart attacks.
When they saw what she had done
Everyone said "Run, Liz, run!"

[Jim Lane]

52. Good poem! You've inspired me to add an alternative version.

Lizzy Warren had the facts
That gave big bankers heart attacks.
When they saw what she had done
Goldman Sachs said "Run, Hill, run!"

[Godhumor]

35. I find the draft Liz movement kind of creepy, to be honest

I love her work and hope to vote for her someday, but I would say she has made it emphatically clear that this is not the election to do so.

[one_voice]

36. I love Elizabeth Warren..

but I don't think she's going to run. I love Bernie Sanders too. Don't think he's running either. Guess I'll just wait and see who is.

[Agschmid]

39. So far... no one. Kind of odd right?

[Godhumor]

43. Everyone is waiting for Clinton, I think

No one wants to challenge her if she does run, so no one will announce until she announces one way or another. To be frank, it seems clear she will have an uncontested primary if she does go for it.

[Agschmid]

44. We just might have to wait for a bit to find out...

[Jim Lane]

55. I think an uncontested primary is VERY unlikely.

There is, however, a real chance that it will be "contested" only in the way 2000 was. Someone (Bill Bradley) did come forward to run against the obvious party establishment candidate (Al Gore), but the establishment candidate didn't lose a single primary and was never seriously threatened.

[one_voice]

45. Yes..I think so. Odd on both...

sides. I mean there's all kinds of speculation but I would think we'd have a real good feel for at least one or two on each side. Right? Or maybe it's too early and I'm bored...lol

[Agnosticsherbet]

51. Martin O'Malley and Jim Webb have established exploratory committees.

Clinton has hired Robby Mook, Joel Benenson (polster) , John Podesta, Jim Messina (worked for Obama in 2008) is running her Superpac, Mandy Grunwald (advisor to Warren and made commercials for Warren) now works for Clinton, as does Jim Margolis, Jennifer Palmieri, and Dan Pfeiffer. If Clinton isn't running, she is spending a lot of money on people who run campaign's for no reason at all.

[Jim Lane]

53. I agree, but with one clarification re Mandy Grunwald.

You write that "Mandy Grunwald (advisor to Warren and made commercials for Warren) now works for Clinton...."

Grunwald worked for Bill Clinton in his 1992 presidential campaign, was an advisor to Hillary when Hillary was FLOTUS, and worked on Hillary's 2008 presidential campaign. Thereafter, yes, she did some work for Warren.

What you write is accurate but could give the impression that Grunwald is a Warren person who's now decided to help Hillary. She's actually a Clinton person who, in 2012, with no Clinton campaign afoot, decided to help Warren (as well as Tammy Baldwin).

BTW, have all the people you name been hired specifically by Clinton? I know there are some organizations operating as sort of shadow Clinton campaigns, that Clinton herself doesn't directly control. I think it highly likely that Clinton will run but she preserves at least a little distance from the race by having some of the preparatory work done by these other entities.

[Agnosticsherbet]

56. From what I've read, they are joining Clinton.

I don't know who signs their paychecks.

But Clinton is putting together a massive team. I don't think it is to play bridge.

You are correct about Mandy Grumwald. Thanks for the correction.

[Jamaal510]

47. Bernie Sanders

would be a better bet for me. He's at least entertaining the thought of a run, and might be even closer to my economic stances than EW. As far as their social views go, however, I haven't seen as much about either of them.

[madville]

57. He's already backing out

His comments from a day or so ago about not being able to raise the money necessary and it being a waste of time without the money are a pretty good indication he's not going to run.

[Jamaal510]

58. Damn...

well he's pretty effective where he is, anyway. All of the other would-be Dem candidates (from Clinton to Biden) seem good overall, and I hope there is a little bit of variety to choose from in the primaries and that turnout is not as low as it typically is during primaries.

[Half-Century Man]

48. Currently, She's my number 1 pick

The election is still a long way away. As of this moment she's not planning on running.

I am just hopeful.

[Jim Lane]

54. Thank you. This is where I am, too. (n/t)

[sabrina 1]

50. Anything can happen, if she runs, I would support her in a hearbeat.

[JDPriestly]

59. K&R. If she won't run, I''ll be working for Bernie Sanders.

I don't trust any of the rest of them.

[RiverLover]

67. Me too, exactly. nt

[madville]

60. This is her only chance if she's going to do it

She's only a year or so younger than Hillary so in 4 or 8 years the opportunity will have passed.

[NuttyFluffers]

68. she's swell.

like rice krispie treats!

[brooklynite]

69. Who's with you? Not, apparently, Elizabeth Warren.